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  • "$100 is a lot of money for a single page."

    Pretty awesome read.
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    I think artists should charge by the stroke (each line drawn ) let's say something like 25 cents per stroke, we can start our own stroke based wage system and send all these cheap [email protected]#$*s to hell, too crazy? also this would create more jobs, 'cause then you would need somebody to count each stroke.
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    • #3
      Its funny tbh,

      Alot of pro's don't get 100 a page. More like 40-60. And you get a week to finish those pages.
      The it took me days to draw this page, isnt a valid argument.

      The real money come from selling the pages off after they are used ^_^ if you have fans.
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      • #4
        If youre fast, it aint that cheap. If youre slow, then it is cheap.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Archerion View Post
          Alot of pro's don't get 100 a page. More like 40-60. And you get a week to finish those pages.
          The it took me days to draw this page, isnt a valid argument.
          What pros are you talking about here?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Orphangrinder View Post
            What pros are you talking about here?
            He might be talking about the creators who work with the smaller publishers.

            Originally posted by Archerion View Post
            Its funny tbh,

            Alot of pro's don't get 100 a page. More like 40-60. And you get a week to finish those pages.
            The it took me days to draw this page, isnt a valid argument.

            The real money come from selling the pages off after they are used ^_^ if you have fans.
            The pro's who work for DC, Marvel, Dark horse and IDW make more than 100.
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            • #7
              Yeah pros generally make over 100.

              DC has that pay scale thing, and I think it starts at 250 a page, but I could be wrong
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              • #8
                charging 100 page is very reasonable

                Originally posted by Huerta View Post
                He might be talking about the creators who work with the smaller publishers.

                The pro's who work for DC, Marvel, Dark horse and IDW make more than 100.
                Whatever the publisher it should be understood 100.00 for a days work is not really that much money. A lot of artists who charge 100.00 plus for their work do work for free doing creator-owned comics on the side. Its more than fair to pay what these artists are asking and at the end of the day the onus is not on the artist to charge a fair rate, the onus is on the producer to decide wether based on the artists portfolio that rate is fair. That is what come with being a producer you are essentially assuming the risk and investing in someone that it is understood you have already evaluated based on the art they show you. A lot of the smaller companies pay 60 and up, and if you are a hot seller they pay 100 and up, the top four pay more than this. I would say 60 for a new guy who has chops is totally reasonable. And if someone can not pony up 60.00 for a days work then that person should re evaluate the viability of what they are trying to do.

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                • #9
                  This whole debate is kind of crazy. To me there is no debate here. 100.00 for a days work in 2013 is an awesome deal. Like Jamal says ( and Im glad someone with indisputable credibility had the guts to say this) if you want pro work pay a competitive rate. As far as being entitled that accusation to me is ridiculous. I guess the graphic designers and marketing people and booth people are entitled too because they expect to not have to work for free. anyhow just my opinion but I kind of scratch my head at people who complain about artists charging ' expensive' rates. As the producer the onus is on YOU to determine the value of the art and the beauty of the free market is that you can choose to shop elsewhere if you don't like what someone is charging, but don't sit there and complain about it.

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                  • #10
                    I think getting paid what you feel you are worth and what the market will allow you to get paid are two different things. Skill and personality are factors as well, but the reality is comic book shops have been closing in mass, and although digital is a viable future it and the Internet have thrown the mechanics out of whack. So instead of competing with some other guy down the block, you're competing with the world in a diminished and rapidly evolving environment. My point is if you say you want over 100 a page and no ones going to pay you that because some guy in Thailand is offering 20 a page then the market says that a page from a average artist is worth only 20. This is true of any industry, there have been artisans of all kinds that have slowly been phased out or diminished to a few specialist. I'm not saying you shouldn't get 200 a page but the reality is being an illustrator has become a second career for only the few who can make enough money to have it be there sole career.


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                    • #11
                      "$100 a day" is $12.50 an hour, assuming you only spend eight hours a day on a page. That's not even double the average federal minimum wage in most states, and it doesn't include any of the benefits to full time employees that most employers contribute toward.

                      Here is page rate data culled from a SEQA Lab Podcast from a comic creator who was willing to share the data in 2011:

                      IDW $100 a page, pencil and ink. $50 to ink. $150 total
                      Dark Horse a little more. Scaled to project you're working on.
                      Marvel starts around $180 per page to start. Pencilling.
                      After six to eight consecutive issues it's okay to ask for pay raise and possibly an exclusive contract.
                      DC - Pays roughly the same.
                      The longer you work, the rate will will w/ Marvel paying up to $300-350 to pencil a page. This won't go higher unless you go exclusive with Marvel (around $400 a page, David Finch level).
                      Freelancing is not punching a time clock. So $100 a page as work for hire isn't an extremely great deal, and reselling original art, a limited commodity, to fans at $100 isn't asking much either.
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                      • #12
                        I just want to say my initial post may have sounded negative, A good illustrator should be making 20 an hour easy, I'm just looking at it from a realistic perspective.


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                        • #13
                          I can tell you based on my own experience talking from friends who work at top ten companies 100 per page is standard for a company in the top ten. I could name names but thats sort of bad form but certain indie northeast companies def pay 100.00 per page. Bare minimum a reputable company will pay 60.00. Thats just from my exp. tabling, and discussing the matter with my friend who works for Aspen as well as my own experiences working on books. The market will bear what the producer thinks his story is worth. The solution to getting a good page rate is being better than the guy offering 20.00 a page 3000 miles away. Its that simple. Shoot for being the best, take criticism, and dedicate more time to your craft than your competition. Some people will always consider the bottom line but there are plenty of people willing to pay more for quality. And really if you look at the numbers today vs 15 years ago the numbers for books are up. A lot these issues with page rates are not so much top ten publisher issues but issues with companies that might be considered solely independent, and start up companies. I can understand a new guy taking 60.00. However I think it is totally within the bounds of reason for a guy with 4 years in the business under his belt to charge 200.00 a page. For myself I charge what I charge and some people give me flack for it but just as many people will give me work. The artwork really is what matters and if the art speaks for itself people will pay you what you ask for within the bounds of reason. Thats just my two cents. I wont say I sympathize with people who call artists out for charging what they feel is a 'rate that is too expensive' Value is in the eye of the beholder and I would argue that in another ten years the direct market will have evolved to the point where this will be a different conversation. When all comics are cheaper to produce and 100 digital it will ease pressure on smaller independent publishers.

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                          • #14
                            I know I work on the cheap sometime but even I avoid most "Deviant Art" commissions. "Yo homey, can you toss me up a quick Sonic drawing for 5 bucks, you don't have to color it, I'll do that my self." Not saying all of them are bad but most are.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by paladis View Post
                              some guy in Thailand is offering 20 a page
                              I bet this guy from Thailand is killing it booking commissions and banking hundreds of dollars per day drawing "average" pages.

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