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  • #91
    Originally posted by Fallenangel View Post
    I don't really care if he makes millions or even billions - people that pledge to support or buy their stuff can spend their money on whatever they want.
    However, i do have a problem with the attitudes of some people here, and in the art world....oh well it's life.

    Gotta get back to studying for my Relativity exam.
    I know you are meaning that literally but that is actually pretty clever!

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    • #92
      Originally posted by dannycruz View Post
      i was looking to put together a kickstarter comics thing this year but, ive been really disillusioned with ks after the veronica mars and zach braff campaigns. millionaires asking the plebeians for money to fund their projects....not cool. i don't foresee any good coming from that down the line..
      That's my biggest problem with stuff like this and I think it'll just lead to studios using KS to hedge the production costs of their projects.

      To me, the whole point of Kickstarter and crowdsourcing in general, was to help launch new creators with new ideas.

      I'm a big fan of Alex Ross' art, but I wouldn't support a project of his funded by crowdsourcing.
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      • #93
        And really, Veronica Mars ? Zach Braff ?

        Are people suddenly concerned there's not enough overrated crap in the world ?
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        • #94
          I'm not going to lie, I would have backed Veronica Mars.

          If they never made that awful third season.

          So I'll need to back somebody making a time machine, so I can go back in time and stop Veronica Mars season 3 from being made.
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          • #95
            Mat Nastos has joined the Brigade team as a co-writer. With 10 days left, I wonder if that will give their kickstarter a boost, not that it needs it, given that it has met its fundraising goal.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Carl_Shinyama View Post
              Mat Nastos has joined the Brigade team as a co-writer. With 10 days left, I wonder if that will give their kickstarter a boost, not that it needs it, given that it has met its fundraising goal.
              I saw that, but I have to wonder if it's going to be a good thing for Matt.

              Liefeld still has a tainted reputation with retailers.

              I hate to keep going back to it, but Glory is an example of an amazing book that got Deep Sixed because of retailer resentment for Liefeld. It's really quite a shame. Glory was one of the best books coming out of Image in that Extreme re-launch, and in the face of competition from other Image creators; and it just tanked.

              Critical darling, sales failure. There's more at play here than Glory just being another failed female lead comic.

              So on one hand I'm happy for Matt, and on the other - I have to wonder if this is going to hurt his career rather than help it.
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              • #97
                I seriously doubt it. Mat has been writing for about two decades. His network is pretty big, so I'm quite positive he'll continue to get work no matter what, and if work doesn't come his way, he'll be able to create for himself, given how extensive his familiarity is with self-publishing.
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Carl_Shinyama View Post
                  I saw the Kickstarter. I'm not contributing any funds. Not because I'm not a fan of his style or skills, or because of whatever kind of person he is. I'm not contributing simply because I'm not interested.

                  On the subject of his skills, while I do think Liefeld's skills have gotten better, I am not entirely convinced that the final product is due more to him than it is of his relatively recent trend of hiring strong inkers who have great embellishing skills.

                  For example, in Infinite, he'd do very rough pencil layouts and hand it over to his inker to embellish it for him. Like so:




                  Having said that, in the pencils provided, he did appear to provide pencils that had a more finished appearance than the rough layout-style that I provided above, so I could be wrong.
                  Man, the original photos have been deleted from Bleeding Cool. Like a fool, I didn't save them, but I've been trying to find them to show a friend the importance and impact that an inker can have on the penciled art.

                  Anyone know where else I might find the pictures of Rob Liefeld's pencils and the inks by Canaan White and MAS? Google seems to be failing me here.

                  EDIT: Nevermind. Found them!

                  In case anyone is interested, here they are.
                  Last edited by Carl_Shinyama; 10-16-2019, 07:19 PM.
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                  • #99
                    I can add something to this, met Liefeld a couple times at cons.

                    Looking through his older portfolio, and talking to him he almost always inks the faces even if he uses another inker.
                    I asked him about this because some pages in his portfolio the faces were inked but nothing else, so was curious about it.

                    He had some beautiful inkers on his older 90- early 2000 work. I'm glad I got to see that portfolio when I did because this was beforethe Deadpool movie had come out, and he wasn't getting big crowds at the time.

                    This is just my opinion, but looking at a lot of stuff Liefeld has been producing and posting on Instagram for the last couple years he is a very accomplished inker himself. I actually think that is one his stronger qualities along with character creation.

                    This is a link to his current portfolio. https://www.instagram.com/p/B3KvEpohhru/

                    On a side note, about adding an oustide inker/embellisher. It can help to re-energize the line art because it's coming from a diffrent perspective then your own. Every time you lightbox, clean up, ink your orginal layout you are kind of killing it.
                    On the flipside tho, you are kind of losing your vision abit since you are adding another person's style on top of yours.

                    Thats why artists that can ink their own stuff usually go for a very loose style in there own pencils then do all the heavy lifting with the inks. IMHO its still the best way to keep energy in your work, and keep your vision entact.

                    Lightboxing and layering, definately helps you a lot in the clean up process, but I strongly beleive if you can shed the lightbox your art will benefit from being as close to the source as possible.
                    Last edited by 50%grey; 10-17-2019, 06:08 PM.
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                    • Originally posted by 50%grey View Post

                      This is just my opinion, but looking at a lot of stuff Liefeld has been producing and posting on Instagram for the last couple years he is a very accomplished inker himself. I actually think that is one his stronger qualities along with character creation.
                      I share that sentiment. I think Liefeld is a much stronger inker than penciler.

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                      • Alot of comments dissing on Liefeld's old work, but Rob used to be revered.... He is like the Star Wars prequels... It just became cool to hate him later on, but when he started, he was lorded for his work. -- Couldn't draw feet though, that shit is totally true... But he almost made hiding feet behind things an art-form in itself, hahaha.

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                        • I remember as a kid in the early 90's people were still joking about Liefeld's art.
                          YEAOH!!!

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