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“Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art.” ― Andy Warhol
“Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art.” ― Andy Warhol
Quoted from EJ's link:
"DC/WB is all like "Wonder Woman's too confusing for a movie!" and Marvel/Disney is all like "Here's a raccoon with a machine gun""
If only DC's movies didn't need to be deadly serious all the damned time.
Going back to the Nolan well is a terrible idea for Superman (though everything that's wrong with Man of Steel is clearly Snyder's fault). You could argue John Favreau and Iron Man set the tone for the Marvel movie universe; but it's functioning well without him.
Come on DC, time to see what folks who aren't Christopher Nolan can do.
Somebody ought to tell that FX department it's not a raccoon!
Bwahahahahahaha!
If only DC's movies didn't need to be deadly serious all the damned time.
Going back to the Nolan well is a terrible idea for Superman (though everything that's wrong with Man of Steel is clearly Snyder's fault). You could argue John Favreau and Iron Man set the tone for the Marvel movie universe; but it's functioning well without him.
Come on DC, time to see what folks who aren't Christopher Nolan can do.
Snyder and Nolan are NOTHING a like. Just because MoS LOOKS dark and serious like a Nolan movie, its not even in the same ball park.
Best way to put it is, Snyder, visually and conceptually, is more like a dark anime type of guy, something like Ninja Scroll, Fist of the Northstar, Guyver etc. Dark but with lots of action and fantasy. In 300, Snyder is the one that added all the crazy shit in the movie that wasnt in the book. He just has a thing for crazy and action.
Nolan is more like Ed Brubaker with an artist like Sean Gordon Murphy. Way more serious, grounded and somewhat realistic. You will never see a Nolan movie with with Snyder visuals and action.
In the end, Im glad DC is going the darker route as long as the action and concepts remain in comic/anime land and Marvel can do their saturday morning cartoon movies.
My problem is with movies like the X-Men. Where not only is all serious, depressing and dull but the action and concepts are also serious, depressing and dull.
It seems to reflect the comics imo, has DC ever consistently outsold Marvel since titles like Fantastic Four, X-Men, Avengers, etc.. started coming out? DC's flagship titles are mostly throwbacks from the 1930s, they were a 2nd tier comic book company and now they're a 2nd tier movie company, trying to figure out how to make a character like Wonder Woman relevant.
It seems to reflect the comics imo, has DC ever consistently outsold Marvel since titles like Fantastic Four, X-Men, Avengers, etc.. started coming out? DC's flagship titles are mostly throwbacks from the 1930s, they were a 2nd tier comic book company and now they're a 2nd tier movie company, trying to figure out how to make a character like Wonder Woman relevant.
In the comics they go back and forth. Marvel has more popular characters that are grounded in our reality while DC has talking animals and magical midgets.
DC still has Batman tho and hes still the most popular comic/movie character.
DC's animated division is amazing. I wish there Movie division was even close to that.
“Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art.” ― Andy Warhol
Snyder and Nolan are NOTHING a like. Just because MoS LOOKS dark and serious like a Nolan movie, its not even in the same ball park.
Correct.
I'm well aware of that. Nolan for instance, writes his own material and creates some pretty fantastic movies on his own.
Meanwhile Snyder spews out horrid stuff like Suckpunch. Which is basically conceptart.org the movie. A bunch of neat visuals, with nothing resembling a plot, story, characters, etc.
In the end, Im glad DC is going the darker route as long as the action and concepts remain in comic/anime land and Marvel can do their saturday morning cartoon movies.
Marvel's movies have mostly been true to the overarching presentation of the characters in the comics.
DC's? Not so much. For as much as audiences celebrate Nolan's batman movies, they're pretty wide of the mark in the depiction of Batman. Where is the detective work? Where is Batman doing what he's known for? Why can countless writers nail it in the comics, but Nolan cannot on film? And it doesn't have to be boring, Sherlock on BBC is fantastic. Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes movies have been entertaining.
Detective work doesn't have to be dull, but this unthinking Batman Nolan has crafted just irks me to no end. In all honesty though, I suspect Nolan just wanted the big fat paycheck, he has other films where writing is every bit as important as explosions.
Film fans rejoiced when they heard Nolan was involved with Superman because they enjoyed his Batman and assumed he would temper Snyder's rampant stupidity. Nolan penned the script with Goyer, so it's foolish to pretend Nolan had no hand in crafting Man of Steel.
Like comics, Nolan and Goyer provided the words. Snyder provided the pictures.
Just to reiterate, what bugs me about Nolan's superhero summer blockbusters is that they do not ring true to the character. Batman is barely a detective in his films, and Superman is even further from the mark in Man of Steel.
SPOILER! HIGHLIGHT TO READ:
Petty, thieving, murdering.
That's not Superman.
I don't get bringing up anime. I've seen what's popular in anime these days, and it's terrible. However that comparison does explain Suckpunch. It's Snyder trying to make a harem anime, and oh jesus is it awful.
I'm well aware of that. Nolan for instance, writes his own material and creates some pretty fantastic movies on his own.
Meanwhile Snyder spews out horrid stuff like Suckpunch. Which is basically conceptart.org the movie. A bunch of neat visuals, with nothing resembling a plot, story, characters, etc.
Marvel's movies have mostly been true to the overarching presentation of the characters in the comics.
DC's? Not so much. For as much as audiences celebrate Nolan's batman movies, they're pretty wide of the mark in the depiction of Batman. Where is the detective work? Where is Batman doing what he's known for? Why can countless writers nail it in the comics, but Nolan cannot on film? And it doesn't have to be boring, Sherlock on BBC is fantastic. Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes movies have been entertaining.
Detective work doesn't have to be dull, but this unthinking Batman Nolan has crafted just irks me to no end. In all honesty though, I suspect Nolan just wanted the big fat paycheck, he has other films where writing is every bit as important as explosions.
Film fans rejoiced when they heard Nolan was involved with Superman because they enjoyed his Batman and assumed he would temper Snyder's rampant stupidity. Nolan penned the script with Goyer, so it's foolish to pretend Nolan had no hand in crafting Man of Steel.
Like comics, Nolan and Goyer provided the words. Snyder provided the pictures.
Just to reiterate, what bugs me about Nolan's superhero summer blockbusters is that they do not ring true to the character. Batman is barely a detective in his films, and Superman is even further from the mark in Man of Steel.
SPOILER! HIGHLIGHT TO READ:
Petty, thieving, murdering.
That's not Superman.
I don't get bringing up anime. I've seen what's popular in anime these days, and it's terrible. However that comparison does explain Suckpunch. It's Snyder trying to make a harem anime, and oh jesus is it awful.
Yes.
A thousand times yes.
B:TaS, S:TaS, JLA/JLU, and Young Justice are fantastic.
Theres plenty of awesome anime and they do action, designs and FX waaaaay better than most live action movies. I cant even enjoy real movies or american cartoons anymore because of how weak they are compared to some Anime's.
I give props to Batman and Superman TAS but thats it.
That's silly they've done a great job over there.
Every TV series they've put out has been spectacular.
Out of the 3 movies from 2013 Dark Knight was a pretty spot on adaptation of the Comic
And Flashpoint is one of there best films ever made. Flashpoint has action all the way through the film, and still has a great story versus that disjointed/ badly paced mess that was MOS.
And the 2010 Batman: Under the Red Hood movie was better then anything that Nolan did for Batman. Batman seems like an afterthought in all his movies.
if I had to rank the movies from there Library it would be
1) Batman: Under the Red Hood
2) Justice League: Flashpoint
3) Green Lantern: Emerald Knights
4) Justice League: The New Frontier
5) All-Star Superman
And on Anime, Ive yet to see a really well done Anime movie that is both great visuals, great directing, and a solid story.
They've always needed time to flesh out a story, and fall flat on something that has to be done in 2 hours. The TV series they produce far exceed there Movies.
Akira, Fist of the Northstar ,and Ninja Scroll are fun to watch ,but that's really it.
It can't just be all eye candy, you need some substance otherwise it's shallow.
It's the same pitfall Don Bluth fell in with his animated studio. He always had these grand ideas for individual scenes, but his movies as a whole do not flow well.
IMHO that is exactly how Snyder directs. He can put a good scene together which is why his trailers are always great, but the pacing of his movies are extremely poorly done. Pacing is one of the most important things, or it's just a bunch of cool scenes thrown at the audience with nothing to tie it together.
“Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art.” ― Andy Warhol
I don't agree. I feel it falls apart in the last half, and that's because it's based off a manga where it's last arc went on for a couple of years.
“Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art.” ― Andy Warhol
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