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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugga Bugga View Post
    personally, I blame Ugga.
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    This should be interesting.

    Personally, I don't draw the Thing. I draw the Hulk and ink him with a bad case of psoriasis. I think the reason so many struggle with Ben is they're too fixated on doing a bizarre character when, if you really look at the "classic" Thing or Hulk, they're just big round babies.

    Everybody wants to do things their way. This is fine and, frankly necessary to forge an identity of your own. But, while some characters can be divorced from their creators with no harm (can we say Batman? sure we can) Others need to at least acknowledge the creator or you're doomed (pardon the pun) Ben is one of the latter.

    I think your proportional observations on the head are spot on. FWIW, I'd say your brow is a bit ... formal ... rigid ... It could be quite malleable and free form in the old days. Perhaps a bit rock happy, too. I find Kirby/Sinnott averaged about 6-7 rocks wide.

    Well done, lets see where this goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    This should be interesting.

    Personally, I don't draw the Thing. I draw the Hulk and ink him with a bad case of psoriasis. I think the reason so many struggle with Ben is they're too fixated on doing a bizarre character when, if you really look at the "classic" Thing or Hulk, they're just big round babies.

    Everybody wants to do things their way. This is fine and, frankly necessary to forge an identity of your own. But, while some characters can be divorced from their creators with no harm (can we say Batman? sure we can) Others need to at least acknowledge the creator or you're doomed (pardon the pun) Ben is one of the latter.

    I think your proportional observations on the head are spot on. FWIW, I'd say your brow is a bit ... formal ... rigid ... It could be quite malleable and free form in the old days. Perhaps a bit rock happy, too. I find Kirby/Sinnott averaged about 6-7 rocks wide.

    Well done, lets see where this goes.
    Thanks, Smitty! I appreciate you taking the time to offer comment here.

    The Kirby/Sinnott brow often changed size and shape--clearly sometimes to enhance a particular facial expression or to help create a little extra depth to the head (depending on the POV, figure angle and other such things). The thing I recall about the Kirby/Sinnot brow was that it was often quite angular, and it widened and tapered dramatically in places--something that most certainly helped create extra emotion on Ben's face.

    In part 1.4 of this tutorial I will include a "how-to" on drawing/constructing Ben's brow, and finally I will present some head shots depicting ways to use the brow to create expression in Ben's face.

    Part 2 will focus on Ben's figure proportions and construction. One part of part two will take a look at drawing Ben's hands and feet, and there will naturally be a section on drawing Ben's rocky skin.

    My chief goal in building this tutorial is to help anyone who has struggled drawing the character. My observations presented in this tutorial will be based on years studying the original Kirby/Sinnott version of the Thing, and of the many great artists privileged to draw the character afterwards. Without the Kirby version, we'd have never had a Byrne version of the character, or a Mike Ringo version, etc. So I'm going back to basics in this tutorial, serving up as much insight as I can to anyone who's interested.

    I hope to clobber more of this tutorial just as soon as I'm finished inking some Super Friends, folks. Hang in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Lee View Post
    My chief goal in building this tutorial is to help anyone who has struggled drawing the character.
    So, to re-cap, that would be everyone in the world except Kirby and BWS. lol.

    Byrne and Ringo are probably the two best examples of non Kirby Things and proof we don't have to mimic the past but, I'm with you in that Kirby/Sinnott is the place to start. Learn to draw the actual character first and work out from there.

    I feel the two of the biggest problems folks have are: making him a giant and using 8-9-10 head proportions. Assuming he stands straight up, he's 6 feet tall and about 5 heads high but, he rarely if ever stands straight up, leaving him under 6 feet and 4-4 1/2 heads tall. As I mentioned earlier, under it all, he's just a big baby.

    While I was never a fan, I feel it should be said that "classic" Ben was actually first brought to us by George "Inky" Rousseau, aka George Bell. While we get glimpses of future Thing on the covers of #11 and #13, he's not really there yet (and truth to tell, 11 seems like a Diverse Hands job of inking so who knows who to blame.) It's the cover of #18 where Ben first ceases to be made of soft, lumpy mud and becomes geometric, hardened rock. The next few years are a bit of a see saw, Stone and Ayers remain lumpy while Rousseau, Giacoia and Colletta go rocky.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    So, to re-cap, that would be everyone in the world except Kirby and BWS. lol.
    Isn't that just about the truth. Heh. I have always considered you as being one of the better Thing artists out there, Paul. When you've drawn the FANTASTIC FOUR in the past, I've always felt like you were an artist who was right for the job. Clearly you understand the importance of not going overboard with detail when drawing Ben. Unfortunately, I think many artists who set out to draw the character seem more concerned with giving each individual rock texture than about making the character work on the whole as a dimensional and decipherable form. The complexity of his rocky flesh alone seems to serve up intimidation for many artists.

    Over the years talking with artists both amateur and pro, I've repeatedly heard similar comments regarding the difficulty of getting the rocks just right. In my mind the key to that seems to be to keep the rocks on Ben's head and face as simple as possible. The fewer the better. If there is too much line work and details on Ben's face, there will be greater risk of losing his facial features amidst all that extraneous detail. Things like keeping the outlines around the facial rocks thin and simple in shape are the sort of invaluable tips that I hope to pass along via this tutorial. I think the K.I.S.S. rule (Keep It Simple Stupid) that I first heard of while attending the Kubert School really needs to come into play when drawing the Thing. Less is more, most of the time, if not always.

    Byrne and Ringo are probably the two best examples of non Kirby Things and proof we don't have to mimic the past but, I'm with you in that Kirby/Sinnott is the place to start. Learn to draw the actual character first and work out from there.
    Exactly! I figure that an artist who wants to do their own thing all the time probably isn't going to want to listen to what I have to say in this tutorial anyway, but I'm very much interested in taking the character back to basics--back to his classic Kirby-era roots. While guys like Byrne and Ringo did their own thing with Ben, I think it's also pretty clear that they were still following many of the basic physical characteristics of Kirby's Thing. The prominent brow, beady and round eyes spaced widely apart, the thin wide nose set closer to the eyes, and the large, wide mouth were still present in their renditions of Ben. Both artists understood the character very well.

    I feel the two of the biggest problems folks have are: making him a giant and using 8-9-10 head proportions. Assuming he stands straight up, he's 6 feet tall and about 5 heads high but, he rarely if ever stands straight up, leaving him under 6 feet and 4-4 1/2 heads tall. As I mentioned earlier, under it all, he's just a big baby.
    Yep.

    While I was never a fan, I feel it should be said that "classic" Ben was actually first brought to us by George "Inky" Rousseau, aka George Bell. While we get glimpses of future Thing on the covers of #11 and #13, he's not really there yet (and truth to tell, 11 seems like a Diverse Hands job of inking so who knows who to blame.) It's the cover of #18 where Ben first ceases to be made of soft, lumpy mud and becomes geometric, hardened rock. The next few years are a bit of a see saw, Stone and Ayers remain lumpy while Rousseau, Giacoia and Colletta go rocky.
    I remember seeing that a Kirby/Ayers an image of an original FF page in THE JACK KIRBY COLLECTOR that was from the era where Ben was still looking a bit lumpy with the less polished rock shapes that we associate with the Kirby/Sinnott era Thing. On that page a paste-up panel had fallen away, and beneath it was a panel that Kirby had pencilled. What was sort of shocking was that Ben's rocky flesh looked much different than the way Ayers had been inking it. It looked much closer to the Thing we would see emerge later when Sinnott appeared on the scene.

    Thanks again for commenting, Paul. I appreciate your insights.
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    phew, makes me feel better knowing even pros struggle to get that shingle effect. i draw architectural illustrations so i'm like, eh, its just shingle should be a cinch, then i'm like omg these are irregular and wrap around a human form how the eff do i do this argh its clobberin time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kae_ae View Post
    phew, makes me feel better knowing even pros struggle to get that shingle effect. i draw architectural illustrations so i'm like, eh, its just shingle should be a cinch, then i'm like omg these are irregular and wrap around a human form how the eff do i do this argh its clobberin time!
    Well, I hope by the time this tutorial is completed, it will be easier for you, man.

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    This tutorial MAKES me want to draw good old Ben, and I have been avoiding him for YEARS. I look forward to the next installments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spidey976 View Post
    This tutorial MAKES me want to draw good old Ben, and I have been avoiding him for YEARS. I look forward to the next installments.
    Glad they inspire you, man. That's nice to know.
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    Sigh ... I need the WHOLE body tutorial now ... lol. Yes you did inspire me ... I have a piece with the ever lovin blue eyed Thing ... sitting on my table right now.
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