Digital Work or Traditional? Sequentials or Pinups?

[Popninja]

Manji (thats me not Pop) started this thread and merged posts to it.

Ok a PUMMEL match sparked this discussion and instead of having the thread of two great entries overrun with that discussion I decided to start a thread here. So that everyone can have their say and hopefully agree to disagree, changes a few minds or send me money. Whichever is good by me.

So the topic is what is more labor intentsive and possibly even requires more skill? Digital or Traditional? Sequentials or Pinups?

Discuss.

By the way I have merged some of the comments from the derailed PUMMEL thread starting below.

Voters in this, and other Heavyweight bouts this month, seem to be overly impressed by pencil rendering. I'm assuming this stems from being big mainstream North American comics fans, I don't know.

You don't know? Then let me tell you why. It's quite simple. Those of us who pencil and are trying to improve our skills at pencilling, recognize what goes into a piece like the one Kris did for this round. It takes serious WORK. When I say "work," I'm talking about physically sitting down(or maybe standing) and using your hand to draw. And those of us who have seen guys who can do a little bit of line work and then brush some color over it know that it's less actual hand work. It may actually take more time, but we know that it's not the same as physically toiling over a piece of art. No matter how great the sequential is in terms of storytelling, I can look at what Kris did and KNOW because I do it everyday myself, that he put some serious hand work into his piece.

It really is that simple. Had Krikkit done his "Bovey-style," and had painted it by hand, this would be a whole other ballgame. As it is, I personally admire when hard work goes into a piece of art. And the hard work shows in Kris's piece.

Sorry Krikkit. As much as Kris is taking heat, I'm sort of throwing some your way. Yours is by no means mediocre, but it doesn't hit me the way Kris's does.

[jdmakescomics]

Wow, Popninja. I didn't know that when you color something on the computer it's actually all done by robots and your hands don't need to touch a mouse or tablet or anything. That's amazing. I'd totally be digitally coloring more stuff if I knew this.

[Hangman]

You don't know? Then let me tell you why. It's quite simple. Those of us who pencil and are trying to improve our skills at pencilling, recognize what goes into a piece like the one Kris did for this round. It takes serious WORK. When I say "work," I'm talking about physically sitting down(or maybe standing) and using your hand to draw. And those of us who have seen guys who can do a little bit of line work and then brush some color over it know that it's less actual hand work. It may actually take more time, but we know that it's not the same as physically toiling over a piece of art. No matter how great the sequential is in terms of storytelling, I can look at what Kris did and KNOW because I do it everyday myself, that he put some serious hand work into his piece.

wow....i thought better of you than that. As someone who has worked both digitally and "physically sat down and used my hand to draw" , I couldn't disagree more. Different mediums should not take away from the hard work that BOTH krikkit and kris did.

I voted Krikkit because I felt that Kris' background work was leagues behind what he did with the foreground. that little running guy in the bg is such a turn off for me.

[Beastie]

Those of us who pencil and are trying to improve our skills at pencilling, recognize what goes into a piece like the one Kris did for this round. It takes serious WORK. When I say "work," I'm talking about physically sitting down(or maybe standing) and using your hand to draw. And those of us who have seen guys who can do a little bit of line work and then brush some color over it know that it's less actual hand work. It may actually take more time, but we know that it's not the same as physically toiling over a piece of art. No matter how great the sequential is in terms of storytelling, I can look at what Kris did and KNOW because I do it everyday myself, that he put some serious hand work into his piece.

It really is that simple. Had Krikkit done his "Bovey-style," and had painted it by hand, this would be a whole other ballgame. As it is, I personally admire when hard work goes into a piece of art. And the hard work shows in Kris's piece.

I'll stay out of the Kris vs Krikkit debate -- but I've got to comment on your words, Pop.

They really DO strike me as being massively ignorant.

Do you really believe what you've said?

Or were you just having a bad day?

[Manji]

I don't have the energy to post anything right now aside from let's just keep it civil and remember don't give someone negative rep just because you disagree.

If they are being an ass sure but otherwise it's just not cool. Thanks

[starkoryan81]

Neither. They are tools. They are as simple or difficult as you have the skill to make them. The results of one are preferable to the other only as a matter of opinion. Both have unique challenges and require some different skills, but I think it's essentially a pointless debate.

[starkoryan81]

I do think sequentials are generally more difficult than pinups, however. That whole storytelling thing, y'know, if you're into that.

[nate lovett]

Neither. They are tools. They are as simple or difficult as you have the skill to make them. The results of one are preferable to the other only as a matter of opinion. Both have unique challenges and require some different skills, but I think it's essentially a pointless debate.

i totally agree.

just over a year ago, steve downer came up with this shirt design:



his thread about it here: link

and i totally agree with him. coloring digitally is simply not that easy, if it was, everyone would be doing it, and doing it well. but as we've all seen here on these boards, as long as you leave the break room, not everyone can.

personally i think this a completely ridiculous argument.

[Bruce Lee]

Art is difficult. Wear a helmet.

[dfbovey]

LOL @ "Bovey-style". It's really funny to me how trends fluxuate. About 5 years ago I'd say that cartoony work was the hardest thing for me to compete with in draw offs... Because my type of style wasn't very popular. Now it at least seems respected or trends might had leaned my way here. But I don't know. I don't pay attention to it. I just draw what feels natural to me.

Personally, its about quality. I've seen bad colors ruin good linework and I've seen great colors salvage flawed linework. But for me the only thing that matters is how the illustration works as a whole.


I have no problems voting for a black and white piece over something in color. I don't have a preferrence.

as far as pinups go, I think the best pin ups also should have good storytelling.As for pin-ups competing against pages of sequential art in draw offs, it is apples and oranges and difficult to judge. Not sure if it needs to be addressed.