Female photo reference

[penciljack]

Originally posted by TomLuth It is my belief however, that if one wishes to pursue drawing of the human figure, even clothed, some study of the figure, including in the nude form is going to be necessary. While I didn't post links or pictures, I did make suggestions that I will stand by. If this crosses the line, I am simply baffled. I've received more reprimands on my remarks, than have those who have directly suggested that one learns to draw the human figure from ...

Since you decided to attempt throw your weight around, I'd think that someone that someone "working in the field for 28 years" would understand the situation and realize that sometimes there have to be restrictions about what can be shown/said based on your audience. You haven't been reprimanded, though I have expressed dismay with the sarcasm you exhibited with regards to the policy. All we're doing here is trying to maintain a Web site that's helpful and informative without getting our asses in a legal sling. I don't think our policy re: nudity is the least bit unfair or repressive or even much of an inconvenience, so I don't understand the need to keep complaining about the policy, whether openly or subversively through sarcasm.

[brendon]

Originally posted by TomLuth
"christ... if it's that important....
can't you just personal-message everyone the link???"

Uhm, I'm lost. What link?

Sorry...

I was refering to the fact that some people seem to have wanted to post a link or two that directed towards a site with nudity, but the moderator took out the link...

I figure you could send a message to the people who showed interest in the link...

example:

anyone who is interested in the link, which I can't post here due to nudity, please message me and I will send you the link...

[penciljack]

I think you're missing the point, Brendon. This forum is not to be used to transmit material which is inappropriate, whether you post it in the open or whether you use the forum's PM system.

From the terms of service:

b.You shall not upload or otherwise transmit through the Web site any material that (i) is unlawful, tortious, harassing, defamatory, libellous, abusive, profane, threatening, harmful, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, pornographic or otherwise objectionable; (ii) infringes on any third-party rights; (iii) contains any virus or other harmful code that may adversely change or disrupt the Web site or any other user's equipment or software; or (iv) constitutes any form of lottery or gambling.

So don't use this forum in any shape or form to spread links to sites that aren't appropriate here. It leaves me very little choice but to reprimand the offending user, and trust me when I say I REALLY don't want to have to do that.

[TomLuth]

I had no intention of "throwing [my] weight around", but I do recognize that you feel my presence here is most "unappreciated," and unwelcome. Several others, as I have noted have cracked jokes on the topic, but only mine seem to raise so much exasperation. The bulk of my posting, even on this topic, have addressed the heading of how to reference and draw the female figure, all without a single link, IM or whatever to sites we are asked not to link to, with the intent of being helpful to those inquiring. Seeing as my comments here are not regarded in the least bit helpful, but merely sarcastic and unappreciated, it is a waste of my time and yours to pursue the issue further. Please delete my name from the membership database, and I'll delete my bookmark to this site, and we'll all be happy.

Sincerely, Thomas Luth

[Phil Clark]

Well, I don't want to see you leave based on this discussion. You must understand that this is a problem that we have been battling since the site began. Not just from members who had good intentions (some of them in this thread) but also from spam "bots" that would post the same link to pornographic sites in over 100 messages before the process was stopped and the posts deleted.

We here at penciljack have always maintained that this is an all ages message board. As such, we have to monitor carefully what is allowed to be posted. If you disagree with that policy, that is fine. But for legal reasons the policy is and will remain in effect.

We all agree that figure study is important to drawing the human figure well, but figure drawing does not neccessarily mean drawing nudes.

If you still want to leave penciljack, that is of course your decision. But I wouldn't dismiss a forum for having rules that it protects. You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything.

[penciljack]

From Tom Luth:

I had no intention of "throwing [my] weight around", but I do recognize that you feel my presence here is most "unappreciated," and unwelcome.

I did not say your presence was "unappreciated." Rather, as I said quite clearly, the sarcasm was unappreciated.

It matters not whether you've got 28 years experience in any industry (which is what I was calling "throwing your weight around"). I've got to make decisions regarding this site and its policies. And, as I see it, other posters who made comments regarding the policy were addressed. I'm sorry you take issue with the fact that I addressed your comment in particular, but then, that is the nature of a message forum such as this.

If you sincerely want to leave this forum, then that's your decision, though you'll have to follow the procedures outlined in the Terms of Service before any account is deleted. I think it would be unfortunate for you to abandon this forum because you perceive my taking issue with one of your comments as a slight against your entire presence. You're as welcome as anybody else here, but I reserve the right to address questions/concerns/comments about the policies we put forth.

[penciljack]

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It's always tough to do, but I think it's important to admit when you were wrong. With that in mind, I wanted to point out that I've emailed Tom Luth privately to indicated my apology for being so stiff over this issue.

I still stand by the policy and the decision-making process we used to arrive at the policy, but that's not an excuse for being rude about it. I've lost a lot of sleep lately, and have put in a lot of hours at work. But while I can point to that as contributing to my being somewhat .... short tempered, I can't claim it as an acceptable excuse.

Anyway, thanks all for taking the time to read my mea culpa, and thanks double to all those who've abided by our policies and have supported us thus far. I'll try to be more even-keeled in the future.

[red7ine]

in the interest of fairness, how about we have a 'Nekkid Day', where all links, no matter how innocent, go to a hardcore porn site. Maybe do this on Fridays. That way, the rest of the week is balanced out.

And on Fridays, you can ban Devin for that one day, since he's the only prepubescent that hangs out here...

[Phil Clark]

You know what. This thread has ceased to be about Photo reference, so where did I put that key. Ah, there it is.