You don't love me?
Pardon me while I wander off and sulk for a while.
Ok, I'm back.
We love ya, Phil!
Well... maybe not, but still-- I agree that there is a difference, but I agree with the rules of the BOARDS more-- no 12 or 13 year old should be checkin' out nudes... as I'm sure any adult would agree. I mean, they're TWELVE!
Jeremy
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I agree with Reilly. I have been noticing a lot of very good photo's of tennis players in the news paper recently and I just clip them and save them for later. While tastefull full nudity might not be pornography, the poses that these women are in aren't usually helpful. Even in art classes the nude models posed in more realistic positions.
Porn (not referring to tasteful nudes) is usually a really bad reference... unless of course you are drawing porn.
One last post from me on the subject. Photo reference is great, of course, but I would also suggest that you study the figure and anatomy in order to create figures when no reference is presnt, and/or to know how to place a referenced figure into the proper perspective for your particular drawing. There are many excellent books on the subject, but I can think of none better than Andrew Loomis' "Figure Drawing for all it's worth." While first printed in 1943, there has been nothing since that is so all-inclusive about all aspects of drawing the human figure. I must warn that the book in question does include some frightening examples of nudity, so use extreme caution. However, for those depraved souls that dare, I recommend this book highly. I cannot give you a link to a specific location of the book (sadly out-of-print) but if one were to do a google for the author and title, it is possible that a solution may present itself.
Another author worth investigating is George Bridgeman. And again, looking at classic works of greats like Michaelangelo, DaVinci, David, Bouguereau, Alma-Tedema, Waterhouse, etc., couldn't hurt either. Once again, you will need to do your own search for these.
Good luck to all!
That is a great book and I am lucky that I have one. I didn't know it was out of print, that's too bad.
From Tom Luth:
RIght. Sarcasm duly noted and unappreciated.I must warn that the book in question does include some frightening examples of nudity, so use extreme caution. However, for those depraved souls that dare, I recommend this book highly.
These discussions always amuse me, because the pretense always seems to be that we, the stiff, overly sensitive, oppressive moderators and administrators here at Penciljack.com are depriving people of their God-given right to view nudity. The real truth of the matter is we're trying to maintain a site that is appropriate for all age levels.
I'll point out that every member who signs up here agrees to abide by the forum guidelines and terms of service, and we've been pretty clear about stating our policy regarding nudity.
You can like our policies or not, while you're posting here, you'll be expected to abide by them.
Terry
webmaster@penciljack.com
Heh heh, actually, if it's the book I'm thinking it is, some of the pictures get mighty graphic.
But I might be thinking of a different book. . .
--Reilly
"I'll point out that every member who signs up here agrees to abide by the forum guidelines and terms of service, and we've been pretty clear about stating our policy regarding nudity.
You can like our policies or not, while you're posting here, you'll be expected to abide by them."
Which is what I thought I was doing. No nudity, nor direct links to nudity were posted. It is my belief however, that if one wishes to pursue drawing of the human figure, even clothed, some study of the figure, including in the nude form is going to be necessary. While I didn't post links or pictures, I did make suggestions that I will stand by. If this crosses the line, I am simply baffled. I've received more reprimands on my remarks, than have those who have directly suggested that one learns to draw the human figure from:
"Women. Oh, and porn, lingerie, and swimsuit websites."
or
"yes, porn....and don't be shy about it.
and the one labeled "porn" linking to a harmless site, or those who posted actual links that needed to be removed. Wasn't there a degree of sarcasm in these posts I've noted? (And I appreciate their playful humor.) And yet, my posts, where I try to offer sincere and specific suggestions on this topic seem to be the only ones singled out as being "unappreciated." I find this very odd, particularly in light of my posts throughout this forum, including custom built tutorials responding to questions of other list members, and as someone working in the field for 28 years, offering help to those looking to break in. Odd indeed.
christ... if it's that important....
can't you just personal-message everyone the link???
...my humble opinion.
"christ... if it's that important....
can't you just personal-message everyone the link???"
Uhm, I'm lost. What link?
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