Psf: You think you're better?

[amadarwin]

With better inks, Hangman would have definitely blown Rob outta the water.

[dfbovey]

Im as flabbergasted at the poll results as I am that Liefeld continues to work in the industry. Kind of spits in the face of everything that's preached here on a daily basis. Style over substance. I mean, look at the anatomy alone in the first panel. Hangman has him beat and would make a much better finished product once colored and final than what was in the book.

[NewYorkPicasso]

Just for fun, why doesn't somebody put up three Liefeld pieces with a poll and let's weigh him in. Could be pretty entertaining.

[amadarwin]

it's the inking that did these pieces in. Hangman's, imo, is the best of the bunch, but the inking killed it.

I say find a penciled page of Rob's and do this again. I'd be surprised if the results are the same.

[Emperorsteele]

Im as flabbergasted at the poll results as I am that Liefeld continues to work in the industry. Kind of spits in the face of everything that's preached here on a daily basis. Style over substance. I mean, look at the anatomy alone in the first panel. Hangman has him beat and would make a much better finished product once colored and final than what was in the book.

Well, the anatomy in that first panel IS messed up... however, it's the only thing wrong with the piece as far as I can see (that, and the fact that Rob couldn't decide how many grenades he wanted to draw). Syrin isn't impossibly proportioned, the work is readable, and... Rob manages to take a very boring part of the script and just cram it with detail.

So in other words, if we wanted to pick on Liefeld, there are many far worse pieces we could have chosen (some of which were in the collab image posted in the discussion thread). In fact, maybe the challenge should have been to just re-create the first panel, because like I said, that's the only part that's glaringly awful.

Also, as a comics "pro", this page probably took Liefeld only a few hours to draw (given that he had to draw 24 pages in what, a week or two?). We all had 3 weeks (ok, i did mine in 5 hours last night, but it shows, shu'up!). So really, shame on all of us!

[BringerOfStorms]

In fact, maybe the challenge should have been to just re-create the first panel, because like I said, that's the only part that's glaringly awful.

Also, as a comics "pro", this page probably took Liefeld only a few hours to draw (given that he had to draw 24 pages in what, a week or two?). We all had 3 weeks (ok, i did mine in 5 hours last night, but it shows, shu'up!). So really, shame on all of us!

Deth was the one who requested sequentials, and then was unfortunately unable to submit something for this. I thought that it would be bad taste to "cherry pick" out a single bad panel and launch a "do it better" challenge. That Cap piece would have been too dry for a full blown SF.

Shame on yourself if you want. My piece took about 7 hours, I am not a professional artist (I worked about 3 hours a night between 10pm and 1am over a couple nights) and did not have the support of a professional (or even passable... myself) inker.

~BoS

[dfbovey]

Well, the anatomy in that first panel IS messed up... however, it's the only thing wrong with the piece as far as I can see (that, and the fact that Rob couldn't decide how many grenades he wanted to draw). Syrin isn't impossibly proportioned, the work is readable, and... Rob manages to take a very boring part of the script and just cram it with detail.

So in other words, if we wanted to pick on Liefeld, there are many far worse pieces we could have chosen (some of which were in the collab image posted in the discussion thread). In fact, maybe the challenge should have been to just re-create the first panel, because like I said, that's the only part that's glaringly awful.

Also, as a comics "pro", this page probably took Liefeld only a few hours to draw (given that he had to draw 24 pages in what, a week or two?). We all had 3 weeks (ok, i did mine in 5 hours last night, but it shows, shu'up!). So really, shame on all of us!

There's really nothing glaringly wrong with Hangman's piece. There are so many anatomy issues in that first panel alone on Liefeld's, that it's difficult to get past. At least for me. It was obviously intended to be the impact panel and it looks awful. I also don't like the messed up face in the last panel. Look at how far apart the eyes are. How many teeth can you fit in a mouth?

Hangman's has better composition, layout, flow, storytelling, clarity, anatomy, and no cringe worthy moments. Only thing Rob's has is hatching.

[ghostcat]

Emperorsteele, Xforce was a monthly title, as I recall, so I doubt Rob was producing much more than a page a day. He probably spent 5-8 hours on pencilling this piece alone, and someone else spent another 5 hours or so inking it. Yes, people here had a weeks to finish, but I'd bet most people spent a similar amount of time on theirs. I think Hangman's piece easily bests Rob's in every way except level of detail, which I think actually hurts Rob's piece. It's so noisy, you lose all distinction. Try squinting your eyes and see if you can make out anything.

[CWmax]

Yeah- no question. RL wins.

I thought that joeydes came closest.

CW

[Popninja]

I wanted to give it to Hangman, but his was not finished, and Sauron just looked too poorly done, so it dropped a few bars. In terms of "doing it better" than Liefeld did on his page, I don't think any of these guys met the challenge.