GoT Streetfight Wassy Vs Blam-Oil Paints

[Wassy]

I think art is art, and fundamentals will always be there. You can compare composition, draftsmanship, value arrangement... even narrative.

I love comic book art, as well as doing book/story illustration, yet also don't want to fight against my style to shoe-horn myself into the comic market. Not that there's probably much of a market for this, but my ideal would be to do companion art books to novels. I'd love to do several narrative full-blown paintings for novels.

[Aabh]

I don't know... I think I wouldn't mind attempting a comic book style Vs. Wassy at some point... I'd have to get markedly better (And she'd have to get markedly NOT bogged down in classes ) But take a topic and run with it. I'd actually like to do that. I have no idea if I could even remotely win (And I won't even presume I COULD), but it'd be cool!

Where Wassy would be blind-sided, though would be sequentials. Then we start getting into Alex Ross territory.

[Fallenangel]

The problem begins when you start to compare all those things (composition, and etc..) on a totally different subjects, for instance...the topic was to draw a girl.

In this corner we have:
Silvestris' Hulk pages (posted only one cause didn't want to trash this thread with tons of pics - so add to this page 2-3more pages in your mind )


And this one by Royo


Who would win?!?!? ...for me it's quite hard to judge this...even if comic art isn't represented by a set of sequential pages but only by a pin-up.
The skills that one must have to produce a painted fine art picture and a penciled/inked comicbook picture are quite different.

[dfbovey]

Voted Wassy, simply because of better painting skills.

On a side note, i think it would be very hard to find a descent match-up to Wassy in Pummel and it wold be even harder to judge those matches too.
Cause we would need to decide between fine-art and comicbook-art........

Wassy vs. BFowler would be a good matchup. So would you with your digital painting style. I think there are a handful of people around that dabble in both fine art and comicbook stuff. I've entered watercolor pieces in the past.

It's definitely interesting though to have a vast array of styles going on from artist to artist here.

[Fallenangel]

Wassy vs. BFowler would be a good matchup. So would you with your digital painting style. I think there are a handful of people around that dabble in both fine art and comicbook stuff. It's definitely interesting though to have a vast array of styles going on from artist to artist here.

Yeah i agree, it's just that i'm struggling with this myself...it's very hard balance between improving my painting skills and my penciling skills...therefore i thought that judging those "battles" would be even harder.

[Aabh]

In the end, isn't comic book artwork mostly a storytelling medium? Thus if the static picture, regardless of how beautiful it is, can't tell a story (Like Royo's piece... which is awesome... but who is it? What's happening here? Is she trying to commit suicide the hard way? ), it's failing to accomplish the goal...

I think Wassy's right: you can paint like a madman, but if you put up late period Picasso vs. any of us, we'd still win on the basics: anatomy, balance and storytelling

[Wassy]

I wouldn't be completely blind-sided by sequentials, because I learned a LOT under Steve Ellis recently. I do have to put tons more thought into them, but he really showed me how my painterly ways can translate into sequential. He had some examples of French comics that were badass. I won't lie though.... it ain't easy.

Also, yes, I'm huge on narrative. Telling a story with my single paintings is important to me.

[Aabh]

Excellent, Wassy! I am already forming my challenge to you in my head ;D (Provided you want to/are available to do it, of course o.O )...

I'm SO not good at this smacktalk thing: "Wassy! I'm calling you out! Erm... if that's okay with you..."

As a side note, this piece is a great example of narrative in the piece: Wassy's piece tells a story. It'd kick that Royo piece in my book, because I can see the story it's telling... and we are about being in a storytelling medium

[Wassy]

I'll answer your call if you can be polite enough to have a deadline of at least June 9th-ish!

[Fallenangel]

In the end, isn't comic book artwork mostly a storytelling medium?

No, not all comicbook styled art has to tell a story. (btw most of the Pummel entries are pin ups)
That's exactly what i wrote in the comparison above, i can put a comicbook styled pin-up instead instead of the page i posted, and it still will be impossible to judge those because those are two absolutely different ways of making art.

Thus if the static picture, regardless of how beautiful it is, can't tell a story (Like Royo's piece... which is awesome... but who is it? What's happening here? Is she trying to commit suicide the hard way? ), it's failing to accomplish the goal...

A "static picture" can tell a story without any sequential pages (but it doesn't have to). The Royo pic in my OP doesn't have to tell a story it just a pretty face shot, but that doesn't mean that all illustrations can't or don't tell stories.

And so you're basically saying that if a picture doesn't tell a story it's inferior to any other picture or set of pictures that do tell a story? regardless of the skills of the artists and etc.??????

As a side note, this piece is a great example of narrative in the piece: Wassy's piece tells a story. *It'd kick that Royo piece in my book, because I can see the story it's telling... and we are about being in a storytelling medium

You're kidding right????????

I think Wassy's right: you can paint like a madman, but if you put up late period Picasso vs. any of us, we'd still win on the basics: anatomy, balance and storytelling

What that has to do with anything?