Reply With Quotei'd go with stylistic art. guys like chris bachalo, joe mad and humberto ramos. when super hero art gets too realistic, it goes from looking like super heroes to looking like guys dressed in costumes going to a costume party.
Old school, Golden-Age
Manga manga manga
Hyper-realistic
Cartoony and super-simplified
Greg Capullo is the freshest artist DC has had for YEARS and he's getting a ton of hate for his art style in some circles
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i'd go with stylistic art. guys like chris bachalo, joe mad and humberto ramos. when super hero art gets too realistic, it goes from looking like super heroes to looking like guys dressed in costumes going to a costume party.
I'd never be able to narrow it down. I don't think the whole subject is given to mutual exclusivity. Though I do get tired of the whole thing of bad anatomy being passed off as Manga or whatever. Don't get me wrong there is some good Japanese manga out there... we get tons of it where I'm at in Hong Kong... but it seems there is a whole generation of artists who seemingly just gave up on learning proper anatomy and said 'sod it... I'll call it manga'. Dire.
Though I've seen some things take influence from it that I really, really liked.. Joe Mad's Battlechaser's was visually very, very pleasing. Curious how it will hold up in 20 years.
I grew up on Jack Kirby, Steve Dikto and Frank Frazetta. You just take it in and some of you still like from a nostalgic angle. I've always been the biggest fan of Kirby just because he always portrayed the Thing in a way that made sense... much of that would have been the writing. Just working class Joe trying to make sense out of this crazy world. That always appeals to me.
I was a huge fan of John Buscema's Conan...and then later when I was older and had access to the rest of Buscema's work I realized just how good he was all the way around.
These days I try to keep up on as many of the Franco-Belgium comics (Band-Desinee) as I can because I find their artwork superb... the one that I constantly find myself reading and rereading is Blacksad by Diaz Canales and Guarnido...
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story and artwork is pretty much at the top of the heap IMHO. But there are so many French/Italian/Euro comic artists that just have a whole different sensibility about their work that I just can't get enough of.
When I was kid the only way to see any of this type of comic/art was via the pages of Heavy Metal Magazine. I still pick up old copies here and there... but more than ever it seems it's about porn comics than what it used to be.
Someone dropped of a copy of Marvel's AVENGERS/INVADERS - ugh. It's beyond bad in my opinion. I really hope the penciler/inker/colorer aren't on here because this is the worst looking stuff I've seen in years. Just really not even readable. If this is the state of comics today... no thanks. It's garbage. The only glimmer of redemption for this rag would be the color paintings by Alex Ross. It's depressing it's that bad.
I also like a lot of stuff like Bone, any of the Eisner/Spirit stuff and Walt Kelly's Pogo.
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Moebius, Darrow, Liefeld (yes, that guy) Arthur Rackham, da Vinci, Michelagelo, Otomo, Toriyama, Madd, Frank Miller, Shirow, Toth, Joost Swarte, Bill Waterson, Cam Kennedy, Scott McCloud, Mignola, Arthur Adams, Sam Kieth, Adam Huges, Frazetta Winsor McCay...
it's not the style it's the artist
whether the art be martial, musical, or graphic in nature
That is an impressive list and I agree with 99.999% of that save the Liefeld choice. It's not just based on his art it is based on him. I met him in '98 at the Las Vegas Comics Expo. He was none too nice on top of being very unprofessional. Arrogance and attitude really have NO place when dealing with the general public. Looking for up an comers etc. And, even if I am going to not take exception to being treated poorly, they need to be a flat out legend or master craftsman at the trade... He ain't.Originally Posted by Whune
But, yeah those are incredible artists and storytellers. I have always gravitated to what I consider "Light and shadow and fold artist". Bernie Wrightson, Tim B. Vigil, Dale Keown, Reed Crandall, Wally Wood, Hal Foster, Jack Davis, Al Williamson, Mike Ploog, and I would have to say in this day and age Angel Medina, Greg Capullo, and David Finch.
Texture, folds, shadow and grit seem to make a book tell its own story. The backgrounds become there own character. As does every wound, gun blast, street light, rain.
Rendering an image with detail, flair and extreme light and shadow is becoming a lost art. Photoshop has let the penciler get a bit more free to NOT fill in dynamics. Why draw when you can filter it, blur it, paste it, patch it, clone it. Detail is in the CS brush now, not the inkers brush a lot of times. When the two fuse though. Artists that take an old school approach with the new coloring processes, it becomes incredible.
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yeah,
obviously an oversight to leave out foster, Wood and williamson;
but there's so many greats
I think I was trying to cover all the broad bases.
As for Liefeld... everyone has their strengths and weaknesses
Everything about Liefeld is in your face.
His sense of dynamic composition is brilliant in my opinion.
Call me a bleeding heart; but I wouldn't be surprised if his alleged *sshole nature isn't a defensive development in reaction to all the hate that is hurled his way.
Footage I've seen of him when he was younger... he didn't come off that way to me at all.
At any rate... I tend to make distinction between a craftsman's work and they as a person.
I would have accepted that opinion about Liefeld 20 years ago, but it doesn't hold up at all in 2012. He's out of his element now and he doesn't have the knowledge to hold his own with any of the other guys on your list.
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Well...
Actually I'm only meaning to refer to his work from 20 years ago.
I'm not really familiar with anything past I dunno... Youngblood?
When I think Liefeld I think X-Force; and that's about it.
I feel he was merely a gimmick. From Spike Lee, and 501 jeans. To basically being the Image comics Jimmy Olsen. I can't like or respect his work. With me, it's as simple as he was breaking every rule in the book while he was a Marvel paid talent. He did not draw backgrounds. And I mean NONE. He constantly hid his his feet, because he basically could not draw them. Everything was a medium shot or 3 quarter profile pic. Tons of eye close ups. To hide his lack of knowledge of muscular anatomical structure he placed bandoliers and pouches on everything, even animals. When his physical movement was awkward he gave the page movement with anime'ish speed lines, and lots of them. He was legendary for having to have to stream word balloons into the bleed as he cluttered the page with huge head shots and over done helmets and left little to no room for lettering. He has had a blessed life. There are 13 year old kids at a local con right now that can draw circles around him. They will probably never have a full time paying art gig. Let alone become world famous or be part owner of a huge comic company. Lucky stars Rob, count em'...
He was paid and paid well for this... It doesn't matter what the argument is, it just looks very amateurish. Regardless of how he got there.
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*shrugs*I feel he was merely a gimmick. From Spike Lee, and 501 jeans. To basically being the Image comics Jimmy Olsen. I can't like or respect his work. With me, it's as simple as he was breaking every rule in the book while he was a Marvel paid talent. He did not draw backgrounds. And I mean NONE. He constantly hid his his feet, because he basically could not draw them. Everything was a medium shot or 3 quarter profile pic. Tons of eye close ups. To hide his lack of knowledge of muscular anatomical structure he placed bandoliers and pouches on everything, even animals. When his physical movement was awkward he gave the page movement with anime'ish speed lines, and lots of them. He was legendary for having to have to stream word balloons into the bleed as he cluttered the page with huge head shots and over done helmets and left little to no room for lettering. He has had a blessed life. There are 13 year old kids at a local con right now that can draw circles around him. They will probably never have a full time paying art gig. Let alone become world famous or be part owner of a huge comic company. Lucky stars Rob, count em'...
He was paid and paid well for this... It doesn't matter what the argument is, it just looks very amateurish. Regardless of how he got there.
t'was never my intent to argue anything definitive.
In my opinion he is/was excellent - one of the best ever - at dynamic composition;
and so I list him as one of my faves in that context.
I can respect that you discount his strengths because he is weak in areas that you value more highly or whatever... (such as anatomy)
but I disagree.
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