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spidey976
09-07-2009, 02:57 PM
Here are your PUMMEL Wildcard Matches for Sept

Lightweights vs Middleweights

spidey976 vs NickGuy
JC Immortal vs VIM122
Anubis2kx vs thordad
thEbrEEze vs LatinoMachette
Captain All That vs ThreeEyesWorm

Middleweights vs Heavyweights

Jared Lee vs cold-blooded-angel
Popninja vs Dogsoldier
Archerion vs Dr. Baltar
asaru vs KrisDiaz
Taro Mochi vs Dri

TOPIC: Hellboy and Invincible, it could be a vs pic or a team up. It doesn't really matter but they must be prominent.

The Deadline: Sept 25th 2009, 11:59PM Eastern Standard Time

NickRocks
09-07-2009, 02:59 PM
what? i thought they were due on the 18th?

spidey976
09-07-2009, 03:01 PM
Nope ... the 25th ... and YES I did accidently have the 09 instead of 25

Archerion
09-07-2009, 04:48 PM
ah cool good to know i was curious and confused.

KrisDiaz
09-07-2009, 05:03 PM
im bout halfway done with mine, cept i forgot to draw invincible in,did other characters from that comic i guess

spidey976
09-07-2009, 05:06 PM
Well you had BETTER get him in there ... lol

KrisDiaz
09-07-2009, 05:40 PM
i suppose hes pretty important in this draw-off i just find the outfit a bit corny and cliche , i did conquest instead!

NickRocks
09-07-2009, 05:47 PM
damnit i was gonna have a conquest hellboy piece. :mad:

spidey976
09-07-2009, 06:37 PM
Well he has gotta be there ... I would hate to see you lose by DQ

Taro Mochi
09-07-2009, 09:11 PM
oh crap! Just got back to the boards! Last time I was on there was talk of the match-ups being automatic... Been away too long! :) Hmmm any suggestions... I'll have to think about it for few a hours... These matches are a sweet idea though!

*edit: Okay I choose krikkit13! Going to be tough (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/krikkit13/ScuddervMarshcolors2.jpg)! >_<
I sent him a PM and am waiting so see if he's busy or not. Anything else I need to do? Thanks!

*edit2: krikkit13 was too busy so I asked Dri who kindly accepted even though I think he's pretty busy himself. Thanks Dri!

spidey976
09-07-2009, 11:05 PM
oh crap! Just got back to the boards! Last time I was on there was talk of the match-ups being automatic... Been away too long! :) Hmmm any suggestions... I'll have to think about it for few a hours... These matches are a sweet idea though!

*edit: Okay I chose krikkit13! Going to be tough (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/krikkit13/ScuddervMarshcolors2.jpg)! >_<
I sent him a PM and am waiting so see if he's busy or not. Anything else I need to do? Thanks!

Nope ... you should be good ... a little late to the dance ... but good.

KrisDiaz
09-08-2009, 03:36 PM
may or may not add changes?

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee46/KrisDiaz23/pummelhb-inv.jpg

Chris Major
09-08-2009, 04:59 PM
To quote Neo: "...woah."

NickRocks
09-08-2009, 05:02 PM
wow thats early

KrisDiaz
09-08-2009, 05:26 PM
^ gimmie another 2-3 days and i'll have the heavyweight piece done, only got a few hours left on that one

Teratophile
09-08-2009, 06:46 PM
you should have merged those scenes in both Hellboy 2 and Invincible. The Antagonists (conquest and wink) getting their prosthetic limbs busted.

KrisDiaz
09-08-2009, 07:01 PM
thats a great idea^ i was originally gonna do a pic of hellboy arm wrestling conquest but gave up, actually i might drw wink and throw him in there so its a even 3on3

krikkit13
09-08-2009, 08:27 PM
oh crap! Just got back to the boards! Last time I was on there was talk of the match-ups being automatic... Been away too long! :) Hmmm any suggestions... I'll have to think about it for few a hours... These matches are a sweet idea though!

*edit: Okay I chose krikkit13! Going to be tough (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/krikkit13/ScuddervMarshcolors2.jpg)! >_<
I sent him a PM and am waiting so see if he's busy or not. Anything else I need to do? Thanks!

Hm, I guess this is kinda in bad form, but I'm seriously thinking about dropping out of PUMMEL following my competition with Kris this month (at least for the time being). I just started grad school, and I'm getting hammered with work, so I'm not really going to have time for draw offs. Is it ok if you select someone else?

I'm sorry to brush you off, as under normal circumstances I'd be really interested in seeing our two totally different styles do battle - plus I really enjoy your artwork.

NickRocks
09-08-2009, 08:35 PM
heres a marker rough...sorry im not totally done like kris"superfast"diaz

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/NickGuy_2006/scan0001-5.jpg

KrisDiaz
09-08-2009, 08:45 PM
thats a way better layout than what i got goin
and its not superfast, maybe "no life" or "nothing better 2 do anymore"diaz

spidey976
09-08-2009, 08:48 PM
Nicely done guys

thordad
09-08-2009, 09:26 PM
This is where I am at , still cant figure out how to work Invincible into the pic . I might scrap and start anew

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv357/Thordad/wildcard1.jpg

humblerthanyou
09-08-2009, 10:00 PM
If you can't think of anything to put them together, PM me, Thordad. I have a really great idea, but since I'm not in it, I acan't do it. :/

thordad
09-08-2009, 10:48 PM
OH , Thank you , Humbler . But Anubis2k is battling me to get a step up the ladder to middleweights , and I have to play this totally fair and by the book . So if I cant find inspiration for this on my own , then Anubis will deserve the victory and a step up the ladder :)

humblerthanyou
09-08-2009, 11:13 PM
Oh, you're a good guy there, Thordad.

Dri
09-09-2009, 12:10 AM
I won't have much time at all but I accepted Taro's challenge. A bit short notice. :(

KrisDiaz
09-09-2009, 06:27 PM
update
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee46/KrisDiaz23/pummelb20.jpg

ThreeEyesWorm
09-11-2009, 04:16 PM
Well since everyone's posting their WIP....

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2521/3909866395_5df184433e_o.jpg

thordad
09-11-2009, 04:46 PM
I found my inspiration , this should actually turn out pretty good

thordad
09-11-2009, 04:48 PM
Kris , that really does balance the piece more , nicely done too by the way :) This piece reminds me of Tim Vigils works are you a fan of Vigil ?

KrisDiaz
09-11-2009, 05:25 PM
Kris , that really does balance the piece more , nicely done too by the way :) This piece reminds me of Tim Vigils works are you a fan of Vigil ?

i actually never heard of him until doodledude said the same thing in my sketch blog and put up some samples to illistrate the point. I guess my work looks the same.....i kinda dont see it?

Manji
09-11-2009, 05:53 PM
Wow ThreeEyesWorm looking great so far

ThreeEyesWorm
09-12-2009, 02:42 PM
Wow ThreeEyesWorm looking great so far

Thanks. Gotta try to find time to work on it and the Middleweight piece though. ><

thEbrEEze
09-18-2009, 11:45 AM
So what happens if someone doesn't come through on the wildcard match. Hypothetically speaking of course. I'm almost done.

spidey976
09-20-2009, 04:53 PM
So what happens if someone doesn't come through on the wildcard match. Hypothetically speaking of course. I'm almost done.

Then you will be included in another match ... or at least against a different middleweight. I am not sure if it would be TWO lightweights against a middleweight ... or if you would just go against the next chosen. That is the reason for the common topic.

P.S. two days for Pummel .... 5 days for this ... oh NO ... I won't go insane ... lol

thEbrEEze
09-20-2009, 05:40 PM
P.S. two days for Pummel .... 5 days for this ... oh NO ... I won't go insane ... lol

Well you did have a whole month! lol!

spidey976
09-20-2009, 06:48 PM
LOL ... do you have kids ... lol. They suck up your time ... but give you so many amazing things in return. I will get these done ... just could use another week ... lol.

Dr. Baltar
09-21-2009, 10:44 PM
Archerion! Sneak peek fo youuuuuu!!!! Hahahahaha >D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/clarkspark/HvI-peek-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/clarkspark/HvI-peek-2-1.jpg

dfbovey
09-21-2009, 10:50 PM
Looking great man.

dfbovey
09-23-2009, 04:45 PM
So now that the ranked match polls are up and running, the first ever wildcard matches are about to take center stage!

Just a reminder that you entries are due Friday before 11:59pm eastern time.

You've got about 55 hours remaining!

Manji
09-23-2009, 04:46 PM
This should be really interesting and fun. Nickguy any predictions this time?

Archerion
09-23-2009, 04:48 PM
heh have to remind me ...I have to go against that bah hehe.

I wish i had more time,

VicM
09-23-2009, 04:57 PM
I've been mulling over ideas for the last few weeks. Today pencil will hit paper officially.

spidey976
09-24-2009, 10:24 PM
Okay ... a little over a day left guys. My line work is done ... rendering and a bit of a background and I am set.

cold-blooded-angel
09-25-2009, 08:05 AM
This has been a very bad week for me time-wise, freelance work can be killer. I will not have a piece ready in time for this. My apologies to Jared Lee and everyone else.

dfbovey
09-25-2009, 08:13 AM
That sucks. But it's also why we made it a uniform topic. Jared will be added to another poll for 3-way voting. Not ideal, but it's the only option.

It does however, count as a loss for you.

spidey976
09-25-2009, 09:16 AM
Dave ... just a quick question to double check. How long should we set these polls to run for tonight.

KrisDiaz
09-25-2009, 09:19 AM
damn that sucks for jared, because his opponent could not complete their pic he has to go into a 3way battle with is way more difficult to compete in. thats not fair at all.

Just an idea, why not have him pick 1 of the 4 remaining heavyweights and use that persons pic for both the poll they originally were in and in one againest jared so it will still be one on one,only problem now is the heavyweight has 2 matchs to win with the pic.

alfred183
09-25-2009, 09:24 AM
With Kris' idea, maybe only 1 loss would count for the heavyweight if he loses both?

KrisDiaz
09-25-2009, 09:28 AM
maybe, posibly since they would be a "substitute"

slam
09-25-2009, 09:42 AM
let's just let jared off easy and let's push him into the heavyweights ;) I want to climb the ladder of middleweight!!

alfred183
09-25-2009, 09:50 AM
Defeating two people at once is not enough, Slam!? haha

dfbovey
09-25-2009, 10:01 AM
I like your idea Kris. And we will role with that. He can pick from the 4 remaining heavyweights, but he's got to do it before the images are posted.

Spidey, would you mind PMing him about it? I'm at work and its difficult to do this on a blackberry.

As for what this would do to the substitute heavyweight record... Only their original match would count against their record. Wouldn't exactly be fair to them to have the same drawing count twice agianst an additional opponent they didn't know they were facing.

dfbovey
09-25-2009, 10:02 AM
Wildcard polls should run for 2 days.

Dri
09-25-2009, 11:01 AM
So a substitute heavyweight to replace cold-blooded? Doesn't seem
fair to Jared's potential opponent with such a short window of time.
Winning on a technicality isn't ideal I suppose.

dfbovey
09-25-2009, 11:25 AM
Dri, time really isn't an issue, because the substitute will have already been working on their pieces and had the same amount of time to work on theirs as Jared did. The substitute will be chosen from one of the 4 remaining heavyweights who were already chosen to participate as wildcards.

The only part of this that's unfair is that Jared won't be facing the opponent he chose.

Dri
09-25-2009, 11:35 AM
Dri, time really isn't an issue, because the substitute will have already been working on their pieces and had the same amount of time to work on theirs as Jared did. The substitute will be chosen from one of the 4 remaining heavyweights who were already chosen to participate as wildcards.

Ok, this is gonna sound silly but I custom made my entry to suit my challenger, Taro.
So if Jared chose me I'd have to redo the idea.

On another note, maybe better pmed but I was a second choice
wildcard person after someone turned down Taro. Is there going to
be some kind of rule where someone has to accept a challenge
because people are in the same boat of not having time. I know for me
not having time is choosing to do paid work rather than obliging a challenger.

dfbovey
09-25-2009, 11:48 AM
He's choosing an opponent from one of the 4 remaining heavyweights who were already chosen to participate in a wildcard match.

I guess I won't be able to make everyone happy with this one. But this is why everyone was made to draw the same subject, because I knew people would flake for one reason or another. It wouldn't be cool to give Jared no opportunity to advance because of a no show. Wouldn't be fair to allow him to advance due to a no show either.

Cold blooded accepted the challenge and once you bail this far into it, it leaves me with no other alternative but for me to count it as a loss.

If you have a conflict its appreciated that you say so up front. I understand that commissions and paid work are a priority, but its still a situation that can be avoided with a little communication.

Anthony ANMPH Hary
09-25-2009, 11:49 AM
This has been a very bad week for me time-wise, freelance work can be killer. I will not have a piece ready in time for this. My apologies to Jared Lee and everyone else.

If you want I can fill in against Jared and have a HBvsInv piece done by the 11:59pm DEADLINE.

Dri
09-25-2009, 11:53 AM
Okay, after reading this through I did edit my post before your last
reply, Dave. It looks like I have to be prepared to change mine. I'm the
weaker artist out of the 4 and Jared has already seen what Dr Baltar
and Kris and he'll be silly to want to challenge that.

dfbovey
09-25-2009, 11:56 AM
Thanks for the offer Anthony, but you aren't a heavyweight.

And like I said, Jared will be going against a piece from one of the other 4 heavyweights listed in the first post. Its not any extra work for anyone, as they've already been working on their entries.

dfbovey
09-25-2009, 12:01 PM
Dri, you wouldn't need to do that unless you want to. The 2nd match wouldn't count against your record, only the match against your original opponent would.

Anthony ANMPH Hary
09-25-2009, 12:03 PM
Thanks for the offer Anthony, but you aren't a heavyweight.

And like I said, Jared will be going against a piece from one of the other 4 heavyweights listed in the first post. Its not any extra work for anyone, as they've already been working on their entries.

I caught your post right when I posted mine. Totally cool! Hope Jared gets a good challenge.

Dr. Baltar
09-25-2009, 02:40 PM
Okay, after reading this through I did edit my post before your last
reply, Dave. It looks like I have to be prepared to change mine. I'm the
weaker artist out of the 4 and Jared has already seen what Dr Baltar
and Kris and he'll be silly to want to challenge that.

watchu talkin about, m8? ;)

NickRocks
09-25-2009, 02:41 PM
todays the final due date isnt it?

anyways...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3954200030_525e060167_o.jpg

ThreeEyesWorm
09-25-2009, 02:52 PM
Nickguy! Why did you totally slacked off on your picture!?

What time are the polls going up tonight? 12 EST? That's 9 PST right?

Doing this last minute. Lol.

NickRocks
09-25-2009, 02:59 PM
slack off? what? I was going for a mignola feel :confused:

alfred183
09-25-2009, 03:09 PM
http://www.ephotozine.com/articles/Post-Processing-HDR-images-6763/images/FMlevels-dialog.jpg

Manji
09-25-2009, 03:17 PM
http://www.ephotozine.com/articles/Post-Processing-HDR-images-6763/images/FMlevels-dialog.jpg

And you posted this because....?

alfred183
09-25-2009, 03:19 PM
I think Nick needs it

Popninja
09-25-2009, 05:41 PM
I won't be ready tonight either, but I promised myself, no matter what, I'm going to post what I've done up to that point.

KrisDiaz
09-25-2009, 05:56 PM
Okay, after reading this through I did edit my post before your last
reply, Dave. It looks like I have to be prepared to change mine. I'm the
weaker artist out of the 4 and Jared has already seen what Dr Baltar
and Kris and he'll be silly to want to challenge that.

I think next month we shouldnt post any off them till the last second in case the same no show thing happens,

DogSoldier
09-25-2009, 06:05 PM
I won't be ready tonight either, but I promised myself, no matter what, I'm going to post what I've done up to that point.

You want me to pm ya my pic ? ,, then you can post up the poll when your ready .

Popninja
09-25-2009, 06:21 PM
You want me to pm ya my pic ? ,, then you can post up the poll when your ready .

Sure. It will be up as close to deadline as possible, minus the time I'll need to scan it in and clean it up. Needless to say, I won't be advancing to the heavyweight division after this match.:(

alfred183
09-25-2009, 06:33 PM
Never give up! Never surrender! C'mon, Pop! Give it your best so you can move up! Not just saying that because we all move up, either. I think you can do it!

ThreeEyesWorm
09-25-2009, 06:49 PM
Here's mine. Going to PM Captain All That now.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3429/3954527628_92e209973c_o.jpg

Anubis2kx
09-25-2009, 06:55 PM
Three Eyes Worm, thats cool as hell. Here's mine...I don't feel like I'm gonna do much adjustments on it...cause I'm still kinda sick, and I was completely uninspired by the topic.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2521/3954503974_45160ef4c1_b.jpg

KrisDiaz
09-25-2009, 06:58 PM
Never give up! Never surrender! C'mon, Pop! Give it your best so you can move up! Not just saying that because we all move up, either. I think you can do it!

"No sacrifice, No victory" the ol witwicky moto!

Dr. Baltar
09-25-2009, 07:32 PM
I'm going out tonight to see Pandorum and won't be able to post the polls, Archerion, I will pm my pic to you to post polls. Thxs m8~! :cool:

Dri
09-25-2009, 07:35 PM
I won't be here at midnite. So if Taro wants to post the poll.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t253/everdri/72_hellboy_and_invincible_bydreee_P.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t253/everdri/72hellboy_and_invincible_bydreee_Pa.jpg

Dr. Baltar
09-25-2009, 07:38 PM
lmao Dri, thats too funny! XD

Manji
09-25-2009, 07:45 PM
Damn Three eyes that is sweet.

Dri
09-25-2009, 07:56 PM
Here's mine. Going to PM Captain All That now.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3429/3954527628_92e209973c_o.jpg

Damn! That's impressive


I'm going out tonight to see Pandorum and won't be able to post the polls, Archerion, I will pm my pic to you to post polls. Thxs m8~! :cool:

Dude, your work is insane! Just saw it on dA (http://clarkspark.deviantart.com/art/Hellboy-and-Invincible-Team-up-138229279).

Archerion
09-25-2009, 09:02 PM
I have the Docs ill have our polls up shortly

dfbovey
09-25-2009, 11:00 PM
You guys have an hour left.

Some really strong entries so far! Lets keep them rolling in :)

dfbovey
09-25-2009, 11:29 PM
30 minutes!

Taro Mochi
09-25-2009, 11:55 PM
uploading mine now... computer is a little slow though
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/267/inviciblehell.jpg

spidey976
09-25-2009, 11:56 PM
Here's mine

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/spidey976/HellboyInvincibleFinaldialogue.jpg

Just need another minute to decide if I like the text

Jared Lee
09-26-2009, 12:03 AM
Ran out of time.
I'll post the poll , whem CBA posts.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/AlphaProto/Untitled-1.jpg

thordad
09-26-2009, 12:03 AM
Uploading , Anubis2k and my poll will be up in just a couple

dfbovey
09-26-2009, 12:05 AM
I think if you're going to add text, make sure in enhances the image. Right now, it's visually bringing your image down and cheapens it. Should really be in word balloons with a more appropriate font choice.

KrisDiaz
09-26-2009, 12:07 AM
^ any element you add to a picture should compliment or enhance it whether it be inks to your pencils, colors to it,and in this case words and lettering.

Taro Mochi
09-26-2009, 12:12 AM
guess I'll post up the poll.

dfbovey
09-26-2009, 12:17 AM
Ran out of time.
I'll post the poll , whem CBA posts.

You'll need to read through this thread.

The short of it, is that you need to pick between Dri, Dr. Baltar, Dog Soldier or KrisDiaz to go up against because CBA won't be making it.

Jared Lee
09-26-2009, 12:18 AM
You'll need to read through this thread.

The short of it, is that you need to pick between Dri, Dr. Baltar, Dog Soldier or KrisDiaz to go up against because CBA won't be making it.

Oooooh.....

Ok then Dri

dfbovey
09-26-2009, 12:45 AM
So far, 4 out of the five lightweights seem to have a legit shot and making it through to the middleweight division. Some really competitive matches there!

Hangman
09-26-2009, 01:04 AM
lol!If everyone advances I'm def in 1st place!Ha!

dfbovey
09-26-2009, 01:07 AM
Yeah, I see you moving up soon anyway as long as you can manage to participate regularly.

Wildcard matches definitely have the potential to shake things up.

Anthony ANMPH Hary
09-26-2009, 09:11 AM
some really great art posted, Nice work everyone!

Hangman
09-26-2009, 04:53 PM
I'm happy for those that are going to move up into lightweight. But the thought did strike me that this does affect the lightweight division greatly. is it good that sooo much talent is leaving? I certainly don't plan on staying a lightweight (its not an ego thing...I just think I can reach higher levels).

So does it really matter that up to 5 ppl could be leaving the division? that's a lot of talent leaving and I really hadnt thought about it before. I was looking forward to taking on these artists as a lightweight and now they could all be gone.

should we find ways to replenish divisions when there is so much talent leaving? or consider moving ppl in the higher division down when they are not meeting expectations( i think its done in some soccer and hockey leagues)?

dfbovey
09-26-2009, 05:02 PM
The good thing is that there's always new people joining PUMMEL.

I think there's close to 10 weigh in polls that need to be processed for October and there are a few lightweights in that crop. While some people will be jumping to a new weight class, each weight class should always have a steady influx of new talent through the weigh in process.

So I'm not worried about attrition yet. As long as there are 14 or more participants in a division, I think it's healthy.

Wildcards also only take place once every 3 months. If it becomes like a flood gate scenario I can always make the time between wildcard months longer.

Solace
09-26-2009, 05:14 PM
should we find ways to replenish divisions when there is so much talent leaving? or consider moving ppl in the higher division down when they are not meeting expectations( i think its done in some soccer and hockey leagues)?

That makes sense to me. It should serve as a good buffer, for both low weights who catch a pass (going up against a higher ranked opponent who doesn't really put out in the wildcard) or who may have a strong ranking piece but can't produce on the level regularly.

Maybe anyone who loses two wildcards in a time frame (I'd assume people who are beaten once will naturally be called out again) drop a rank and have to re ascend. Not a punishment thing, but just to keep the ranks balanced.

Otherwise we risk getting really top heavy in the middle and heavyweights. Then again, maybe it was always intended to end up that way?

dfbovey
09-26-2009, 05:23 PM
It was always intended that if one weight class became too large that we would consider adding a weight class. We just started with 3 classes to initiate the league and have a solid starting point.

It was never in the plans to knock people down in rank. If people want to move down on their own accord then it's not a request I would deny.

I think ideally, all the classes would have between 14-20 people. When it comes time to add a class, I will have to think hard on how to do it as seemlessly as possible.

Hangman
09-26-2009, 05:30 PM
im worried that the lightweight division will become an afterthought. Im a 30 yr old SVA grad who is finding this league very helpful. Imagine what it can do for the younger/less experienced artists! But if the lightweight division fails I fear that new talent will loose interest or if lightweight is nixed(it almost happened in July with the no-shows), that new talent might not be able to thrive in the middleweight. I understand this is just for fun for many but I also see this as an opportunity to help new and old artist get better.

KrisDiaz
09-26-2009, 05:31 PM
if you add a class put it between heavy and middle. There a bunch of middle wieghts that can bump with most of the heavies(myself included)

spidey976
09-26-2009, 05:47 PM
That or a feather weight class might be a stronger option. There is a wide variety of different talent levels between the lightweights, and I sometimes think it makes ranking people difficult.

dfbovey
09-26-2009, 06:17 PM
I'd have to look at it more in depth. But it would most likely be a split of the middleweight division since its the largest. The upper half becoming Light-heavyweight and the bottom half staying mid.

slam
09-26-2009, 06:39 PM
I agree with the featherweight option. Move lightweights into featherweight, except for the top dogs, they stay in lightweight. Then move down some middleweights to lightweight. I mean lightweight shouldn't sound like it's embarassing.

Anthony ANMPH Hary
09-26-2009, 08:05 PM
Could also have a division for those artist who do color, as some artist dont do color, or when they do they ruin their picture.

Also people are just more inclined to like a colored piece over a black / white piece on average. I for my part know that my coloring is not that good and if I was seriouslly trying to win a fight, unless it was a color challenge, I would likely not color anything.

Just a thought.

But I do think it would make more sense if it took more then one wildcard win to move up a level. Could take two wins to go from light to middle, and 3 or 4 wins to go from middle to heavy. Really make it a challenge.

spidey976
09-26-2009, 08:42 PM
I think the light heavyweight class would be a great oppinion. That way no one feels insulted as they are knocked down a level ... or back down a level. Speaking for myself I wouldn't want to be the guy who one THREE (though it isn't going to happen ... lol), and then be knocked back down.


Could also have a division for those artist who do color, as some artist dont do color, or when they do they ruin their picture.

Also people are just more inclined to like a colored piece over a black / white piece on average. I for my part know that my coloring is not that good and if I was seriouslly trying to win a fight, unless it was a color challenge, I would likely not color anything.

Just a thought.

But I do think it would make more sense if it took more then one wildcard win to move up a level. Could take two wins to go from light to middle, and 3 or 4 wins to go from middle to heavy. Really make it a challenge.

I think a division with ONLY coloured art would just add to much confusion here. There are three divisions and trust me they take a lot of managing; a fourth would be doable ... but a fifth (colours), sixth (sequentials), seventh (inks) ... well you get my drift. Also Anthony I would suggest that you go through the Rules and Regulations thread to familuarize yourself with some of the different ways to advance and the reasoning http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93931 . The wildcards matches are a reward for being in the TOP 5 of your class ... also there is the 3 win rules ( as champ or against a higher ranked individual). The reasoning for these rules is pretty simple actually. Given the number of ranked matches you would have to win to move from the bottom of a division to the top ... it could take you a year or two to do it successfully. So Dave added the other methods.

dfbovey
09-26-2009, 09:22 PM
I'm not even looking at it from a bruised ego standpoint though. I just look at the league the way it is, and its pretty logical that when a split does happen it should be the middleweights. Its going to have a guestimated 30 people or more pretty soon.it just makes the most sense.

dfbovey
09-26-2009, 09:30 PM
Pummel has also been about doing the best you can do, whether it be color, sequentials or black and white. I think it works the way it is in that regard.

And like Spidey said. Its already tough to manage. I'd only be interested in expanding if its absolutely needed.

Popninja
09-27-2009, 09:29 AM
So, the lower division guys who won their matches go up a division. But the higher division guys that lost don't go down a division, do they?

Tragikdj911
09-27-2009, 09:49 AM
so wildcard matches don't close till the 29th? now that we're all going to have to wait a little longer to find out next month's match up, are there going to be any adjustments to due dates for PRM?

dfbovey
09-27-2009, 10:16 AM
The wild card matches end today. Polls for wild card matches should only run for 2 days.

Pop, nope, higher ranks don't go down a division if they lose.