What to do about the lightweight division?

[dfbovey]

So, this is really embarrassing for me, and very irritating. It's the first month of PUMMEL... and barely half of the 29 possible matches ever made it to poll. Only 3 completed matches were posted up for voting in the Lightweight division. The #1 and #2 ranked guys didn't show. The middleweights fared a bit better with about half their matches making it to poll.

This leaves me with a pretty big problem to solve and I don't want my anger to be a part of the decision making process. Really I put a lot of effort into organizing this thing and I take it as a bit of a slap in the face that this happened. And it also makes me wonder if that work was worth it, or if it will be fulfilling for me to continue to organize this at this rate. My first thought is that if this is how it starts off, it'll only get worse as it goes. A 50% completion rate would really be pathetic if that's how it's going to be every month!

But anyways...

On to the Lightweight problem. Here are the solutions I came up with...

#1 The lightweight division gets blown up. There will be a big group draw off to declare a new lightweight champion, and completely reorganize the rankings in that division. This will replace the monthly ranked matches for August only. And then we continue lightweight ranked matches when the dust settles in September.

#2 We just count all the no shows as losses and move on, declaring Anubis2kx the new champion because he's the only one who submitted an entry out of the top 4 lightweights. The piece is nice and championship worthy. And I feel if he keeps that up he'd advance to middleweight very soon.

I'm going to let the general public decide the fate of the division.

[davechisholm]

i'm sure there will be months like this all over.
personally, i'm pretty underwhelmed with the level of competition this month in ANY rank. it will pick up again--maybe some of the lightweight people felt like they were sitting at the kids table and were put off by it?
either way, i wouldn't sweat it.
we're all on deviantart. maybe we should try to recruit a bit with some choicely worded journal entries.

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

I'm really sorry I felt like crap forfeiting but my pen refills have yet to come in the mail and without either them or color I'm only half a man.

[dfbovey]

If people want to promote it outside of penciljack, that's fine. That's not where my efforts will be though. We have enough people who said they wanted to participate, and just aren't seeing it through.

I will say this. 50% participation isn't going to be worth my time and effort. If it stays this way, PUMMEL won't last long as a feature of the Proving Grounds. At least not with me running it.

[Dri]

The second option sounds good. The no shows in draw offs are
plentiful and pretty disrespectful imo. Given the amount of time
(1 month) and some of those people have put works in the swords
and sorcery DO but not submitting for pummel.

I dont think giving second chances solves any problems. You'll
get a lot of reasons and excuses.

EDIT: And TK just proved it! FFS just submit pencils.

[Archerion]

Maybe have the champion pick the topic for the division so if there is a no show u still can pit two ppl against eachother also I think if your a no show there should be a bigger penaltiy like four or five slots instead of too.
I pesonally like it changed into a big ladder for ppl to fight to the top because right now with People just putting up a poll and getting pit into devisions and missing the inital seeding ppl kinda feel cheated since they had to earn where they were and ppl just pass them in a vote.

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

I don't like my pencils Dri, I don't like them at all. Is there a stage in your art where you just go "ugh I hate this, this needs something" ? because I know we all have it, that stage for me is pencils if I don't have ink or color its just complete crap to me and if I'm gonna submit crap I don't see any reason to submit at all.

[Dri]

Well if that's your train of thought that sux. Consider that street
fight you had with Chris Major. Now imagine you are him and you
drew something with a challenge in mind only for the opponent
to pull out and say he ran out of supplies. Dude, use ballpoint pens,
paint, whatever. At least you learn from trying something. You
will get over the sucking part.

[davechisholm]

I don't like my pencils Dri, I don't like them at all. Is there a stage in your art where you just go "ugh I hate this, this needs something" ? because I know we all have it, that stage for me is pencils if I don't have ink or color its just complete crap to me and if I'm gonna submit crap I don't see any reason to submit at all.

so work on them until you like them! time will make them better. take the time.

[dfbovey]

because right now with People just putting up a poll and getting pit into devisions and missing the inital seeding ppl kinda feel cheated since they had to earn where they were and ppl just pass them in a vote.

There's no other way to do it, it's either weigh ins or we don't allow new participants into PUMMEL. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to put a guy like Inkthinker at the bottom of the lightweight division. It wouldn't even be fun to watch those matches. The whole point of weight classes it to pit people of equal skill level against each other.

[ArmstrongArts]

TK- maybe spend more time with each one and do less stuff. I know you had other issues this week too.

DFBovey- I am cool with what ever you decide, but it looks like blowing it up might be your best option. Since I am the lowest light weight left I would never get a choice of topics, So I am game for Archerion's suggestion too.

[dfbovey]

Maybe have the champion pick the topic for the division so if there is a no show u still can pit two ppl against eachother also I think if your a no show there should be a bigger penaltiy like four or five slots instead of too.

That's definitely something to consider.

[ArmstrongArts]

There's no other way to do it, it's either weigh ins or we don't allow new participants into PUMMEL. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to put a guy like Inkthinker at the bottom of the lightweight division. It wouldn't even be fun to watch those matches. The whole point of weight classes it to pit people of equal skill level against each other.

The way it is isn't bad. It is really the only "workable' way. THe ppl that entered Late, like Inkthinker, did earn his position. he earned it by working on his skills for years and we voted him into his weight class, the bottom of that class. Just like me.

[Manji]

yeah I also like the idea of having no shows drop further than two spots. It would not only push people but also weed them out as well as allowing those who enter to move up quicker etc.

Don't lose heart just yet, the PUMMEL series is still in the infant stages and is still a learning experience for all at this point. Were you able to get any recruits to help deal with each division? If so just have the leader of the lightweights break out the whip. ;)

[ArmstrongArts]

I do think a lot could be that we are in the middle of summer vacations. We all thank you for what you are doing Dave. this is just a little glitch in the system.

[hadesillustrations]

I'm very dissappointed in no shows. I can't believe there were this many either - really, it's a shock. I've been pumped to get my piece done (I felt terrible for not having it done earlier!) and I've been using this one-on-one competition to really push myself. Facing some of the best artists on this site has made me learn more about my own skills. It seems the folks that no show aren't of the same mind - maybe not all of them - but really, 3 weeks to get one drawing done isn't bad. I say blow it up and start from scratch, though commitments still won't be guaranteed. I just hate to see you do more work than you need Dave. You've already done a tremendous job and I know we all appreciate it.

[blamito]

I think the no-shows getting dropped more then two spots is an excellent idea. I mean, we had a baby 6 days ago(he was 2 weeks early so he messed up my drawing schedule plan), and yesterday was basically spent changing diapers/helping the wife and working on my piece. And though I ended up with just a single figure that looked better in pencil(I had a BG sketched, but scrapped it) I'm glad I got something in.

[dfbovey]

I like the idea of no shows dropping more than 2 spots. Lets hear how many spots you think would be fair if we went with this in the future.

3-4?

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

eh I'm nearly at the bottom anyways so dropping more than a spot works fine by me.

[ArmstrongArts]

I mean, we had a baby 6 days ago(he was 2 weeks early so he messed up my drawing schedule plan),

CongratZ

I think 4 spots is fine but maybe with excused absences. I realize that 3 weeks is a lot of time but maybe having a baby or death in the family is the 2 spot variety, but then again ppl might just "kill" off their grandparents 4 times each.

We really still have more then half the light weights here. We could just take the pieces that every one did for this and do a new lightweight poll like DfBovey is talking about. Or just do new pictures like TK is going to need to do. I kinda like the idea of everyone drawing the same topic to be ranked.....just thinking out loud. .......back to work.

[blamito]

I'm for a high punishment. In comics, you lose your job if you miss your dead lines.

But, I also think the rank loss should be less if you bow out within a reasonable amount of time. Like you'll only lose a spot or two if you say you can't participate for the month withing the first week or so. MIAs and dropping out in the last day should not be tollerated. It's all good practice, but there's no reason to make someone else put all that work into something.

[davechisholm]

you miss a round without giving at least a week's notice and you get kicked out of pummel (including street fights) for 2 months?
and then the person you left hanging has a week to compete in the next up pummel, making it a three person battle, with no repercussions if they choose not to join (the three person battle)? i dunno.

[alfred183]

I think the following might work:

If a participant has a no show, partner him up with the next closest participant that also is a no-show. That way the effort and time of the ones who showed doesn't get wasted.

Drop the no shows three/four spots.

Two consecutive no-shows gets you kicked out.
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TK, just color your pencils like I do lol
Ever tried Manga Studio? I was very disappointed to not see an entry from you :-/

[sadman2000]

I don't think we should even reward the people that didn't even submit their pic on time. I think we should go by the current LW polls to declare #1 and push every person that broke a rule(s) no matter how minor down to the bottom. I share your pain. I want this to keep going, I haven't had this much motivation to draw in a long, long time.

[zazenD15C]

If I may say so, I would love to be at that kid's table.
I haven't stepped up to be weighed in yet, but would have no problem being beat over and over (it will make me better).

Farther falls for no shows. Maybe even banishment after a few consecutive no shows
Figuring out a way to get two ppl who have been stood up to go against each other?
It always sucks to put alot of effort into something just to have others ignore it or blow it off.

I say save it and give it another chance

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

TK, just color your pencils like I do lol
Ever tried Manga Studio? I was very disappointed to not see an entry from you :-/

man if only, like I said I need either color or ink to be satisfied with my work and I was pretty sure me and Cabbage agreed to no color.

Sorry to dissapoint guys I'll see what I can do to make my pencils more pleasing to my eyes.


like my vote would say, I'm up for a huge 1 topic drawoff and as a suggestion to make that option more fair for those who didn't cop out for stupid reasons (unlike myself) whoever had a stupid reason should start of with 10- votes or something like that. But it doesn't look like that drawoff is gonna happen eitherways so EH.

[humblerthanyou]

I think 4 spots is fine but maybe with excused absences. I realize that 3 weeks is a lot of time but maybe having a baby or death in the family is the 2 spot variety, but then again ppl might just "kill" off their grandparents 4 times each.

We really still have more then half the light weights here. We could just take the pieces that every one did for this and do a new lightweight poll like DfBovey is talking about. Or just do new pictures like TK is going to need to do. I kinda like the idea of everyone drawing the same topic to be ranked.....just thinking out loud. .......back to work.

I've got it! They have to produce the body with a timestamp on it. You know, pics or it didn't happen.

Or, we could all give our best piece thtat we have. So that no one has any excuse for not submitting.

[g0b1in]

These past few months have been tremendously hectic for me and I've been left with little time to draw or even be online. Still, with my last two entries, I've forgone a night's sleep in order to turn out an entry!

No-shows are completely unacceptable and disrespectful...not to mention irritating. Blowing up the lightweight division sounds tempting. However, this early in the game, I think it'd be unfair to those who've shown genuine commitment.

Drop the no-showers more spots. More than one no-show, kick them out!

[NickRocks]

I just want to say I have mucho respect for Johnny Blaque, I accidentally told him via PM the deadline was the 29th (my bad) and he still scratched out a pretty dope pic for the draw-off. Id positive rep him more if i could.

[Anubis2kx]

It kinda sucks that some people who are in the lightweight division complained and moaned about it, when you're supposed to let your art speak for itself. And instead of producing something to showcase that you can hold more than your own, you're a no show. I dunno...maybe I'm kinda upset too that it feels like only a handful of us lightweights even put forth the effort. Honestly, Dave, you can do what you want to do either way, just know that I still want to participate. And I definitely appreciate the other lightweights who participate this time around as well. Have any of the people who've been no shows even been on the board recently? Weren't they aware of the tournament?

[dfbovey]

Don't lose heart just yet, the PUMMEL series is still in the infant stages and is still a learning experience for all at this point. Were you able to get any recruits to help deal with each division? If so just have the leader of the lightweights break out the whip. ;)

That's one of the really odd things. The one guy I had targeted to help me out and be a commissioner at some point was one of the no shows. Spidey976. What baffles me even more is it was a no show for an actual championship match. I don't understand how both competitors in a championship match can drop the ball like this.

[alfred183]

Spidey976 hasn't been here in like two weeks. Hope everything is ok.

[dfbovey]

Spidey976 hasn't been here in like two weeks. Hope everything is ok.

Yeah, definitely!

[slam]

I have another question though. How do you climb ranks? Is the only way to go up by winning your match every month? So it would take about 6 months of consecutive wins to get to the top?Since street fights only count as tie breakers.

Anyway about the no shows. Dont blow up the whole division, I mean if after 3 weeks people didnt deliver a piece for this month's pummel. Would you think they'd deliver a piece for a new ranking? Haha. I think there was a bigger problem in the lightweigth division because maybe some of these artists are beginners and maybe not as commited as the other divisions. Not generalising, but I've seen people weighed in that just seem to draw occasionaly...no disrespect. There's lots of guys in that lightweight division that would clean the floor with me.

What about changing the weigh in policy. Have a floater class, who have to challenge each other. They have to do 2 matches within that class. Then post these two images for the weigh in. At ealst they already tasted what the pummel is like and will know if they can commit or not.

[Hangman]

As someone who was a no show I have to say that I believe in the whole give proper notice or get dropped more than two spots. I left mine till last minute because I was trying to land a job. So I had 3 days till the deadline and last minute problems arose that stopped me from posting on time. I really should have dropped out once I saw that the job would complicate the PUMMEL fight. I take resposibility for my actions and I do believe dropping more than 2 spots is fair.

[ArmstrongArts]

Slam-As far as blowing up and starting over the ppl that are still here would be the one "redoing" the weight class not the ones that missed other than TK and Hangman probably.

[StrayTanGenT]

Just murder everyone in the lightweights and throw the bodies into a wood chipper.

[Inkthinker]

NO MERCY.

(yeah, that'll never come back to bite me. :D )

Seriously, a no-show is a no-play and a forfeit. I thought the rules were clear on that. Though without enough participants, it seems like it might just be worth folding the entire lightweight division into the middleweights.

[Da-Dragonslayer]

I don't like my pencils Dri, I don't like them at all. Is there a stage in your art where you just go "ugh I hate this, this needs something" ? because I know we all have it, that stage for me is pencils if I don't have ink or color its just complete crap to me and if I'm gonna submit crap I don't see any reason to submit at all.

First off you have potential but you will waste a lot of time by not realising these moments. This is the time where you look at your work and take in your weaknesses and say well damn if weak pencils prevent me from my art then I need to improve on them. These are the moments that make you better. Frazetta had arthritis in his right hand. That's the hand he drew with and he learned to use his left hand to draw, correction paint. The work we see from him now is from his left hand can you beleive it. That is stepping up. You are what you think my man. My girl used to tell me there are no "can'ts" and fellas not in that department ok (It's with taking out the garbage). It's all about honing your skills and showing up. Even if a minute late at least you got there.

Show and prove.

[ryanarmstrong]

im about to be a lightweight and its getting blown up? im so confused

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

First off you have potential but you will waste a lot of time by not realising these moments. This is the time where you look at your work and take in your weaknesses and say well damn if weak pencils prevent me from my art then I need to improve on them. These are the moments that make you better. Frazetta had arthritis in his right hand. That's the hand he drew with and he learned to use his left hand to draw, correction paint. The work we see from him now is from his left hand can you beleive it. That is stepping up. You are what you think my man. My girl used to tell me there are no "can'ts" and fellas not in that department ok (It's with taking out the garbage). It's all about honing your skills and showing up. Even if a minute late at least you got there.

Show and prove.

I am working on it, but on the other hand I find it rather pointless because aslong as I have ink I can use ink to make a finished piece my pencils will never be anything I will be extremely proud of because I've never been a huge fan of pencil art in general. But I am working on making them Okay.

[Physicdesigns]

As a no show this month myself, i think maybe you should add a steeper penalty like 3 to 4 drop, that way its better to participate and lose than not to participate at all, or/and a limit on the amount of times you can no show without supsension or something like that. That said i think in a leaugue like this your never gonna get 100% participation all the time people have things to do, and sometimes they just screw up.

I make no excuses for my lack of work this month, regardless of what is going on i could have done something, sometimes thats how things go though

[Deth]

I was a no show I had alot goin on like moving and comic con. But its my opinion that if you no show you should start back at rock bottom and move everyone that did show up in rank. I know that sounds steep but I think its only fair to those who cared enough to show up.

[finfito]

I was the lower seed in the matchups. I got mine done and ready but the higher seed was a no show, so there was no poll thread. what to do in this case? start a thread without the higher seed?

[spidey976]

That's one of the really odd things. The one guy I had targeted to help me out and be a commissioner at some point was one of the no shows. Spidey976. What baffles me even more is it was a no show for an actual championship match. I don't understand how both competitors in a championship match can drop the ball like this.

Dude I PMed you my entry on July 10th because I was going to be away on vacation in the BUSH for 2 weeks away from the internet... and I discussed this with you back in JUNE. I am in NO way a no show and I DIDN'T drop the ball. I am really sorry if you didn't get the PM or if you didn't notice see it, but here is a print scree to prove what I am saying. Check the Recipents line in the top left and there you are.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/spidey976/PrintScreenDave.jpg

Also, here is my entry.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/spidey976/JusticeLeagueAvengersFinal1_edited-.jpg

I don't mean to sound like a dick ... but you didn't even PM me about this before you started throwing insults my way. Next time please check with me. Also, if Thrash is a no show ... and I PMed him too before I left that would mean that I am the NEW Champ right??

P.S.

Here is the PM string where we discussed this


Sure, you can PM the image to me and I'll post it or PM it to Thrash the day of the deadline.

You guys can arrange whatever you want as far as getting started early.

No worries :)


So ... I just realized I have a bit of a problem for the next round of PUMMEL. I have about 4 days to work on a final piece here at home ... and I actually was wondering if I could send you my piece for the next round on the 9th or 10th to make sure that it gets up for the round ... I know I could ask Thrash ... but I would like to surprise him .

Also ... just a quick question ... I was wondering when the topics for the ranking rounds will be posted ... can they go up early if the results for a DO are clear .. lets face it we both know I am going to lose this round ... and honestly it only bothers me because I couldn't bring a complete piece. If the topic can go up early then I would have a few extra days to the next piece up.

Oh and sorry for the drama this morning ... I was tired and came off as a jerk ... so sorry again.

Shawn

P.S. Let me know what help you need in the next little bit ... that way I can get started on figuring out what I need to do.

[Dri]

Good man, Spidey976. I'm pretty sure Dave had a full inbox to
overlook such a thing. I know Kris and I sent him PMs too. So there
must be quite a few pummelers in that regard.

[dfbovey]

Yeah,

Sorry I missed your PM and I'm also sorry if you took anything I said as a personal insult. To be honest I get 8-10 PMs about PUMMEL a day, most of them questions that would be answered if people took time to read the rules threads. So stuff like that is pretty easy to get lost in the shuffle, and no I can't check with everyone who might not have turned in an entry to see what's going on. I don't have that kind of time. If more than half of the lightweight division doesn't show up I'm not going to send each individual a probing PM to see what's going on. That won't work in my reality.

From now on, if you're going on vacation, post your work in the challenge thread and PM it to your opponent. I barely have the time to run PUMMEL as a whole, let alone organize and keep track of art for matches that I'm not involved in. That's just the way it's gotta be from this point forward.

So, Spidey976... that would actually make you the champion of the lightweight division. With Anubis being the 2nd seed.

[alfred183]

Congrats, Spidey976!!

[dfbovey]

Also, from this there will be a stiffer penalty for no shows. Instead of dropping 2 ranks as a normal loss, it will drop you 4 ranks. And if you do it twice in a row you will drop to the bottom of the division, and you won't be able to participate in ranked matches again until you complete a street fight to show good intentions.

[alfred183]

That sounds fair. I doubt anyone would disagree.

[spidey976]

Yeah,

Sorry I missed your PM and I'm also sorry if you took anything I said as a personal insult.

From now on, if you're going on vacation, post your work in the challenge thread and PM it to your opponent.

So, Spidey976... that would actually make you the champion of the lightweight division. With Anubis being the 2nd seed.

I will get over it Dave.

As for being Champ ... this is not the way I wanted it ... but I have been hankering to take Anubis on again. So I will get him a topic as soon as I can think of one.

Now I will still gladly help you out as I have been saying for almost two months. This is obviously a monster of an undertaking, and I want to help you keep it going as it is one of the BEST things going on PJ right now IMO. So I will take over the organization of the lightweight ranks if you want me to, and if you want I will even enforce the rules. Just PM what I need.

[Anubis2kx]

As for being Champ ... this is not the way I wanted it ... but I have been hankering to take Anubis on again. So I will get him a topic as soon as I can think of one.


Its on like Donkey Kong!! Glad to see you're still in it man.

[ArmstrongArts]

So just as a recap. (PM me if i missed anything) I feel like this stuff is getting out of hand. so of the 20 in the lightwieght division.

These guys had pieces ready....that is 12.
Spidey976
Anubus
JCImmortal
Captain
Finfito
Blamito
Stray Tangent
Sadman2000
humble
Cabbage
AA
APHillard

ETI- pulled out earlier
Hangman, TeleK and Russette Had good reasons and apologized

So it isn't really that bad, can we just move on and stop bashing the Whole division?

[cabbage300]

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That's what i'm feeling, i worked my butt off to get a piece done and if it counted for nothing it'd be a real shame.

EDIT: Btw dbovey where is the ranking of the lightweight division cos i wan't to see where i stand

[dfbovey]

So it isn't really that bad, can we just move on and stop bashing the Whole division?

Maybe the broad brushing of the entire division isn't fair.

But... In my opinion, yeah... that's a pretty dismal turn out. 3 matches out of 10 seeing completion is a really bad ratio. 12 out of 20 participants taking time to complete an entry is a bit better, but it's still pretty bad.

[ArmstrongArts]

Ya I am not saying it wasn't a collossal $%^#, but I thought I would put things in perspective. If the match-ups fell a different way we would have had 6 matches out of ten. I wanted to make sure ppl realized that not everyone that was in a non posted match was a no show. and lets be realistic there was no shows and drop outs at every level. That is just something we have to deal with, we all have lives that are more important in the large picture. Having said that, I think we cleared the air. You were justified in your consternation the guilty parties have been rebuffed and apologized. Now it is time to move on and make this thing as successful as we can. There is no need for others to pile on.

There are a bunch of new guys that can be shuffled in and we go again. We are all just doing this to have fun right, even tho Bovey is doing most of the work for it. ;)

[thordad]

I dissagree with you Armstrongarts , I was penalized a loss in Street fights because of technical difficulties I could not post in time , I lost the respect of my challenger , there were PMs between all three parties { myself the challenger and the moderator } ( now mind you I had some one duck out last minute on a challenge with me , but they did let the thread know { would have been nice to receive a message on it personally but thats neither here nor there } )
If that kind of consequence is adhered to in street fights then a stiffer penalty should be welcomed in monthly ranking matches.
yes this is all volunteer /self motivated work we are doing but if you take away or dont enforce any penalty , why wouldnt everyone ditch when life was getting tough
This isnt life this is an aside to your life until such time you are lucky enough to make your art your life .
When you post a piece you hope to command respect for all the effort you put forth into it . Like wise if your playing the game have an equal respect for all the effort others have put in to putting it together ( that includes your fellow challenger who is working very hard to challenge your art with theirs )

( longwinded but necessary , I believe )

[ArmstrongArts]

Ok this post is just to Help out Bovey a little since there are posts all over the place.

PM Me if I miss anything....

I take it that all the people that did somethign this round are game for the next.

Spidey976
Anubus
JCImmortal
Captain All That
Finfito
Blamito
Stray Tangent
Sadman2000
humblerthanyou
Cabbage300
ArmstrongArts
APHillard

others...
ThrashArt----last post 06/29
Makoi-----last posted on 07/05
ETI ----Pulled out
Selkirk-----last post 07/07
Hangman---- In for nexted round/(drops4)
theBreeze----Last post 07/20 hasn't posted about Pummel
C.WilliamRussette-----Bad PC pulled out of next round/(Drops4)
Telekinetic Ketchup- Still in it, just missed that one /(drops4)


The new guys: not sure if they are wanting to do the ranked matchs or not, but they should.
RyanArmstrong
Eric_Blitz

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

I'm definately game for the drawoff got my inks ready to roll baby. ....I wish that made sense it would be so much cooler that way.

[ArmstrongArts]

I dissagree with you Armstrongarts , I was penalized a loss in Street fights because of technical difficulties I could not post in time , I lost the respect of my challenger , there were PMs between all three parties { myself the challenger and the moderator } ( now mind you I had some one duck out last minute on a challenge with me , but they did let the thread know { would have been nice to receive a message on it personally but thats neither here nor there } )
If that kind of consequence is adhered to in street fights then a stiffer penalty should be welcomed in monthly ranking matches.
yes this is all volunteer /self motivated work we are doing but if you take away or dont enforce any penalty , why wouldnt everyone ditch when life was getting tough
This isnt life this is an aside to your life until such time you are lucky enough to make your art your life .
When you post a piece you hope to command respect for all the effort you put forth into it . Like wise if your playing the game have an equal respect for all the effort others have put in to putting it together ( that includes your fellow challenger who is working very hard to challenge your art with theirs )

( longwinded but necessary , I believe )

I am not saying that being a no show is good....reread what I said. I said that shit happens, like Jobs and computer issues. I agree with the loss on 4 places for a no show. It is still a no show. Personally I would go even farther for the ppl that just didn't bother to mention they couldn't do the piece. Drop them all the way to the bottom, but I think what DFBovey is doing should do the trick.

I am just saying we all were pissed, now we (Bovey) has a plan, so we can stop doing this shit and move on to the next round.

[thordad]

I understand your dismay ( all of ours ) Thats a freakn hell of a lot of no shows.

I would like to say 4 places is a bit steep in a drop , but would two spots motivate contestants to participate according to the "VERY SIMPLE" rules ?

Maybe 4 will motivate some but drive out others ... I suddenly have mixed feelings on the extent of consequence

[N.O.D.]

Everything about Pummel should be brutal IMO, including the penalties for no showing.

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

my problem with pummel as I see it is that it would take a year to get from one weightclass to another and thats like a year of consecutive wins. which is rediculous to me. I mean fine beating people is one thing that'll show what weight classy ou belong in but I'll still be stuck climbing and climbing and climbing I'm talking in a general sense and in a me sense btw.

[ArmstrongArts]

my problem with pummel as I see it is that it would take a year to get from one weightclass to another and thats like a year of consecutive wins. which is rediculous to me. I mean fine beating people is one thing that'll show what weight classy ou belong in but I'll still be stuck climbing and climbing and climbing I'm talking in a general sense and in a me sense btw.


Yes that is true Tele .......especailly for someone like me that is at the very bottom, but Bovey has fixed that. If you win 3 times over a person of a higher weight class you go into that weight class.

This makes all the difference in the whole for the people that put up a weight class poll with a pic they liked but other ppl didn't. So moving up is possible now.

[dfbovey]

my problem with pummel as I see it is that it would take a year to get from one weightclass to another and thats like a year of consecutive wins. which is rediculous to me. I mean fine beating people is one thing that'll show what weight classy ou belong in but I'll still be stuck climbing and climbing and climbing I'm talking in a general sense and in a me sense btw.

You certainly won't get to the next division by no showing to your ranked match.

But outside of that, there are multiple ways to advance to the next level:

1- win 3 championship matches

2- be ranked in the top 5 of your division and win your wild card match vs one of the bottom 5 in the next division.

3- win 3 streetfights vs. opponents in that division (new)

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

Yes that is true Tele .......especailly for someone like me that is at the very bottom, but Bovey has fixed that. If you win 3 times over a person of a higher weight class you go into that weight class.

This makes all the difference in the whole for the people that put up a weight class poll with a pic they liked but other ppl didn't. So moving up is possible now.

I heard that but was it ever confirmed? because I havn't seen an announcement *I just saw talk of it in davechisholms thread. Because if that's it then I'm gonna whoop some Archerion and Hanzou ass and then pick on another middleweight and I'll be up there.

[dfbovey]

I heard that but was it ever confirmed? because I havn't seen an announcement *I just saw talk of it in davechisholms thread. Because if that's it then I'm gonna whoop some Archerion and Hanzou ass and then pick on another middleweight and I'll be up there.

It's official, although I haven't added it to the rules thread yet.

[ArmstrongArts]

I understand your dismay ( all of ours ) Thats a freakn hell of a lot of no shows.

I would like to say 4 places is a bit steep in a drop , but would two spots motivate contestants to participate according to the "VERY SIMPLE" rules ?

Maybe 4 will motivate some but drive out others ... I suddenly have mixed feelings on the extent of consequence

What would you suggest? There has to be some penalty for no-showing...right?

[thordad]

TK , You know I am a huge fan of yours . Hell youve taken me down a notch 3 x . In all honesty when you bring it , you bring it and are every bit a high middleweight if not teetering on heavy .
My question to you is why dont you bring it all the time , or at least most ( IE your Thor on his Asgardian Throne amazing to no ends , even your cat woman was solid , Your TIN TIN , and your harleyquinn kicked my butt )
the only thing that has kept you out of serious competition with high middle and heavys is you
i like the proposed win three in a row against a class you move up to that class ( its fair in regards to what you put forth at the moment of challenge )

[blamito]

Come on guys, the way we're handling this entire competition just shows the rest of the board that we deserve to be lightweights.
The rules have been changed. If you don't care for PUMMEL, do something else.

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

TK , You know I am a huge fan of yours . Hell youve taken me down a notch 3 x . In all honesty when you bring it , you bring it and are every bit a high middleweight if not teetering on heavy .
My question to you is why dont you bring it all the time , or at least most ( IE your Thor on his Asgardian Throne amazing to no ends , even your cat woman was solid , Your TIN TIN , and your harleyquinn kicked my butt )
the only thing that has kept you out of serious competition with high middle and heavys is you
i like the proposed win three in a row against a class you move up to that class ( its fair in regards to what you put forth at the moment of challenge )

I do bring it every time I just like to experiment and some times that ends up going badly sometimes it goes well.

Okay Bovey I get it I'm a douche for no showing but like I said I lose all confidence/motivation and creativity without my pens or color, I know its not a good excuse but it's true. But yeah those sound fair I thought the only standing rule of how you advanced was to be like Champ of the division for 3 months rather than just win the championship matches.

[dfbovey]

Okay Bovey I get it I'm a douche for no showing but like I said I lose all confidence/motivation and creativity without my pens or color, I know its not a good excuse but it's true.

I wouldn't call you a douche for no showing. But you're right... that's not a very good excuse. If you were my opponent and I spent a good amount of time on an entry... only to hear that... oy. I'd be miffed.


But yeah those sound fair I thought the only standing rule of how you advanced was to be like Champ of the division for 3 months rather than just win the championship matches.

The quarterly wild card matches have been part of the rules since the start (first set of these will take place after the September ranked matches), along with the win 3 championship matches rule.

I wanted to add the win 3 streetfights rule to make streetfights a bit more relevant and give more options for advancement. But still keep it fair. Also wanted to encourage inter-weight class scuffles more.

[Telekinetic Ketchup]

Nice work bovey, now to get working on kicking Archies ass. ;)


oh wait Hanzous first :D

[ArmstrongArts]

See lots of ways to move up. And remember, You are gonna see some big movement in the ranks this time, because of the no-shows mostly. to make sure you don't crash ....do a peice every time and you are Golden