Strip Jam Official Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 14

Wild&Uncouth

09-21-2009, 09:26 PM

@ Rian, I wrote this earlier, and I don;t know if it holds any weight because I cut the panel from my page where you would see the Plenipotentiary as it once was, but I'll repost my description again in case we still consider it canon or usable-

4. I had one note about the Plenipotentiary. He got cut from my page and I didn't do a design for him because i didn't feel I had to, I was going to go the easy route and just recolor him. So Instead of black skin I was going to make it white, white robe, shiny silver armor. The gem on his gauntlet would be orange instead of purple. And then he would have both orbs on his head, the yellow one rotating around the pink one. For the record, I just wanted to get that out there. (i think I made it pretty clear in my text that the only difference between then and now for the Plenipotentiary is that he has been drained of his energy, and is now faded and dark).

So Rian, I don't know if you want to use this (technically it didn't make it onto any page), but if you do, it's up to you to decide what exactly happens to the Plenipotentiary upon reuniting with its smaller Sun Orb. Does its skin become stark white immediately? Are its armor and robes still tarnished? Or does the whole thing brighten right up, all darkness LITERALLY washed away (G'Nik said the darkness would wash away, but he could have been referring to the bad temperament. The actual transformation could be a slow process, and it would probably need both orbs to become completely whole again.

Anyway, food for thought.

For all i know, you might just draw the Vessel as is but with the small yellow sun orb on its shoulders. I'm excited to see how it turns out.

bravado-bomb

09-21-2009, 09:30 PM

The next NESJ recap will read like this:

"Then X showed up and talked shit. Then Y showed up and cut X's head off. Then Z showed up and shot Y's head off. Then Y came back to life with no head and killed Z. Then X came back to life and killed Y again. Then A showed up and killed X again. Then B ran around and made a pop culture reference. But then C showed up and cut B into pieces. Then it was revealed that it was all just D's dream. Then D's head was cut off."

And thanks for the kind words, guys. My secret is I just go and read the pages, then write notes. It's crazy, I know.

Seriously, that is EXACTLY what happened over the last few weeks in the strip jam. I almost forgot that it existed.

Oh yeah, and Karl, I was going to do an anchorpic for you to feed your ego but the only thing I could think of was anchorblack, and that shit's racist! eff that.

PS:

http://notsocalm.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/racist-lolcat-2.jpg

larq2525

09-21-2009, 09:49 PM

My new rough is up.

@Karl

I remember reading that description. The only thing I remembered from it was that the gem on the gauntlet turned to orange, which I was planning to do. I know that I still want to have the blood on the Vessel from the decapitated guard. Other than that I'm not sure. Maybe I'll make it's skin Gray so that when it has both Sun Orbs it can go full-on white.

I think that for issue 2 we need to put the credits on the inside of the back cover and give Karl the inside of the front cover to write a re-cap of issue 1, complete with lines like:

WHen AB comes back, the MT is perplexed that the Samsara went back up inside AB (very sexual). Where'd it go (phantom condom)?

Wild&Uncouth

09-21-2009, 09:53 PM

Phantom condoms are the worst.
Believe me.
No one wants to be that kind of harry Houdini.

Wild&Uncouth

09-21-2009, 10:10 PM

Oh yeah, and Karl, I was going to do an anchorpic for you to feed your ego but the only thing I could think of was anchorblack, and that shit's racist! eff that.

That's cool, Steve. I made my own. It's like the best of all worlds.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2538/3943758768_f8a114c7b5_o.jpg

ScottEwen

09-21-2009, 10:17 PM

larq2525

09-21-2009, 10:20 PM

Awesome, Rian. I put the approval time for 9 AM tomorrow since I can't draw my roughs tonight, so might as well start my turn in the morning.

By the way, just wanted to make sure you know that the Yellow Sun Orb is smaller than the Moon Orb. On your rough it looks like the YSO is about the same size as the Moon Orb, but Karl's been drawing it smaller.

From what I can tell, the Moon Orb is about the size of a bowling ball, the Yellow Sun Orb is about the size of a softball.

Yeah, I know it's smaller. That rough is even rougher than my usual roughs because I did it so quick, so not all of the angles and details are exact. It just gives an idea of what my layout's gonna look like, etc. With all the action on my page I had a tough time dishing out the proper space to show it all, but I had to make sure I gave the Vessel's reveal plenty of room.

Wild&Uncouth

09-21-2009, 10:27 PM

If I can make 2 suggestions-

You might want to flip panel 5 so that you keep Gruesmark frame left and Elsa frame right. He punches her to frame right in panel 4. Then in panel 5 she'll also be looking up frame right, which will lead the eye to panel 6.

AND

Is 'whore' an appropriate name for the MT to call Elsa? I'm leaning towards 'cow.' A whore has such a filthy connotation to it, not to mention sexual overtones. The MT has shown no signs of sexuality. Calling someone a cow is the same as calling people sheep or insects, which seems more like the MT's MO.

Wild&Uncouth

09-21-2009, 10:36 PM

OH! And to clarify the sun orb sizes-

Moon Orb - definitely seems to be about the size of a bowling ball. Like a 17 pounder or something.

The Sun Orb - Well, King G'nik wears it under his big cap. Scott said it's about the size of a softball? I would say it's slightly bigger than a softball, but not by much. Like an XL softball or something.

bravado-bomb

09-21-2009, 10:38 PM

That's cool, Steve. I made my own. It's like the best of all worlds.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2538/3943758768_f8a114c7b5_o.jpg

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

That's racist.

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 12:43 AM

hey guys working on my page but wanted to post up aleast a little Battle damaged Mcfinney so any approved pages after me dont get held up.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/ShogunJL/mcfinneydamage.jpg

for what its worth as much as I liked Karl's cliffhanger ending, I'm glad rian decided to give it a shot himself.

off to sleep.

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 12:52 AM

Hey Scott, I forgot about this design for The MAjor for the longest time, but I found the original art while tidying up which prompted me to finally upload this thing for all to see.

This is a sketch I did during the NESJ when we were trying to cut down on the number of characters in it, and what would happen if I started merging the multiple versions of the same character together into a new character.

So this is what I envisioned The Major turning into when I merged the present-day shirtless Major, the Post-Zombie Space Bee DHARMA Initiative Major, and perhaps maybe even The General. I think I also considered merging Luigi with them as well to eliminate the love triangle with Lauren and establish an actual romantic relationship with no gray area.
Enjoy!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3518/3944069718_7db014a8d1_o.jpg

P.S. Joel, nice work. McFinney looks terrible!

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 12:54 AM

has it been that long karl? I'm Joel

I helped you move a mattress, come on man!

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 12:54 AM

HEY! I caught it and corrected it before you posted! Sorry!

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 12:57 AM

haha

and to think one time helping you move a desk a bungee cord almost took my eye out, three years later you dont even remember my name. so sad.

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 12:58 AM

That's why we don't f*ck with bungee chords in the dark anymore! We learned a valuable lesson that day, Justin!

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 01:02 AM

true dat! kids, remember when moving desks and other assorted furniture it is best to work with the light of day. unless of course your stealing it, in which case don't use bungee cords.

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 01:04 AM

remember that time Braniac turned into a giant frawg and stomped on metropolis....?

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 01:05 AM

and now I can have an avatar...hooray for me.

Aceschock

09-22-2009, 06:28 AM

Dude, Joel. Don't be messin with Frank....He's even more out of his mind after they canceled All STAR Batman. I remember.

Aceschock

09-22-2009, 06:37 AM

Nicely done Jesse. Thanks for picking up my slack, and everybody else. Cool.

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 10:54 AM

on my page should it still be night? or do we want it to be day again?

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 11:08 AM

It is still nighttime all throughout the end of the issue, as far as I know.

jessemunoz

09-22-2009, 11:12 AM

here is my latest page. Let me know if I have to change any of the colors including the skyline.

http://www.jessemunoz.com/weblog/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/anchorbird7_colors.jpg

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 11:15 AM

that page looks really good man. kind of looks like the sun is coming up in your page. thats fine with me unless people want it to be night time.

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 11:22 AM

Looks really good, Jesse. My only concern is that the color matches with other people's pages. It looks like the sun is coming up on your page, which is fine, but then the next person might be coloring their page for it to still be nighttime.

Also, a cool idea for Rian's page would be, if all this stuff is happening at night, when the Plenipotentiary puts the Yellow Sun Orb on his shoulders, it suddenly lights everything up like day. That could be a really cool visual, but it doesn't work if it's already daytime.

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 11:25 AM

Ugh. I have to leave for class in a half hour and I still have one more page of my speech about Malcolm X to write. Honestly, for a Speech class, wouldn't it make sense for everyone to write about something they feel passionately about every week, rather than every single person being forced to write about the same topic? I know nothing about Malcolm X. I have no opinion about him, why am I being made to write a speech about him?

I had to talk about Obama last week. Just let me talk about comics or something, goddammit.

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 11:27 AM

yeah! a speech about how much you dislike speech class wouldnt be to hard.

so its night in anchorbird land? just so we are all on the same page

jessemunoz

09-22-2009, 11:29 AM

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 11:34 AM

The colors are great, Jesse.

I'm not 100% sure I want to push for this, but I did originally think your shots of Gruesmark and AB were nighttime shots (like from your previous Gruesmark page with the Lleuadists- cool colors). They would be nice contrasting shots with the well-lit "sunny" shots of Elsa getting ready. On the left- Moon Tyrant. On the right- Sun Gods Worshippers.

And even though days and nights could happen that fast on Colthoria (we have no idea how big their planet is, how fast it rotates, and therefore, how long their days and nights are) it just seems like the sun(s) coming up now are ill-timed. I was also hoping to do a lightning bolt at night, because lightning bolts in the day are weak sauce.

I think that the sun will be rising very soon, I think it will definitely be peaking over the horizon during the finale on the beach (because with the Sun comes the Plenipotentiary reborn, it's symbolic), but on your page, any hints of the sunrise should be minimal, with your characters still tinted in cool colors.

That's of course just my opinion; goes without saying.

Your colors are really cool though. I remember when you were working on the jams you would freak out about coloring stuff, but you've seemed to find your stride recently.

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 11:34 AM

so do I need to change it to night?

I'm just voicing concerns, not saying you have to change anything. The people after you should voice their opinions, since they're the ones that have to deal with it being night time or day time.

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 11:35 AM

yeah! a speech about how much you dislike speech class wouldnt be to hard.

I wish I could. The teacher would bite my head off if I did something like that.

jessemunoz

09-22-2009, 11:45 AM

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 11:48 AM

And just to clarify the daytime/nighttime distinction, Elsa just watched a mother put her child to bed. How long exactly did it take Elsa to get out that armor on?

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 11:52 AM

Yeah, that's true. Also, it feels like we just saw the sun set. I think all this stuff really should be taking place at night, otherwise night time on Colthoria last a couple hours.

Which, who knows, with two suns maybe it does.

jessemunoz

09-22-2009, 12:34 PM

ok chiggity check it before you riggity wreck it. I changed the colors so that its still night time. be afraid!

click me!
http://www.jessemunoz.com/weblog/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/anchorbird7x_colors-400x311.jpg (http://www.jessemunoz.com/weblog/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/anchorbird7y_colors.jpg)

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 12:53 PM

Yeah, Jesse. Yeah!

That's a goddamn great page.

bravado-bomb

09-22-2009, 12:56 PM

Looking good as always Jesse!

I kind of like the idea of 2 suns making night time only last a couple of hours. These people would have probably evolved into only NEEDING 2 hours of sleep a night.

But yeah, all that would really only be fun if someone explained it after things calmed down, not fun to explain it mid-climax.

...that's what she said.

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 01:02 PM

Hey everyone, I just wanted to post this here so you all could read it straight throught without script notes and stuff.

This is the backstory (I'm not revising it anymore to my knowledge) of the Plenipotentiary and of the Moon Tyrant's visit to Colthoria 100 lifetimes ago (first mentioned by Marty in Taro Mochi's page, then McFinney in Taro Mochi's page again). All this info is from G'nik's dialogue on my upcoming page.

Enjoy.

Please understand, Elsa, the Vessel is not inherently evil. It’s been brainwashed for many lifetimes, and now acts out of fear and anger.

Long before the Moon Tyrant, The Vessel was known to our planet as The Plenipotentiary of the Sun Gods.

Carved out of the very rock of Colthoria by the gods, they adorned its shoulders with two copas imbued with their power. Its duty was to bestow all life on Colthoria with peace and prosperity.

After a period of many blessings, an unusual double-solar eclipse occurred, lasting for many years.
All of Colthoria was cut off from the Sun Gods' glory. life on the planet dwindled.

The Sun Gods’ steward consulted with the people, and it was suggested a journey to the moon was necessary in order to save everyone from a life of cold and darkness.

It was no easy feat, but The Plenipotentiary agreed to try.

It entrusted the smaller Sun Orb to the people to ensure that the Sun Gods’ glory was still present even if it failed in its task.

the Plenipotentiary did succeed in its mission. The moon’s orbit was changed, and Colthoria's surface was blessed by the Sun Gods' glory once more. But the Plenipotentiary did not return...

Many lifetimes later another double-solar eclipse occurred, and from the moon descended Colthoria’s long-lost hero.

But Its once bright pink copa was now faded and dim, and in its hand was clutched a staff- the cursed Staff of Nihaalis- which had been feeding on our guardian, now its slave, ever since the day it saved our planet.

This ‘Moon Tyrant’ craved more of the rich energy from the sun orbs. It knew of the second orb entrusted to the Colthorians, and demanded it be forfeited.

My very own bloodline had been charged wth keeping the orb safe. It was never surrendered.

So the Cursed One decimated our cities, but it did not stop there. For its final act, it stole the world’s children to replace the hidden sun orb. It called them its ‘missing meal.’

An entire generation died for this orb, and they had no say in the matter.

As it left with our blood, the monster announced that a ‘Beast of Samsara’ would eventually appear on Colthoria. once discovered, the two together would destroy our planet.

We have confirmed that the Lleuadists believe Anchorbird is the host for this ‘Samsara.’

Elsa, we are all in grave danger. We can only stall the Cursed One. But if we bring the Plenipotentiary back to the light of our Gods, our chances of survival will greatly improve!

The sun gods’ energy within our guardian has been sucked dry and replaced with darkness. The sun orb should eradicate all that darkness if it’s presented to it!

But you must be quick, Elsa!

we don’t want Anchorbird falling into the wrong hands!

So there you go. Another piece of Colthoria's history for you to file away and ponder. I hope you all liked it.

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 01:07 PM

BTW, did everybody see my alternate character design for The Major? I posted it a couple pages back. here's a direct link to the image. (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3518/3944069718_7db014a8d1_o.jpg)

larq2525

09-22-2009, 02:04 PM

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 03:13 PM

And out of left field:

Have we decided what's going to go on the back cover of the printed issue? I'm guessing we haven't since there's still no definitive decision about the front cover?

Oh yeah, Scott, how goes the collection of 300dpi files? I think you have all mine, but I'd like to see the list of what you've got/need again so if there's anyone who hasn't sent you theirs yet they can get a reminder.

The back cover will be an advertisement for Ka-Blam, as they're the ones printing it up. The inside back cover's the only thing we need to worry about filling; maybe put some sketches and character designs in?

I don't have a list in front of me of what I still need, but I figure it up later and post the list again.

Also, I got an A on my Malcolm X speech somehow. Go me!

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 03:23 PM

The back cover will be an advertisement for Ka-Blam, as they're the ones printing it up. The inside back cover's the only thing we need to worry about filling; maybe put some sketches and character designs in?

I don't have a list in front of me of what I still need, but I figure it up later and post the list again.

Also, I got an A on my Malcolm X speech somehow. Go me!

Congrats on the A, Scott!

ABout Ka-Blam. Are you sure the back cover is where the ad goes? Because that's the company that Schock prints his Ashtray Comics through, and Ka-blam's ad is always on the inside back cover of Schock's comics (Schock will usually throw a pin-up on the back cover (Darren Auck and Kraiger have both had their art on the backcover before). It's worth checking out, is all I'm saying.

As far as the back cover is concerned there's plenty we could do. The only thing I've thought of so far has been very minimalist. Just take the Anchorbird symbol from the logo, grayscale and sepia tone it and slap it smack dab in the middle of the back cover. Maybe throw an "old treasure map" paper texture down on top of it, like it's an ancient parchment or something.

One of many ideas...

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 03:38 PM

ABout Ka-Blam. Are you sure the back cover is where the ad goes? Because that's the company that Schock prints his Ashtray Comics through, and Ka-blam's ad is always on the inside back cover of Schock's comics (Schock will usually throw a pin-up on the back cover (Darren Auck and Kraiger have both had their art on the backcover before). It's worth checking out, is all I'm saying.

Yeah, when you go to Ka-Blam and select how you want the comic to look, you can select if you want the ad on the back cover or the inside back cover. You get a certain amount of money knocked off the printing price for including a Ka-Blam ad.

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 03:41 PM

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 03:56 PM

If people want, we could put it on the inside back cover and include a pin-up on the back cover, it just might cost a little more per copy.

In fact, we could put the winning entry from the upcoming Anchorbird draw-off on the back, get some incentive in there for people to participate.

That's a pretty good idea! The inside cover ad I think is a better way to go. I consider the front and back covers as the 'skin' of a comic, so to have the back cover be from us is a more appealing option to me.

Having the back cover be the winning entry of the draw-off is a pretty cool idea! We could even include a credit for the winner either on the back cover or on the table of contents on the inside front cover.

jessemunoz

09-22-2009, 03:59 PM

the big question is who is doing the cover?!

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 04:03 PM

the big question is who is doing the cover?!

That is a good question, and it's something I haven't really thought through yet. I'd like everyone's opinion on this... should we decide who's doing the cover and let them tackle it, or assign different tasks to different people?

For instance, should one person do pencils, another one ink, and another person color it? Should we nominate one person to do all three, or put up a poll and vote on who should do it?

jessemunoz

09-22-2009, 04:07 PM

I like the colab aspect of it. I think that would be great. Layout/Penciler, Inker, and Colorist. We should nominate and then vote!

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 04:08 PM

Personally I also like the collaborative idea, and I think it would be really cool to see a cover that three of us worked on together. I'd be up for inking it.

ScottEwen

09-22-2009, 04:12 PM

Is anyone else actually doing anything for the draw-off, by the way? I was thinking about it but there's a week or so left and I don't think I'll have time.

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 04:13 PM

I like the idea of a penciler/inker/colorist collaboration for the cover.

I'll be on the sidelines for this particular project, though. As much as I would love to help out with a cover (because I definitely would), I won't be involved with the actual drawing of the final cover.

I pitched that cover idea that anyone's welcome to use, but beyond that one sketch, even if we decide to use it, I'll just be a cheerleader.

The reason being I'm cutting back drastically on extra-curricular art projects right now.

That's also why I'm not participating in the draw-off (once again, as much as I'd like to).

walterostlie

09-22-2009, 07:24 PM

Finished up my page. I had to change up the text in the 3rd panel because I couldn't get the other stuff to fit. my bad.

http://walterostlie.com/images/anchorbird/ab_56.jpg

this is the link to the full size

http://walterostlie.com/images/anchorbird/ab_56_full.jpg

bravado-bomb

09-22-2009, 07:27 PM

Love the new page. But isn't the moon tyrant mask thing supposed to be on his chest? ...or am I missing something?

walterostlie

09-22-2009, 07:28 PM

hah, yeah,. you know everytime I was drawing I was like 'don't forget to put that in' ...let me add it realy quick :)

bravado-bomb

09-22-2009, 07:30 PM

hah, yeah,. you know everytime I was drawing I was like 'don't forget to put that in' ...let me add it realy quick :)

Oh okay good, for a second I was thinking I COMPLETELY missed something that happened earlier in the story. Totally lost. haha.

walterostlie

09-22-2009, 07:48 PM

ok i fixed it. sometimes computers are useful :-)

jessemunoz

09-22-2009, 07:51 PM

you forgot his big shoulder pads and his antennae are too short. Also The dialog balloons should be pointing to the mask not Gruesmark's head.

walterostlie

09-22-2009, 07:57 PM

I can fix the balloon tails. I don't know about the shoulder pads and antennae. They seem to change a lot throughout the comic, so I just went off the design spec.

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 08:00 PM

Which spec did you work off of?

Because first there was Gruesmark
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/SeanJKS/GRUESMARK.jpg
But then his body was taken over by the Mask (Staff of Nihaalis/The Moon Tyrant) and his design changed to look like this-
http://jessemunoz.com/test/newgru.jpg

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 08:03 PM

Otherwise, your page turned out really good, Walter. The shoulder pads and the antennae are small details, and if you can fix them (and the tails of the word balloons of the MT) then I wouldn't have a single strike against you for your page. It's good work.

walterostlie

09-22-2009, 08:19 PM

oh, you guys are tricky. Ok, fixed all that stuff.

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 08:51 PM

oh, you guys are tricky. Ok, fixed all that stuff.

YAY! Rock on, Walter!
Can I get a '"what? what?"

...

I'm sorry, what's that?

...

Stop that?
Oh, ok I'll stop.

*walks to doorway*
*flicks off lightswitch*
*curtain closes*

larq2525

09-22-2009, 08:57 PM

Awesome page, Walter. My one critique is that in panel 3 you misspelled "interfere" as "interfer". Add that extra "e" to the end of the word and you're golden.

EDIT: Shit, I also just realized Anchorbird is supposed to be covered in blood from murdering Lleuadists on Steve's page. He's gonna have lots of blood on my page, so Walter, you should add some blood splattered on him.

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 09:27 PM

Oh shit, Rian! Good call.

See? Blood is SO hard to remember (although I DID remember while I was drawing my page earlier today, but that's because I was remembering the bullet wound from Walter's page).

Greenskyzero

09-22-2009, 10:49 PM

alright i'm up in the strip Jam, the set up isnt great but Pumpkin is gonna make his debut. if he gets killed in the panel after me, I'll punch someone...anyone in the face.

Spidey

09-22-2009, 10:57 PM

Also, I got an A on my Malcolm X speech somehow. Go me!

Where you standing over you teacher and cracking your knuckles while (s)he graded it?

Turtle Boat

09-22-2009, 11:03 PM

i guess scott did it by any means necessary.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

yea.

Wild&Uncouth

09-22-2009, 11:46 PM

More like

"You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."

- Malcolm X

walterostlie

09-23-2009, 02:13 PM

blood added, word re-spelt.

http://walterostlie.com/images/anchorbird/ab_56.jpg

Wild&Uncouth

09-23-2009, 02:21 PM

Looks good, Walter.

I was very sympathetic towards you over the past 24 hours, with everyone going "you missed this and this and this and this."

Mad props for patiently listening to everyone, owning up to what you missed and making your corrections. Very cool. No one lost patience, for a change!

On a side note, I've always thought it was funny-looking regardless of who was drawing him, but Gruesmark's bell-bottom-ish pants are hilarious, and your panel 5 is great for showing just how casually Gruesmark dresses. He's like the Matthew McConaughy of Colthoria, lol ("I'm the last of my race. Alright alright...")

larq2525

09-23-2009, 02:32 PM

Great job, Walter. Ditto what Karl said about your willingness to go back in and fix those inconsistencies. I'm looking forward to sharing a page of the printed comic with you. :)

walterostlie

09-23-2009, 07:42 PM

can I post my page up with a post date of 9-24 or should I wait until page 55 gets posted?

Wild&Uncouth

09-23-2009, 08:09 PM

can I post my page up with a post date of 9-24 or should I wait until page 55 gets posted?

Sure. Jesse already has his next page locked and loaded with his 9/26 post date.

ScottEwen

09-23-2009, 08:27 PM

Yeah, that's fine, but if Walter's page goes up at midnight tonight it means page 56 will be going up before page 55. Rian PM'd me earlier to let me know he was going to be late on his page.

walterostlie

09-23-2009, 08:32 PM

will he be able to upload it into the right place? I can just wait until 55 goes up, no fuss no muss.

ScottEwen

09-23-2009, 08:43 PM

will he be able to upload it into the right place? I can just wait until 55 goes up, no fuss no muss.

Yeah, it'll go in the right spot if he puts yesterday as the date when he uploads his comic.

Okay, I put up my roughs. http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1078001

Like I said in the post, I'm really sorry about how crude this is because I had to rush to get it done. I took Karl's advice about combining panels together to reduce the number of panels I had, and also making the reveal panel of the Samsara bigger.

Not sure about the design of the Samsara. I was going for a Mayan sort of thing, but I'm not sure if it's intimidating enough. Opinions are welcome.

And remember, this is the last page of the first issue. It's an important one, rip into it. It's also important for me because I think it's going to be my final page of Anchorbird for awhile.

ScottEwen

09-23-2009, 08:46 PM

Just looking at this again for the first time, I think I need to bring one of my panels back, the panel of Anchorbird descending the staircase. It looks too much like he walks through the outside door and directly into the basement room.

Wild&Uncouth

09-23-2009, 09:42 PM

Right off the bat, Scott, about your concern with the basement. You could have panel 1 be a shot of the inside of the building. You can see the door (open), that leads to outside (where Sims came from). You can see a secret staircase in the floor (or wherever the entrance is to the basement), and Sims has begun to walk down it. That's how you should combine those shots.

Secondly, as a reader I would much rather see the establishing shot of the statue from the front, so that the message is clear that this statue has the anchor/bird/globe motif.

So basically, if you switch the camera to the side of the room where SIms is, you get a nice front shot of the statue, you see Sims reaction to everything, AND you get a nice glimpse of Pilgrim.

SIDENOTE: I just thought of something- How come none of these military personal haven't thought "Hey look, that bird statue has an anchor, like it's from the marines or somethin'!" I guess only a small amount of people have seen it. Or maybe they do but we haven't witnessed any of these conversations? First recon found it. That we do know.

PANEL 5 (the BOOM!)
I would maybe throw in some machine gun fire sound effects (because there would be, most likely) BOOM! ... ACK! ACK! ACK! ... ACK! ACK! ACK!BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA! PYEW PYEW PYEW! (Stuff like that)

That way Sims or Pilgrim could make the observation that it sounds like they're under attack. Them hearing random voices is a little iffy, because if those voices are close enough to hear from down the stairs, then where were those soldiers when Sims snuck in? If it's solely Sims and Pilgrim trying to figure out waht's happening, it keeps the scene very exclusive to these characters, and the amount of info they know is limited. It COULD be enemy fire. Explosions. Bullets. But IS it?

PANEL 6 Unless you establish the statues original head position in your first shot of it (panel 2), then how are we to now it's raised it's head in this panel? I say whatever camera angle you use for this panel should be roughly the same camera angle, albeit zoomed out, for your shot of Sims entering the basement. That way if you haven't made it clear enough through motion lines or something, at the very LEAST people can look at your other drawing and hopefully put it together that the head of the statue is now in a different position.

So there are my initial thoughts.

ScottEwen

09-23-2009, 09:57 PM

I wanted a front-and-center shot of the Samsara statue, but combining that with a full shot of the room and the hieroglyphs on the wall and Sims descending the staircase and Pilgrim up against the wall... it's really tough. I also wanted a spooky, dramatic shot (most of that panel will be in black except for the lanterns by the entrance and Sims' flashlight. I'll see if I can't redo these roughs to incorporate a better shot of the statue, though.

Now, to address your sidenote.

When I was writing this page, I had to have several things make sense. This isn't stuff I necessarily wanted, but stuff I felt I had to do.

1. Anchorbird had to be in his tank top and sweatpants because this page take place right before #1.

2. He has to have some indication that he's been drinking or currently is drinking.

3. On Casey's page, we see the Sergeant tell Sims he's relieved from guarding the statue, and a Green Beret was taking over. This was a problem for me because originally I had Sims actually guarding the statue, but that line meant I had to have him sneak in while the Green Beret was guarding it.

4. The tattoo is referred to as the Mark of Samsara. That meant I figured it should share some similarity to the look of the creature. A bird with an anchor around his neck is what I thought of because if it were a giant monkey or a giant turtle, why would his mark be that of a bird?

So I felt my hands were tied in a number of respects concerning this page. I understand it's a giant coincidence that the Samsara is a bird with an anchor when that's also the Marine Corps logo, but that wasn't my call, that decision was made many pages ago.

ScottEwen

09-23-2009, 09:59 PM

Oh, also....

PANEL 6 Unless you establish the statues original head position in your first shot of it (panel 2), then how are we to now it's raised it's head in this panel? I say whatever camera angle you use for this panel should be roughly the same camera angle, albeit zoomed out, for your shot of Sims entering the basement. That way if you haven't made it clear enough through motion lines or something, at the very LEAST people can look at your other drawing and hopefully put it together that the head of the statue is now in a different position.

... the statue does not actually raise its head in panel six, it opens its eyes and growls. But I see what you mean, that there should be more of a connection between the two panels.

Wild&Uncouth

09-23-2009, 10:16 PM

@Scott!

I didn't mean that you should have made the statue something else. I was stating that an observant marine would notice the similarities. We haven't seen any marines having a conversation about it, so I was saying that my concern was calmed, since no soldiers have been depicted chatting about the similarities between logo and statue.

About Sims drinking- you had made an argument earlier in this thread that just because AB says he shouldn't drink so much when he wakes up in Colthoria doesn't mean he was actually drinking the night before. The mad has amnesia (at least partially). I have no problem that he's drinking, but I just wanted to remind you that you had pointed out earlier that he doesn't necessarily have to be.

I would actually like to see you go all the way with Sims alcohol consumption and make him blind drunk, staggering down the stairs with those little wiggle bubbles around his head. Why else would he just wander back to the building after he was relieved? Maybe he was looking for a place to drunkenly piss and mistook the building for a latrine. That's funny!

Will his shoulder be tattooed? That's a touchy subject, I bet. How would rationalize that? Sorry, I'm just talking now. Discussion. Tangents.

I hadn't noticed that the wall hieroglyphs were important. There's no rule that says the statue has to be on the far side of the room though, is there? You could put it flush up with the entrance to the basement if you wanted.

ScottEwen

09-23-2009, 10:36 PM

About Sims drinking- you had made an argument earlier in this thread that just because AB says he shouldn't drink so much when he wakes up in Colthoria doesn't mean he was actually drinking the night before. The mad has amnesia (at least partially). I have no problem that he's drinking, but I just wanted to remind you that you had pointed out earlier that he doesn't necessarily have to be.

Yes, but then someone... I forget who, but I think maybe Joel? Jesse? said that Anchorbird drinking would explain why he's wandering around the camp in his sweatpants, so I decided to add a flask in there.

I would actually like to see you go all the way with Sims alcohol consumption and make him blind drunk, staggering down the stairs with those little wiggle bubbles around his head. Why else would he just wander back to the building after he was relieved? Maybe he was looking for a place to drunkenly piss and mistook the building for a latrine. That's funny!

That's doable.

Will his shoulder be tattooed? That's a touchy subject, I bet. How would rationalize that? Sorry, I'm just talking now. Discussion. Tangents.

I thought about this beforehand and decided I'm going to stage it in such a way that we never see his left shoulder. So no, I won't be drawing his tattoo, but I won't be drawing an untattooed shoulder either.

I hadn't noticed that the wall hieroglyphs were important. There's no rule that says the statue has to be on the far side of the room though, is there? You could put it flush up with the entrance to the basement if you wanted.

I could. Another thing I just thought of might be to have the room be very small and have the statue partially buried in dirt. My first thought was to make this basement room a ceremonial chamber, but maybe it's just storage and whoever put it there was putting it somewhere out of the way. That way I can get a tighter shot of AB and Pilgrim, with the heiroglyphs, and a front-on shot of the statue.

Greenskyzero

09-23-2009, 11:59 PM

posted in the NESJ, If it isn't clear already, read Pumpkins dialogue as brick top from snatch for the full effect.

larq2525

09-24-2009, 12:08 AM

My page is up on AB.com. Only about two hours late this time.

Now to wait for a few more placeholders to be claimed before I put my next one down.

This isn't a cut-down of anyone, but Scott saying he's gonna take a break from AB made me realize that I think one reason there've been so few placeholders thrown down in recent memory is that a lot of contributors seem to be going through phases where they decide to bow out for a while. I think Karl may have mentioned doing so before, but I think AB pulled him back in before he was gone for too long. Schock's been away for a while; not only because of the disagreements surrounding his last page, but even before that he said he was gonna be busy. Also, Spidey disappeared for a while (I believe because of a scanner problem?), and CaseyCP's on a brief hiatus now too, I think. When we've only got 15 or so contributors and multiple people take breaks at once, it's not surprising that there are lulls in PH dropping. Again, not calling anyone out, because sometimes life gets in the way, but it wasn't long ago that we were all wondering where the PH's had gone.

Yes, but then someone... I forget who, but I think maybe Joel? Jesse? said that Anchorbird drinking would explain why he's wandering around the camp in his sweatpants, so I decided to add a flask in there.

That was me, actually. I'd never felt one way or another about whether AB had actually been drinking, but I thought it'd simply make for a good explanation as to why he appeared on Colthoria in such a state of undress considering he'd been transported from a warzone.

larq2525

09-24-2009, 01:03 AM

Scott, here's a link to the 300dpi version of page #55:

http://www.rianmiller.com/anchorbird/anchorbird006_color_300.jpg

ScottEwen

09-24-2009, 08:26 AM

This isn't a cut-down of anyone, but Scott saying he's gonna take a break from AB made me realize that I think one reason there've been so few placeholders thrown down in recent memory is that a lot of contributors seem to be going through phases where they decide to bow out for a while. I think Karl may have mentioned doing so before, but I think AB pulled him back in before he was gone for too long. Schock's been away for a while; not only because of the disagreements surrounding his last page, but even before that he said he was gonna be busy. Also, Spidey disappeared for a while (I believe because of a scanner problem?), and CaseyCP's on a brief hiatus now too, I think. When we've only got 15 or so contributors and multiple people take breaks at once, it's not surprising that there are lulls in PH dropping. Again, not calling anyone out, because sometimes life gets in the way, but it wasn't long ago that we were all wondering where the PH's had gone.

I understand, but taking a break from Anchorbird was not a decision I made lightly. It's just taking up too much of my time right now. This Speech class I'm taking right now is a monster... it has three times the workload of any class at the Kubert School, and the teacher does not accept late assignments or imperfect assignments. If you don't turn in your work on time, you get an F, and if you put a comma in the wrong place she rips up your page and you redo it. I don't mean to moan and complain about it, but this one class is becoming like a full time job for me, and it's not even the only class I'm taking right now.

I'm also working on a Zuda submission and have been for about a month now. And I only have four pages done. Whenever I find myself with an hour or two that I'm actually able to draw, I seem to be working on Anchorbird stuff. That's why I'm backing out, this Zuda submission needs to take higher priority.

So, the way I see it, a lot of people are taking breaks right now because of school or other commitments. The placeholders might start slowing down because of this, but I'm okay with that. Nobody reads the comic besides us anyway, so if the site goes a week in between pages now, who's really going to complain?

larq2525

09-24-2009, 09:13 AM

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone out. Just throwing that out as part of the reason that PH placing has slowed down. I obviously don't have as much free time as I'd like to myself, otherwise my AB pages wouldn't always go up after midnight the morning after they're due.

ScottEwen

09-24-2009, 09:35 AM

I'm okay with placeholders slowing down at this point. We've finished the first issue (at least at the thumbnail stage). We can take some time to relax and slow down a bit, I think.

ScottEwen

09-24-2009, 09:36 AM

Hey, I just thought of what we can do to get people reading. We should all pool our money together and commission Jim Lee to do a page. :D

larq2525

09-24-2009, 10:50 AM

Hey, I just thought of what we can do to get people reading. We should all pool our money together and commission Jim Lee to do a page. :D

Or better yet, the cover. People go nuts for that shit.

Wild&Uncouth

09-24-2009, 03:27 PM

I should be paying better attention when new words are added into the Anchorbird mythos. I never even considered that "Samsara," first introduced in Turtle Boat's page, was an actual thing-

Samsara (Sanskrit: संसार) is the endless cycle of suffering caused by birth, death and rebirth (i.e. reincarnation) within Buddhism, Bön, Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism and other related religions.

More at wikipedia, god of all knowledge. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B9%83s%C4%81ra)

Turtle Boat

09-24-2009, 03:30 PM

yea, so after i introduced it i was glad that ppl had the moon tyrant say to anchorbird, "We have met over a thousand lifetimes" and stuff like that.

ScottEwen

09-24-2009, 03:56 PM

Yep, I read that stuff on Wikipedia. I had heard the word before so I looked it up to see what it meant. I considered putting this image on the statue but I didn't want people to interpret that as the Mark of Samsara:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/EndlessKnot03d.png/250px-EndlessKnot03d.png

Spidey

09-24-2009, 04:45 PM

Scott, your statue looks like a turkey. I was picturing something a little more imposing with it's talons out, ready to slice.

godwin

09-24-2009, 05:28 PM

Just posted my nesj, sorry if it seems rushed fighting a sinus infection. Antibiotics taking down inflamation but that dilator will knock you for a loop,

larq2525

09-24-2009, 07:33 PM

Concerning Samsara (the word):

I remember looking Samsara up a few years ago after wondering what Skipper Beery's deviantArt username was supposed to mean. His name on dA, by the way, is abdandonsamsara.

Concerning Samsara (the bird/statue/creature):

I realize it may only come off this way because your rough is a rough Scott, but are you planning on making the statue lifelike or simplified and angular like (for example) the Sphinx? If/when the Samsare does come to life I think I'd rather see it as a realistic-looking bird than a blocky Bruce Timm-esque bird.

ScottEwen

09-24-2009, 09:06 PM

I was going for a Mayan statue kinda deal. So it's all angular and blocky. When it's alive we only see the face but it's still made of gold. So someone else can figure out how it moves and looks when alive, or maybe I will later on.

Greenskyzero

09-24-2009, 11:06 PM

scott, thanks for putting together that step by step for posting on the new site, I would have been lost with out it. my page is up.

Wild&Uncouth

09-24-2009, 11:42 PM

scott, thanks for putting together that step by step for posting on the new site, I would have been lost with out it. my page is up.

Looking good, Joel!

I love the trees in the second panel. I also was not prepared for how fragile and human McFinney is without his skullcap and goggles. Poor chap...

Really good page to cap off the first issue for you, Joel. :lml-:

I just finished inking my page. Photoshop coloring and lettering commences tomorrow!

Greenskyzero

09-25-2009, 12:01 AM

I've grown attached to ol' Mcfinney it was fun to kind of strip away some of that pulp hero that schock writes so well, and make him more human.

ScottEwen

09-25-2009, 08:36 AM

Great work Joel.

Guys, I have a revision on my page due in about six minutes but I've had no time in the last 24 hours to actually sit at a desk and draw. In about ten minutes I'm going out to have breakfast with Cristina and probably won't be able to draw until this afternoon. I can do the revision today but it'll be late is what I'm saying.

I'll leave the decision up to Karl whether to skip me or to give me an extension. I'm fine with it either way.

Greenskyzero

09-25-2009, 09:44 AM

thanxs man

Wild&Uncouth

09-25-2009, 09:45 AM

Sounds fine to me, Scott. But for the sake of knowing we've definitively ended the first issue, please make sure you wrap it up this afternoon.

ScottEwen

09-25-2009, 12:55 PM

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ScottEwen/samsara.jpg

Okay, here's a second Samsara design I did to make it look more imposing. Like I said, the first time I was going for more of a Mayan statue design, that's why it was all angular and blocky, but this one is more of a realistic eagle.

Sorry the sketch sucks, but I don't have my sketchbook or a scanner here and I really don't know how to draw with a Wacom.

Let me know what you guys think of this redesign. I'm going to redraw the roughs now.

Wild&Uncouth

09-25-2009, 01:28 PM

thumbs up, Scott me likey

Wild&Uncouth

09-25-2009, 03:56 PM

Here's progress on my page.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2504/3954392218_548c90d35a.jpg
The rest of this page is going to be cake to color, but this panel definitely was the "fx" shot.

larq2525

09-25-2009, 04:07 PM

Here's progress on my page.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2504/3954392218_548c90d35a.jpg
The rest of this page is going to be cake to color, but this panel definitely was the "fx" shot.

For a split second I thought I saw a lens flare. Then I looked again and realized it was the orb. Looks sweet.

ScottEwen

09-25-2009, 04:21 PM

Second draft of my roughs. Drawn with a wacom. I plan on doing this entire page in pencil and then sepia toning it in Photoshop.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ScottEwen/page64roughs-1.png

If there are any major problems with this, I'll do a second revision, but I set the approval time for 11:59 tonight just so there's three days on the site without a comic rather than four. If Karl gives me the greenlight before then, I'll go ahead and approve it and move on to Joe just so that we can draw a line under the first issue and keep this thing moving.

Wild&Uncouth

09-25-2009, 04:26 PM

Scott, I'm fine with it.

If anyone sees anything 'off' about Scott's page then please point it out here on the board. But if no one has anything to point out, then this page has an ok from me to be approved at midnight.

ScottEwen

09-25-2009, 04:29 PM

Okay. I'll leave it "unapproved" for now, but I probably won't be up at midnight, so I'll approve it before I go to bed (probably around 10 or 11), so we can keep it moving. Sorry to everyone for keeping it on my turn for so long.

But if any one else sees something that needs addressing, please don't hesitate to bring it up. I'm okay with delaying the page another day if it means we can make it better.

Wild&Uncouth

09-26-2009, 12:52 AM

Hey everyone, I finished page 59, and if anyone would like to see it for purposes such as how I drew the SentryBird or how glowy I made the moon orb, etc, then follow the link. (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3475/3955282996_3543f99930_b.jpg)

My page isn't scheduled to go up until Monday, so I figured the sooner everyone got this info the better.

amd if you want to see the page without all the crrzzy wordsaballoones, check my devart. (http://kajusx.deviantart.com/art/Anchorbid-Page-59-138262338)

Wild&Uncouth

09-27-2009, 12:54 PM

Joe, I have no problem with your page.
It's a cool intro to the beginning of Chapter 2.
We have three different timelines going on, (Colthoria, Vietnam flashed back, and Vietnam present). Chapter 1 ended with a Colthoria scene, then a Vietnam Flashback.

I think you've actually introduced a Vietnam Future scene. This takes place a good length of time after AB awoke for that brief instant (and in Colthoria it has only been maybe an hour or two since that happened). I think as long as we don't jump around Colthoria's timeline then we should be good. A future scene with AB catatonic in Vietnam shows that AB does not wake back up in Vietnam for a while, so he must be heavily involved in Colthoria from here on out, which is fine by me. It says maybe that he gets his shit under control for a bit.

No one has been on this thread for a while. I think we're all exhausted from completing Chapter 1. But I did want to write up that I like your page, I wanted to point out that Sims does not wake back up for an undisclosed amount of time (maybe you could indicate how long by including facial hair or hair length growth on either Sims or his buddy) and what that means, and that I ultimately approve your page. (so your status as of me righting this is pending approval, because we need to wait for Scott to take a look).

Wild&Uncouth

09-27-2009, 12:57 PM

P.S. I decided to have my new page post a day early. So it's up now on anchorbird dot com.

ScottEwen

09-27-2009, 12:58 PM

No problems from me either as far as Joe's page goes. I just have a question, is the soldier by Sims' bed the Marine seen on my page 54, or a different soldier? He looks like a white guy in Joe's roughs but I'm not sure who else it would be.

Wild&Uncouth

09-27-2009, 01:21 PM

I'm pretty sure it's the black guy, but we'll let Joe confirm this.

Did you give him a name, Scott?

ScottEwen

09-27-2009, 01:24 PM

Did you give him a name, Scott?

Nope. I just called him "Marine" in my script, but even that's up for debate since it hasn't been confirmed yet that the branch of the military Sims is in actually is the Marines.

jfrontirre

09-27-2009, 02:17 PM

Wild&Uncouth

09-28-2009, 02:41 PM

About the NESJ-

I am so f*cking confused by it. Parsnip turned out to be more of a blessing to the NESJ than a curse, but I am SO CONFUSED as to who is on the Team 7 roster and who isn't.

We know that there is:
1. Jazzhands, we know that.
2. Kanye, with no head (but his initial appearance was a dream and so was his beheading? Or did the drugs Ursala absorbed make him real? If so, where's StarSream and headless Scorpion?)
3. Brick Shit-House
4. Tyler, that Jackalobe/Turkey-looking thing

Then in Parsnip's panel, he has a screen with Kanye, Tyler and Brick Shit-House, but then Pumpkin Rodriguez and Abe Lincoln are on there. Is P.Rod a member of Team 7? I can't tell!

Then there's Gangsta (President) Van Buren. Is he a member, or does he exclusively belong to the League of Alternate Universe Presidents? If so, does that make Lincoln a member? Van Buren says that there is a sniper named Terry. Is Terry a member of Team 7. Because in Ratcrack's panel a new member of Team 7 is introduced, who has apparently defected as well. He's a sniper, but his name is Captain Bicho, and he looks like he's from Dragonball. Is his full name Terry Bicho?! Does this mean Van Buren can't keep track of the defecting operatives of Team 7? I think Lincoln is on Team 7! Also, is Parsnip confusing Lincoln with Sam?!

To sum it all up, before this big confusing rosterization (heh heh), there were already 4 confirmed members of Team 7.
But with the hazy area of Pumpkin Rodriguez(5), Terry the Sniper(6), Captain Bicho(7), Abe Lincoln(8), and whoever is about to show up after Ratcrack's cliffhanger (9).

I'm so confused.

It looks like Pumpkin Rodriguez is a former member of Van Buren's team who's struck out on his own. So eliminates Pumpkin and knocks the roster down to 8 members. It's still unclear if Terry the Sniper is a member of Team 7, and if he is, is he also Captain Bicho? (who, btw, isn't raver-like at all) I don't know who Abe Lincoln is, nor who he's supposed to be with. It sounds like he's not part of LAUP, because if he was then Van Buren could get ahold of him. So maybe Lincoln is a member of Team 7, or maybe he's SAM, and everyone's confused and miscalling him Lincoln (or Sam could get involved in a case of mistaken identity and must defend Sammy and Samus from LAUP operatives).

SO even after all this, I think either all 7 members have already been introduced, and whoever is about to show up has already been named in a previous panel, or 2 or more of the alleged members are not actually members, and/or are the same person named 2 different names, which would then lead me to believe that there are still a couple spots open on the Team 7 roster.

f*cking 'ell...

ScottEwen

09-28-2009, 02:50 PM

I added creator tags to all the Anchorbird pages. Now if you click on someone's name in the tag cloud, it'll show you all the pages they've done.

Regarding the Strip Jam, I have no idea what's going on right now and I kind of don't care. Once I brought the Samily back together and the "time travel" storyline ended, my interest in the Strip Jam went way down. My turn came up a day or two ago and I skipped myself 'cause I didn't really want to do it.

Also, it annoys me that Uncontrolled Parsnip keeps referring to Sam as Abe Lincoln. He's not Lincoln, he just dresses up like him at Presidential Conventions.

Greenskyzero

09-28-2009, 10:35 PM

man, i'm glad i'm not the only one who isnt feeling the strip jam at this point. I felt bad asking to be skipped, but I just went two or three panels before and I really wasnt feeling up to it. the train has derailed and gonna flying into a ravine where it is currently on fire.

I didnt intend on pumpkin to be a member of team seven but what can you do, I was trying to move towards a new storyline which is what I thought everyone wanted, guess not everyone got the memo.

whats with the 4th wall break in parsnips newest panel? strange.

jessemunoz

09-28-2009, 10:59 PM

my latest page is scheduled.
http://jessemunoz.com/anchorbird/comics/2009-09-30-anchorbird_jesse8.jpg

its going to be my last for a while. i'm loving the webcomic and wish i could participate more but i just did 4 pages in less than a month. i've got more work and a new job and i just need to take a break. i'll be around i just can't do a page for a bit.

Wild&Uncouth

09-28-2009, 11:12 PM

larq2525

09-29-2009, 02:54 AM

@Turtleboat - What color are you planning to make Gruesmoon's laser blast in your next page?

godwin

09-29-2009, 06:20 AM

pre lim page is up
Going to catch hell for this but here goes. Everyone and their brother has done the fantasy world they travel to ending up being a dream. I wanted to throw a curveball on an old cliché. This is just my opinion, I really don’t care where AB comes from but more concerned where he is going.
But if it appeases , maybe the director is a new villain.

godwin

09-29-2009, 06:23 AM

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 07:48 AM

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 07:52 AM

Well, Jesus Christ, people. I was holding onto my news until we got all 64 pages published, but with everybody announcing their departures I feel like just another guy 'taking a break.'

Except in this instance I'm stepping down stepping down. My main goal was to contribute as an artist and editor for the first book. Once the first book is published and available to be bought off of Ka-Blam, I will be stepping down as editor and I will no longer be contributing to Anchorbird. Not forever, but for the long foreseeable future.

I wanted the first issue to be as stand alone and as awesome as possible, because I figured it was the main goal we all had. It seems I figured right, seeing as how only a few have slapped down any placeholders after Page 64, and people keep taking turns announcing they're taking breaks (Schock, Scott, Jesse, now me).

Scott, I don't know how you plan on handling the rest of the book. If it continues and we keep pushing forward with the placeholders- cool. I will edit and do my thing until we get the book out. Seeing as how everyone is stepping down and/or not throwing down new placeholders, I say you might want to consider putting a hold on any future AB storyline until you know what everyone is doing, or you get a new squad of contributors. Sean, Jesse, TurtleBoat, Taro Mochi, Me, Jesse, Schock, You- there are a lot of people who are M.I.A.

Thoughts?

Well, my thoughts on this are that Anchorbird cannot continue at this point. Sean and I are taking breaks, you're stepping down... that means we don't have any editors anymore. And with half the people also taking breaks, I don't think we can keep doing this.

I would say we could replace the people who are on a break, but history has shown that every person who's interested in working on Anchorbird already is. We can't even find a 16th person to fill out the list due to lack of interest.

So either we take a hiatus for the foreseeable future, or we pull the plug on Anchorbird altogether. Which sucks for Joe, Godwin, and Oscar, since their three pages came after #64 and won't be in the book.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 08:17 AM

Okay, I've been giving this some thought. I really like Anchorbird and I don't want to see it end. So for me, pulling the plug on it permanently isn't an option. Here's what I think we should do.

The 64th page would be the last one to go up on the site for a while. We put out the print comic, and take a few months break. Then next summer, around the same time we started this year (May '10), we start it back up again. I'll start sending out emails and trying to get the same guys who did issue 1 on board, and if we have any empty spaces we fill them with new guys. Do another issue and put it on hiatus again.

What do you think?

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 08:27 AM

I think that's a completely adequate idea to put AB on hiatus.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 08:32 AM

I'll put up a poll and we can all vote on it.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 08:38 AM

http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97469

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 08:43 AM

If we do decide to keep it going, maybe I could ask on the moderator board to see if anyone's interested in taking over editor duties.

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 09:37 AM

Also, concerning Godwin's page- bleuurrggrgh. WTF is that?

No offense to Godwin, but not only is this twist one of the most cliche, over-used twists ever, but justifying it by suggesting that the villain is an evil director? Yikes. This page is the text book definition of "derailment."

I think we'd be better off taking a break if this is the barrel from where ideas are being scraped out of.

SHOULD ANCHORBIRD GO ON HIATUS, CONTINUE AS IS, OR STOP COMPLETELY? VOTE NOW. (http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97469)

Greenskyzero

09-29-2009, 10:05 AM

I voted for hiatus.

as for godwins page sorry man, no...just no.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 10:18 AM

I put a revision required on godwin's page, but I didn't post a deadline. If we decide to go on hiatus (which is what it's looking like), we won't need to worry about his page for another seven months. We should figure out what we're going to do soon, since we have Joe working on a page right now that might never see the light of day, or might not come out until next summer. Maybe I should tell him to hold off on completing the page.

I just want to say one thing about hiatuses. I started a webcomic in late 2006 called Flight of the Living Dead some of you may be aware of. It got off to a huge start, I had thousands of readers every week, but then I decided to take a hiatus for a little while. The hiatus was only a couple months but by the time I got back to drawing the comic, interest had dropped dramatically and no one was reading it anymore. I eventually stopped drawing the comic after a few more updates and haven't done anything with it since October 2007.

So, I know we don't have any readers right now anyway, but I just want people to be aware that by putting it on hiatus, we're killing any momentum we've built up, and the chances are good that we might never come back to finish this story up. By keeping it going, even if the updates are slow, we're keeping a tiny bit of momentum going and keeping the comic in people's minds.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 10:24 AM

I sent a PM to Frontirre letting him know to hold off on completing his Anchorbird page until we know for sure what we're doing. If we decide to keep going I'll extend his deadline.

godwin

09-29-2009, 10:25 AM

Nah i'm not doing any revisions . the Vietnam idea whas been overdone and needs to be killed. I like the idea, but I can understand if no one else does. Just skip it no big deal.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 10:28 AM

Nah i'm not doing any revisions . the Vietnam idea whas been overdone and needs to be killed. I like the idea, but I can understand if no one else does. Just skip it no big deal.

I don't know if you're talking about the Vietnam thing being overdone in Anchorbird or in fiction in general, but I think there's still a lot of untapped potential for things we could do with Anchorbird going back and forth between Vietnam and Colthoria.

The "it was all a dream" or "it was all a movie" thing, though? That's the biggest cliche ever. It's been done thousands of times before and it's also an insult to readers, since it means nothing that's happened so far has had any real consequence. The "actual story," in other words, hasn't started yet.

So yeah, I'm skipping you. If you don't want to do a revision, that's fine, but there's no way I'm approving your page.

godwin

09-29-2009, 10:40 AM

Not a problem the hiatus thing may be a good idea. Maybe we can catch up with our boy fighting the giant turkey at thanksgiving. I'll bring the sweet potatoe pie.
yum yum

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 10:42 AM

Not a problem the hiatus thing may be a good idea. Maybe we can catch up with our boy fighting the giant turkey at thanksgiving. I'll bring the sweet potatoe pie.
yum yum

You should cast your vote, Godwin.

SHOULD ANCHORBIRD GO ON HIATUS, CONTINUE AS IS, OR STOP COMPLETELY? VOTE NOW. (http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97469)

godwin

09-29-2009, 10:55 AM

Yeah I will, taking to heart what Scott said about losing readers, well ahem we got that one guy, maybe if we send him a personal note. And then. The new improved Anchorbird .

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 10:56 AM

I just want to say one thing about hiatuses. I started a webcomic in late 2006 called Flight of the Living Dead some of you may be aware of. It got off to a huge start, I had thousands of readers every week, but then I decided to take a hiatus for a little while. The hiatus was only a couple months but by the time I got back to drawing the comic, interest had dropped dramatically and no one was reading it anymore. I eventually stopped drawing the comic after a few more updates and haven't done anything with it since October 2007.

So, I know we don't have any readers right now anyway, but I just want people to be aware that by putting it on hiatus, we're killing any momentum we've built up, and the chances are good that we might never come back to finish this story up. By keeping it going, even if the updates are slow, we're keeping a tiny bit of momentum going and keeping the comic in people's minds.

I voted for hiatus, but here's the thing- if I don't feel like contributing, why WOULDN'T I want hiatus?

If I had the option of either "Should AB end or should AB keep going?" then I would vote to keep it going (with the people available, or switch up the roster completely for anyone who bows out).

But you gave everyone cop-out wiggle room with teh option to put it on Hiatus. I have no idea if I'll ever get back to AB, even if we decide to do it again in a year. AB was hard. It was a great exercise. But it's definitely only interesting to us. I've already accomplished my goal. I was hoping AB would have legs to the point where once I stopped it would still have plenty of contributors, and at least 4-5 people chomping at the bit to be an editor (it's hard, people. it sucks being the 'bad' guy).

I was interested in seeing where other minds would take the comic.

So, yeah, Scott. I think you're going to see that 'hiatus' will win the poll. Most people voting are from AB, and most of them don't feel like contributing right now. So if we can 'pause' the comic we totally will.

It would be much more cut and dry if it was just "Should AB stop? Yes or no."

If most people vote no, but there aren't a lot of contributors, then it's up to you (especially), me (for the time being), and Sean to figure out what we should do based off the poll. Just how much time do we have to commit to recruiting and editing and making arguments and maintaining a level of quality? I'm stopping because I don't have any more available time. Other people might. New blood.

Think about it.

SHOULD ANCHORBIRD GO ON HIATUS, CONTINUE AS IS, OR STOP COMPLETELY? VOTE NOW. (http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97469)

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 11:04 AM

I voted for hiatus, but here's the thing- if I don't feel like contributing, why WOULDN'T I want hiatus?

Maybe you'd like to see what other people do with the concept until you return to it later on.

I think I'd want Anchorbird to continue even if I weren't involved, as long as I knew it was in capable hands. I actually posted a message in the moderator section, asking if anyone would be interested in being an editor if we do keep this thing going. So far no interest.

You're right though, that Anchorbird is only interesting to us. I have no idea why, since I think it's a very interesting and exciting comic, but any messages I post on other boards, or even PJ itself, advertising the comic, gets met with apathy. It sucks, but the 15 of us are probably the only people that will ever care if Anchorbird goes away.

My hope was to let the few people who are left keep this thing going for the time being until we can get other people interested in joining, but I don't want to be the only editor on this. When I decided to take a break, it was as editor too. I spend most of my time either drawing Anchorbird or discussing Anchorbird in this thread. That needs to stop, much as I love the comic.

The thing is, I just hate giving up on this comic. I know going on hiatus isn't exactly giving up, but it almost feels like it because I don't know if any of us are going to come back. I doubt it, actually. I gave up on Flight of the Living Dead, I gave up on Titus, I've given up on other comics before, and I've never finished a comic story before. I've finished an issue, but I've never in my life gotten to the end of a comic story because I've always given up part way through and gone on to something else.

This time I want to see the Anchorbird saga come to an end.

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 11:12 AM

Maybe you'd like to see what other people do with the concept until you return to it later on.

...

The thing is, I just hate giving up on this comic. I know going on hiatus isn't exactly giving up, but it almost feels like it because I don't know if any of us are going to come back. I doubt it, actually. I gave up on Flight of the Living Dead, I've given up on other comics before, and I've never finished a comic story before. I've finished an issue, but I've never in my life gotten to the end of a comic story because I've always given up part way through and gone on to something else.

This time I want to see the Anchorbird saga come to an end.

To address your reply to my comment, we're on the same page. I would much rather see the comic continue than have it put on hiatus. Like I said, I was hoping there would be legs for the comic to stand on after the first issue completed. Instead everyone felt basically the same way I felt, "Well, time to leave." But for the record, I was hoping there would be more people to step up and take on larger roles in AB.

About finishing a comic for once? You picked the motherf*cker of all projects to do that with. A comic book with no script, no plot synopsis, and a group of 16(in theory) writer/artists who constantly are bowing in and out? What the hell, Scott?! I feel we did finish something. My goal was to finish a comic book. We got one whole issue. That's awesome. That's something special.

If you want to finish what you start, dude, write a self-contained 22 pager!

SHOULD ANCHORBIRD GO ON HIATUS, CONTINUE AS IS, OR STOP COMPLETELY? VOTE NOW. (http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97469)

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 11:17 AM

About finishing a comic for once? You picked the motherf*cker of all projects to do that with. A comic book with no script, no plot synopsis, and a group of 16(in theory) writer/artists who constantly are bowing in and out? What the hell, Scott?! I feel we did finish something. My goal was to finish a comic book. We got one whole issue. That's awesome. That's something special.

It is awesome that we finished an issue, but that was not my goal. The "print" aspect of it was a secondary thing, something to hold in our hands once we had enough pages to fill up an issue. My goal was to create an ongoing webcomic. We lasted four months. Yes, it's great that we have something to show for our work, but I'm not satisfied with ending it here.

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 11:41 AM

It is awesome that we finished an issue, but that was not my goal. The "print" aspect of it was a secondary thing, something to hold in our hands once we had enough pages to fill up an issue. My goal was to create an ongoing webcomic. We lasted four months. Yes, it's great that we have something to show for our work, but I'm not satisfied with ending it here.

Once again, I totally agree. It would be nice to have a penultimate, definitive ending. I knew from the beginning that unless this comic ended at page 64 (a reasonable goal considering), that I probably wouldn't be around for the ending. Maybe I would, but I was definitely sure that I was signing on for the first issue.

It would be nice to have an ending. People may still rally forth and say "let's keep going!" But if you too were also ready to take a step back from drawing and editorial duties after issue 1, then your responsibilities to the comic are ending a well. I'm assuming you were planning on joining back up later, having left AB in capable hands. But there aren't any capable hands (yet) to leave the comic with.

What I'm saying is, if you personally want to see this comic 'finished,' then you shouldn't be stepping down if the comic will die when you do.

Just like the plot of AB, it seems everyone's goals for AB were also murky and unpredictable as hell. I actually find it comforting that people were just as intent on pushing through to the end of the first issue before stepping back as I was (you included)- it was a goal. We've accomplished it. If you want to finish the story then put the comic on hiatus until you can devote more time to its organization. Losing readership is not a concern AT ALL. AB won't die on the vine if you decide to hang it up for a bit.

The next time you're ready to contribute, you'll put out the call, previous participants will be like, "Yeah, let'd do it again! I'm re-energized!" New potential participants need only be directed to the first chapter to see what it is they could be signing on to do.

Nobody has to feel like they failed here, Scott.

SHOULD ANCHORBIRD GO ON HIATUS, CONTINUE AS IS, OR STOP COMPLETELY? VOTE NOW. (http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97469)

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 11:49 AM

It would be nice to have an ending. People may still rally forth and say "let's keep going!" But if you too were also ready to take a step back from drawing and editorial duties after issue 1, then your responsibilities to the comic are ending a well. I'm assuming you were planning on joining back up later, having left AB in capable hands. But there aren't any capable hands (yet) to leave the comic with.

My plan, if we keep going, is to find a couple more editors to take over, stick with it for a while and help them understand what we want to accomplish with Anchorbird, and when I'm sure the comic is in good hands, back off as editor and just maintain the placeholder thread (putting up deadlines and skipping people). I would still be involved, just not to the level I have been. Our roles have been like directors thus far, I'd rather take on the role of producer from here on out.

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 11:55 AM

Like a mentoring program or job-training. Gotcha.

Well then I say keep the comic going, regardless of the poll. I would recommend you check in and ask everyone if they plan on taking a break for more than a month. If they do, then cut them out and bring in some new blood. I think we can all agree that diversity makes the world go 'round.

There are still plenty of things to do in Colthoria. There are plenty of adventures to dream up. I've thought of a bunch of possible story arcs, but have quietly filed them away in my brain, knowing that I will have to resign to seeing other people figure out how it will all work.

Most importantly, the main thing AB doesn't need is people hemming and hawwing at whether they'll be participating or not. Chapter 2 needs a concreted list of active participants.

SHOULD ANCHORBIRD GO ON HIATUS, CONTINUE AS IS, OR STOP COMPLETELY? VOTE NOW. (http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97469)

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 12:05 PM

Well, I think that's what I'll do then. Put the comic on temporary hiatus and start finding people to contribute to chapter two. Once I have a full list, then we can start.

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 12:08 PM

Cool. Like I stated earlier, I won't resign from my active editor duties until Issue 1 is 100% ready for printing and purchase. I'll keep editing new posts (if the hiatus ends before the issue is out). Please don't consider me as an active participant in the 'drawing and writing' sense for Chapter 2's roster though.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 02:01 PM

Okay. I'm going to start right now. I'll send PMs to everyone involved in Anchorbird and ask whether they plan to contribute to chapter two. I'll also post messages in the Bulletin Board and on other boards that I visit and try to get a new roster of people.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 02:08 PM

Here's what we have so far. We have 3 contributors, 5 potential contributors, and zero editors.

Edit: Spidey, godwin, and jfrontirre are in; and bravado-bomb's taking a break.

Chapter two roster

Organizer

ScottEwen

Editors

--
--
--

Contributors

-- Spidey
-- jfrontirre
-- godwin
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--

Former Contributors

-- Wild&Uncouth (on break)
-- SeanRM (on break)
-- Taro Mochi (on break)
-- Aceschock (on break)
-- jessemunoz (on break)
-- bravado-bomb (on break)
-- Turtle Boat (?)
-- Greenskyzero (?)
-- caseycp (?)
-- larq2525 (?)
-- walterostlie (?)

Spidey

09-29-2009, 06:52 PM

I can come back on board as a contributor, but to be an editor is really time consuming. Maybe if I can streamline the things that I have coming up this month I can consider it.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 06:55 PM

I can come back on board as a contributor, but to be an editor is really time consuming. Maybe if I can streamline the things that I have coming up this month I can consider it.

I understand. I had no idea how time-consuming being an editor would be. That's why, for this chapter, I'm opening it up so that people can be a contributor, or an editor, or both if they want. So potentially we could have 20 people working on this: 16 contributors, 3 editors, and moi.

ScottEwen

09-29-2009, 07:33 PM

I've gotten messages from two people that are interested in being involved in Chapter Two:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=19154614&albumId=2450466
and
http://alexcat321.deviantart.com/

Alexcat actually did three test pages of Anchorbird. Hopefully he doesn't mind that I'm posting them:
http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs50/i/2009/272/5/c/Anchorbird_Page_1_by_Alexcat321.jpg
http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs51/i/2009/272/e/3/Anchorbird_Page_2_by_Alexcat321.jpg
http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs50/i/2009/272/0/7/Anchorbird_Page_3_by_Alexcat321.jpg

The story leaves a little to be desired to me, seems like something out of DragonBall Z.

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 08:53 PM

It's a little "WHO IS DRIVING BEAR IS DRIVING THAT'S NOT RIGHT!!!!"

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 08:55 PM

Here's a blast from the past for all you StripJam enthusiasts! You can download it here. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kajusx/3968049070/sizes/l/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2475/3968049070_062f64b7dc_b.jpg

bravado-bomb

09-29-2009, 09:01 PM

Hey, I remember that! Three of my creations are on there! Angry face (in the side car of the motorcycle), Metafire(tm) and Sweet Jesus! Although I give Scott partial credit for Sweet Jesus since he is the one who had someone calling out "Sweet Jesus!" a panel before mine, unknowingly naming one of my favorite characters.

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 09:43 PM

Don't you mean Metafire™?

You hit alt+2 to get ™.

P.S. I still love shit-face Kyle with Bob Kane's Spider-Man drawing on his shirt. He didn't even appear in an actual strip!
Sippy-Can™ and Mayo-Dogs™ are also awesome!

Spidey

09-29-2009, 10:02 PM

Alexcat's pages are a little dragon ball Zish, but not bad I guess.

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 10:09 PM

Alexcat's pages are a little dragon ball Zish, but not bad I guess.

AlexCat's pages seem to be a Dragonball Z parody of Anchorbird. That's the best way i can describe it.

Wild&Uncouth

09-29-2009, 10:32 PM

P.P.S. To all the Kubert guys on here- Goddamn Yezek was comedy gold our third year of school.

Jew Trucker ("I'm not Jewish!") AND Yez-Horse ("I'm not a HORSE!")

lolz - good times, good times.

larq2525

09-29-2009, 10:56 PM

Concerning Godwin's page:

It disappeared from the Anchorbird Forum before I got a chance to see it. After reading people's thoughts on it, I really, really wish I hadn't missed it. It sounds...well, it sounds like something you've got to see to believe.

Concerning Alexcat's pages:

Yes. DBZ. Nothing wrong with the art, but DBZ nonetheless.

Concerning Yezek:

Scott and I got to live with him for 3 straight years, which I'm sure he'd agree was both a gift and a curse.

godwin

09-30-2009, 12:18 AM

[QUOTE=larq2525;1085898]Concerning Godwin's page:

It disappeared from the Anchorbird Forum before I got a chance to see it. After reading people's thoughts on it, I really, really wish I hadn't missed it. It sounds...well, it sounds like something you've got to see to believe.QUOTE]
larq I hate to interrupt you. I will let you say your piece in a moment, but yes Godwin's page was one of the greatest pages of all time. Thank you Mr. West. If you want i will send you a copy.
better yet i will post just the art on my deviant page and Let any creative types write dialogue.

Spidey

09-30-2009, 02:39 AM

Strip Jam is like so goddamn retarded now... I didn't even bother trying to tie shit up. I think it's funner that way though.

ScottEwen

09-30-2009, 08:07 AM

Concerning Godwin's page:

It disappeared from the Anchorbird Forum before I got a chance to see it. After reading people's thoughts on it, I really, really wish I hadn't missed it. It sounds...well, it sounds like something you've got to see to believe.

It involved Anchorbird in bed in the Vietnam hospital, then someone off-panel yells "Cut!" and we see a director saying "you're just not feeling it, what's wrong?" or something like that.

ScottEwen

09-30-2009, 08:15 AM

Added Rian to the list of contributors and Greenskyzero is going on break.

Chapter two roster

Organizer

ScottEwen

Editors

--
--
--

Contributors

-- Spidey
-- jfrontirre
-- godwin
-- larq2525
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--
--

Former Contributors

-- Wild&Uncouth (on break)
-- SeanRM (on break)
-- Taro Mochi (on break)
-- Aceschock (on break)
-- jessemunoz (on break)
-- bravado-bomb (on break)
-- Greenskyzero (on break)
-- caseycp (on break)
-- Turtle Boat (?)
-- walterostlie (?)

Here are some more people interested in Anchorbird:

Someone named Josh, someone named Isaac, and someone named Alex sent me emails but no links to websites or deviantarts.

Hector Rodriguez: http://www.comicspace.com/neoguyver/

walterostlie

09-30-2009, 08:53 AM

I'm still lurking around, have a few projects I have to finish up.

caseycp

09-30-2009, 11:29 AM

Could this be the end of our hero?!...

Been out of the loop for a bit; gonna weigh in here (probably unnecessarily).

I signed up to this message board back in January for the specific purpose of getting out of a long artistic slump, and hopefully getting inspired to get the gears moving again on new projects and illustrations, using draw-offs and strip-jams as workouts. I found that inspiration in spades in the NESJ and especially Anchorbird (thank you PencilJack!) I've always loved stripjams, and was amazed that there was a longform one on this site, where people actually brought up facts and characters that were mentioned months earlier! I actually had to sit down and read all the pages before i put down a placeholder...but i digress. And then when I saw Anchorbird starting up, i was stoked. In the last couple months I've turned out way more finished work for Anchorbird than in the past two years.

That being said, Anchorbird is a lot of work. I was already planning on taking a break after the last page I put up. I marked my calendar for October 13, exactly 30 days after my last page was posted to see how I felt about continuing. And then as the page count neared 64, the climate around here seemed to intensify. I always thought that the print-comic milestone was arbitrary and that the webcomic format is the true essence of this project. And then having one of the project's editors say that all my contributions to the message board are meaningless and predictable...well that soured the Anchorbird experience for me even further.

I am taking a break, but I do hope Anchorbird continues. Even if it's a slow burn compared to the lighting round it's been, I think it should live (with fresh blood hopefully). As Scott said, projects that take breaks usually never come back.

Sorry for my long-winded Anchorbird confessional. This project has definitely been a blast. And if my filled-up sketchbook is any indication, it's definitely kicked me in the ass to get drawing again. I do have another Anchorbird piece in the hopper that I'm struggling to get done for the draw-off due tomorrow (think I might've bit off more than I can chew...we'll see).

Viva la Anchorbird!

Wild&Uncouth

09-30-2009, 11:42 AM

And then having one of the project's editors say that all my contributions to the message board are meaningless and predictable...well that soured the Anchorbird experience for me even further.

Oh, WHAT THE F*CK, Casey?!

The only thing I ever commented on was that I usually had a general idea of what your opinion was going to be on someone's page (whether you liked it or didn't like it, and why), and that's only because you've been pretty vocal on this board, loving the role of devil's advocate (which you invoke ALL the time).

You were soured by the fact that someone said, "hey, i think I know your tastes." ?! WTF.

I never meant to upset you casey nor impact your contributions to any jam. I've always liked your NESJ panels. I've always liked your AB pages. If you were feeling bad because of something i said, then it is solely your responsibility to let me know that something I've done is effecting you. I can't fix a problem if no one ever let's me know there is a problem.

THe more the layers are peeled back, the more I'm eagerly anticipating stepping down as an editor. The amount of BUTT-HURT involved in these projects is absolutely f*cking ridiculous.

caseycp

09-30-2009, 11:57 AM

Karl: in particular it was your line: "I think this is (insert transitive verb here)." Which i took to mean that all my contributions could be summed up with this boilerplate. No, I'm sure it wasn't intended maliciously, but i was taken aback by it. Then i had to step back and be like "I'm getting riled up by what someone said on a message board? WTF?" So yeah, that's when I checked out for awhile. And yes, it's on me that I took it personally when I probably shouldn't have.

And what's funny is that right around then you posted your "machete-head-bisect" page to the blog. And I actually said out loud "he's abrasive and can come across like a dick on the message board, but GODDAMN can he draw a comic page!" Prolly my favorite page of the strip...

Wild&Uncouth

09-30-2009, 12:04 PM

Yeah, I constantly acknowledge how gung-ho I am with saying f*cked-up, poorly-worded shit. I work on it constantly. A lot of times I'm throwing ideas against a wall to see if they stick. If you press on me about things I say because you feel it's f*cked up, then i can usually immediately comb over what I've said and see where there was a disconnect, or where I unintentionally trivialized. BLANKET STATEMENTS are a big area I'm working on. They're a go-to because they require little work, but I'm always unsatisfied with them once I've made them. I usually try to write everything out slowly and re-read it, but seeing as how other than Scott, I have the most comments on this discussion board, a lot of it can slip right on through the cracks.

I'm happy to hear you like my machete page. I just like machetes. And all the pages of Gortnoq before mine had him whirling it around without actually hacking anything in two, and as soon as I realized that head was ripe for choppin', well, it had to be done.

I'm glad you're drawing more now. I am too.

caseycp

09-30-2009, 12:19 PM

by the way, should we all chip in and throw some clams to Jesse for the domain name and webhosting?

godwin

09-30-2009, 12:24 PM

Spidey's page
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Spyderizzle/stripjam.jpg
and now the purple koolaid guy. As Jim Morrison said " I don't know about you, but i'm gonna get ny kicks before the whole s**thouse goes up in flames." Aw too late .

jessemunoz

09-30-2009, 12:26 PM

by the way, should we all chip in and throw some clams to Jesse for the domain name and webhosting?

I'm not going to turn down money but its not a big deal. Don't feel like you have to pitch in.

godwin

09-30-2009, 12:30 PM

G damn that's generous Jesse , we all owe you a debt of gratitude.

caseycp

09-30-2009, 12:32 PM

I'm not going to turn down money but its not a big deal. Don't feel like you have to pitch in.
What's a good Paypal address for you? It's only fair, i figure.

ScottEwen

09-30-2009, 01:05 PM

We need to talk about the cover, and I'd like to get it finished up before everyone who's going on break goes off to do other stuff.

caseycp

09-30-2009, 02:02 PM

Karl's cover concept was cool. But i don't know who wants to handle actually drawing it. Was there any interest in the suggestion of splitting up the duties (pencils, inks, colors)?

I had another cover thumbnail in my sketchbook that was along the same lines...but even more obscure. it was just a close up of AB's sock covered foot on a sandy beach with the Kryder coming up to it.

ScottEwen

09-30-2009, 03:26 PM

We have a new editor for chapter two, C_lawson.

Chapter two roster

Organizer

-- ScottEwen

Editors

-- C_lawson
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Contributors

-- Spidey
-- jfrontirre
-- godwin
-- larq2525
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Former Contributors

-- Wild&Uncouth (on break)
-- SeanRM (on break)
-- Taro Mochi (on break)
-- Aceschock (on break)
-- jessemunoz (on break)
-- bravado-bomb (on break)
-- Greenskyzero (on break)
-- caseycp (on break)
-- Turtle Boat (?)
-- walterostlie (?)

caseycp

09-30-2009, 08:58 PM

Re: anchorbird.com - is it possible to put a link to the first page on the bar above the art? (with the home, about, and contact buttons). I know there's the "first" button under the art, but having it super visible i think would help newcomers to the site.

jessemunoz

09-30-2009, 11:20 PM

What's a good Paypal address for you? It's only fair, i figure.

jesselmunoz@gmail.com is my paypal address. Thanks!

KRAZYRICKY1

10-01-2009, 09:26 AM

Strip Jam is like so goddamn retarded now... I didn't even bother trying to tie shit up. I think it's funner that way though.

I'm digging the art, but i have no clue where you're going with the story, ah-well. Hopefully I wont have to skip my turn again, as long as it comes before Oct 14 I'm good.

Wild&Uncouth

10-01-2009, 10:33 AM

How's your AB page coming along, Spidey?
I'm excited to see it because your last page was forever ago, and there are objects/vehicles/characters that you're doing your first take on.

Should be cool!

Wild&Uncouth

10-01-2009, 11:41 AM

Casey, I wanted to hit up this point you made yesterday, but sat on it for a bit so that I didn't have any residual WTF-ness in my system.

And then as the page count neared 64, the climate around here seemed to intensify. I always thought that the print-comic milestone was arbitrary and that the webcomic format is the true essence of this project.

Right from the start we have always been planning on printing out the first 64 pages as a comic to buy for ourselves. At first there was no emphasis on the importance of chapters or cliffhangers for this particular arc, but I think wanting to bring the story to some sort of cliffhanger/chapter break evolved as an idea naturally as the story progressed. If anything, at the very least, people saw page 64 as a good stopping point (regardless of how intense the environment was getting as we got close to this particular goal).

It's true that the webcomic is truly where this collaborative story has its legs. The comic book is arbitrary in that regard. But having something to hold in your hands is such a nice incentive to do good work; your art is going to be included with a bunch of other people who are all bringing their A game, money is going to be spent on it, and everyone wants it to look good. You can't get that on a computer screen, nor are we getting to see the cool link-ups and parings the full pages will afford us (granted, we could make a website do this, but I like that this particular perk is only available through print).

Having a stopping point such as a first issue chapter break is a good way to insure that the story won't forever be what the NESJ is— a never-ending completely unreliable story with no light at the end of the tunnel. Story Purgatory. Nothing ever gets wrapped up nicely. The whole thing contradicts itself, forcing its participants to ignore most of what has come before their turn. (don't get me wrong, the NESJ can be fun and is a good excuse to draw a panel of ridiculous shit, but my point is it doesn't make ANY SENSE, whereas the goal of AB is to make sense).

If one were to be stuck in a snowed-in cabin in the arctic, the NESJ would be the equivalent of severe cabin fever. "When am i gonna get out of here?! Will the snow EVER melt?!" Anchorbird, with the goal of getting to something satisfying in 64 pages, is the equivalent of knowing the date and time that all that snow is going to melt. So whatever business you need to do in that cabin needs to generally be done by such-and-such a time, because after that you can step out from the cabin and see what you've done. Stories thrive on deadlines.

So yeah, the environment got tense at the end, but it was for a very valid reason. We're nearing the end of something, and we would like it to have some sort of crescendo. All it really did was force us to write a different part of the storytelling template: yes, 2nd act stuff is fun to do, having people running around and switching up advantages of the characters, but let's get some third act shit going already! That's where most of the edits came from- all of us have it in ourselves to step up our game beyond what's comfortable and really put forth some good, hard-hitting shit. Gruesmark washing up on shore was 2nd act fodder. We're in the 3rd act (of the first arc or whatever), what else have you got?

I'm pretty satisfied with what we got out of the last 5-6 participants. If we hadn't pushed for a higher level of involvement from everybody and not curbed the instinct to forever snip each other's invisible storyline threads to bring forth yet another 'twist' (as has been the norm throughout), then I think we'd still be stuck in a bit of 2nd act purgatory. They'd still be fighting the MT the same old way until one of us very blatantly would kill off the MT with no set-up whatsoever so that something NEW could finally happen in the story.

I'm kind of ranting now, and it's 100% inspired by throwing out these points and just to voice my love of talking about the structure of this damn thing. Casey, please don't feel that I'm lecturing you or anything. I just used your observation as a springboard here to explore the inner workings of the collaboration. I wanted to address my reasoning behind really pushing for a good chapter break and my feelings towards its importance— namely, building upon the story's foundation in an adequate fashion to give it some legs and get out of the MT Threat Saga in a natural manner. As a bonus we were able to address AB's origins as well, which was so very cool to have happen.

I learned a lot pushing this comic towards the end of the first chapter, and I'm happy as hell that it didn't slip into NESJ territory during my tenure. I'm looking forward to seeing where the new roster takes it all in Chapter 2.

godwin

10-01-2009, 12:56 PM

Heads up 6 more days until the nesj 1 year anniversary.

jessemunoz

10-01-2009, 01:45 PM

My server host sent me this. I don't know how long it will be down, but AB is down until they get it back up.

Alert
We are currently experiencing accessibility issues with one of our data centers and apologize for the inconvenience. In the interim, we are disabling access to control panel tools, to minimize the effects to your site.

caseycp

10-01-2009, 02:14 PM

jesselmunoz@gmail.com is my paypal address. Thanks!
As my father would say, I just pissed in your pocket.

jessemunoz

10-01-2009, 02:29 PM

As my father would say, I just pissed in your pocket.

thats my new favorite quote! Thanks, Casey!

caseycp

10-01-2009, 03:12 PM

Karl: well thought and well said. I too am looking forward to an actual printed book in my hands. I think it will be a well-earned trophy for all of us for this strange endeavor over the last couple months. i just had issue with the fact it seemed like the completed "issue" became the only motivation/deadline for a moment there. In retrospect, though, it seems that ALL the editing changes since this thing started have been for the best of the overall beast. Even weird stuff that didn't sit well, like TurtleBoat's page that went MIA, doesn't "show up" to the audience (if we had one). If you read the whole thing front to back, as i did the other day, it flows amazingly well for being such a Frankenstein's monster (in fact the only thing that stuck out for me was we never get to see what or where "the village" is!) I applaud your job as editor as well as Scott, Spidey, and Sean. That's a job I'm bad at. Even during crits in art school, I always found it hard to condemn anything.

My fear now is that Anchorbird will die once the dead-tree version is printed. And maybe that's ok...but I do want to see what happens next in Colthoria...

ScottEwen

10-01-2009, 03:18 PM

I do want to see what happens next in Colthoria...

Me too, man. Me too.

Sigh.

Wild&Uncouth

10-01-2009, 04:30 PM

I'm pretty shocked by the large amount of people taking leave from AB. I'm saddened with leaving AB, but I have to right now. I just did not know so many were planning on leaving around the same time.

Spidey

10-01-2009, 07:33 PM

I should finish my page tonight.

jessemunoz

10-01-2009, 08:52 PM

the server is back up.

Spidey

10-02-2009, 02:52 AM

Sorry, won't be able to be able to finish colors until later today. Is it alright if I publish it with a 10-3 date?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Spyderizzle/Webcomic-p61-lines.jpg

caseycp

10-02-2009, 10:09 AM

Damn nice page, Spidey! Your (digital?) inking skills leave me in awe. I love looking at people's behind-the-scenes steps. Can't wait to see it colored.

Oh and for what it's worth, my anti-climactic AB drawoff is posted...
http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97557

Wild&Uncouth

10-02-2009, 10:18 AM

Oh and for what it's worth, my anti-climactic AB drawoff is posted...
http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97557

It seems Godwin's never progressed past his initial color rough.
Alex's stuff is a great parody, but with Gortnoq looking absolutely ridiculous I just can't get behind it.

Casey, yours is my fav. It calls back simpler times, like maybe this was a few days before AB arrived. The King and his loyal retainers. Sippin' on wine and shit. So yeah, I voted for yours (especially if we're still doing that back cover thing, yours is definitely the best-suited).

godwin

10-02-2009, 10:25 AM

Oh, man I forgot all about this. Proof I have lost my mind. I will finish this, which means I have to get a lady friend to pose for me, damn my luck.

caseycp

10-02-2009, 10:47 AM

@Karl: Thanks for the props. Definitely the scene i was trying to invoke, sorta slice of life before the crisis, with Gortnoq still looking all militant. It was my first attempt at using Dr.Martin's inks, and i dunno i think the overall result is kinda...meh. But glad you dig it.

@Godwin:
Yeah, i was looking forward to your finished piece, but due to the low turnout I popped your rough into the poll as well. Hope you don't mind. I would like to see your finished illo though.

Spidey

10-02-2009, 12:21 PM

Damn nice page, Spidey! Your (digital?) inking skills leave me in awe. I love looking at people's behind-the-scenes steps. Can't wait to see it colored.

Thanks, yeah this was digital, but more rushed than usual. Sometimes I'll go traditional on my inks or do half and half. It depends on what mood I'm in.

Wild&Uncouth

10-02-2009, 12:45 PM

How's the page coming along, Spidey? You know I'm anxious.

That first shot of Elsa is super-cool! Your Sentry Bird is also super-bad-ass.

Spidey

10-03-2009, 01:48 AM

Alright, my page is up.
http://www.vcoders.org/forum/images/smilies/Sleeping_smiley.gif

ScottEwen

10-03-2009, 08:14 AM

Alright, my page is up.
http://www.vcoders.org/forum/images/smilies/Sleeping_smiley.gif

Cool. I gave you an orange X yesterday because of the missed deadline. Thanks for getting it done and doing an awesome job. :lml-: :-lml:

Wild&Uncouth

10-03-2009, 10:15 AM

Great page, Spidey!
I love Gortnoq's face in the second to last panel, and the lighting effects from the sun orb are super--cool!

I also just noticed that this is the second time in the story where Elsa spots something in the sky, and both times happen right before the Moon Tyrant shows up. If I was in Colthoria hanging around Elsa, I'd never want to look where she was pointing! I'd be like, "Hey, keep your arms down. Don't point, don't look up!"

caseycp

10-03-2009, 01:07 PM

Excellent page, Spidey. And yes, that under-lighting on Gortnoq is the shizzle!

Correct me if i'm wrong, but is this the first time in the actual strip one of the characters refers to a "big D"? I always thought that was just our nickname we gave those things on the discussion board, and the real name was that crazy long Welsh word that translated to 'destroyer'. Not that i think it needs changing or anything, just an observation. Perhaps the Colthorians gave it the same nickname we did.

Wild&Uncouth

10-03-2009, 01:29 PM

Correct me if i'm wrong, but is this the first time in the actual strip one of the characters refers to a "big D"? I always thought that was just our nickname we gave those things on the discussion board, and the real name was that crazy long Welsh word that translated to 'destroyer'. Not that i think it needs changing or anything, just an observation. Perhaps the Colthorians gave it the same nickname we did.

From Godwin's page:

2. Marty - I think with your lack of memory, the city views you as a threat. You will have to pass the ritual of Laddwch Mwytawr to gain its trust.

From Schock's page that follows Godwin's:

2. The Big D: Holt....You are the being called AnchorBird! You must pass our ritual of Laddwch Mmytawr to enter our lands.

The vehicles have always been called Big Ds. The trial is something else that the Big D is capable of administering.

Spidey

10-03-2009, 05:20 PM

I also just noticed that this is the second time in the story where Elsa spots something in the sky, and both times happen right before the Moon Tyrant shows up. If I was in Colthoria hanging around Elsa, I'd never want to look where she was pointing! I'd be like, "Hey, keep your arms down. Don't point, don't look up!"

Haha, yeah I noticed that too.

ScottEwen

10-04-2009, 10:18 AM

Check it out, guys, Mattel made an Anchorbird figure!

http://www.thefwoosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Avatar-022.jpg

Actually, it's from Avatar but damn if it isn't a close resemblance.

Greenskyzero

10-04-2009, 12:39 PM

that must be basic training sims! the rare anchor bird variant

larq2525

10-04-2009, 03:05 PM

Basic training? I don't see anything basic about that huge orange cannon he's carrying. I don't think they hand those out to just anybody.

Greenskyzero

10-04-2009, 04:14 PM

thats his lunch box

bravado-bomb

10-04-2009, 10:26 PM

Math: An equation

Latest strip jam panel = "...seriously?..."

Turtle Boat

10-04-2009, 10:34 PM

sorry i couldn't color it in yet, but just thought i'd show what i have currently so you guys think less of me as a procrastinator. lol

bt i also posted this because i'd like some tips on coloring this page. When i color in gruesmark's laser beam, how could i give it a strong, edgy impact with the colors?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/hancookx/img013.jpg

Spidey

10-04-2009, 10:42 PM

Omg, look at all those people! Gruestov is gonna have a field day here. Damn you hiatus! Heh. I like how you made the Staff pull power from the orb in the 5th panel.

Spidey

10-04-2009, 10:54 PM

Math: An equation

Latest strip jam panel = "...seriously?..."

Just roll with it, Steve. Debating the going-ons of NESJ is seriously a wasted effort. Just look at what it did to poor, Karl. Look at him!

Greenskyzero

10-04-2009, 11:29 PM

scott is next if he skips himself, My Indian blood tells me bet the house on Pencil jack getting killed.

Wild&Uncouth

10-04-2009, 11:57 PM

Turtleboat, I would say that, using Spidey's panel as an indicator, it looks like the suns are/will be rising. It's definitely not 100% night anymore.

So I would say you sould keep the colors cool, with some pink/coolCOOL-orange highlights (mixed in with the colors). Kind of like Spidey's page.

As far as whatever color the MT's laser beam is, whatever color you plan on making it, make the rest of the colors in that panel contrast it. I'm assuming the laser blast is going to be white hot light, with some sort of colored halo. SO make sure that the rest of the panel has no pure white in it, and if, say, the laser bolt is RED, then make sure that the rest of the panel has a green tint. If the laser bolt is ORANGE, then make the background a bluish tint. PURPLE? Yellow. Etc, etc.

ScottEwen

10-05-2009, 08:13 AM

scott is next if he skips himself, My Indian blood tells me bet the house on Pencil jack getting killed.

This week is hectic for me, and I don't have time to do a panel today. So, KRAZYRICKY1 is up next. I'd say your bet is pretty safe.

ScottEwen

10-05-2009, 11:14 AM

I have an announcement.

I was going to do a guest spot on Sidetracked to announce this, but because of unforeseen circumstances that came up this week, I won't have any time to record. My Anchorbird page might be a day or two late as well.

Anyhoo, my announcement is this. Friday was my two-year anniversary with my girlfriend Cristina. For my anniversary present, she gave me a really nice new set of headphones.

For her present, I gave her a diamond ring and asked her to marry me. She said yes!

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ScottEwen/cristinaandring.jpg

Greenskyzero

10-05-2009, 11:20 AM

thats awesome man, congrats. Mazal tov

Wild&Uncouth

10-05-2009, 11:53 AM

Congratulations, Scott!

larq2525

10-05-2009, 12:42 PM

I was going to do a guest spot on Sidetracked to announce this, but because of unforeseen circumstances that came up this week, I won't have any time to record.

So...we're not recording on Wednesday as planned?

ScottEwen

10-05-2009, 12:47 PM

So...we're not recording on Wednesday as planned?

I sent you an email earlier. Did you not receive it?

Cristina's brother crashed her car and it's out of commission. She works all this week and has classes, so I'm driving her around. Wednesday at noon I'll just be dropping her off at work so I won't be able to record at that time.

We can reschedule if you want, or you guys can record without me and maybe I can guest some time in the future. I had some other things to discuss with you guys other than my engagement, like Dexter and Curb Your Enthusiasm, so I'm still up for it if you want to do it later on.

caseycp

10-05-2009, 03:59 PM

Congrats, Scott!

Wild&Uncouth

10-06-2009, 10:07 AM

TURTLEBOAT, where is your page?
It's late as hell, and now you're holding up everyone after you. Rian's page was supposed to be up today.

KRAZYRICKY1

10-06-2009, 10:52 AM

congrats Scott!
welcome to the club

ScottEwen

10-06-2009, 11:05 AM

congrats Scott!
welcome to the club

Thanks Ricky. Your new Strip Jam contribution is two panels, though. Please try to keep it to just one panel.

ScottEwen

10-06-2009, 11:08 AM

TURTLEBOAT, where is your page?
It's late as hell, and now you're holding up everyone after you. Rian's page was supposed to be up today.

Ugh. What the ****. This is the second time in a row Turtle Boat's pages are missing in action. And that's after he sent me a PM telling me he'd have the lineart up on the website and finish the colors later. I don't have time to be dealing with this right now, TB, PLEASE finish your page and get it up so that Rian can post his page.

That's two orange Xs for TB since his page is two days past deadline, which combine to make another Red X. That means, one more missed deadline for TB and he's banned permanently from Anchorbird.

At this point we could farm out the artwork to other people but I don't think there's still anyone else around. I know I can't afford the time to do any of it.

Wild&Uncouth

10-06-2009, 11:12 AM

Dude! why is JazzHands "just plain wrong?" He's a member of Team 7, which is the only plot point the stripjam has currently.

If one were to erase what's ''wrong' with the stripjam, then the number of panels would be cut down to a 4th of what's been drawn. Maybe erase Scorpion's and Vegeta's appearances after they were already killed? How about rubbing out Kanye West? Thor4 maybe?

In all actuality, Team 7 was a shitty idea to begin with, so it deserves erasing. I'm just dismayed that JazzHands is the first to be attacked, considering he's sided himself with the other 'heroes.'

Wild&Uncouth

10-06-2009, 11:15 AM

Scott, I can take his inks that he posted yesterday and letter them real quick-like, maybe throw down some colors.

It's only 96 dpi (a weird resolution, imo). But it's to size (mostly).

You want me to do that?

KRAZYRICKY1

10-06-2009, 11:27 AM

Note: I didn't erase him completely only half of one leg, plus all the other dudes are already dead.

Wild&Uncouth

10-06-2009, 11:36 AM

ScottEwen

10-06-2009, 11:45 AM

Ok, I've lettered TB's page, and 'digitally inked' it by live tracing his lines in Illustrator (the art looks different, but will at least have a higher quality of line).

I'm going to throw some flats on it and post it.

Sounds good, Karl, thanks for taking the initiative. Let me know when you post it, I can log in and change it so it was posted by TB instead of by you.

Wild&Uncouth

10-06-2009, 11:48 AM

Will do, Scott.

larq2525

10-06-2009, 01:28 PM

Karl, if you're coloring the page now, what color are you planning on making the laser blast? Turtleboat never got back to me when I asked previously.

As per usual, my page will be up late tonight/early this morning. Leaving for work soon, so I'll be coloring when I get home.

Wild&Uncouth

10-06-2009, 01:44 PM

Let's go with white-hot purple. (purple with a white-hot center, in other words)

ScottEwen

10-06-2009, 02:00 PM

Rian, do you want to reschedule Sidetracked or just forget about it for now?

larq2525

10-06-2009, 03:01 PM

Rian, do you want to reschedule Sidetracked or just forget about it for now?

We're already a week behind with the new episode, so I think we're still going to record tomorrow around noon. If you want to be on the show next week we can work out a time to get you on. Let me know when you're available between the 12th and the 15th. Lately we've been recording most of our shows around noon-1pm on Thursdays because that's my one fairly regular day off and Jesse usually can't do evenings. So unless you've got other plans, Thursday the 15th around 1pm is the time we'd like to shoot for. If that doesn't suit, we'll find another time. Lemme know.

Also, due to the amount of work I've still got to do on my AB page, I probably won't be able to have it finished until tomorrow night. Depending on how far I get on the colors tonight I may be able to post flats or something before Wednesday morning, but I'm not sure. I'll keep y'all updated.

Off to work.

ScottEwen

10-06-2009, 04:32 PM

Sounds good, Karl, thanks for taking the initiative. Let me know when you post it, I can log in and change it so it was posted by TB instead of by you.

Actually, I'm reconsidering this. Considering you're doing a lot of work on this page, I'll just leave it posted by you and you can sign it #62 by Jaeil Cho and Karl Savage, if you like. Or sign it #62 by Jaeil Cho, but write in your post "I finished the letters and colors for this one." That way everyone gets credit where credit's due.

ScottEwen

10-06-2009, 04:35 PM

We're already a week behind with the new episode, so I think we're still going to record tomorrow around noon. If you want to be on the show next week we can work out a time to get you on. Let me know when you're available between the 12th and the 15th. Lately we've been recording most of our shows around noon-1pm on Thursdays because that's my one fairly regular day off and Jesse usually can't do evenings. So unless you've got other plans, Thursday the 15th around 1pm is the time we'd like to shoot for. If that doesn't suit, we'll find another time. Lemme know.

Also, due to the amount of work I've still got to do on my AB page, I probably won't be able to have it finished until tomorrow night. Depending on how far I get on the colors tonight I may be able to post flats or something before Wednesday morning, but I'm not sure. I'll keep y'all updated.

Off to work.

I have a class on Thursday at 3, so 1 doesn't really work for me because at that time I'm getting ready to go and finishing up last minute assignments. On Thursday I get home at about 5:30, if that works for you.