P.U.M.M.E.L. Tournament seeding - Vote for your top 10

[dfbovey]

This poll will be used to divide the participants into 3 weight classes. Lightweight, Middleweight and Heavyweight. Top 16 vote getters will form the Heavyweight division. Mid 16 will form the Middleweight division and the final 16 will form the Lightweight division. It will also be used to determine the seeding in the tournament. Highest amount of votes = highest seed in their respective weight class.

Here's a daily chart that shows how the voting is effecting the seedings (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=piUxSmtVCO9QD_Z3U0iDgHA)

Please vote for ten

And do not vote for yourself. If you do, the vote will not count.

Participants were asked to submit 1 piece of pre-existing art that represents what they do. Here they are:

Dfbovey
http://www.davidbovey.com/images/magnusrobotfighter.jpg
Nickguy
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/NickGuy_2006/10-16-200830910PM.jpg
Archerion
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Archerion/AsianChickbyWAski-1.jpg

[dfbovey]

Breck
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6660/kenbymrbreck.jpg
Bathill8
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp19/bathill8/spideymix.jpg
Keith
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/keithomalley/SF_china.jpg

[dfbovey]

Morgan
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9227/032509a.jpg
Blamito
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/blamito/deathstrokefinal-1.jpg
Plog
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q401/MATTPLOG/finished%20artwork/SILVERSURFERsm.jpg

[dfbovey]

Spidey
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Spyderizzle/catwoman.jpg
Dri
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r240/greendri/defyinggravity.jpg
Gob1in
http://i42.tinypic.com/25utumv.jpg

[dfbovey]

Hellseeker
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m134/Hellseekerone/HowardThingSML2.jpg
Dr.Baltar
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v401/clarkspark/ThanosvsDarkseid-eepFLATaltcopy.jpg
gadgetwk
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/GadgetWK/mannyhoward.jpg

[dfbovey]

StrayTanGenT
http://pencilpunk.googlepages.com/mageto.jpg
TheBreeze
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/seQuoia030/valkyriecopy.jpg
Popninja
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Popninja/PJ_Draw_Offs/drizzle.jpg

[dfbovey]

g12affix
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/g12affix/artwork/NinjaMonkeyFinalPencils.jpg
Hangman
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n94/GunkStudios/Hellboy.jpg
acosby
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3545/3331814205_2213269988_o.jpg

[dfbovey]

Anubis2kx
http://fc29.deviantart.com/fs44/i/2009/083/d/b/Iron_Man_by_anubis2kx.png
Underwearhero
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7499/tmntcoloredbysinakazemi.jpg
SilverSkies
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1847/afrosamuraibysilverskie.jpg

[dfbovey]

C William Russette
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/CWilliamRussette/WerewolfInked2.jpg
JC Immortal
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2/vampimaster1.jpg
HadesIllustrations
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u225/hadesillustrations/FaZhahboostercropped.jpg

[dfbovey]

caseycp
http://caseycp.com/stuff/turtle.jpg
Finfito
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/3086077950_70db70d6c4.jpg
Selkirk
http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt360/Selkirk/zatanna.jpg

[dfbovey]

Deth
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t36/Deth9/Collosus.jpg
Spidey976
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/spidey976/SupermanSept2008Final.jpg
Physicdesigns
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/yinstro/nero.jpg

[dfbovey]

Thrashart
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/jonnythrash/My%20artwork/DarkFighterPencilColor.jpg
Makoi
http://rommark.com/mark/hulk2.jpg
e_t_i
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8922/girrq5.jpg

[dfbovey]

Jared Lee
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/AlphaProto/Spider-manVSWolverine.jpg
Tetrophile
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3406/3443443293_f277b091ae_o.jpg
ScottEwen
http://www.scottewenart.com/spacekoalas_web.jpg

[dfbovey]

AdultBraces
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3571/3371366850_ff9b43a845.jpg
Fusciart
http://fusciart.com/dragon.jpg
ConortheCartoonist
http://conorthecartoonist.com/images/images/conceptart/viking.jpg

[dfbovey]

Steve F
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/3446763178_214d5c074f_o.jpg
Asaru
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g79/asaru01/olro02.jpg
Taro Mochi
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3164/monkeyfinal.jpg

[dfbovey]

50%grey
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk84/50grey/brcsredhood.jpg
Johnny Blaque
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/31/cluecopyex0.jpg
Captain All That
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/Captainallthat/CaptainCurly.jpg

[dfbovey]

That's all of them. Good luck everyone!

[Breck]

Too much good stuff. This is gonna take a while.

And Captain All That's isn't working.

[NickRocks]

johnny blaque is my sleeper pick.

[dfbovey]

Too much good stuff. This is gonna take a while.

And Captain All That's isn't working.

Yeah, neither is Hellseeker's image. Must have been too much traffic to photobucket or something.

[SilverSkies]

great and cool stuffs are here and Hellseeker pic isn't working. like Captain All That.......check it out!!!!!!!!!!

[dfbovey]

Just another reminder to vote for 10 pieces, not one. I'm looking at you Mr. Russette.

[C William Russette]

I apologize to the 9 that got screwed out my votes because I can't follow instructions.

[gadgetwk]

Just another reminder to vote for 10 pieces, not one. I'm looking at you Mr. Russette.

lolfrontstreet

[Spidey]

I would encourage for people to check the results first and vote accordingly. Try to spread the votes out a bit.

[Breck]

I don't think it's a good idea to start voting for people just for the sake of spreading votes around. The idea is to vote for who you like the best. There can always be another poll to narrow things down further.

[Spidey]

I'm not saying spread them for the hell of it. I sure didn't give any pity votes. I meant if you can spot trends on guys who are going to be getting massive votes anyways try helping break a tie or 2. I don't see anything wrong with that. You have 10 bloody votes. I voted for my top 5 and used the rest for the guys I wanted to advance a little higher. Either way you don't have to do that, it's just for the people that don't want an extremely lopsided poll as that won't help anyone.

[dfbovey]

We'll work stuff out as needed. Just a reminder that any street fight matches that take place before the tournament starts can be a factor in this. Your overall record is a tie breaker should it be needed.

[NickRocks]

wow judging by the poll so far, my original bracket is ruined *crumples up paper*

[dfbovey]

wow judging by the poll so far, my original bracket is ruined *crumples up paper*

What was your bracket?

[NickRocks]

my number 1 seed was Morgan Wellborn. I thought with the way he can draw ladies AND dudes hed pull a ton of votes. maybe it was the seeding pic that did him in.

[dfbovey]

my number 1 seed was Morgan Wellborn. I thought with the way he can draw ladies AND dudes hed pull a ton of votes. maybe it was the seeding pic that did him in.

I like his TMNT piece but I agree that it's not his best work.

I also thought Physicdesigns is capable of much more than what his seeding image shows. He turned in pieces for that 1st Grand Championship Series that destroy his entry here.

[NickRocks]

oh yeah...and johnny blaque surprised me. that shit is dope.

[Morganza]

I like his TMNT piece but I agree that it's not his best work.




That is my best work and here's why I chose it:

- My best colors to date.

- My most complicated use of figures.

- Five figures.

- My best action pic.

[dfbovey]

That is my best work and here's why I chose it:

- My best colors to date.

- My most complicated use of figures.

- Five figures.

- My best action pic.

Doesn't appeal to me as much as work in your portfolio similar to the Wolverine/Aliens jam piece. But that may just come down to personal preference. I feel that this was a deviation from what I usually expect from you. Not in a bad way, nice change of pace.

[adultbraces]

WHoa! That was hard work. I had to make a list.

[50%grey]

That is one awesome gallery of penciljack artists.

[ENTITY]

The starter thread said we had until April 25th to post our seeding images?


At any rate, I guess I will use this image if you can edit this thread.......

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m134/Hellseekerone/HowardThingSML2.jpg

[StrayTanGenT]

WHoa! That was hard work. I had to make a list.

Same here. I had to look back and forth between 2 tabs to make sure I was voting for the right one! >D

[Bathill8]

It is really difficult to pick a top 10, but not just simply because everyone did a fantastic job, but the type of art is all over the place. I mean you have guys who draw a wicked Giant Ogre with spikes all over him (for example) but cannot draw a car or a regular person and vice versa of course! Tough calls to make!

[NickRocks]

yeah i tried to base my votes on who i thought could handle a wide range of topics the best.

[Breck]

31 voters means we should have 310 votes but we only have 289 votes. People need to be voting for 10, no more no less.

[NickRocks]

i think someone only voted for one along the way.

[Deth]

I messed up I only voted for 1. any way to fix that?

[thEbrEEze]

I voted for my top five that i lik ethen voted some others with lower votes that I still liked. wow, zero votes for tHebrEEze, I'm not that bad right?

[Dri]

I voted for my top five that i lik ethen voted some others with lower votes that I still liked. wow, zero votes for tHebrEEze, I'm not that bad right?

And you voted for an entry you can't see. Way to go!

[ScottEwen]

The way I voted was by having a little tournament of my own, picking the best image from every 3 drawings. That made me end up with 16 votes, so I unchecked the 6 weakest ones.

[ScottEwen]

I messed up I only voted for 1. any way to fix that?

You can PM one of the mods your other 9 votes (but only one mod! or else your votes might count double), and we can edit the poll to add your votes.

[C William Russette]

Is that okay with Spidey and Mr. Hades?

[thEbrEEze]

And you voted for an entry you can't see. Way to go!

Yay! i was think outsid ethe box that time. Ha Ha, well here's to the one I didn't see and hope it's good.

[ENTITY]

This was a tough vote, difficult to weigh the many subjects and styles against one another.

Awesome stuff all around!

[Taro Mochi]

Whew! I narrowed it down to my top 14... after that it was super hard eliminating anyone... took me a while. O_O

[Breck]

Check this to see the current bracket standings:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=piUxSmtVCO9QD_Z3U0iDgHA

I'll update it regularly.

As far as tie breakers, once this poll is done we can do another poll with the people whose number of votes falls across a bracket line. For instance you see that currently people with 3 votes fall across bracket 2 and 3. There's two spots open in bracket 2, so we have a poll with those people and the top two get into bracket 2, everyone else into bracket 3. Make sense?

[Captain All That]

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/Captainallthat/CaptainCurly.jpg

[dfbovey]

Check this to see the current bracket standings:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=piUxSmtVCO9QD_Z3U0iDgHA

I'll update it regularly.

As far as tie breakers, once this poll is done we can do another poll with the people whose number of votes falls across a bracket line. For instance you see that currently people with 3 votes fall across bracket 2 and 3. There's two spots open in bracket 2, so we have a poll with those people and the top two get into bracket 2, everyone else into bracket 3. Make sense?


Yeah, this poll is set to run for 7 days, so we'll have some time between that point and the start of the tournament on the 1st of May to do this if we need to.

Also, thanks for the standings update!

[dfbovey]

As far as editing the vote count because of people not voting for 10 initially, I don't want to get into that business. What's done will have to be done in that regard. It's already a bear to manage this as it is.

[ArmstrongArts]

I would encourage for people to check the results first and vote accordingly. Try to spread the votes out a bit.

Ah... I am not sure you understand the reason people are voting in this. This is a contest (the beginings at least)
we are keeping score for a reason. *shug at todays youth*

[Spidey]

I was a little worried by all the zeroes at the beginning, but it doesn't matter now. It seems their will be ties to break regardless.

[Bruce Lee]

I can't believe I miss Baltar's piece, and I wish I could have voted for Gadget, Gobl1n, Scott and a couple others. This was very tough to decide, even with 10 votes. These draw-offs kill me. I always feel bad about not voting for everyone.

Dammit.

[spidey976]

Ah... I am not sure you understand the reason people are voting in this. This is a contest (the beginings at least)
we are keeping score for a reason. *shug at todays youth*

Nah ... he gets it ... just look at the bottome bracket ... 9 guys seperated by 1 vote. If people didn't look around a bit more then just the folks who are basically a lock for the first bracket you would have a serious dog pile at the bottom two brackets. Though hell I am just happy to have any points at this point ... lol.

This is one fine array of talent guys ... I still have to vote for my ten.

[ArmstrongArts]

Nah ... he gets it ... just look at the bottome bracket ... 9 guys seperated by 1 vote. If people didn't look around a bit more then just the folks who are basically a lock for the first bracket you would have a serious dog pile at the bottom two brackets. Though hell I am just happy to have any points at this point ... lol.

This is one fine array of talent guys ... I still have to vote for my ten.

I guess by the time I voted there were good numbers.

I figured with so many ppl voting the only ties that really matter were going to be the last guy in the division and the first in the next and at this point you have absolutely no way of knowing who those ppl are gonna be. Best to leave it to chance and let the moderator split the ties at that point. I am not that good I certainal wouldn't want a bunch of pitty votes sending me into the higher catagory and gettign blown out in the first round.

[Jared Lee]

I'm sure the large bold Please Vote for 10 will help people cast more votes. :lml-: :D :-lml:

Making a list is the way to go when voting on this one.

[Spidey]

They aren't pity votes. You guys have a chance to justify who you want to see in what division to some extent. This is essentially to see what division each artist falls in. The tourney will sort everything else out. There's still an entire week of voting. Take advantage.

[spidey976]

I guess by the time I voted there were good numbers.

I figured with so many ppl voting the only ties that really matter were going to be the last guy in the division and the first in the next and at this point you have absolutely no way of knowing who those ppl are gonna be. Best to leave it to chance and let the moderator split the ties at that point. I am not that good I certainal wouldn't want a bunch of pitty votes sending me into the higher catagory and gettign blown out in the first round.

Heck ... neither do I ... and I don't consider any of the votes pitty votes. Guys vote for who they want to ... quit a few guys in the lower bracket could easily be in the middle bracket ... and a few in the middle could easily be in the top. Besides if you got blown out of a bracket ... you would simply put your head down and work harder ... one of the best things about DOs is the push your talent. I can see a lot of improvement happening over time. As Spidey said the tournament will decide the real order ... and with a week left I can't wait to see how this works out.

[dfbovey]

In CBR's Comicbook Idol, a ton of voters would wait till the end to see who needed votes in order to advance... and would vote to make sure artists that they liked moved on. I'm sure some people will do that for this too. I wouldn't consider those pity votes. And it would be cool if that happened because there are some interesting clusters happening right now.

[dfbovey]

Check this to see the current bracket standings:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=piUxSmtVCO9QD_Z3U0iDgHA

I'll update it regularly.


It's fun to look at this and see who would face who should these numbers hold up. I'd be facing ScottEwen in round one. Some really good potential match ups in there. Even a one seed has to work pretty hard to advance.

[50%grey]

It's cool to see how much talent we currently have on Penciljack right now.

It feels like were getting back to the old days when Pjack first opened where they had tons of people drawing alot.

[ScottEwen]

I'd be facing ScottEwen in round one.

Yes, and you'll mop the floor with me. :D

[dfbovey]

Yes, and you'll mop the floor with me. :D

Way to smack talk Scott! :p

[e_t_i]

Check this to see the current bracket standings:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=piUxSmtVCO9QD_Z3U0iDgHA

Maybe this link should be put somewhere easy to find?

[dfbovey]

Maybe this link should be put somewhere easy to find?

I think that link is going to be constantly changing. But I can put the next one in the first post and change them out as they are updated.

[dfbovey]

Voting has already progressed and changed the seedings since I did this mock bracket for the Heavyweight division this morning. But this is an idea of what the first round brackets would have looked like if the voting had ended at around 11am this morning:

______________
#1 Keith
#16 Taro Mochi

#8 Gobl1n
#9 Tetarophile
______________
#5 Dr. Baltar
#12 Fusciart

#4 Bathill
#13 g12aphics
_________________________________

#6 Plog
#11 Physicdesigns

#3 Underwear Hero
#14 Morgan Welborn
______________

#7 HadesIllustrations
#10 AdultBraces

#2 Dfbovey
#15 ScottEwen
______________

[e_t_i]

I think that link is going to be constantly changing. But I can put the next one in the first post and change them out as they are updated.

*shrug* it still works for me. I think it's just the content of that page that changes.

[dfbovey]

*shrug* it still works for me. I think it's just the content of that page that changes.

Yeah, the link works. But I'm not sure if there will be a new link with updated info or if that link will be updated. Updated the first post in the thread, will swap it out of the link changes.

[NickRocks]

Voting has already progressed and changed the seedings since I did this mock bracket for the Heavyweight division this morning. But this is an idea of what the first round brackets would have looked like if the voting had ended at around 11am this morning:

______________
#1 Keith
#16 Taro Mochi

#8 Gobl1n
#9 Tetarophile
______________
#5 Dr. Baltar
#12 Fusciart

#4 Bathill
#13 g12aphics
_________________________________

#6 Plog
#11 Physicdesigns

#3 Underwear Hero
#14 Morgan Welborn
______________

#7 HadesIllustrations
#10 AdultBraces

#2 Dfbovey
#15 ScottEwen
______________

wow what a heavyweight division!

[thEbrEEze]

Go Lightweights!!!!!!!!!

[dfbovey]

I'd definitely recommend that if you look at how you are faring in the voting and see that you are grouped in with a bunch of other contestants... start a street fight. Overall record will be the first tie breaker if it comes down to it.

[Breck]

The link will stay the same. I update it every so often.

[Dri]

I think Ridge, Beastie, Canaan, Jeremy Bear, Manji and Dog Soldier
would of fit very well in the heavyweight ranks had they made themselves available.

How much more awesome would that be?

[dfbovey]

I think Ridge, Beastie, Canaan, Jeremy Bear, Manji and Dog Soldier
would of fit very well in the heavyweight ranks had they made themselves available.

How much more awesome would that be?

Yes they would! I think Canaan especially would have given Keith a run for his money for that #1 seed.

Hopefully some of these guys will join after the tournament is over. Beastie has already expressed interest. The more the merrier.

[dfbovey]

Updated Heavyweight bracket based on Breck's latest spreadsheet.
______________
#1 Keith
#16 g12affix

#8 Gobl1n
#9 Tetarophile
______________
#5 Dr. Baltar
#12 Fusciart

#4 Bathill
#13 Morgan Welborn
_________________________________

#6 Plog
#11 Physicdesigns

#3 Underwear Hero
#14 ScottEwen
______________

#7 HadesIllustrations
#10 AdultBraces

#2 Dfbovey
#15 Dri
______________

Some of these would be subject to tie breaker

Bathill and Dr. Baltar are neck and neck.

HadesIllustrations, Gobl1n, Tetarophile and Adult Braces are in a tight race.

And the race to be in the heavyweight division is also very interesting with 7 guys within 2 votes of each other for those last two spots.

[spidey976]

I think Ridge, Beastie, Canaan, Jeremy Bear, Manji and Dog Soldier
would of fit very well in the heavyweight ranks had they made themselves available.

How much more awesome would that be?

Shhhhhhhhh ... they may hear you ... lol. Dude that would have made for monthly art overload ... would have been epic.

[dfbovey]

Middleweight bracket based on Breck's latest spreadsheet.
______________
#1 Archerion
#16 Silverskies

#8 Johnny Blaque
#9 Jared Lee
______________
#5 Popninja
#12 Breck

#4 Spidey
#13 Hellseeker
_________________________________

#6 50% Grey
#11 gadgetwk

#3 Taro Mochi
#14 Deth
______________

#7 Nickguy
#10 Connerthecartoonist

#2 Asaru
#15 acosby
______________

Lots of these positions are subject to tie breakers at this point.

Pretty big log jam at the top of this. Top 10 in the division are all within 4 votes of each other with some pushing to possibly be heavyweights.

9 people within one vote of each other for the final two spots in this weight class. I also see guys in this division that could go toe to toe with the alot of the guys in the heavyweight division.

Will be interesting to see how this pans out!

[KrisDiaz]

damn where the hell was i , now im curious what class i would have been placed in

[ArmstrongArts]

Hmmmmm.... maybe if we could get 16 more ppl by the 25th we could do a 4th bracket *hint Hint* I know a few people were caught unawares by the date moving up :D

I would be one more ;)

[spidey976]

damn where the hell was i , now im curious what class i would have been placed in

I am sure you would have kicked some serious tale ... you can always get into the whole thing after the tournament is done. But again I know you would have been high up there especially after that MoonKnight piece you did.

But see ... we make a little noise and a whole bunch of talent starts sneaking about ... lol

[KrisDiaz]

I am sure you would have kicked some serious tale ... you can always get into the whole thing after the tournament is done. But again I know you would have been high up there especially after that MoonKnight piece you did.

id probly be low heavyweight or high middleweight....who knows....we'll see

[Archerion]

id probly be low heavyweight or high middleweight....who knows....we'll see
dont worry this is a never ending competition so be fun!

Its amazing to see the turn out and all the great artwork. Be very interesting to see how this poll ends ppl have been trading places all day

[LymanFunk]

Is this closed now? Or can people still join? I know I would be cannon fodder, but I would be in it for the fun anyway.

[dfbovey]

Is this closed now? Or can people still join? I know I would be cannon fodder, but I would be in it for the fun anyway.

The tournament part of it is closed, we could only take the first 48 people. Anyone will be able to join after the tournament is over though. And you can challenge people to street fights in the mean time.

[Jel]

Great idea, fantastic entries, it was really tough voting in this one...
Right now would have been a bad moment for me to enter, but in a month this could be really fun. How often would a competitor have to produce entries? Once a month? More? Less?

[Whitefox]

wow this is cool..to bad i cant draw

[dfbovey]

For tie breakers, we will go to overall record to setting who gets the higher seeding. So it will be to your benefit to challenge someone to a streetfight before the brackets are finalized. The tournament will start on the 1st, so I'd like the brackets solidified before then.

In the event that people are still tied or haven't participated in street fights, a new poll will be posted for 24 hours to determine the tie breaker.

[Ridge]

Oh, man! I go away for a few days and you guys throw a great big party. Love the idea, this one's going to be a lot of fun to watch with all the side battles. Hope to jump in at some point down the road too.

[dfbovey]

Still a very interesting battle for the last heavyweight spot. One will either be the #1 seed Middleweight or the #16 seed Heavyweight.

[dfbovey]

Oh, man! I go away for a few days and you guys throw a great big party. Love the idea, this one's going to be a lot of fun to watch with all the side battles. Hope to jump in at some point down the road too.

Definitely wish you had seen this sooner, but I'm definitely glad you're thinking about taking part once the tourney is over!

[NickRocks]

i must say im rather upset by the voters. according to the latest spreadsheet, 85 votes, but only 777 votes...when we should have 850 votes if everyone was picking 10 like they were supposed to. thats almost 80 votes that could have further helped the lightweight or middleweight divisions out.

[acosby]

Crap. If I'd known how close it was down at the bottom I'd of voted for myself. probably woulda been enough to bump to the second bracket.

[dfbovey]

Crap. If I'd known how close it was down at the bottom I'd of voted for myself. probably woulda been enough to bump to the second bracket.

Only the vote wouldn't count as per the rules.

:p

[Archerion]

Still a very interesting battle for the last heavyweight spot. One will either be the #1 seed Middleweight or the #16 seed Heavyweight.

Yes defiantly a tight race at the top of the middleweights im surprised i am so high on the list.

[g0b1in]

A tough pool to vote from. Couldn't vote for everyone I wanted to vote for but I think the results will even things out regardless.

Eager to get started.

[ThrashArt]

So I just read through this whole thread because I was a little unsure about why certain people (not just myself included) received the amount of votes they did. I am a little enlightened but still not fully certain as to why...but what ever.

I think that some votes were based on standing in the PJ universe
(reputation) and as some people said how they considered the person would hold up in the tournament. But based on what I see... Quite a few pieces of art got gypped. When you take into account: composition, figure work, anatomy, lighting, rendering, mood, and the over story that's being told in the picture... It is very hard to believe that some people came away with the amount of votes they did. While others, my self certainly included, did not.

Now I'm not complaining. That's just my observation. The fact that I am seeded so low will only make it that much easier for myself to rise. If anything I think this ranking will prove to make the competition easier for a couple of individuals.

A few people in the light and middle weight will rise while a couple in the heavy,middle and light will fall. And that's when the real competition will start. At that point people will be matched up with those of similar capabilities. Maybe I am right... Maybe I am wrong...

[Breck]

So I just read through this whole thread because I was a little unsure about why certain people (not just myself included) received the amount of votes they did. I am a little enlightened but still not fully certain as to why...but what ever.

I think that some votes were based on standing in the PJ universe
(reputation) and as some people said how they considered the person would hold up in the tournament. But based on what I see... Quite a few pieces of art got gypped. When you take into account: composition, figure work, anatomy, lighting, rendering, mood, and the over story that's being told in the picture... It is very hard to believe that some people came away with the amount of votes they did. While others, my self certainly included, did not.

Now I'm not complaining. That's just my observation. The fact that I am seeded so low will only make it that much easier for myself to rise. If anything I think this ranking will prove to make the competition easier for a couple of individuals.

A few people in the light and middle weight will rise while a couple in the heavy,middle and light will fall. And that's when the real competition will start. At that point people will be matched up with those of similar capabilities. Maybe I am right... Maybe I am wrong...

Man, I could've given what you said a little more credence, if you hadn't voted for just yourself.

[NickRocks]

I think that some votes were based on standing in the PJ universe
(reputation) and as some people said how they considered the person would hold up in the tournament. But based on what I see... Quite a few pieces of art got gypped. When you take into account: composition, figure work, anatomy, lighting, rendering, mood, and the over story that's being told in the picture... It is very hard to believe that some people came away with the amount of votes they did. While others, my self certainly included, did not.

but that exactly the point of the votes...much like college football, this poll is to place seeds, where you think people will end up, how you think everyone will do. The fact is, all these pieces have been posted before. the stipulation for posting a pic in the seeding thread was that it was your best work youve ever posted here on pj...that way your pic has already recieved love and props. we werent voting based on the content of the picture...at least, that was my understanding.


Now I'm not complaining. That's just my observation. The fact that I am seeded so low will only make it that much easier for myself to rise. If anything I think this ranking will prove to make the competition easier for a couple of individuals.

thats the spirit! be the upset!


A few people in the light and middle weight will rise while a couple in the heavy,middle and light will fall. And that's when the real competition will start. At that point people will be matched up with those of similar capabilities. Maybe I am right... Maybe I am wrong...

thats what im hoping too...i also think there will be quite alot of surprises too, along the way.

[dfbovey]

Thrashart,

Voting for yourself in a draw off is always bad form anyway, but in this case there's actually a rule against it. It's a wasted vote. Not only that, but you were also supposed to vote for 10 pieces.

But yeah, the best attitude to take if you feel you've been slighted is to prove people wrong. If you have a chip on your shoulder, call out one of the people ahead of you in the voting... challenge them to a street fight. One thing is for sure, the tournament will separate the pretenders from the contenders pretty quick, and you'll have the opportunity to show people they were wrong right off the bat because you'll be facing the higher seeds in your division.

What you said in general is probably true to a certain degree. There are some people in the middle and lightweight divisions that didn't get a lot of attention because most people focused on the people at the top. The system isn't perfect considering the sheer mass of competitors... but it's as close as I could make it using the tools of the forum. I think the top half of the voting went about how I thought it would with a few people that didn't get the amount of votes I expected.

[ThrashArt]

True, that was my fault for not paying attention. I thought we were allowed only one vote. And that the whole tally would decide a top ten. Which I why I voted for myself.
I find a lot of of this art work much better then my piece and had I payed attention I would have used all of my votes. I will Pm you my top picks.
And to answer your question I thought I would be a middleweight.

[ThrashArt]

Oh and why aren't you aloud to vote for yourself? Because it is automatically assumed that you Will? Now knowing that the voting was for each voter to pick their top ten and not decide the top 10 of all the pics with only one count per voter... I would not put my self in my pic.
But I guess if everyone voted for themselves we might end up everyone with one vote. That's assuming that only the people competing are voting. I assume that more PJ'rs are voting than just those who entered. Same as those who pass by and critique in all the other forums...
I kinda answered the question for myself. lol.
But again why exactly?

[Teratophile]

cause it's gay.

[dfbovey]

Everyone voting for themselves basically cancels itself out, so it's kinda pointless to do it. That's why the Grand Championship League and PUMMEL have a no voting for yourself rule.

[Breck]

Well, I want to say thanks to the guys who voted for me. No one is thrilled to have only a few votes but I have a lot of respect for the guys who did vote for me so it's all good.

[spidey976]

Hey there Thrash ... man I have often disagreed with the votes in a DO ... but guys have voted the way they feel ... and that is just the way it is. You win some you thought you wouldn't ... and you lose some you thought you would win. I have seen blow outs that I thought would be close ... and drawings/sketches that looked mostly unfinished beat fully rendered pieces. We all like what we like ...... just push through like you said ... and you will do well.

[ThrashArt]

Yeah that's. All in all i think this competition is going to push everyone involved to new levels with their artwork. I can't wait for it all to start. Now back to my street fight piece.

[Spidey]

The top middle is a tight race, but after weighing the options: seed low on the Heavyweight class = facing Kieth or Dave the first round. :eek: or seed high on the middleweight class and I face a low midweight seeder, I'd rather stay in the middleweights for a bit. I'm all up for some heavy competition, but I think I would rather do the ass kicking right off the bat. :lml-: >D

P.S. I'm also, very excited to see how the new guys fare during the comings months, Conor, Finito and Asaru in particular. I'm digging their stuff.
Also, Thrashhart I think your underestimating the light weight class. And the clique voting you accused us of doesn't really happen here. The better work pretty much always gets the win. For example: http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92861

[Deth]

I Know this is going to sound hypocritical or something like that. But, from what I've seen of the guys here with high reputation have really deserved the respect shown. The sheer volume of work they post alone helps them get the exposure. If I posted as much as them Im sure I'd be considered more too.

When you can match a name with a body of work it's going to subconciously cause you to consider it more.

So I guess what Im saying is if you really want the recognition then get to drawing and ingrain your name and your work in others heads so that when they see your work again they'll spend 5 minutes analyzing it instead of 1 minute.

[Archerion]

Heh im slowly fell from 1st spot in middle weight at this rate ill be in the lightweights.

[Deth]

I'll be lucky if I stay in the middleweights heh

[spidey976]

Heh im slowly fell from 1st spot in middle weight at this rate ill be in the lightweights.


I'll be lucky if I stay in the middleweights heh

And what is wrong with us lightweights you whinning ... self absorbed ... lol ... okay I am totally joking.

Actually just to stir the crap a bit ... Deth ... my final vote was bettween you and Arch ... Arch barely nudged you ... now go and duke it out already ... lol

[Popninja]

So I just read through this whole thread because I was a little unsure about why certain people (not just myself included) received the amount of votes they did. I am a little enlightened but still not fully certain as to why...but what ever.

I think that some votes were based on standing in the PJ universe
(reputation) and as some people said how they considered the person would hold up in the tournament. But based on what I see... Quite a few pieces of art got gypped. When you take into account: composition, figure work, anatomy, lighting, rendering, mood, and the over story that's being told in the picture... It is very hard to believe that some people came away with the amount of votes they did. While others, my self certainly included, did not.

Now I'm not complaining. That's just my observation. The fact that I am seeded so low will only make it that much easier for myself to rise. If anything I think this ranking will prove to make the competition easier for a couple of individuals.

A few people in the light and middle weight will rise while a couple in the heavy,middle and light will fall. And that's when the real competition will start. At that point people will be matched up with those of similar capabilities. Maybe I am right... Maybe I am wrong...

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong, considering that a few of the people in the upper Heavyweight class haven't even been around PJ for very long. If it was based on reputation, surely I would be right around the top. Right?

Guys like g0b1in and adultbraces have barely posted art here, but look where they stand on the poll.

Art is subjective, but anyone will tell you that if it catches your eye and it's really really good, it's going to get more attention than the art that doesn't and isn't. In this case, I think people are voting based on what they see.

And yeah, it's wrong to vote for yourself because it just is. Also, I find it telling that the only other vote you got was from someone who joined on April 16, who has 0 posts, but decided to vote for you in a seeding poll for a tournament. Just sayin', is all...

[NickRocks]

Well, I want to say thanks to the guys who voted for me. No one is thrilled to have only a few votes but I have a lot of respect for the guys who did vote for me so it's all good.

this. Im surprised i even got one vote with the massive talent-mongers we have here.

[acosby]

Hmmm... Suspicious.

Edit; Not you Nick you just beat me to the post by a second. I'm responding to Popninja's post

[dfbovey]

Also, I find it telling that the only other vote you got was from someone who joined on April 16, who has 0 posts, but decided to vote for you in a seeding poll for a tournament. Just sayin', is all...

It's definitely suspicious, especially since humblerthanyou voted only for Thrashart and nobody else. I checked into the IP addresses though and they aren't the same.

It's stuff like this though that makes the moderator team consider some kind of post count requirement for voting in polls.

[ScottEwen]

Actually, humblerthanyou voted for ten. He voted for me, Thrashart, and eight other people.

[dfbovey]

My fault, my eyes must not have been working this morning.

[dfbovey]

Just a reminder, this poll will close tomorrow.

[dfbovey]

As things stand right now, we'll have to break 12-13 ties. Lots of people lumped together.

[SilverSkies]

!!!ha!!!!!!! I don't care about which classes I are but I work hard for step up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dfbovey]

!!!ha!!!!!!! I don't care about which classes I are but I work hard for step up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep... not about where you start, it's where you finish.

[SilverSkies]

exactly right-- dfbovey!!!!

[Archerion]

And what is wrong with us lightweights you whinning ... self absorbed ... lol ... okay I am totally joking.

Actually just to stir the crap a bit ... Deth ... my final vote was bettween you and Arch ... Arch barely nudged you ... now go and duke it out already ... lol

Heh that's sounds more like a challenge from you Spidey976 ^_^

Oh dont matter to me i would rather start at the bottom and work my way up. Then i could say im the best >D

[50%grey]

You're the best around
nothing is gonna ever keep you down!

[PLOG]

it's a long drive from MD, 50%, but i'm coming down there to slap u for that one.

having this and the Champ tourney going down at the same time should be interesting.

mattPLOG

[Breck]

Damn, Karate Kid music lyrics. This shit just got serious.

[spidey976]

Heh that's sounds more like a challenge from you Spidey976 ^_^


Oh ... I would love to take you on some day in the near future m8 ... but since I am right in the middle of a street fight with Popninja right now ... you will have to wait your turn ... lol. Maybe after the tournament goes ... :D.

[dfbovey]

Poll closes today at 4pm!

[dfbovey]

5 hours remaining!

[spidey976]

looks liek there are going to be a few tie breakers going on here ... :D.

Hey Dave ... are we still starting the tournament on May 1st ... or are we starting it a little earlier ... since this poll went up before the 25th???

[dfbovey]

looks liek there are going to be a few tie breakers going on here ... :D.

Hey Dave ... are we still starting the tournament on May 1st ... or are we starting it a little earlier ... since this poll went up before the 25th???

It's still going to be May 1st, because it'll take a little time to break these ties.

Some of these guys are already involved in Street Fights, so that will help resolve some of the ties. That will be the first tie breaker. Some of the due dates for those are the 29th. So we'll see what happens with those.

I'll also post separate polls... new threads with each tied group to have that as the 2nd tie breaker.

I figure between those two things, we should have the seedings worked out completely and as fair as possible.

[dfbovey]

Less than an hour to get those final votes in!

Hey Breck, once the voting is closed would you mind updating your spread sheet? :)

[ENTITY]

It's still going to be May 1st, because it'll take a little time to break these ties.

Some of these guys are already involved in Street Fights, so that will help resolve some of the ties. That will be the first tie breaker. Some of the due dates for those are the 29th. So we'll see what happens with those.

I'll also post separate polls... new threads with each tied group to have that as the 2nd tie breaker.

I figure between those two things, we should have the seedings worked out completely and as fair as possible.

Are we going to use new art for the next stage, or the same art as here or does it matter?

[dfbovey]

Are we going to use new art for the next stage, or the same art as here or does it matter?

I was going to use whatever art was in this thread for the tie breaker threads to keep it consistent.

[Breck]

Less than an hour to get those final votes in!

Hey Breck, once the voting is closed would you mind updating your spread sheet? :)
You betcha.

[50%grey]

That is spooky how all the percentages turned out to be perfect numbers that match your votes.

[dfbovey]

That is spooky how all the percentages turned out to be perfect numbers that match your votes.

Yeah, I guess because there were 100 voters.

[dfbovey]

Poll is officially closed!

I'll wait for Breck's spreadsheet update to post up the tie breaker polls. Having it in that format will just make it easier.

Congrats to Keith for the #1 seed!

[Spidey]

Good luck everyone! May the best men win!

[Breck]

The spreadsheet is updated.

[dfbovey]

Thanks a lot man, very helpful!

[NickRocks]

me and spidey tied for 3rd seed of middleweight division. *rolls up sleeves*


lets do this.

[ScottEwen]

Morgan and I are tied. That means that the street fights will determine our ranking, correct?

[dfbovey]

There will be 11 total tie breaker polls. There are 33 participants that ended up in a tie. The most interesting determining who's made it into the middleweight division or who will be at the top of the lightweight division.

[dfbovey]

Morgan and I are tied. That means that the street fights will determine our ranking, correct?

Yes, that's the first tie breaker. There will also be a poll that will serve as a 2nd tie breaker should the win loss records be the same.

Those polls will be up later.

[NickRocks]

eh i just realized i should have made the deadline on my poll shorter =\

[Physicdesigns]

hmmm, looking at the tournament brackets, i may be mistaken, but is the no1 and no 2 theoretically supposed to meet in the 2nd round? In this case i think that anyone could really win any of these matches, but in theory as it is, if everything went as predicted, the final showdown would be between the first and the eight seed.

But in this case i dunno, though the votes are divided stongly, i dont think any copetitor is incapable of beating any other one on one, so maybe it doesnt matter