Don't BOO HOO brand new doodle's from the rude crude doodlin dude just for you!

[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

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[Hunter Art]

Hey yo. Good stuff. Just remember less is better. I notice you take alot of time to draw lines all in your figures. Keep it simple so it wont look as busy.

[doodledude]

Thank's hunter. I am trying to cut back on all the sqiuggly linework.I only try to use it for armor or weapon's.

[Doppelganger]

Yeah I know you got a few comments about the squiggles and I guess on the Hulk / Venom guy it just went too far... but don't reign yourself in too much - it's your style... I think folk were just trying to get you to lay that style over improvements in the anatomy..
It'd be sad if it all straightened up too much though..

And i'd really like to see some of this stuff coloured...:D

[doodledude]

Thank's man this is the only colored piece I have.It was done by another guy named Frissbeegood on another forum enjoy.My coloring skill's are deplorable which is why I just pencil and ink.http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/bob281/ShadowHawkcopy.jpg

[doodledude]

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[notebookpress]

id say tighten up ur work a weeee bit and youll have something really nice going on, im feeling the ol skool 90's stuff too

[spidey976]

Hey Doodle

You came by my blog so I thought I would return the favour. Firstly, when you came by my blog you suggested that I practice more ... which is a good suggestion. We all need to practice ... however I was given some advice when I first joined PJ. Practice isn't always about finished pieces ... some times it is about stick figures ... gesture drawings ... hands ... legs ... arms ... torsos ... eyes ... the body as parts and as a whole. When I look at your work I see stuff that needs to be worked on ... but not necessarily in terms of doing finished work ... just the pieces for a bit. I would love to see you work on form (shapes) ... and your skeletal structure.

Now before I jet ... I have a couple of questions

1. What type of references do you use ... aka your anatomy?
2. Who are some of your idols in art?
3. How old are you?
4. How long have you been drawing?
5. What areas of your art do you think you need to work on the most?

Okay ... time for me to hit the hay ... keep on working on it.

Shawn

[doodledude]

I dont use refrence's I draw everything from my imagination.My number 1 artistic hero would probaly be Jim Lee followed by Bart Sears and Stephen Platt. And though I hate to say it because it's so contraversial Rob Liefeld. Im in my early 30's.Ive been drawing since I was seven year's old.According to the internet my number 1 problem is anatomy.But I really dont want to have perfect anatomy.To me the artist who do perfect anatomy really don't move me.It's like their work lack's the POW!factor.I want to do the kind of art that could get kid's back into comic's again.And just like Notebook said I'm really feeling that old skool 90's.

[spidey976]

I dont use refrence's I draw everything from my imagination.My number 1 artistic hero would probaly be Jim Lee followed by Bart Sears and Stephen Platt. And though I hate to say it because it's so contraversial Rob Liefeld. Im in my early 30's.Ive been drawing since I was seven year's old.According to the internet my number 1 problem is anatomy.But I really dont want to have perfect anatomy.To me the artist who do perfect anatomy really don't move me.It's like their work lack's the POW!factor.I want to do the kind of art that could get kid's back into comic's again.And just like Notebook said I'm really feeling that old skool 90's.

Okay Doodle

Now I respect your oppinion on this one ... but ... when you say that you don't want to have "perfect" anatomy ... well ... there are a lot of artists out there who don't have perfect anatomy. However, they have believable anatomy. When you look at their work you could be conviced that "yeah ... okay that is what an arm should look like in that position" or "yeah ... if a guy was bench pressing a mountain his shoulders would do that". I wouldn't bring it up ... you mentioned him though ... but Jim Lee is partially known for his pretty accurate anatomy. His characters look very realistic in terms of proportion and possing ... and he has the "POW" factor too. I would recommend that you look up the video with him and Stan Lee that is on Youtube .... it would be a good guide ... and he himeself admits that it wasn't until he started to really look at anatomy ... Brigman's Complete Guide to drawing from life ... that his own work started to pop. Using anatomy books and references isn't a crutch ... not really. Espeically when you are learning how the muscles function ... and how lighting and shadow play on a form. Right now you have a very basic understanding of how the body works ... and looks. Now please don't take that as me putting you down ... I was the exact same way (still am a bit) ... until I really started to listen to the guys here ... went out and got some reference materials .. and started to study. Yes ... I do mean study ... like in school. I feel like my work has improved since I started that ... and I have been told it has by the guys here. When you make stuff up ... really make it up ... it just looks off. Now I am not saying you have to change your entire style ... but a lot of pros say that style is actually something that should come after you have the knowledge of how things work.

Now .. is your stuff bad .. no ... not at all. Could it be better ... well if you didn't think it could be then you wouldn't still be on PJ ... because as you can see even the best guys on the site still get advice on how to improve. This message isn't about me telling you "you are no good" ... it is actually just me offering you the same advice I got in August when I joined ... because I found that advice really helpful.

Okay ... back to work ... break over

Later Doodle

Shawn

[doodledude]

I dont see Jim Lee's anatomy as being perfect.To me guy's who have pretty accurate anatomy are Rags Morales Dale Eaglesham and Brian Bolland. I own that Jim Lee video I don't need to go on you tube to see it.On that said video Jim Lee said that form was more important than anatomy because every artist has his own way of drawing muscle's.The outline of the character is what truly make's the superhero seem powerful.This has alway's been my focus and trying to draw dynamic position's.

[doodledude]

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[Bryan E.Warner]

Howdy there Lawrence:D
Shawn has hit on some pretty good points..You got Talent..and you go the extra mile filling the page,though you need to work on composition.As I mentioned to you before,remember your leading the viewers eye.
as for References..I highly recommend them..Most all Top artist use them.Anatomy is very important,so don't be a slacker,learn proper anatomy and then you will know where you can push the envelope.
Here is some very good Comic advice though it is used more in Sequential art.The Four Rules to always keep in mind..1-Keep it simple..2-Keep it interesting..3-Don't get too artsy that we fall out of the drawing ( your right in there now ) and 4-Leave the viewer wanting to see more.
Thats good solid advice.if you stick to those you will seldom go wrong.
Well thats my 2-cents for now.
Blessings!
Bryan

[doodledude]

Thank's Bryan I dont mean you shouldn't learn anatomy every artist has to learn anatomy.But I think alot of artist focus on anatomy so much they forget the character's have to look dynamic and powerful.Form is just as important as substance.You can draw every single muscle in the right place and your character can still look like a weakling.

[Bryan E.Warner]

It's all in the body language. Camera angle and proper forshortining.Any character can be Dynamic..to draw the weakling,again its the same.You seem to be focusing on the Super Hero form.( nothing wrong with that ) Keep working on it.And again I recommend references..
Out of curiosity,are you familiar with Alex Ross's work?

[doodledude]

Oh yeah and he has great form.That's why he said he wanted to paint over Jim Lee's pencil's.I think he has painted over Jim Lee's pencil's Like three or four time's.FORM MATTER'S.

[spidey976]

Form is established by having believable anatomy ... not perfect ... just believable ... Ross and Lee have the believable down. Right now doodle ... your FORM is not solid. To quote both Lee and Portacio (SP) "If you make it solid ... it is believable".

[doodledude]

I dont want to be an artist like you Spidey your're so concerned about anatomy and what your fellow artist think about it you cant even produce art.I dont see any competely finished drawing's in your thread.You can learn anatomy along the way.There are so many other thing's your not learning by not being productive.The mind draw's not the hand.And the more you draw the more your artistic eye improve's. I'm gonna keep drawing like I've alway's done and I'm pretty sure I will improve I have so far.Good luck with your method.

[doodledude]

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[spidey976]

Okay ... doodle ... I get the message. You are not here to get input on your work from your fellow artists... you are here so that we will eww and awww over what you do. I am sorry if I don't do that. I pass on the advice I was given. I am also sorry if I don't "produce art" at a pace that pleases you ... actually that was sarcasm ... to be honest ... for me ... it isn't about "production" ... it is about creating and learning ... and I don't have to meet anyone elses deadlines but my own ... and for sure NOT yours. If you think I post EVERYTHING I do ... then you are wrong. I only have so much time to scan and do work ... so I pick and choose. Honestly, doodle I am wasting my time by posting anything in your threads ... so I will just bow out now and say. Good luck on your approach ... try to listen to advice that is provided to you ... and I hope you grow.

Good luck

P.S. If you see that little red box under your number of posts ... well that is your reputation. I guess people aren't buying what you are selling right now.

[doodledude]

Spidey I dont care what they think.I'm about improving my artwork.You are like alot of people on the internet they can give crit's but can't take them.And when you give them good advice they get angry.I was drawing way before I knew what the hell an internet was.And I will be drawing for the rest of my life because I love it.The internet does not define me or my approach .I define my art and the approach I take to get better.Have a nice day.

[Ugga Bugga]

Really, if you don't care what people think, what are you posting your work for?

Especially, a forum designed to give and receive criticism for the purpose of trying improve one's artwork.

It's not about the internet defining you or your approach. It is about using the internet as a resource, to get feedback you wouldn't otherwise be able to get, with a view to applying the feedback to get better.

You are surely free to develop as you want to. If you take heed of what people around here say, and apply it, I have no doubt that your work will be better than if you develop within your own vacuum.

Good luck either way.

[doodledude]

Sometime's the negativity on the net make's me not want to draw at all.I'm definitely thinking of going back into my vacuum.I was a much happier artist before I started posting.Maybe that's the best way for me.

[Ugga Bugga]

There is no doubt negativity on the net. For the most part on this site, there is constructive criticism.

People here are pretty straightforward with crits.

What I ask, is that you consider what people are saying. You need not apply it, but at least ask yourself if there is anything that you can take from what people say, and see if it can be applied to improve.

If you want to do your own thing, without sharing, there's nothing wrong with that. I just think that you are denying yourself the ability to get help for free.

[jeremy dale]

Or maybe grow up a bit and man up to being able to taking a crit. No artist improves in a personal vacuum. Ever.

You need to work on some things, big deal. Be willing to listen-- you'll improve faster than fast if you do.

- j

[notebookpress]

man i wish this thread was more art and less arguing that being said doodle im digging your stuff and would hate to see you leave be that as it may u could do with a little improvement, all of us here can, and thats the point, and from my vantage nobody is really dogging you out and theyre actually offering pretty decent advice. u may not agree with everything being said and thats fine, take what makes sense to you, ignore what dosent and move on, no need to get defensive cuz nobody here is trying to put you down we just wanna see you reach your full potential as an artist. just keep that pencil moving everything else will take care of itself

[Ugga Bugga]

exactly............

[Hunter Art]

I agree doodle. Sometimes the critiques on this board are nitpicky. I've read some critiques that made me shake my head because it seemed like the "critc" was trying to find something wrong with the person's art.

With that said, dont let that run you off. Ill post up some art real soon. You can dissect it if you like.. haha

[Ugga Bugga]

The thing with criticism, is that some of it will be valid, some of it will not be. You take what you like, and you discard the rest.

The thing that needs to be remembered, is that people are volunteering their time, to provide feedback. For the most part, doing so, with intention to help. They could do other things with their time.

[Hunter Art]

The thing with criticism, is that some of it will be valid, some of it will not be. You take what you like, and you discard the rest.

The thing that needs to be remembered, is that people are volunteering their time, to provide feedback. For the most part, doing so, with intention to help. They could do other things with their time.


agreed BUT I think sometimes people on this site act is if theres a such thing as perfect art. I think after a while it could get to some people and make them leave. Ive seen art that looked great from a general perspective only to read some people nitpick a shoulder muscle or the angle of someones head or something... I agree with you that it can help though...

[Bryan E.Warner]

ART....art is a very personal thing most part..and should be approached that way.( an un constructive crit is useless.. )
Lawrence you best keep that pencil bus..it's in your blood.

[doodledude]

Thank you Bryan I shall.http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/bob281/larry020.jpg

[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

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[KrisDiaz]

you definatly got your own style and it works for you.......i think if you were to neaten it up or tighten it up a bit you would be excellent! keep it up.........i like seeing your unique art

[doodledude]

Thank's man one thing I'm gonna do is slow down and take more time on my stuff.Some body gave the advice to spend more time on a drawing.Because I usually draw pretty fast I'm gonna see how it works out.

[Bryan E.Warner]

Thank's man one thing I'm gonna do is slow down and take more time on my stuff.Some body gave the advice to spend more time on a drawing.Because I usually draw pretty fast I'm gonna see how it works out.

That is good to hear..try to work a little cleaner..it will start to make you look more professional.;)

[doodledude]

Yeah I'm doing that alot of the stuff I've done has been on printer paper at work"It's cheap".But I have recently bought some Bristol board and better art supplies.So now thing's should be alot neater.But thank's for the advice.

[Mr.Hades]

I think it would be a good for you to step out of your comfort zone and draw a wider range of things, not just muscled men. It will pay off in the long run. Try working on a one page script of a non-action orientated scene... see how you do.

[doodledude]

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[Morganza]

Nice loose sketches, I erase a lot too, no way around it.

[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

Nice loose sketches, I erase a lot too, no way around it.Thanks man that's all I've been doing mostly is sketching and trying to get better.

[doodledude]

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[krikkit13]

Why did you start a new sketch blog when you already have one?

[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

Why did you start a new sketch blog when you already have one?
Because that stuff is old and this is newer stuff that I want to be separate from the old stuff.

[doodledude]

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[doodledude]

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[krikkit13]

Because that stuff is old and this is newer stuff that I want to be separate from the old stuff.

Let me just quote this for you then, so that you know why I merged the threads.


The following are the rules for posting in the SKETCH BLOGS forum. Topics that violate these rules may be moved, edited or deleted at the discretion of the moderators:


There can be only one - one Sketch Blog topic per member

[doodledude]

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[NickRocks]

is that as finished as you make your drawings? because everything you do looks like a rough sketch.

[doodledude]

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[NickRocks]

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this one is actually pretty good! spideys face seems kind of off but fix that and finish this up and this could be a nice pic.

[doodledude]

is that as finished as you make your drawings? because everything you do looks like a rough sketch.
Yeah pretty much lately everything is just rough sketching.I feel the more figure work I do the better I get so most of it is just sketching.That's why I'm not posting anything in the finished work thread.

[doodledude]

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[Bryan E.Warner]

I have to say Lawrence :)
I'm so glad your keeping that pen/pencil busy ;)
it does this old artist heart good!
Happy Easter!

[doodledude]

Happy Easter to you Mr Warner to.

[doodledude]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/bob281/logan067.jpgSabretooth

[pigeonmilk]

Alright Doodle,here it is.

I've looked over your entire sketchblog and and here is what I think.

Overall you have improved alot. You have your style down which is great and have improved with new poses, detail and pics of women.

Now this is what I want to see in a new pic.

1. No underline sketch lines- erase your penciled scribblings after you ink or after you lay down your finished pencils.

2. Use a different line weight when inking your pic. A slightly heavier outline for the body with a smaller line weight for you details will help seperate your images from bleeding into one another since you tend to fill the page with your work.

3. Consistent inking, if you can lay a clean line and not scribble with it like a pencil then you will have a MUCH more viewable piece, clean piece.

4. The last piece of advise I would like to give would be to keep working on your faces. There is improvement there and I can tell. Don't give up on the faces. Check references or grab Hogarth's book on faces. Just to learn the underline principles of how the faces are constructed. You can still apply your own style without feeling like your copying someone else's work.

Your legs and muscles are really defining in your style.

Keep at it.

I would really like to see you draw something using my advise. I bet it would rock and might even open up a whole new avenue to your art.

[spidey976]

Well I promised to stay out of here a LONG time back ... but what the hell. Because here it is ... this is ALOT of improvement here my man ... and I mean ALOT. Your gestures are FAR stronger then they were before ... and you have a tonne of energy in a lot of these posses. You have managed to do what you said ... and you managed to get some pretty solid form here. I also notice that your anatomy has come a long way as well. But for sure your strength is in the gestures you are laying down ... lots of energy ... which really works for you ... I am gearing up to make a move on that one myself.

As for any suggestions ... I would check your proportions a bit ... mainly I notice that some of your guys have big biceps and smaller forearms ... or stumped arms. No big deal ... it is just throwing off the form a bit.

Gotta say ... loving the energy ... and wish you had finished some of those MoonKights pics ... they have a bunch of energy.

[doodledude]

Thank you gentlemen I've been workin hard.I definitely will try and work your suggestions in because the last round of crits did help me even though I BEHAVED LIKE AN ASSHOLE WHEN I GOT THEM.I apologize for that, an older artist gave me some good advice he said seperate yourself from the work and look at it as if you were someone else.That is really hard for me but I'M TRYING!

[spidey976]

Thank you gentlemen I've been workin hard.I definitely will try and work your suggestions in because the last round of crits did help me even though I BEHAVED LIKE AN ASSHOLE WHEN I GOT THEM.I apologize for that, an older artist gave me some good advice he said seperate yourself from the work and look at it as if you were someone else.That is really hard for me but I'M TRYING!

Cool dude ... glad to see the growth ... both artistically and in terms of your acceptance of C&C. You are really on the road ... and I hope that you proud of your growth ... you should be. As for leaving yoru self out of the equation when you recieve c&C ... it is really tough for many of us ... but it is worth it. You have become much more gracious ... and that is very cool ... just continue to be that way and your will get even more comments.

Keep up the good work dude.