Grant Morrison And Frank Quietly's Batman and Robin

[NickRocks]

thought id start a seperate thread for this title...the books not out so we cant review it but i thought this would be the best place for a discussion thread, no?

interview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/961/961488p1.html)

[AlexT17]

What is this about? Which Batman title are they taking over?

[ScottEwen]

I don't know if this is the right place for it (Break Room seems more appropriate for just a general discussion of a book that hasn't come out yet), but this sounds like a pretty good book. I loved Morrison and Quietly's Superman, and I love pretty much everything they do together.

[tekende]

SO I guess we're looking at Dick and Damien as Batman and Robin? I hate Damien. I mean, does ANYone like Damien?

I'm tempted to buy this because of All-Star Superman, but Morrison's Batman run has been so terrible that I don't know if I'll bother.

[Ratcrack]

D&D. hehe. I'm interested in seeing where they go with this.

[ScottEwen]

What?? Who is Damien? Why isn't it Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson (or Tim Drake)?

[Popninja]

What?? Who is Damien? Why isn't it Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson (or Tim Drake)?

Damien is Bruce Wayne's son, introduced early in Morrison's run on Batman.

[hadesillustrations]

Bruce Wayne has a son...

There are people that need killing.

[50%grey]

I think he always had a son ,but for a long time it was never specificaly stated.

I have this really old graphic novel where he bangs Ra's al Ghul's daughter ,and at the end I believe they show her pregnant. That was back in the 90's I think

[davechisholm]

...really old graphic novel ... That was back in the 90's I think

hahaha this is funny!


i can't freaking WAIT for this. quitely is probably my fave artist working right now, and i love morrison! amazing!

[50%grey]

Well yeah the 90's seem old to me now haha :p

[Popninja]

I remember when I was a kid, in the 70's, I thought I Love Lucy was ancient. But it was only 20-something years old. When you think about it, in a year, 1990 will be 20 years ago. That's freaky.

Gah, I'm old.

[thEbrEEze]

Damien is a a-hole but he sure can fight, I mean he took out drake in the bat cave. And if grayson doesn't become batman I'm gonna have to cut someone

[killingyouguy]

I can't verbalize just how excited I am for this. I'm a Morrison whore, a Quitely whore, (even moreso when they are together) and a Batman nerd.

Rucka's Batwoman run in Detective also looks intriguing, but I will read anything JH Williams draws.

None of the other books seems that interesting to me.

[Terminator X]

Batman is my favorite. Ever. But the Bat-verse has been so terrible for the past few years. I'll go in and out and every time I come back, I just quit again.

I long for the days of Brubaker on Batman and Rucka on tech. So good.

The only Bat-title worth reading right now does not come out on any regular basis, and that's All-Star Batman and Robin (hotly debated opinion, I know).

[Johnny Blaque]

I can't verbalize just how excited I am for this. I'm a Morrison whore, a Quitely whore, (even moreso when they are together) and a Batman nerd.

Rucka's Batwoman run in Detective also looks intriguing, but I will read anything JH Williams draws.

None of the other books seems that interesting to me.

THIS. Except...I'm a little interested in Gotham City Sirens. I just wonder what kinda direction that book will go.

[Wild&Uncouth]

I haven't read a Batman story since Azarello & Risso's 'Broken City' storyline.
I'm really looking forward to seeing how this book grips me. When Morrison's writing shines, it SHINES. And Quitely has always been a personal favorite from way back when he did The Authority.

They need to collect all 12 All-Star Superman issues into one big awesome book. I would buy it in a second.

So yeah, Batman should be cool, regardless of who's Batman and who's Robin.

OH! And I take that Borken City comment back. The last Batman story I read was Batman: Year 100 by Paul Pope, which was awesome.

[50%grey]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0905/07/batmanandrobin3.jpg


Woah

[AlexT17]

Looks like an interesting cover

[malachimanson]

Sometimes I loves Franks work. Like with the New Xmen while he was doing it. I dug it. Earth 2 couldn't into it. Yet that cover. Thats one of finest covers I've seen of his. I just don't know its retro. Its just got a really good story telling element to it. Thats a buy just to have the cover art.

[NickRocks]

i really dig that cover, as opposed to the first two.

[AlexT17]

Just read the issue, not what I expected. It's just like a Grant Morrison story where you don't really know what's going on and are lost throughout.

[NickRocks]

yeah, they seem to love it on CBR though

[davechisholm]

Just read the issue, not what I expected. It's just like a Grant Morrison story where you don't really know what's going on and are lost throughout.


this doesn't describe this issue at all.
if you can't follow along with this, i can't imagine you can follow anything.

great comic, great writing, great art, huge possibilities.

[AlexT17]

this doesn't describe this issue at all.
if you can't follow along with this, i can't imagine you can follow anything.

great comic, great writing, great art, huge possibilities.

The story introduces new characters without really introducing them. The introduction of The Circus doesn't really give the reader a reason to find out who they are. It just looks like another mob-type thing. They search out certain people and make them part of their group against their will. I feel that Grant Morrison is a good writer, but his introductory issues to the storyline have always been bad. Just look at his stint with The Authority. The first issue was so bad and confusing, that after the second issue came out, no one really wanted to read it. He got fed up at people's internet reviews about the book and decided not to write the thing.

This story has potential, but it still needs a couple of more issues before it becomes something great. And there was no cool cliffhanger as with AS Superman.

[davechisholm]

The story introduces new characters without really introducing them. The introduction of The Circus doesn't really give the reader a reason to find out who they are. It just looks like another mob-type thing. They search out certain people and make them part of their group against their will. I feel that Grant Morrison is a good writer, but his introductory issues to the storyline have always been bad. Just look at his stint with The Authority. The first issue was so bad and confusing, that after the second issue came out, no one really wanted to read it. He got fed up at people's internet reviews about the book and decided not to write the thing.

This story has potential, but it still needs a couple of more issues before it becomes something great. And there was no cool cliffhanger as with AS Superman.

how was his first issue of new x-men bad???

and how is introducing everything about new characters in their first appearance good writing?

pyg and his circus intrigue me and freak me out. that's enough for me to understand, because i understand that there are more issues for the characters to be fleshed out.

do you really want to know everything about any character the moment they are introduced?

[AlexT17]

how was his first issue of new x-men bad???

and how is introducing everything about new characters in their first appearance good writing?

pyg and his circus intrigue me and freak me out. that's enough for me to understand, because i understand that there are more issues for the characters to be fleshed out.

do you really want to know everything about any character the moment they are introduced?


You are right about what you say. Depending on the writer, and how things are written, the way the characters are introduced can very depending on the pace of the story and the style it is written in. I feel that Grant Morrison has become a Jeph Loeb and Mark Millar in that they know they are awesome writers, to the point that they don't give a shit about what actually makes it on paper. And New-Xmen was before he turned into those kinds of writers.

And no. I would like to know enough to keep me interested until their origin or story are revealed.

[Dri]

Spoilers--










Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely (ALL-STAR SUPERMAN, WE3,New X-Men), are the best team in comics today imo.
Quitely sells Morrison's wacky concepts better than anyone. Nowadays I'm a casual comic book reader but hearing
about this project and seeing the previews had me waiting in anticipation.
Even got my friend, Mana-boozy to get me a copy in case it sold out.

This first issue kicks off a 3-part story involving villains called the Circus of Strange. Batman and Robin also
tackle their first mission investigating a child who's been abducted by the mysterious Domino Killer.

The initial scene has Batman and Robin chasing Toad and his
gang in the new flight enabled Batmobile. Quietly incorporates
lettering in his artwork in the chase scenes and he pulls it off
brilliantly. He also stages the action so well throughout the book
but that's pretty much expected.

They capture Toad and carry out their interrogation. But this results in a dead end as Toad is more
threatened by his boss, 'Pyg' than by Batman. There is a nice panel of Batman and Robin
punching Toad sending his brief case and its contents flying into the air.

Our attentions are then led to the Batcave which gives us a glimpse of Grayson,
Damien and Alfred Pennyworth. Grayson seems overawed assuming Batman's
mantle while Damien exudes an extreme bravado that doesn't let up. He has some
respect for Alfred but keeps challenging Grayson. He's annoying but I assume Morrison
has used his character instead of Tim Drake to put an unpredictability factor into the mix.

Toad is in lockup but we see a burning man exit a burning car approaching the precinct.
Pressumedly leading to Toad's eventual escape.

Batman and Robin rush to a scene. Don't know whether it was a distress call that alerts the duo
but Commisioner Gordon uses the Bat Signal to see whether Batman will respond to the call.
Fellow officers talking to Gordon indicate that Batman has been missing for months.

In the final pages we are then introduced to the villain, Pyg. The somewhat disturbing scene has
one of Toad's peers packing his bags in hopes to run away. His plans are cut short when creepy
henchmen make way into his apartment. Once the man awakes, Pyg grafts a mask onto the man
while his daughter watches.

The thing I like about this scene is because Quitely depicts anything creepy really well. This is no exception.
The mood reminded me of The Dark Knight.

It's hard to analysize a first issue because it lays the groundwork for the arc but I thoroughly
enjoyed this. If people are expecting Bruce Wayne's Batman they wont get it here. I'm
not too familiar with Dick Grayson/Nightwing but he obviously is not assertive as Bruce nor
does he have the approach of a man with a plan.

I like Grant Morrison's dialog and characterizations in the book so far. Pyg seems like a psychotic
character. Don't know how he will pose a threat beside the fact he can turn people. Paracapes
seems like a redundant concept for Batman but for Robin I can see it working.

In terms of art, I can see why Quitely has used more lines than he usually does. He does a
gritty Batman. I enjoy his depiction of Robin because he captures the arrogance of Damien so
well. His take on Circus of Strange especially Toad is awesome. Solid storytelling by one of
my favorite comic artists today.

I can't wait for issue 2.

[NickRocks]

nice review! we already have a thread for this comic teehee :p

[jdmakescomics]

I agree with pretty much everything dri said...except about Damian being annoying. I like how his character is just such a little jerk. Watching Dick trying to rein him in should be fun.

Plus Quietly didn't fail to impress. His storytelling was as on point as ever, and his design work really created a unique look to the book that isn't all star superman and isn't what the bat books have been lately. I like it. So yeah, count me in for the long haul...unless I decide to trade buy. It's easier to study the art like that, since I don't have to pull out individual issues.

[davechisholm]

can a mod merge threads please?

i agree totally. i loved this book so so so much.

[Dri]

nice review! we already have a thread for this comic teehee :p

Oh snap! The book is so good it used to be, 2 threads. :)

[gadgetwk]

so far i have no opinion. i hated battle for the cowl and batman rip. i like damien, and i like some of what morrisons done. im unsure right now though. give me a few issues, maybe a couple of arcs to really see what i think of this.

[Popninja]

I loved the first issue. I didn't know what the hell was going on, but I didn't care. Quitely's art is always a joy to behold and hopefully I can work my way into understanding what's going on. I stopped reading Morrison's run on Batman a long time ago.

[Johnny Blaque]

Loved the issue. Very easy to pick up and read really, don't know where people are getting confused. Quietly's art is amazing, if he keeps it up, it'll be better than A.S.S.

Loved the Coming Soon page with Daimien getting stomped on. I also loved the double punch from D&D.

[Carter]

Albert Pennyworth

Did you seriously call him ALBERT instead of ALFRED like 20 times?

Anyway, this comic was terrible in about a million ways, but I'm willing to give it one more month because I like All Star Superman so much. I had high hopes for this thing, but those were all pretty much crushed in every respect.

I love Quitely, but the art was terrible and unfinished. Everything looked rushed, and it really needed an inker.

The whole story leading up to this was retarded. Somehow, I expected this to be an out of continuity, stand alone title in the manner of the All Star books. Go figure.

Damien is a dickhole. I hope Joker sets his head on fire.

I'm willing to give Pyg and The Circus a chance, but as it stands, he's looking like a run of the mill Saw-type villain.

Generally speaking, I'd toss a comic like this, but my instincts are telling me it'll get better. Fingers crossed.

[Halcyon]

A dick hole Damien may be, but one that might be the subject of some sort of catharsis. I enjoy seeing the roles reversed. It'll make for an intriguing dynamic. Truthfully, though, this is probably the only Batman comic I'll be reading that Grant Morrison got his hands on.

[NickRocks]

or me its ASBAR or GTFO

[50%grey]

I was surprised how awesome this turned out.

You can definitely tell that Dick Grayson is Batman. Everything from how he approaches a problem to how he talks to Damien is all conveyed extremely well.

The relationship between him and Damien is also very interesting. Dick doesn't have the same commanding presence that Bruce has, so there is always this power struggle going on between him and the new Robin.

Damien really wants the Batman monocle,and seems to be biding his time till Dick can't handle it anymore.

I like that they amped up the new villains to match the almost volatile relationship that the new Batman and Robin have. This chapter in the Batman Legacy seems to be ripe with darkness.

The preview page of things to come in this new story arc will have me anticipating every single issue.

Bravo

[BBALLER]

Grant Morrison is by far one of DC's best writers because he brings new concepts and story ideas to every comic he's on.
He's done and awsome job on Batman!

[NickRocks]

it was alright, but it didnt blow me away. Maybe its my dislike for morrison on batman. I wish the colorist from ASSM was on this one, sinclair seems to be mimicking DK2 with the effects.

it was decent. nothing to really hate on, nothing to get all worked up over.

[Dri]

The second issue was real short it seems. Quitely has a knack with
drawing action and totally redeemed the splash page sitting in the
embarrassing thread.

I'm growing to like Grayson as Bats and I had no idea Damien was
10. Can't complain as this is a fun read for the meantime.

How about an awesome display of sequential storytelling?

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r240/greendri/bar_02_09.jpg

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r240/greendri/bar_02_10-11.jpg

[sdowner]

I wasn't sold on the first issue, but with the second... well, this is going on my pull list along with Wednesday Comics. It's just so purty. And I love the way they're handling Dick dealing with the role of Batman within the story.

Morrison's one hell of a good writer, but I think the artist he's paired with is crucial. His run on Batman has been very hit or miss for me so far, and I think it's due to the art. Andy Kubert was... okay, and when J.H. Williams did the Black Glove story, it was excellent. But Tony Daniel on Batman R.I.P. was just terrible. I think there was a good story in there, but it was buried under the awful art.

And now, with Frank Quitely on this story- well, I'm starting to think some pencillers "get" Morrison and others don't.

Dri, I was gonna post that spread myself. It's definitely a shining moment, no doubt. Quitely's storytelling is so clear in this, just reading it is an education in sequential art.

[NickRocks]

yeah, but after issue 3, its philip tan.

[Popninja]

Yeah, it's a shame that Morrison doesn't always get paired up with the absolute best. IMO, his long runs always suffer from inconsistency with artists. New X-Men is the best example for me because I hated Igor Kordey filling in for Quitely. I didn't read Batman R.I.P. because of the artwork, as well. I'm not familiar with Tan's work, but all it will take is that one issue for me to decide if I'm in or out.

[NickRocks]

tan took over after angel medina on spawn. i didnt like his stuff on spawn. he did some other dc work, including drawing the female question

[sdowner]

My beef with Daniel's art on Batman wasn't his style as such (though it was a little X-TREME for my taste), it was more the pacing, and a focus on flashy camera shots at the cost of clear storytelling. When a writer's as dense and plot-driven as Morisson, a penciler can't afford to be anything less than perfect with the storytelling. I haven't read much stuff by Tan, so I'll just wait and see what it's like.

[NickRocks]

heres a tan cover to issue #5

http://i30.tinypic.com/1424h01.jpg

[50%grey]

Garbage. The guys style doesn't even fit the project...

That looks like some hacked out 90's crapola

[NickRocks]

after tan its Frazer irving (http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=21244&sessionid=171f93d1a2665566e17ce79fb1ec40ee)

http://www.frazerirving.com/uploaded_images/timestorm-012-725651.jpg

[N.O.D.]

after tan its Frazer irving (http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=21244&sessionid=171f93d1a2665566e17ce79fb1ec40ee)


Cool. Not sure about that cover but I liked his work on Seven Soldiers of Victory with Morrison.

[I'mAWheel]

Ugh. God, why Tan? And why Benes, or whoever it was that drew Winick's first issue of Batman? These guys are a little too EXTREME for this project, I think...

[Ratcrack]

Me thinks Damien is about to be humbled.

[Ugga Bugga]

I wrote this review before I realized that there was this thread. So here is my review.

Lame innuendo jokes about the relationship between Batman and Robin aside, the relationship between these two characters is intriguing and enduring. Bruce Wayne, the orphaned child turns himself into a crime fighting machine, and takes under his wing an orphaned child. Through the years, twists and turns in the relationship have always managed to garner interest. Dick Grayson grows up and becomes Nightwing. Jason Todd, gets killed in the line of duty. Tim Drake . . . what exactly did Tim Drake do?

The Psychological aspect of Bruce Wayne as mentor, father figure, psychopath, protector, lost child hiding behind the mask, has been fertile ground for brilliant story telling.

But now Bruce Wayne is gone. With the much ballyhooed Battle for the Cowl, it appears that we have a winner. I didn’t really follow the Battle for the Cowl, as it seemed a cheap marketing ploy. (Which of course it was). But the other result is a rather cool change in the Batman Dynamic.

It appears that the new ongoing series Batman and Robin, written by Grant Morrison, and drawn by Frank Quitely is ongoing to explore (rather expertly). It would appear that Dick Grayson is the new Batman. After years of finding himself as Nightwing, and being able to establish his own identity and reputation, Dick must now adjust to life as Batman himself.

Not only are there massive shoes to fill, there are the host of ethical problems, relationships, that must be managed by a person, that has a different constitution than his mentor Bruce Wayne. Throw into the mix a young impulsive, aggressive Robin named Damian, Bruce Wayne’s son.

Thankfully, Dick has Alfred to guide him, and give him sound advise. There is no way that Batman in any incarnation could proceed without the unquestioning devotion, and wisdom of Alfred.

By the second issue of this series, it is clear that the new Batman feels himself a fraud. Alfred, always the master of human psychology speaks to Dick in the language he can understand. You may not feel like your batman, because you’re not. But you, the showbiz family guy, can certainly play a role, be an actor. You aren’t Batman. You are simply playing that role.

The emotion in this book is clear. The colors are brilliant (Alex Sinclair),

The book also doesn’t forget to be fun. At one point in book 2, Robin crashes into the wall, and the concrete splits into the word “SMASH”. It’s a comic book. Let’s not forget to make it fun.

I hope they don’t go too overboard with the cocky, overconfident kid for too long. The kid needs to understand the consequences of his obnoxious attitude, or it will get old soon.

I highly recommend you pick up the first two issues of this series (I think the third is on its way). It is a great fun read.

[Dri]

The third has already been released and felt a little rushed and
underdeveloped. Frank Quitely still does a superb job with the art.
His lettering in some of his art is getting better.
The book is still loads of fun though.

[50%grey]

meh ......

[NickRocks]

im not a fan of morrisons "you HAVE to understand my random 60's comic references to understand the story OR ELSE!!!!" writing on batman. So far this is an overrated comic, IMO...its fun and looks neat, but its not anything to get super excited over or trash on. Morrison actually kept obscure references pretty low and told an interesting story...quietly did his thing. in and out.

[Ugga Bugga]

I've always loved the Batman and Robin dynamic. To me, it is insane to put a child in this position. Yet Bruce thought he was doing the best he could for the kid.

Now, the dynamic has been turned on its head. Robin Sr. now needs to take care of Batman Jr. neat turn. Think it will be really interesting.

[50%grey]

It was interesting until I read that 3rd issue...

Hopefully they will give more then 3 issues to the next arc

[sdowner]

50%, what exactly was your problem with the 3rd issue? I thought it was awesome, myself.

[50%grey]

I'm just mad it ended so quick I guess haha.:D

[sdowner]

But it's not over! Morrison's got the next arc with Philip Tan, and this Red Hood character looks nifty. (though I'm definitely sad to see Quitely go. He's perfect for Morrison.)

[50%grey]

Going to give it a shot,but I have a hard time looking at Tans artwork

[sdowner]

I think the colorist is pretty important on 90's-looking work like Tan's. If they get somebody generic and shiny, it's likely to blow pretty hard. As much as I like Guy Major, I think his work on Tony Daniel's art was part of the problem in Batman: RIP. Somebody with a more painterly style- not painted, understand, but more willing to use brushes instead of gradients- would help classy it up more.
Most of those type of colorists seem to be at Marvel, though.
I think Alex Sinclair will do fine, though. (I assume they're keeping him on.) He did something really original with Quitely's art in the first three issues. I don't think that approach will work with Tan's art, but he's versatile enough that I bet it will look okay.

[hellblazer72]

I'm just mad it ended so quick I guess haha.:D

going through quitely withdrawls already :)

[sdowner]

So it looks like Cameron Stewart is the artist coming on the book after Tan. I can't wait. I love Stewart's work.
Here's his cover for Issue 7:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/downer_toonist/BR7coverFinal.jpg

[Ratcrack]

^That's great!! Will this series be on-going or will it end the moment Morrison leaves?

[jdmakescomics]

So it looks like Cameron Stewart is the artist coming on the book after Tan. I can't wait. I love Stewart's work.
Here's his cover for Issue 7:


and suddenly I love Cameron Stewart's work too!

That pic is pretty awesome. I was actually expecting to drop the book until Quitely was back on, but the writing has been good so far and I'm willing to wait out Tan for some more of that.

[Ratcrack]

You should check out the colored version. That cover is going to sell a lot of copies.

[NickRocks]

what happened to frazer irving?

and im really psyched that tan is coming up. i was iffy at first, but seeing his sketches has got me pumped.

[sdowner]

I guess Irving is off the book? I know Quitely's back on after Stewart...

Tan's first issue is out. What did you all think? I liked it more than I expected. There were a few really neat panel layouts and storytelling tricks that reminded me of Quitely. The bright colors helped keep the weird-fun vibe that they've been going for since Issue 1.

I didn't like the brutality Tan put in, though. I mean, it's a violent book, but we don't really need to see a closeup of that guy drooling blood and dropping teeth, do we? And man, his Penguin is ugly. Which is great, but he's drawn ugly, you know what I mean? Like, you can have an ugly character drawn in an appealing way. Quitely is great at that, and it's a must for this series. But Tan draws an ugly character in an ugly way, and it's a total turnoff. (Tony Daniel was even worse about this, and it almost ruined Batman RIP.)

But on the whole, I really enjoyed the issue, and I'm looking forward to the next two! Philip Tan helps tell the story instead of getting on Morrison's way like another Batman artist did.

Still, Cameron Stewart's issues can't come fast enough for me. I mean, look at this Penguin.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/bat2.jpg

[Wild&Uncouth]

I guess Irving is off the book? I know Quitely's back on after Stewart...

The artists are Quitely, Tan, Stewart, and Irving. I don't know ho many issues that is.

[tekende]

I'm not pleased with Tan's work on #4, not pleased at all. His layouts are awful and made the comic a lot harder to read than it should have been. His anatomy and perspective have issues in a lot of places as well. Overall, a serious drop in quality, and I have to wonder why they put him on such a high-profile book; he clearly isn't ready for it. Me, I'm ready for Stewart's run.

[NickRocks]

phillip tan delivered, is all i got to say.

[starkoryan81]

I won't be purchasing this title until Quitely comes back. All due respect to the other guys, he's a tough act to follow. I wish this book would stay all Morrison/Quitely like All Star Supes, but I guess we'd have to wait forever for it to come out. Ah, well...
r:skull:

[UnsungGuru]

I won't be purchasing this title until Quitely comes back. All due respect to the other guys, he's a tough act to follow.

I'm with you. Quitely's a personal fave & elevates anything he puts pencils to.

[Ratcrack]

I really enjoyed issue #4. Philip Tans' art isn't all that bad. I like his take on the Penguin and I like how Morrison writes him. It's like a fusion of Danny Devito's Penguin and Burgess Meredith's from the tv show. He also looks like a Rankin Bass Hobbit with that huge nose lol. The whole look of Gotham city reminds me of Blade Runner for some reason, too.

[sdowner]

I won't be purchasing this title until Quitely comes back. All due respect to the other guys, he's a tough act to follow. I wish this book would stay all Morrison/Quitely like All Star Supes, but I guess we'd have to wait forever for it to come out. Ah, well...
r:skull:

Whaaat? I can see skipping Tan, but don't sell Cameron Stewart short, man. He's done excellent work with Grant Morrison before, like Seaguy 1 and 2 and the Manhattan Guardian story in Seven Soldiers of Victory. i'd encourage you to pick his issues up.

[Wild&Uncouth]

I'm indifferent to Tan, but I will say that any self-proclaimed comic book fans who won't be giving Stewart and Irving their attention are sadly missing out on some very talented narrative artists.

For Cameron Stewart, Seaguy is a must-read, because it's great. Manhattan Guardian from 7S was really good. His online comic Sin Titulo is also very good.

Irving is a personal fav. Klarion the Witch Boy was what turned me onto his work. His Iron Man was a great follow-up. Gutsville is inspired. His work on the Azrael: BftC stuff was also cool.

They're both extremely talented artists that are worth just as much attention as Quitely, who right now, imo, needs a frigging inker.

I love Quitely's work, of course. I'll take what I can get. We3 is one of my top 5 favorite comic stories.

[Popninja]

I'm just gonna say it...in the nicest way I possibly can, of course.

Phillip Tan sucks on this book. I've got not a single kind word to say about issues 4 and 5 of Batman & Robin artwise.

It's as bad as Igor Kordey filling in for Quitely on New X-Men. Ugh...

[hellblazer72]

I'm just gonna say it...in the nicest way I possibly can, of course.

Phillip Tan sucks on this book. I've got not a single kind word to say about issues 4 and 5 of Batman & Robin artwise.

It's as bad as Igor Kordey filling in for Quitely on New X-Men. Ugh...

i 100% agree with you. the good news is we only have one more issue from him. the bad news is we still have one more issue from him

[NickRocks]

you guys are crazy, tan has been killing it on this book. im so happy for him.

[VicM]

Cameron Stewart will do just fine on this. Trust.

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[Spidey]

For Cameron Stewart, Seaguy is a must-read, because it's great. Manhattan Guardian from 7S was really good. His online comic Sin Titulo is also very good.


Thanks for the Sin Titulo suggestion. I remember being a fan of his work on Manhattan Guardian and looked up Sin Titulo. That webcomic is awesome.

[N.O.D.]

I'm just gonna say it...in the nicest way I possibly can, of course.

Phillip Tan sucks on this book. I've got not a single kind word to say about issues 4 and 5 of Batman & Robin artwise.

It's as bad as Igor Kordey filling in for Quitely on New X-Men. Ugh...

Oh come on, that's a bit much. Tan's work doesn't exactly inspire me personally but Kordey's was just horrifying.

It's certainly a step down from Quitely in either case but I don't think you can really put a Tan page next to a Kordey X-man page and say they're equally bad.

[Popninja]

OK, I'll concede that Tan's work isn't as jarringly godawful as Kordey's work on New X-Men was, but I'm still not able to immerse myself into Morrison's Batman world with Tan's art as easily as I was with Quitely's.

His work is kinda dirty looking.

[NickRocks]

OK, I'll concede that Tan's work isn't as jarringly godawful as Kordey's work on New X-Men was, but I'm still not able to immerse myself into Morrison's Batman world with Tan's art as easily as I was with Quitely's.

His work is kinda dirty looking.

and i dont really think thats his fault though. ive seen tans pencils for this, and his sketches, and they are very clean an dnice. I think inks and colors are ruining it if anything.

[50%grey]

I didn't mind Tans art as much as I thought I would.

NM just read the 5th issue ...Egad it was ugly to look at

[starkoryan81]

i 100% agree with you. the good news is we only have one more issue from him. the bad news is we still have one more issue from him

This made me chuckle. I read issue 5 yesterday, and I think it was worse than 4. His Robin definitely has issues. It kept reminding me of the "embarrassing moments" thread on these forums. No apologies or disclaimers from me: Tan blows.

[howard_d]

Most of the posts here seem to be about the art, not writing, but:

I'm enjoying the scripts, though it’s not yet as good as the end of Morrison's Bruce Wayne based run.

The basic plot is the same as it’s been for much of Morrison's last run:

Batman fights Evil Batman.

Actually, now its more Batman and Robin fights Evil Batman and Robin.

It was the three ex-cops before (and the villain in the International Batman arc, i guess, and even Dr. Hurt wears a Batman costume, and is symbolically connected with Batman in other ways), and now its Red Hood, which is fine, I don't mind the theme, but I think it’s amusing to point out Morrison is hitting it again and again and again.

The other notable thing is Morrison is taking pot shots at the Superhero genre again, which he does from time to time.

Red Hood says Batman is now a marketing idea without meaning.

The focus on the marketing data driving Red Hood's actions. Batman's line "Stop talking in marketing speak" or however it went.

Bruce Wayne is a creepy dude who made Robin II dye his hair to look like Robin I. This paints Robin II's weird physical similarity to Robin I in a new light. (Unless it was from the original comic, anyone know?)

Red Hood pointing out that Damian won't be Robin for very long, which is true, new things tend to always revert to status quo in these comics, with few exceptions.

The Flamingo being the ultimate badass villain. He's clearly a giant, pink, flaming parody of a Batman villain.

Everyone talks about how incredibly badass this ridiculous goofball is, with his ridiculous pink airplane and the ridiculous bird rivalry with the penguin.

The implication seems to be Superhero comics are all about weird, effeminate, gay guys telling each other how very masculine and badass they are.