1st annual Thunderbrawl tournament. [Archive] - Page 2

Mr.Hades

04-19-2008, 03:11 PM

If caught voting with multiple user accounts, I think the guilty party (or parties) should be blocked from all future draw-off voting and participation. There are no excuses for such poor sportsmanship and bad behavior. It's not fair to those who spend valuable hours producing artwork to entertain us all, if they don't receive adequate punishment for violating the rules in this manner.

Loston

Agreed. It totally goes against the whole idea and principle of the draw-offs. It's a shame. :mad:

lost-spartan

04-19-2008, 03:28 PM

Wow. I thought voting for yourself was as uncool a thing as someone could do in a draw-off. Not anymore :mad:

darth_geek

04-19-2008, 03:31 PM

Cheating to win a draw-off is extremely sad, and the cheaters deserve punishment.

I'm really hoping it's not any of the actual participants! Surely not...but immediate DQ if so.

Spidey

04-19-2008, 03:39 PM

We couldn't tie the multiple accounts to any existing members just new accounts.

JimLeeforGod

04-19-2008, 03:46 PM

I'm really pissed off about this. This draw-off was one of the most positive morale boosters on PJ in a long time, and now it feels spoiled. I was so enthusiastic about the draw-offs for the first time in years, staying up late just to see the entries posted for vote. Now my enthusiasm is seriously diminished. Cheating to win a draw-off is extremely sad, and the cheaters deserve punishment. If caught voting with multiple user accounts, I think the guilty party (or parties) should be blocked from all future draw-off voting and participation. There are no excuses for such poor sportsmanship and bad behavior. It's not fair to those who spend valuable hours producing artwork to entertain us all, if the guilty parties don't receive adequate punishment for violating the rules in this manner.

Loston

:lml-: Preach it brother! :-lml:

Morganza

04-19-2008, 04:10 PM

I concede to ThreeEyesWorm.

It's just not fun anymore, this WAS fun and engaging, I'm so mad right I need to stop typing. Take me out of this please.

spidey976

04-19-2008, 04:37 PM

I concede to ThreeEyesWorm.

It's just not fun anymore, this WAS fun and engaging, I'm so mad right I need to stop typing. Take me out of this please.

Morgan that would be a damn shame m8 ... you earned your spot.

Spidey

04-19-2008, 04:41 PM

I've PMed our most likely culprit. As soon as I get a response from him/her I'll let you guys know what I plan on doing. Morgan I implore you to reconsider, but if you have made up your mind I suppose I can have an ex-combatant take your spot.

ScottEwen

04-19-2008, 04:42 PM

Tsk tsk.tencharacters

Morganza

04-19-2008, 04:45 PM

Sorry to those who wasted their vote on me.

I think Dr. Baltar should come back though, I think he may have really won the first round.

Bruce Lee

04-19-2008, 04:50 PM

We couldn't tie the multiple accounts to any existing members just new accounts.

This situations really blows. The last time I participated in a draw-off. I was ahead on votes by a landslide for two weeks of voting, until the last day. Then, the final minutes of voting, I watched my opponent demolish my 60% of the vote lead, and turn it into a one-point victory. I was pretty stunned, to say the least. Looking into those people voting, there were a lot of new PJ members accounts created that day, with these new members seem to post only once. Yep. The voting post. None of these new members ever posted again after the draw-off was over. :mad:

I don't mind losing a draw-off, but I was pretty miffed at how this one ended. It was all very suspicious. I complained via PM to the person in charge of the draw-off, point all this out, as I recall. He responded that there was nothing he could really do about the situation, and suggested I just tried to forget it. I did just that, hoping that this was just a "one time" occurrence on the draw-off boards, and just moved on.

Fast forward, and I'm seeing the same thing happening again, and I'm angry and very disappointed. The same pitt in my stomach feeling has returned again.

This tournament started off as a real inspiration. Now I'm just very disappointed in the pettiness of people... :(

Spidey

04-19-2008, 04:56 PM

Unfortutantely there is no way to tell Morgan as I didn't enable the public vote for the first round. The best option now is to carry on the tourney as is. Boy, lesson learned!

Yeah, Loston I know what you mean, but we did deduce our findings to one existing member. You can't trust people even on something as easygoing as an art forum. I think I may have make somekind of rule for voting on draw-offs in the near future where registration date, IP address and forum activity come into play. I feel like an airport screener now. It's sad really.

Repo Man

04-19-2008, 05:00 PM

Wow. Whoever did this is somewhat of a sociopath.

I guess this is all heading to some sort of post count to be eligible to vote in a draw off (if that's possible). 'Sorta like getting an avatar or something.

Shame.

spidey976

04-19-2008, 05:00 PM

Sorry to those who wasted their vote on me.

I think Dr. Baltar should come back though, I think he may have really won the first round.

Dude ... I know he is a competeter ... but I don't think he would would like to come back in much right now ... also .... how do you know he won ... you put it a great piece. I think the only way you should back out right now ... is if you knew for sure ... and I don't think that is possible. Morgan your stuff is top notch ... I also BEG you to stay in ... I want to see what you come up with if you move on.

mana-boozy

04-19-2008, 05:03 PM

hi there guys!

i'd like 2 publically say tht since i am new here, i have nothing 2 do with he whole cheating thing.

i came here 2 help me improve my skills and not 2 cheat my way into it. i feel shame on the person who has gone out of their way 2 do something like this.

i am loudly speaking 2 the newbies like myself and cold-blooded-angel.

as 4 the people who r in this tourney i feel either way they have earned their spot. so no one should forfiet it anytime soon.

i am really sorry 2 hear this and hope it gets resolve soon.

Bruce Lee

04-19-2008, 05:07 PM

I think I may have make somekind of rule for voting on draw-offs in the near future where registration date, IP address and forum activity come into play.

Sounds like a good idea, Spidey. That might do a lot to keep the voting fair.

Loston

Spidey

04-19-2008, 05:11 PM

I'd like to state that unless one of you recently received a PM from me you are okay.

spidey976

04-19-2008, 05:16 PM

Hmmm ... what about having the guys who were eliminated in the first round ... come back and have a shot at the guys who were eliminated this round??? I don't know if that would create some three or four way battles ... or big semis ... but it could make some for somebig battles ... and some fun. Maybe someone smarter then I am at this stuff could figure it out ... lol.

Mana ... don't sweet it ... just because you are new ... doesn't mean we are looking at you ... my guess is ... it has nothing to do with anyone it the tourny ... artists of this caliber usually have integrity. At least I hope so

Spidey

04-19-2008, 05:23 PM

I could add a losers bracket making it a double elimination tournament just for the sake of fairness, which will also extend the dates ,but right now I'm concentrating on the charlaton, how I want to deal with him and how it ultimately affects the tournament.

Morganza

04-19-2008, 05:27 PM

.... how do you know he won ...

What made me suspicious was, near the last hour of voting, Dr. Baltar was 3 votes from winning and suddenly i got 10 votes to win.

So I have my doubts, and it's really unfair to everyone who participated, it is a real mess now IMO.

Spidey

04-19-2008, 05:29 PM

It is a fantastic mess, but I assure you I am working with other mods and am doing everything in my power to correct what I can.

spidey976

04-19-2008, 06:58 PM

It is a fantastic mess, but I assure you I am working with other mods and am doing everything in my power to correct what I can.

Spidey ... dude ... honestly you are the man. I trust everything will be done in a fair and just manor.

Morgan> I know we haven't chatted much since I joined ... and I am still a newbie relative to some ... BUT ... in my oppinion ... and I hope everyone who competed reads this ... THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPRESSIVE DISPLAYS OF ARTISTIC TALENT I HAVE EVER SEEN. If you back out now ... I will have a VERY bitter taste in my mouth about this thing because I have always loved your work ... and as much as Dr. B did a great job (I did vote for him myself) ... I didn't get any hint of sour grapes from him. Also, everyone here is stepping up there game and ThreeEyes came with an amazing piece. If he is going to beat you ... let him do it straight up ... I can't speak for him ... but I would hate to "win" by default or concession. Let Spidey work his magic ... you never know ... we might get a Dr. B & Morgan round TWO. :D

TO: All involved

The work has been beautiful; please don't let this overshadow your amazing artistic achievements.

nate lovett

04-19-2008, 07:01 PM

yeah, morg, don't drop out. i want you next round. ;)

if it works out that way.

Morganza

04-19-2008, 07:14 PM

yeah, morg, don't drop out. i want you next round. ;)

if it works out that way.

I was getting anxious to stomp with the big dogs.;) We can do it just as easy on ugga bugga.

spidey976

04-19-2008, 07:29 PM

I was getting anxious to stomp with the big dogs.;) We can do it just as easy on ugga bugga.

Morgan ... just so you know ... this guy/guys/girl/girls ... is in EVERY thread of the drawoff voting for everyone ... it is pretty obvious now that I know what to look for .. that this is meant to mess with us. The big Spidey will get it sorted out m8 ... stick it out here ... you are one of the big dogs. The same thing could happen at Ugga.

Dri

04-19-2008, 07:29 PM

Can't believe this wasn't caught sooner. I had suspicions when I noticed votes dramatically turned in the last rounds.

Some people have way TOO much time on their hands. Just yesterday I checked names on the public poll to see the legitimacy of their profile. Whether they have posted art and so forth. Not hard to tell the fake accounts.

In the end best of luck to advancing combatants because they deserve it. that's the bottom line now.

mana-boozy

04-19-2008, 07:35 PM

thnks spidey976. appreciate the openess and welcome here from evrybody.

spidey i think your pulling the right strings 2 make this a fair and fun tourney. congrats on tht.

morgan, dont beat u'r self dude, u did awesome in the last two rounds. i feel tht u deserve u'r position, although dr. baltar did amazingly so as well.

i'm with evrybody and say that u shouldn't think about dropping out.

ThreeEyesWorm

04-19-2008, 08:42 PM

MORGAN, DUDE. If you concede right now, I will be as pissed off at you as you are when you found out about this mess!!! I would HATE to move on in this tournament because you gave up.

You won. Now go and face Nate damn it. If you feel unsatisfied, then challenge Dr. Baltar again. One on one. Hell, I am even considering challenging you after this tournament! :P Drawing our characters fighting and seeing how you drew my character was awesomely fun.

Morganza

04-19-2008, 08:54 PM

ThreeEyesWorm

04-19-2008, 09:15 PM

OK dude! I feel like a dick now. I'll keep going as long as this mess is cleared up, I guess I didn't think you would feel about it, sorry about that.

Nah, you aren't a dick. But damn right you are staying! :P

cold-blooded-angel

04-19-2008, 10:15 PM

WB Morgan.

this whole mess is a real shame, good luck to the mods for getting it fixed up in good time.

staunkedaber

04-20-2008, 05:48 PM

Ugga Bugga

04-20-2008, 05:52 PM

I was getting anxious to stomp with the big dogs.;) We can do it just as easy on ugga bugga.

Please don't stomp on me. :D

Ugga Bugga

04-20-2008, 05:58 PM

This is an unfortunate situation. However it simply reinforces the kick ass talent we have on this site.

The quality on this draw off has been unbelievable.

So there was some goofiness. Its not the results that matter. it's the fact, that we have some people who push themselves to outdo themselves.

Spidey

04-21-2008, 12:25 AM

so spidey, will voting eligibility be determined through number of posts, or time on the forum? Cause I don't have many posts but i love this site. And you don't want to keep new people from joining. I'm sure you'll figure something out though.

I'm sure I will implement a lenient rule on the established status of the accounts that are eligible to vote in the future, but for now I'm only counting 1 vote per IP address if its a new account.

nate lovett

04-21-2008, 05:09 AM

well morg, you ready for the big dog, and sequentials?

;)

Bruce Lee

04-21-2008, 05:12 AM

Seems to me like setting a rule like you must a minimum of 20 posts before you can vote in the draw-offs would help matters greatly. That kind of rule would discourage someone from doing this sort of thing in the future for sure. At the same time, I don't think asking a newbie to have 20 posts before being allowed voting privileges is too strick a policy. New PJers could still post comments on the threads and check out the results of voting. Such a policy might do a little to encourage new members to explore a few more areas on the boards besides the PROVING GROUNDS also, Spidey

Loston

Morganza

04-21-2008, 05:25 AM

well morg, you ready for the big dog, and sequentials?

;)

I got page one almost done, I was up all night waiting to see if the OD match would come up and it did, I'm glad I can dig into the sequentials. I'll be on this non stop just to get a glimpse of BIG DOG-NESS!

nate lovett

04-21-2008, 05:29 AM

hey morg, do you have an updated "battle damage" pic?

and yeah, i was totally expecting the overdrive match this time. haven't started yet, but i've got it all planned out in my head.

Morganza

04-21-2008, 05:31 AM

hey morg, do you have an updated "battle damage" pic?

Not for fighting a 10 year old, no:rolleyes: She'll have an alternate costume is all I can say without giving anything away.

nate lovett

04-21-2008, 05:32 AM

that's cool, i'll just take your battle damage from the last round.

:D

Morganza

04-21-2008, 05:33 AM

Looking forward to it man!

nate lovett

04-21-2008, 05:35 AM

Looking forward to it man!

me too!

..........

mana-boozy

04-21-2008, 07:53 AM

hi guys!

just wnt 2 thank all tht voted me. really appreciate it and being able 2 get this far really helps me improve as an artist.

i knw i'm new here but 4 my art 2 b welcomed and appreciated, i couldn't be happier.

just wanna say i'm also previlage 2 b in the final four with 3 super artists.

thnks again, and may the best 2 artists win through the final.

Jel

04-21-2008, 08:04 AM

A shame that some people take such a fun event so seriously.
In the end, the particpating artists still kick major ass, so even if some people tried to go Poutine elections on us, well, the work remains top notch, so... Don't get too worked up over that shameful event, it's just a friendly tournament, and the show must go on!

Can't wait for next round!

mana-boozy

04-21-2008, 08:31 AM

yeah. what's done is done.

i'm not claiming bragging rights or anything, but saying this has been fun and got me out of a rut. didn't expect 2 get this far especially with physics as match up in first round. but i'll take it and all i want is 2 get into practice and tht's all. win or lose i'm happy, tht's all tht matters 2 me!

for my next drawing i'm gonna have fun and involve certain characters in the background.

Dri

04-21-2008, 08:52 AM

for my next drawing i'm gonna have fun and involve certain characters in the background.

Don't give away your secrets, Mana. ;) Spidey will be comin' after you.

Save your award speeches til later buddy lol.

You did good, man. Glad I convinced you to enter.

Dr. Baltar

04-21-2008, 11:13 AM

As much as I would've loved to have won the first round I can honestly say that I really didn't have time for it. I really tried to squeeze a picture out as I normally do but between my job (12-16hrs/day) and moving to the new house it was all a bloody mess. So I'm glad Morgan won and hope he continues on to kick some @$$!

Spidey

04-21-2008, 12:00 PM

I'll admit I wasn't terribly inspired last round, but this round I have plenty of ideas. I think this is going to be the best round yet.

Dri

04-22-2008, 08:28 AM

that's cool, i'll just take your battle damage from the last round.

:D

She'll be wearing a Thunderbra. Now that's HOT!

nate lovett

04-22-2008, 08:37 AM

She'll be wearing a Thunderbra. Now that's HOT!

just you wait and see.

;)

jeremy dale

04-22-2008, 02:08 PM

No, YOU wait and see. ohsnap

mana-boozy

04-22-2008, 08:44 PM

hey spidey!

is it ok if i could use sneaky erik in my piece?

Spidey

04-23-2008, 02:08 AM

Of course, I'm using him.

mana-boozy

04-23-2008, 03:02 AM

cool!

thnks man

Jayde Moon

04-23-2008, 12:01 PM

Hate to go back to this as it seems like the community is moving on, and that's awesome, but I'd like to address a couple of points:

Just yesterday I checked names on the public poll to see the legitimacy of their profile. Whether they have posted art and so forth. Not hard to tell the fake accounts.

Please keep in mind that perhaps not all members of Penciljack are themselves kickass artists. Some of us are merely your greatest fans.

Seems to me like setting a rule like you must a minimum of 20 posts before you can vote in the draw-offs would help matters greatly. That kind of rule would discourage someone from doing this sort of thing in the future for sure. At the same time, I don't think asking a newbie to have 20 posts before being allowed voting privileges is too strick a policy. New PJers could still post comments on the threads and check out the results of voting. Such a policy might do a little to encourage new members to explore a few more areas on the boards besides the PROVING GROUNDS also, Spidey

Loston

This seems very reasonable to me. Check my post count, obviously I'm new to Penciljack. Also, I'm not any type of illustrator (you guys are all kick-ass, by the way). But I have great appreciation for what's going on, I know what I like, and I think I have an eye for good art.

I joined because a friend of mine who IS an artist is using these forums to improve his work and I have been trying to follow his progress (as well as contribute to his efforts). Happened to get into the mix during this Thunderbrawl. So I voted. I voted in the first round (which my friend was in), I voted in the second round (which he was not). I have also voted in other polls.

I have cruised around the various forums, marvelling at the level of artistry on these forums and in disbelief that so many of you aren't doing this professionally.

I haven't posted much, because... well... who am I?

Anyway, just wanted to point out that not all Penciljackers may be sh!t hot illustrators, colorists, inkers, pencillers, what have you.

But if you are going to vote, good ol' Bruce has the right of it, you should also contribute, even just your words. It's how you earn your place in ANY community, is by contributing to it.

Anyway, just thought I'd say that.

And repeat that I'm so amazingly impressed by all of your talent.

Ugga Bugga

04-23-2008, 12:34 PM

I love when Bruce gets things right :)

Spidey

04-24-2008, 04:30 PM

I don't want to get into too much detail, but the new member parameters for voting are not yet in effect. I trimmed down the votes based on the multiples IPs I seen. So if you and a friend share a computer I only counted one. I'll work out the rules on how many posts one should have or how old of a member you have to be, but as is the value of your post count wasn't an issue this time as was the number of different accounts that were on the same IP address. I hope that clears some things up.

nate lovett

04-27-2008, 01:26 PM

mine are done, and have been sent to spidey. :D

B.D.Monster

04-27-2008, 01:27 PM

where were the old fights posted?

nate lovett

04-27-2008, 01:28 PM

there under the archives section.

http://www.penciljack.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=43

jeremy dale

04-27-2008, 01:37 PM

Spidey

04-27-2008, 02:32 PM

I only did that for the brand new posters 0-1 posts. Autumn havoc should be good.

Morganza

04-27-2008, 09:34 PM

Sent mine in, I worked on the last two pages from Saturday night to now, Not happy with how they turned out but very satisfied with completing something on time.

Spidey

04-27-2008, 11:28 PM

OMG just an hour and a half more! :eek:

Spidey

04-28-2008, 01:16 AM

Polls are up. Enjoy! I'm going to sleep.

jeremy dale

04-29-2008, 12:40 PM

I only did that for the brand new posters 0-1 posts. Autumn havoc should be good.

Good to know! Thanks, man. :)

nate lovett

05-01-2008, 10:29 AM

are we still limited to 3 pages for the final round? i can do what i want in 4, but with 3, there's no closure.

Spidey

05-01-2008, 02:16 PM

Congratulations to our final combatants. There is no page or size limit this round. Go nuts!

nate lovett

05-01-2008, 02:20 PM

cool. i managed to get it in 3, but now i'll rework it so it flows better.

best of luck mana!

mana-boozy

05-01-2008, 07:29 PM

cool.

i think more thn 3 would give it a better flow.

u 2 nate. previlage going up in the final agints u.

it's been a top notch tourney.

Spidey

05-11-2008, 09:32 PM

Just a few more hours. :eek:

nate lovett

05-11-2008, 09:34 PM

just turned mine into spidey about half an hour ago. i hope you brought your "A" game mana. ;)

mana-boozy

05-12-2008, 02:26 AM

me 2. i've handed it in.

i wasn't happy with all of it other thn my splash. didn't have time. so tried 2 bring it but ran out of time.

jeremy dale

05-12-2008, 05:18 AM

So...

Is there a delay on this or something?

nate lovett

05-12-2008, 05:56 AM

hmmmm.....

mana-boozy

05-12-2008, 06:33 AM

dont'know, i've sent my stuff 2 spidey last night

nate lovett

05-12-2008, 07:32 AM

i think we're just waiting for spidey to post it.

darth_geek

05-12-2008, 08:12 AM

I think someone fell asleep at his computer again.

Ryan.Smith

05-12-2008, 08:17 AM

That's the third time in a week!!! :D

staunkedaber

05-12-2008, 04:14 PM

am i the only one not seeing the pictures?

Spidey

05-12-2008, 04:24 PM

Sorry for the delay guys. I hope I didn't keep anybody up. I actually did fall asleep at my computer waiting for 12 o'clock. I woke in the morning just in time for work. Anyways, the pages are up and they are fantastic!

Spidey

05-18-2008, 01:34 AM

Congratulations Nate Lovett on your final win to become Thunderbrawl's first ever champion! You fought hard in the first round vs the only real artist on par with your skills :o . Through 3 days of voting it teetered back and forth until settling on a very rare draw. Leading to a 3-way match. Not only were you to battle Olli and his blazing Atlas a second time, but also a 3rd talented competitor, Chico Blue, was added to the mix. Even after a few hiccups with the voting process and tough competition you still managed to break on through with Sarah's gigantic electro-hammer. The quarter finals brought even sterner competition when Morganza surprised us with some fantastic sequentials. Conquering that stage you still had to face your final competitor. Mana-booozy and his ginourmous tank of a wrestler, Dree, who was breaking through the competition on his side of the brackets with his no nonsense, full of energy pin-ups and dynamite sequentials. Despite his own busy schedule he too was going all out for a spot at the top. In the end however there was room for only one.
Your determination and consistent display of raw talent cemented your spot in the finals early on. You earned a well deserve victory in this tourney and we hope that Sarah we be back to defend her crown next year.

I want to thank everyone for participating and producing some extraordinary art from start to finish and for staying with us through our rough patch. Hope you guys and anyone else that's interested return next year for more Thunderbrawl action.

In the meantime, if you have an itchy drawing finger please take a look in this forum for current challenges with other talented folks and Manji's Weekly Sketch Group topics weekly in the Community Projects (http://www.penciljack.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=42) forum. Also, look forward to the brutal, upcoming "Survival of the Fittest" competition coming this summer.