Jim Lee or Marc Silvestri

[SHAMWOW!]

who's art u think is better?

[sadman2000]

I like Silvestri's work quite a bit, but looking at some of his newer stuff it feels like looking at his 90's stuff. And while Jim Lee may have not grown much as an artist as well do to cloning himself repeatedly, his stuff on Batman, Superman or any of his newer stuff it doesn't scream 1990's like Silvestri's stuff. Lee's work just seems to be able to stand the test of time more so than Silvestri's.

[ScottEwen]

I'm not really a huge fan of either*, but I like Jim Lee's take on Batman and I'd rather read a comic drawn by him than Marc Silvestri any day.

* Before anyone gives me negative rep for that, I just want to say that I recognize both of them are very talented and good at what they do, I just don't go for that style.

[fatmancomics]

I like Silvestri's work quite a bit, but looking at some of his newer stuff it feels like looking at his 90's stuff. And while Jim Lee may have not grown much as an artist as well do to cloning himself repeatedly, his stuff on Batman, Superman or any of his newer stuff it doesn't scream 1990's like Silvestri's stuff. Lee's work just seems to be able to stand the test of time more so than Silvestri's.

I think the problem is that Silvestri started cloning himself as well and went for a cleaner, more Lee-esque (I just made up a word), style. The stuff he did on his Uncanny X-Men run was the best IMO and it was very loose and dynamic in comparison to his work for Image. But he gets my vote based on his Uncanny X-Men run.

[CWmax]

Silvestri on Wolverine was pretty good!

I still want to vote for John Buscema!


:p

CW

[Justice41]

Silvestri all the way!!!

[Manji]

Jim Lee. Jim's PWJ and early Uncanny X-men stuff are still some of the best drawn comics ever. Great story flow, great style great stuff, ranks right up there with Neal Adams or Garcia-Lopez Batman runs in my book.

[antquinonez]

silvestri, for me. his stuff with dan green way back in the x-men titles was awesome.

[JimLeeforGod]

hmmmm tough one. :confused:

[Werner]

Liked Jim Lee more at first (early 90's) and liked Silvestri more later (late 90's). Right now I have no idea because I don't follow either.

I think it would be funny if somebody changed their nickname to JimLeeforGodforGod....

[Chris Major]

Very, very difficult, but I had to go for Jim Lee.
My reasoning:

Silvestri Pros:
- Very solid anatomy;
- Characters have, well, character;
- Can draw many a different body type.
Silvestri Cons:
- repeats himself in layouts
- Over-renders, making some panels or characters muddy;
- REALLY over-hatches his stuff, way too many lines in there for pseudo-texturing

Lee Pros:
- Dynamic style, a bit more action in there than Silvestri IMO;
- Leaves plenty of ground for his inkers and colorists to work with;
- Best technical improvement of the two over the years.
Lee Cons:
- Can only draw roughly 5 body types (Heroic Male, Beefy Male, Skinny Male, Babe, Midget)
- Atrocious at keeping deadlines
- Seems to me like he can multi-task better (white-out usage, inks, washes, etc)

It's very tough to decide. I went with Jim Lee because as an inker I'd ink Lee over Silvestri any day of the week.

[JimLeeforGod]

I think it would be funny if somebody changed their nickname to JimLeeforGodforGod....

It would be cool but then it would also be blasphemy.
Besides JLFGFG dosent flow as well :D

[Keith]

Jim Lee has always been solid, I like his Punisher art a lot (I *think* that's what inspired the movie version as well,) and his watercolors are something he should do more of.

Same for Silvestri, really solid artist, his Wolverine run was pretty iconic for the time, he colors pretty good a lot of the time as well.

IMO Silvestri handles his figures a little better, and has better facial expressions, Lee does better backgrounds, and does a little better at layouts and composition.

Really tough for me growing up with reading both, but I like Silvestri a little more.

[spidey976]

Okay I came back to this thread because when I saw it awhile back ... well I couldn't decide. However I had to go for Jim Lee, but by a hairs breath. Ten years ago it would have been a much larger margin though I was still a fan of Silvestri's.

I think that Lee is going to be remembered as kind of the Icon of this artistic age. I think that in time when we look back on it he will have has almost if not the same amount of impact on artists as the likes of Kirby, Buscema, Ditko, and the old guard. In fact I think we are starting to see that already. I just don't think Silvestri will reach that point. Partially, I think it is because Lee keeps his work so crisp and defined ... or should I say Williams does ... lol. His work on Batman Hush ... and Superman was completely iconic and it is the image that I think will be in a lot of peoples heads when they think Batman or Supes for a lot of years. Silvestri hasn't had that impact and I think it is partically because ... as it has been said before ... he does have a tendency to muddy up his work a bit ... though recently I have noticed it appears he is getting much better ... or his inker is ... :D. After all of that ... the gap is closing in my oppinion; in part because Lee is having a lot of trouble meeting a deadline lately. I think he put out one book ... maybe two ... for all of 2006. The thing is why? We know he can meet a monthly schedule.

Okay ... that is a long winded explanation ... but there you have it ... lol.

[FIG]

Jim Lee is miles ahead of Marc Silvestri for numerous reasons but the most apparent ones are articulation of detail and solid backgrounds.

[KrisDiaz]

id have to agree with fig, jim lee is way better in my opinion i think he has better attention to detail and his shading is fantastic

[thebigone]

Lee, because Silvestri don't continuously do great books anymore, and Lee is doing All Star... !

[Victor-17]

Silvestri on Wolverine was pretty good!

I still want to vote for John Buscema!


:p

CW


man, i have silvestir's whole run on Wolverine. I loved his loose Buscema style on that. I hate that he tightened up over the years to match Lee.

Lee is technically fantastic, ilove his backgrounds and tech stuff,, but sometimes (and maybe this is Scott Williams), he loses some of the energy, and yes, he does repeat himself a lot. In the end, I agree, jim Lee will be remembered as more of an icon than Mark.

[ntholdenuk]

Man this poll was easy, although Marc is a quality artist there aint no one as good as Jim Lee. You may think that is my opinion but its a fact. just go to that chuck norris fact website and read all the facts replacing the words Chuck Norris with Jim Lee.

See my point is proved. It dont work if you do it with Marc Silvestri.
Hahahahahaha

[frazman]

The repertoire of things that Jim Lee can draw competently is much larger than most comic artists working today.

Honestly, I don't think I have seen anyone clearly "better" or more accomplished as an artist in comics at present. His style of rendering may not be as hip...for some reason, only in comics is it not enough to be an excellent artist but one is also expected to reinvent one's style every 5 years.

I don't think Jim Lee is quite Neal Adams or the late John Buscema but he is much younger than either of them. In time he may be.

[Popninja]

Honestly, I don't think I have seen anyone clearly "better" or more accomplished as an artist in comics at present. His style of rendering may not be as hip...for some reason, only in comics is it not enough to be an excellent artist but one is also expected to reinvent one's style every 5 years.

Careful, fraz. This is Penciljack, where it's not kewl to like Jim Lee if not for anything else BECAUSE he hasn't reinvented his style in years.

Speaking for myself, 20 years ago Silvestri was an art god to me. His skill has fallen off tremendously over the last several years for the simple fact that he just doesn't do enough comics work. Jim Lee, on the other hand, just gets better and better, IMO. Even on that lackluster Supes run he did with Azzarello, his work was incredibly good even though the story was incredibly boring.

As far as drawing things competently, though, Jim Lee still can't draw a decent dog or cat. I wonder what that's all about?;)

[Spaceghost]

Tough for me....I love both of their work but Jim Lee has got to come out on top.

If I were to close my eyes and picture Superman or Batman....I'd picture them in Lee's style everytime. I think someone said it earlier....it's "iconic".

I'd still love to see Silvestri on more than just a cover.

[frazman]

If I were to close my eyes and picture Superman or Batman....I'd picture them in Lee's style everytime. I think someone said it earlier....it's "iconic".


And that is how I feel about Neal Adams.

When I picture Superman or Batman, I immediately think of images drawn by Neal Adams.

When I think of Conan, I think of Frazetta, Buscema, or Windsor-Smith.

Lee owns the X-men though. I think the only other artist who had as great a run as Lee with that title was Adams and that is heady company to be in.

[Justice41]

That's Funny because I for some reason always see Curt Swan's Superman when I think of Supes. I picked Silvestri for one simple reason. He can tell a story with mood and depth, when he does do a complete story, but lee's stuff always looks like just pinups reduced enlarged and pasted together to make some sort of story. It never flows. Way back on Punisher and X-men it did but once he left the constraints of Marvel he just got all wacky with his story telling.
Silvestri has gotten like Joe Mad in that style has replaced substance. Still prefer Silvestri over Lee though.

[frazman]

As far as drawing things competently, though, Jim Lee still can't draw a decent dog or cat. I wonder what that's all about?

I know what you are saying and I think it is because in comics, especially when you are tying to do a monthly, you are always rushed.

Jim Lee has alot going on and may be working too quickly to give a prop like a dog or cat much attention.

I have been really disappointed in Death Dealer for that reason. Nat Jones is working on too many projects AND trying to do his own inking and the art in Death Dealer is paying for it.

[pencilboy916]

I met jim lee so it's lee for lee lol.

[pencilboy916]

lol my bad jim lee rock's lol..

[NickRocks]

When I picture Superman or Batman, I immediately think of images drawn by Neal Adams.

i picture mcguinness for supes and miller for batman.

anyways, i voted jimbo, simply because his con sketches are always FANTASTIC! i wish he would do a comic the way he does some of those sketches.

[sumdumguy]

I met Jim Lee way back when he founded image comics. Nice guy. So I have to say Jim Lee. That and I like most of his work. In fact hanging in my office are several special Jim Lee prints I got from the DC studio sale a few months back.

[frazman]

i picture mcguinness for supes and miller for batman.

anyways, i voted jimbo, simply because his con sketches are always FANTASTIC! i wish he would do a comic the way he does some of those sketches.

That is just a age gap there mate. :)

I like Miller's writing much more than his drawing but I will say that Dark Knight Returns is THE best comic/Graphic Novel I have ever read. I still get chills reading it. His art doesn't always transport me but it was perfect for DK and Sin City.

[notebookpress]

i gotta go with lee, maybe 10 years ago this wouldve been closer im not sure what the hell he didbut silvestri's stuff has just fallen off WAAAAAY too much for me

[BringerOfStorms]

I voted for Silvestri out of homage to him for the Australian Team X-Men run. Damn that sh_t was hot! Wicked awesome.
:lml-: :eek: :-lml:
~BoS

[SilverSkies]

jimlee is the best artist in the world..

[Deth]

No one pictures Dan Jurgens Superman? That was good art he brought out. I always picture Frank Millers Batman. cause its the first Batman story that I loved.
As for Jim Lee and Sylvestri I have to go with Jim Lee He's the reason I picked up a pencil and started drawing.

[Dri]

The poll is heavily favoring Jim Lee but each artist on their day would be a hard choice to pick. I'll go for Jim Lee because he counts as a major influence during my formative years and I can't seem to shake it off. I first picked up his work during his Uncanny stint when there was the Extinction Agenda crossover. At the time he drew the best versions of Wolverine and comic book females.

His take on backgrounds and hi tech stuff were better than Silvestri's. I only started collecting Silvestri's art during his Wolverine run in the 90s. He has a great sketch energy that I thought Dan Green brought out well.

I favored Silvestri over Lee during his run on Cyberforce when Chris Claremont was wrote a few issues. The colour and inks really suited his style.

Nowadays I prefer Lee's style. It may not deviate too much from the 15 years plus but his work is so easy too read and follow. Silvestri's work is really busy at times and I'm sure there are fans who prefer that.

Either way, they still deliver the goods. (When their books are published.)

[50%grey]

Thats a landslide victory for Jim haha

[lost-spartan]

Nowadays I prefer Lee's style. It may not deviate too much from the 15 years plus but his work is so easy too read and follow.

I would agree, for the most part I don't think he's wandered to far off the beaten path artwise from his original style, save for that period around '94-'95 when he was doing Deathblow. Man did his art go to total shit when he started drinking the Frank Miller kool-aid. Those first few issues he did before Sale took over where some of the shittiest looking pages I've seen from someone of his talent level. After that, I think he wised up, got back to his style and has since just been tweaking it here and there to get the most out of it.

[NickRocks]

i dont think the main reason for voting for one artist or the other should be "he draws more detailed" or whatever. i voted jim because like i said, his con sketches are awesome, and his stuff is more exciting when he draws fight scenes, IMO.

[Dri]

i dont think the main reason for voting for one artist or the other should be "he draws more detailed" or whatever.

I'm puzzled. How are people suppose to validate whether they like a person's work or not? I think people wrote what they like about Jim Lee over Silvestri. Lee draws very cool galactic fight scenes that I haven't seen Silvestri do. Why? On top of his action sequence he stages a convincing backdrop with high tech armory and space ships.

Change that to Liefeld's drawing of guns, tech and equipment and see how he fares in the polls. Lee has an eye for detail that sets him apart from others.

[Popninja]

i dont think the main reason for voting for one artist or the other should be "he draws more detailed" or whatever. i voted jim because like i said, his con sketches are awesome, and his stuff is more exciting when he draws fight scenes, IMO.

What's the difference between "he draws more detailed" and "his con sketches are awesome, and his stuff is more exciting when he draws fight scenes?" Those are both opinions. What makes one opinion more valid than another?

And anyway, this is Fanboys Unleashed. If I wanna say I like Jim Lee because he likes cheese and Silvestri doesn't*, then you just have to deal with it.

*I have no idea if Silvestri doesn't like cheese, or even if Jim Lee actually does, btw. Just saying, is all.

[Anim8r13]

I'm a huge fan of Jim Lee's work and will pick up pretty much anthing he's involved with. However, over the years I've always gone back to Silvestri for inspiration and he has always delivered. For mood and movement I think he's the best and for that he gets my vote.

[larq2525]

Jim is just technically better. I like them both, though.

[Highlander_77]

These guys are actually my two favorite artists...I'm always struggling with the question of which one I like better. I'd say that Jim Lee's stuff is a bit more polished, but sometimes that somewhat "raw" look is one of the best things about Silvestri's work. This is a really tough choice for me.


I might go with Jim Lee, only because he's been more productive in recent years than Silvestri, who doesn't draw enough anymore. :(

[RabidArt]

These guys are all newsprint guys. The only guy to be able to work well with the new coloring and papers was Toddy Mac.

Silvestri did some of the best interior X-men pages ever made. His cover's were 50/50. His Inferno series was the best and what got me into comic books.

Jim Lee did some great covers but just too pretty. I think Dan Green
added some really nice looseness to Silvestri's work but Scott Williams was the death of both these guys.

That guys inks suck ass. Only inker I can imagine better than Dan Green for Silvestri's work would be Klaus Janson. I do think he (Silvestri) lost something in his Wolverine Series. He's awesome at doing teams, but his Image days were his down fall. His faces look way to big in Image. When he kept everything condensed he rocked.

Lee in Wildcats was okay. Though these characters were all X-men clones. And don't get me started in Portacio.

Silvestri during his Uncanny X-men all the way.

[Wade8813]

I'll admit, I'm not nearly the art fanatic most of you are. I care more about the story. The same is true for video games, movies, etc. I appreciate good graphics, but I care about the gameplay, the action, the characters. The graphics are extra. There are times that the art is truly impressive, and there are other times it takes away from whatever I'm looking at, but it's always less important.

Caveats aside, Jim Lee's Batman and Superman work is the best comic book artwork I can think of.

[spidey976]

... but Scott Williams was the death of both these guys. That guys inks suck ass. ...

Welll Rabid ... Welcome to PJ ... and you have an interesting oppinion here. I think that you will have a few guys agree with you ... but the majority of the people I have EVER talked to about Scott Williams think he is the BEST inker in comics ... or at least one of the best.

Again ... welcome to PJ

[Victor-17]

No Way, Scott Williams is one of the best inkers. He is a perfect compliment to Jim Lee, who uses a very tight drawing style with lots of technical details. He may not be the best inker for, say, Jae Lee or Texeira, but his work on both Lee, Silvestri, and Portacio is incredible.

[ThomasV]

I like both of them but I like Marcs art more.

[Archerion]

I would say Marc, Jim lee was great in his hay day but, his art is very 90s.

[makoi]

Jim Lee all day.

Jim inspired a generation of artists. His art style got diluted because of all the imitators that sprung following his success.

[Vivat_Rex]

How about posting some pics?
Some sequentials to compare?
My memories of Jim Lee was from his X-men work and the X-men clone, W.I.L.D. C.A.T.S. (I may have missed a period). He had one face for men (more or less), one body for women (big boobs, big butt) and highly textured backgrounds. Silvestri had the same, but I liked his Wolverine.
Hard to choose.

[BringerOfStorms]

How about posting some pics?
Some sequentials to compare?
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/BringerOfStorms/SilvestriLeeSidebyside.jpg
Just a small sample... but...
~BoS

[notebookpress]

how bout some examples of their current work? both have gotten worse imo but silvestri is not even in jim's league any more he is a wretched shell of his former self

[dfbovey]

I think Jim Lee has stayed about the same (if not improved slightly) while Silvestri has definitely become more sloppy.

The only work I've seen from Lee that I thought was lacking, was Divine Right. It was like he was trying to mimic J Scott Campbell on that series.

[BringerOfStorms]

how bout some examples of their current work? both have gotten worse imo but silvestri is not even in jim's league any more he is a wretched shell of his former self
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/BringerOfStorms/LeeSilvestri.jpg
Modern Lee wins hands down.
~BoS

[sdowner]

I've not been around enough to really familiarize myself with either– I've seen Jim's work in Batman and that's about it– but from the art comparisons here? Jim Lee, easily. That double-page spread is a shining moment.

[airbrushartist]

Still like Silvestri over Lee. Lee still can't tell a story outside of violence and posing.

[Popninja]

Still like Silvestri over Lee. Lee still can't tell a story outside of violence and posing.

Aha... You never read his Superman stint with Azzarello. Lots of storytelling "outside of violence and posing." And it's good storytelling, too. Unfortunately, the story is boooooooh-RING.

Current Jim Lee destroys current Silvestri, but 20 years ago, Silvestri was on par, if not better than Lee.

[dfbovey]

That last Xmen page looks more like Michael Turner to me.

[Paulo_P]

Current Jim Lee destroys current Silvestri, but 20 years ago, Silvestri was on par, if not better than Lee.

I also like classic Silvestri, though he's always kind of struck me as a bit sketchy. I don't care for current Silvestri at all.

Lee was solid on UXM, lost it somewhat on Adjectiveless, lost it even more on WildCATS. Glad to see he's regained his form, though I have no interest in what he's currently doing.

[DevinC]

That last Xmen page looks more like Michael Turner to me.
I think that today, Silvestri almost looks like a cross between Lee and Turner. I'm not (in my opinion) saying thats a bad thing, as I really like both those artits.

However, I voted for Lee because his work on Hush was amazing.

[airbrushartist]

Aha... You never read his Superman stint with Azzarello. Lots of storytelling "outside of violence and posing." And it's good storytelling, too. Unfortunately, the story is boooooooh-RING.

Current Jim Lee destroys current Silvestri, but 20 years ago, Silvestri was on par, if not better than Lee.

The storytelling was still just poses. Oh and boring as hell.

[Craig DeBoard]

Erik Larsen.

[BringerOfStorms]

Erik Larsen.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/BringerOfStorms/puke.gif

[Highlander_77]

Oh God, this is a tough choice. We're talking about my two favorite artists here.

I voted for Silvestri (though if I had read this thread tommorow, my vote could easily sway the other way), simply due to the fact that I find Silvestri's work to be slightly more "energetic" and, when he's at his best, his rendering style is just amazing.

Oddly enough, I think Lee is technically better than Silvestri. But I think that sometimes the fact that Silvestri's work isn't so technically perfect and neat & clean is why I find it a bit more visually appealing.

I keep going back to this cover he drew for one of the X-Men books a few years back (actually, I believe he drew the whole book, not just the cover)...something about it just amazes me every time I look at it. The facial expression, the rendering on the arm...just awesome.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n148/Highlander_77/Marc%20Silvestri%20Art/2.jpg

[Kaligula]

Jim's a more prolific artist these days, and of course I'm a huge fan of both, but I'd have to say that Silvestri is a stronger draftsman than Jim is.

[eugene]

but I'd have to say that Silvestri is a stronger draftsman than Jim is.

Clearly you have been deeping in my stash of green, becuase there is no way Silvestri is a better draftsmen then jim. The Hush run shows that homie

[NickRocks]

Jim Lee wins for ASBAR

[CrazyDiamond]

I think Marc Silvestri is a hack so I voted Jim Lee.

[hellblazer72]

i voted for silvestri and i want a recount... i think lee paid all of you off :) actually it was tough because i liked both alot back in the day... i think silvestri's art especially back when he was on x-men and wolverine had more energy to it... i'd like to see lee cut loose and ink his own pencils, he does some cool european stuff when he inks...

[airbrushartist]

Outside of Lee's Deathblow he can't do anything atmospheric. Everything he draws is too tight, too refined, too dull.
I still Prefer Silvestri. No matter what Lee draws it's all too clinical. Silvestri can draw any genre and make it look authentic. Lee can only draw the few poses he always relies on. I'd like to see Silvestri and Lee draw Conan or a Western. Silvestri would Smoke Lee.

[g0b1in]

Jim Lee's work on Uncanny X-Men remains my favorite of all comic art, hands down. Uncanny X-Men 268 through his run on X-tinction Agenda has never been topped in my opinion. His work then, when he was younger, was much more malleable than it is today and I'm sure he'd have been able to pull off a Western. His Conan covers from back in the day were actually really good.

I'm not as much of a fan of his work on the second X-Men title, although I ate it up as a child. The "cleanness" many of us dislike began manifesting itself there.

His Batman run was really good. But Uncanny was uncanny, especially for the time.

[50%grey]

Silvestri is the strangest person to watch draw. He just finds one point on a page and starts to draw out from it.
He might start with a toenail for example,and everything will just evolve out of that lol.

Silvestri is the better artist of the two,BUT Jim draws a better comic. That is probly why Jim had more fans in the 90's.

[airbrushartist]

Maybe so Maybe not. I think if Silvestri was doing what he was doing on Wolverine before Lee he would have been the Million dollah kid. Timing is everything. McFarlane, Liefeld, Lee, Silvestri. In that order. Reverse it and I believe Toddy Mac would be the Silvestri of the Bunch.
Jim lee along with Scott Williams have become to me Generic. I hate to say it but it's like looking at Byrne when he reverted to that skinny body style he still does. It was alright but it doesn't blow my skirts up.
I really think Lee would have benefitted from another inker. Williams is overpowering his stuff like Townsend does. I sometimes believe Lee over renders just to keep Williams employed. Look back at John Buscema. he would just do layouts and let the embellishers go to town. His own inked art was far different than his work when inked by guys like Alcala and Dezuniga or Chan or Redondo etc. But his own inked stuff was great as is Lee's self inked stuff. But as soon as Williams applies his trademarked quill nibs it becomes dead lines to my eye's. It really started after Lee's little experiment emulating Scott Campbell's style on Gen-13. It's like he got tainted by JS Campbell's stuff and it hasn't gone away. Also Williams inks changed at the same time. Look at how they both worked on WildCats and how they looked on G-13 and That silly book Divine Right. Totally a mix of JS Campbell and Lee and Garner and Williams. I don't like it that much and I still don't like Lee's storytelling. It's been dulled down way too much. His X-men stuff was fantastic as was his Punisher stuff. Maybe it's just bad editing or lame stories but Nothing he's doing now is worth my money or even a looksee. But I'm always fascinated by Silvestri's pencils and the resulting Inks. Then again I believe Silvestri is Just a newer Version of Big John Buscema.

[spidey976]

I think Lee on Hush ... was amazing ... I think Lee on ASBAR and Superman For Tomorrow ... was/is a bit flat. Honestly ... I think he isn't drawing enough lately ... at least maybe not enough sequentials.

I still think he pulls it out over Silvestri ... for the entire body of his work. I do have to agree that I think both Lee and Silvestri will be remembered in the same breath as Buscema and Romita. Time will be the true judge.

[Popninja]

I can't believe The Artist Formerly Known as Justice41 called Silvestri a newer version of John Buscema. He may have been destined for greatness 20+ years ago, but Silvestri isn't anywhere near where he was 20+ years ago. He does some cool covers, but he hasn't done any solid* comic work in quite some time.




*solid meaning good

[airbrushartist]

Opinions aren't facts Pop.

[spidey976]

Opinions aren't facts Pop.

Dude we are all guilty of that from time to time ... it is like a glass house shooting gallery around here.

[I'mAWheel]

Marc by far, and I think it's a real shame that he's losing. His '80s work on X-Men with Dan Green on inks displayed an absolute mastery of everything about comics, from expressive linework to outstanding facial expressions to great storytelling. Can't say I like his more stylized stuff these days (assuming he even draws it himself, that is), and I've never thought Lee was much to write home about. GRIMACE! TEETH! RARRR! CAT NOISES!

[hellblazer72]

silvestri needs to do a highprofile project...he's done 4 issues of x-men with morrison and then a couple of one shots for marvel but nothing big like lee has done with hush or even asbr... through this debate between silvestri and lee, i have realized that the early nineties was a great time to be an x-men fan...lee on uncanny , silvestri on wolverine and portacio on x-factor..then lee on x-men, silvestri on wolverine(still lol), portacio on uncanny, stroman on x-factor and davis back on excalibur...great times...

[spidey976]

silvestri needs to do a highprofile project...he's done 4 issues of x-men with morrison and then a couple of one shots for marvel but nothing big like lee has done with hush or even asbr... through this debate between silvestri and lee, i have realized that the early nineties was a great time to be an x-men fan...lee on uncanny , silvestri on wolverine and portacio on x-factor..then lee on x-men, silvestri on wolverine(still lol), portacio on uncanny, stroman on x-factor and davis back on excalibur...great times...

Oh hell yeah ... that was one heck of a run for artists ... I remember just drooling over all the wonderful artwork.

[hellblazer72]

thinking back to those books, i wish they would have waited a few more years to start up image :)

[mana-boozy]

well lee is the artist that inspires me alot. i pick up anything of his at the shop.

love his trinity covers, and his work on xmen and batman are just fantastic.

silvestri is good, but i feel he lost touch of his style when he made a comeback on the xmen titles a few years back.

lee for me.

shame he's not doing alot of sequentials atm, but thats understandable cause he's putting in work on the new dc online game.

which of course is gonna b awesome!

[airbrushartist]

I can't believe The Artist Formerly Known as Justice41 called Silvestri a newer version of John Buscema. He may have been destined for greatness 20+ years ago, but Silvestri isn't anywhere near where he was 20+ years ago. He does some cool covers, but he hasn't done any solid* comic work in quite some time.




*solid meaning good

No by that I mean his art always reminded me of Buscema especially when he was doing Wolverine and his early run on Cyberforce.

[AlexT17]

Lee has to be my choice. For some reason, Silvestri reminds me too much of Michael Turner, and anything that reminds me of Turner is not good. Every time I look at Marc's work I start to feel sad cause I think of Turner.

[Wild&Uncouth]

Hmm, Rim Ree Or Marc Sirvestri?

[blue1]

im always a fan of jim lee's artwork. i actually just caught a glimpse at his work on MAYHEM! by tyrese gibson, mike le and will wilson and tone rodriguez, it looked really great, especially since jim lee can really bring out the bold qualities of the character in his art. my vote's for jim. and of course, i have both his superman and batman posters hanging from my bedroom wall.

[Popninja]

im always a fan of jim lee's artwork. i actually just caught a glimpse at his work on MAYHEM! by tyrese gibson, mike le and will wilson and tone rodriguez, it looked really great, especially since jim lee can really bring out the bold qualities of the character in his art. my vote's for jim. and of course, i have both his superman and batman posters hanging from my bedroom wall.

Ah geez... Now he's doing work on MAYHEM! too?! Come on, Jim! All Star Batman and Robin!! ALL STAR BATMAN AND FRIGGIN' ROBIN!!! Wildcats with Grant Morrison?!

[OpticNerve]

While both are great artists, especially back in their old exciting Marvel days, Jim Lee made a bigger impact on me and is the sole reason why I loved comics when I was younger. His work on Uncanny X-Men was just awe-inspiring and I tried to ape his style every chance I had as a kid.

Truth be told, I don't really like his current artwork as much as his older stuff and I personally do feel that he lost something when he moved from Uncanny X-Men to X-Men and then to Wildcats. But that doesn't really change how influential he was to me as a kid, so I pick Jimbo.

[NickRocks]

Ah geez... Now he's doing work on MAYHEM! too?! Come on, Jim! All Star Batman and Robin!! ALL STAR BATMAN AND FRIGGIN' ROBIN!!! Wildcats with Grant Morrison?!

seriously....WTF. and i want to know what frank is doing that this isnt getting done either. ANSWERS NEED TO COME FROM SOMEONE, THIS IS BULLSHIT.

[Popninja]

seriously....WTF. and i want to know what frank is doing that this isnt getting done either. ANSWERS NEED TO COME FROM SOMEONE, THIS IS BULLSHIT.

Wanna know some more "seriously....WTF?" My wife bought the Daughtry CD today and she showed me the liner notes because she saw comic art in it. Turns out Jim Lee did art for the Daughtry CD, too!!

Seriously....WTF?!

[N.O.D.]

I thought I'd be happy with Lee doing anything other than Batman, but even I have to draw the line at album art for Chris Daughtry...really?

Contributing to a Daughtry album is even worse than buying one, which, based on my personal wikipedia, is a war crime.

[Chris Major]

Money talks, even for Jim Lee.

[jeremy dale]

I thought I'd be happy with Lee doing anything other than Batman, but even I have to draw the line at album art for Chris Daughtry...really?

Contributing to a Daughtry album is even worse than buying one, which, based on my personal wikipedia, is a war crime.

Chris Daughtry is a huge comic fan. Nice guy, too. I'm not surprised at all that Jim did album art for him. Not everything is aimed at you, kids.

[Popninja]

Chris Daughtry is a huge comic fan. Nice guy, too. I'm not surprised at all that Jim did album art for him. Not everything is aimed at you, kids.

I was surprised, only because I had no idea he had done it. He had never posted about it on any of his pages.

It does make you wonder how much of this delay on ASBAR is because of Miller.

[Chris Major]

I never thought Miller was really the heart of the problem. Some of it, sure, but Lee's had serious deadline issues for years now, probably ever since Wildstorm was bought by DC and he was made Editorial Director of the line (...like, "what? Why?" I thought)

[Popninja]

But why would you do art for everything else BUT the project that everyone is waiting for you to do?

[spidey976]

But why would you do art for everything else BUT the project that everyone is waiting for you to do?

m8 ... I am sorry to say it ... but ASBAR is the one that got away. The pairing of two of the most influential individuals to EVER work on a Batman book. This damn thing should have been magic. The writer/artist who brought possibley THE BEST Batman story to light, The Dark Knight Returns (I SWARE I will negative rep you till red is coming out your arse if you say "DK2" Nick ... joke ... ;)), and the artist who has basically changed how many artist draw the Batman in modern time, not to mention the largest selling artist of all time (at least I think he still holds the title).

This should have been golden ... but four years later we have what ... 9 issues really ... 10 if you count the recall. They haven't even gotten an issue out this year. Lee and Miller have dropped the ball big time. I will get the final 6 issues ... just so I can see pretty Jim Lee art ... BUT .. in the end the dream team ... well they just sucked.

[Popninja]

m8 ... I am sorry to say it ... but ASBAR is the one that got away. The pairing of two of the most influential individuals to EVER work on a Batman book. This damn thing should have been magic. The writer/artist who brought possibley THE BEST Batman story to light, The Dark Knight Returns (I SWARE I will negative rep you till red is coming out your arse if you say "DK2" Nick ... joke ... ;)), and the artist who has basically changed how many artist draw the Batman in modern time, not to mention the largest selling artist of all time (at least I think he still holds the title).

This should have been golden ... but four years later we have what ... 9 issues really ... 10 if you count the recall. They haven't even gotten an issue out this year. Lee and Miller have dropped the ball big time. I will get the final 6 issues ... just so I can see pretty Jim Lee art ... BUT .. in the end the dream cream ... well they just sucked.

Sad but all too true.

I think it's been a year since #10 came out actually. They did re-release the corrected version of #10.

[spidey976]

Yeah ... almost a year ... and that was a bulls&^t publicity thing. No one can tell me that not a single guy pulled ONE book off the line to double check the print, and didn't go ... OH CRAP. DC knew the book was flagging in interest. Hell they probably knew it would be the last book for awhile and they wanted to milk it for all of the free publicity they could. Also, from what I have read this title is now like a peria (sp?) in the DC world. Other creators are getting sick of it's hype and the amount of money that goes into soliciting it, advertising it, and then it never happens. They feel the money would be better spent on something that will eventually see the light of day.

Personally ... I think if the story is already done they should just turn the whole thing over to Ed Benes to finish it out. His stuff on Batman 687 was fan flippintastic. ... AND ... it met the deadline.

Here is a link to his site with alll of the pages

http://www.edbenesart.com/Bat687.html

[airbrushartist]

The art on That Jim lee Miller Book was horrible. Then again I haven't liked anything he's done since he sold out to DC.

[spidey976]

I liked some of it ... but there were certain pages where I went ... crap ... you have to be kidding me. Whole pages blacked out with just say Dick Grayson's face in the frame. My mind went ... I waited MONTHS for this. It was a horrible waste of space, time, and money on my part.

[Erick Cruz]

I never thought Miller was really the heart of the problem. Some of it, sure, but Lee's had serious deadline issues for years now, probably ever since Wildstorm was bought by DC and he was made Editorial Director of the line (...like, "what? Why?" I thought)

All of Lee's Batman: Hush and Superman issues came out on time. The Batman run was on a bet (which was for $1 dollar) that he couldnt do it.

[airbrushartist]

I liked some of it ... but there were certain pages where I went ... crap ... you have to be kidding me. Whole pages blacked out with just say Dick Grayson's face in the frame. My mind went ... I waited MONTHS for this. It was a horrible waste of space, time, and money on my part.

I don't know how Lee justifies drawing almost all faces so you can see them in profile if the character is almost complete turn around. I looks weird. Reminds me of the Carmine Infantino Batman page we love to laugh at.

[Ratcrack]

Went with Jim Lee. His "Uncanny X-Men" run is probably his best work IMO. I'm actually thinking about buying that entire set of issues, because the ones I have are so raggedy. The work he did on "X-Men #1-#11" was good, but not as good as "Uncanny". Strange.

[Popninja]

Went with Jim Lee. His "Uncanny X-Men" run is probably his best work IMO. I'm actually thinking about buying that entire set of issues, because the ones I have are so raggedy. The work he did on "X-Men #1-#11" was good, but not as good as "Uncanny". Strange.

Nothing strange about it at all, actually. He was already working on Image stuff while he was working on adjective-less. You could tell his heart was elsewhere around #7.

[NickRocks]

m8 ... I am sorry to say it ... but ASBAR is the one that got away. The pairing of two of the most influential individuals to EVER work on a Batman book. This damn thing should have been magic. The writer/artist who brought possibley THE BEST Batman story to light, The Dark Knight Returns (I SWARE I will negative rep you till red is coming out your arse if you say "DK2" Nick ... joke ... ;)), and the artist who has basically changed how many artist draw the Batman in modern time, not to mention the largest selling artist of all time (at least I think he still holds the title).

This should have been golden ... but four years later we have what ... 9 issues really ... 10 if you count the recall. They haven't even gotten an issue out this year. Lee and Miller have dropped the ball big time. I will get the final 6 issues ... just so I can see pretty Jim Lee art ... BUT .. in the end the dream team ... well they just sucked.

DK2 IS the best batman story ever.

i really want to know the cause for these delays. until either one of them steps up and gives a lengthy interview (both at the same time would be ideal) explaining what the hell happened, they are both equally to blame. hell, everyones equally to blame on that book.

as for ASBAR being a failure, it is far from it. volume 1 is still a great re-look at batman getting his robin.


I think it's been a year since #10 came out actually. They did re-release the corrected version of #10.

this month makes it a year if im not mistaken. 11 was originally solicited for november 24th.


Yeah ... almost a year ... and that was a bulls&^t publicity thing. No one can tell me that not a single guy pulled ONE book off the line to double check the print, and didn't go ... OH CRAP. DC knew the book was flagging in interest. Hell they probably knew it would be the last book for awhile and they wanted to milk it for all of the free publicity they could. Also, from what I have read this title is now like a peria (sp?) in the DC world. Other creators are getting sick of it's hype and the amount of money that goes into soliciting it, advertising it, and then it never happens. They feel the money would be better spent on something that will eventually see the light of day.

Personally ... I think if the story is already done they should just turn the whole thing over to Ed Benes to finish it out. His stuff on Batman 687 was fan flippintastic. ... AND ... it met the deadline.

Here is a link to his site with alll of the pages

http://www.edbenesart.com/Bat687.html

ed benes sucks.


The art on That Jim lee Miller Book was horrible.

*sigh*

[Popninja]

ed benes sucks.

I don't think he sucks, but he's no replacement for Jim Lee.

[NickRocks]

eh ive never enjoyed his art. wasnt he immediately on superman after lee did for tomorrow? it was an awful transition, IMO.

[kubankin]

I like both their styles and i loved Lee's work on HUSH and all star Batman-Robin but i like Silvestri still.
I bought his art of book recently and i have to say he's great at what he does.
either way for me it's a close call

[Hanzou]

Jim Lee.

Uncanny X-Men 272-277 floored me in 1990, and it still floors me 19 years later.

[Flairbrusher]

AHEM...ROB...LIEFELD. :lml-: :-lml:

[Voider]

Don't really get the appeal of modern Jim Lee art, his stuff is so cookie-cutter, Lee doesn't seem to put any emotion and creativity in his pages or pinups, everything looks so bland and uncharismatic to me, he is smart though as he hides his errors in the strong draftmanship. My favorite work from Jim Lee are the issues 1, 2 and 3 of the X-MEN, I think the flat coloring and the fact that he hadn't yet been influenced by J. Scott Campbell back then, makes this work the best stuff he ever did in my opinion.

The thing is, if you check Jim Lee's work without the rose-tinted glasses... it's pretty ugly, Liefeld ugly:

http://gallery.xcave.net/images/comics/dc/powergirl/PowerGirl_JimLee2006.jpg

If I posted this sketch with the signature hidden I don't think it would get much praise. Sure it's a "sketch" but his final works aren't that better either.

Silvestri, I haven't check any recent works but from the past pages and covers that I've seen he's pretty decent and honest, he doesn't try to hide what his artwork is about, for better or for worse.
His draftmanship is really weak though, tons of rough lines, uninspired designs and uses background assistances.

My vote still goes to Silvestri, the tie breaker was the fact he isn't colored by Alex Sinclair, if Alex is color blind then he has an excuse for the lack of any basic knowledge of color and butt ugly color theory or lack of.

**waits on the bad rep for not praising Jim Lee**

[Popninja]

The thing is, if you check Jim Lee's work without the rose-tinted glasses... it's pretty ugly, Liefeld ugly:

http://gallery.xcave.net/images/comics/dc/powergirl/PowerGirl_JimLee2006.jpg

There aren't any "rose tinted glasses" being worn by me when I look at Jim Lee's work. Nothing about that sketch seems ugly to me; certainly not "Liefeld ugly." Maybe you shouldn't be concerned with others and their so called "rose tinted glasses" and instead concern yourself with actual prescription lenses. Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee are like Uwe Boll and James Cameron. Britney Spears and Mary J. Blige. They do the same thing, but are hardly anywhere near the same league.

[Erick Cruz]

I dont think it's fair to compare someones con sketches (even one as detailed as Jim's posted above) to ones finished ready to print work, primarily because of the time factor; you cant spend hours upon hours planning and correcting all of the errors, sketches are go with the flow type stuff and if it comes out looking as good as the one posted above i dont think anyone would complain.

[frazman]

I dont think it's fair to compare someones con sketches (even one as detailed as Jim's posted above) to ones finished ready to print work, primarily because of the time factor; you cant spend hours upon hours planning and correcting all of the errors, sketches are go with the flow type stuff and if it comes out looking as good as the one posted above i dont think anyone would complain.

Agreed. While the sketch isn't nearly what you would expect from Lee, it wasn't done with normal professional expectations in mind.

Even then, while the figure work is average at best, the space-scape background is very interesting.

[dfbovey]

Sorry, but you need your head checked if you think that drawing is "Liefeld bad"

http://progressiveboink.com/b/images/rob/liefeldgirl1.gif

[Wolverine_nl]

Lee is timeless
Silvestri is 90's look.