How Spiderman3 could have been Better.

[Teratophile]

(if this doesnt qualify as a fanboy Unleashed thread thats fine...)

This is my stupid fanboy opinion...

I would have kept the entire opening: excluding the sandman. Keep the Harry and peter fight as is. At the end of the fight keep Harry with his memories, but be totally aware that peter saved his life.

Keep the Eddie Brock parts for the most part. Make him more aggressive. More desperate for fame,

I would have kept the symbiotic coming from space thing, but have it attached to Jameson’s sons ship or something similar. I would have attached the symbiote to peter immediately. I would show peter performing feats of strength he couldn’t have done before. Him using the suits powers to lift bus’s with one hand stuff like that. I’d put more emphasis on peters personality change. Almost comparing the suit to steroids.

I’d keep the curt conners studying the symbiote. Accidentally finding that alien lurches away form fire. And it ripples and seems to sound emissions coming from a pitchfork. Stuff like that.

I’d keep the Gwen Stacy parts. I’d keep strife between Mary Jane and peter parts. I’d keep the Harry fighting peter on an emotional level part. Keep the humiliating and firing of Eddie Brock. I’d have Eddie stalk peter from that point on.

The second fight with Harry should have been more longer drawn out and totally one sided. Peter beating the ever loving snot out of Harry. During the fight pete is almost frothing at the mouth. The suit making him nuts.

Keep the emo peter stuff. Keep the making Mary Jane jealous part…and the part where he goes over board hits her, but I’d show him Angier, and give the impression that peter almost kills those bouncers.

I’d have the Church redemption scene after that. Where peter realizes he’s gone too far. I'd have Eddie there; stalking him all along. Growing Angier. When the symbiote attaches itself to Eddie you are able to see flashes through the perspective of the symboite…giving an indication that Eddie sees what it has seen.

After that it’s ALL venom.

I’d have Eddie Brock show up at peters front door, peter confused and apologetic. Have Eddie talk to peter almost calmly at first, explaining to him how he ruined his life…and explaining to him he knows everything about peter and how he was going to systematically going to take him apart. As Eddie talks the symboite starts slithering from eddies eyes and pores. Then I’d have venom emerge and partially transform from eddies clothing… and beat peter within an inch of his life. I’d show how powerless peter is against venom and how the spider sense doesn’t work on it. Then I’d end the fight with Eddie telling peter he wasn’t going to kill him and he was going to make him suffer.

I’d have peter visit aunt may soon after, only to see Eddie sitting on her couch drinking tea. I'd have her explain that such a nice boy Eddie was, and how he helped her home with her groceries and how Eddie explained he was Pete’s old friend. This enrages peter but he needs to hide it in front of aunt may. I’d have peter calmly get Eddie to leave aunt May’s…and Eddie explain that he can get to him any time and anywhere. Another fight ensues. I’d have peter barely escape and ask Harry for help. Harry tells him to go F himself.

He goes to Curt Connors to find out more about the symbiote. Connors gives him sort of a biological overview and what seems to hurt it and how it needs to survive and shit.

I’d change that whole butler/Harry bullshit. Instead I’d have Harry find a blackbox in the old goblins glider. It has audio and video of his father’s stint as the goblin and the cause of his father’s death.

The final battle…venom gets Gwen, and Mary Jane and it’s all over the news. The fight ensues, peter is beaten yet again, maybe breaks and arm. Venom is about to consume peters head when Harry comes for an EPIC three-way fight, (SOMEWHERE I’d put the “we are venom” line damnit). Eventually venom is injured from the gliders flame and bombs. I’d have venom eventually smash the snowboard glider. Peter does that shit with the sound waves. Eddie is ripped naked from the suit and they incinerate the symbiote incendiary bombs.

Eddie escapes somehow during the destruction of the symbiote. Everything wraps up nicely.

I’d end it with a police radio scan…and peter answering it. It’s a bank robbery. Peter shows up cracks a joke at the robber who turns around slowly. He’s in a yellow and black costume. It’s the shocker. He lifts his fist towards peter and blasts him towards the screen. Then the credits roll.

[Huerta]

Take out Sandman, MAke Brock Jr. the main badguy, make it Rated R (because its venom) and thats it.

[Phatman]

1) Why not make John Jameson become Venom? He certainly had the motive to hate Peter Parker for M.J. leaving him at the alter. he could have had the thing attach itself to him in space, and so on and so forth. Could have brought JJJ into the mix more as well-especially if his son is trying to kill Spidey.

2) End with Spiderman doing something-the endings of the other two flicks always went out with a cool swinging away shot.

3) The extra part of the simbiote that Conners still has was a perfect lead in at the end for the next movie-just like Harry finding his father's Goblin stuff at the end of two. Foreshadowing of the Lizard.

[KRAZYRICKY1]

(if this doesnt qualify as a fanboy Unleashed thread thats fine...)

This is my stupid fanboy opinion...

I would have kept the entire opening: excluding the sandman. Keep the Harry and peter fight as is. At the end of the fight keep Harry with his memories, but be totally aware that peter saved his life.

Keep the Eddie Brock parts for the most part. Make him more aggressive. More desperate for fame,

I would have kept the symbiotic coming from space thing, but have it attached to Jameson’s sons ship or something similar. I would have attached the symbiote to peter immediately. I would show peter performing feats of strength he couldn’t have done before. Him using the suits powers to lift bus’s with one hand stuff like that. I’d put more emphasis on peters personality change. Almost comparing the suit to steroids.

I’d keep the curt conners studying the symbiote. Accidentally finding that alien lurches away form fire. And it ripples and seems to sound emissions coming from a pitchfork. Stuff like that.

I’d keep the Gwen Stacy parts. I’d keep strife between Mary Jane and peter parts. I’d keep the Harry fighting peter on an emotional level part. Keep the humiliating and firing of Eddie Brock. I’d have Eddie stalk peter from that point on.

The second fight with Harry should have been more longer drawn out and totally one sided. Peter beating the ever loving snot out of Harry. During the fight pete is almost frothing at the mouth. The suit making him nuts.

Keep the emo peter stuff. Keep the making Mary Jane jealous part…and the part where he goes over board hits her, but I’d show him Angier, and give the impression that peter almost kills those bouncers.

I’d have the Church redemption scene after that. Where peter realizes he’s gone too far. I'd have Eddie there; stalking him all along. Growing Angier. When the symbiote attaches itself to Eddie you are able to see flashes through the perspective of the symboite…giving an indication that Eddie sees what it has seen.

After that it’s ALL venom.

I’d have Eddie Brock show up at peters front door, peter confused and apologetic. Have Eddie talk to peter almost calmly at first, explaining to him how he ruined his life…and explaining to him he knows everything about peter and how he was going to systematically going to take him apart. As Eddie talks the symboite starts slithering from eddies eyes and pores. Then I’d have venom emerge and partially transform from eddies clothing… and beat peter within an inch of his life. I’d show how powerless peter is against venom and how the spider sense doesn’t work on it. Then I’d end the fight with Eddie telling peter he wasn’t going to kill him and he was going to make him suffer.

I’d have peter visit aunt may soon after, only to see Eddie sitting on her couch drinking tea. I'd have her explain that such a nice boy Eddie was, and how he helped her home with her groceries and how Eddie explained he was Pete’s old friend. This enrages peter but he needs to hide it in front of aunt may. I’d have peter calmly get Eddie to leave aunt May’s…and Eddie explain that he can get to him any time and anywhere. Another fight ensues. I’d have peter barely escape and ask Harry for help. Harry tells him to go F himself.

He goes to Curt Connors to find out more about the symbiote. Connors gives him sort of a biological overview and what seems to hurt it and how it needs to survive and shit.

I’d change that whole butler/Harry bullshit. Instead I’d have Harry find a blackbox in the old goblins glider. It has audio and video of his father’s stint as the goblin and the cause of his father’s death.

The final battle…venom gets Gwen, and Mary Jane and it’s all over the news. The fight ensues, peter is beaten yet again, maybe breaks and arm. Venom is about to consume peters head when Harry comes for an EPIC three-way fight, (SOMEWHERE I’d put the “we are venom” line damnit). Eventually venom is injured from the gliders flame and bombs. I’d have venom eventually smash the snowboard glider. Peter does that shit with the sound waves. Eddie is ripped naked from the suit and they incinerate the symbiote incendiary bombs.

Eddie escapes somehow during the destruction of the symbiote. Everything wraps up nicely.

I’d end it with a police radio scan…and peter answering it. It’s a bank robbery. Peter shows up cracks a joke at the robber who turns around slowly. He’s in a yellow and black costume. It’s the shocker. He lifts his fist towards peter and blasts him towards the screen. Then the credits roll.

I liked your take of it until the part with the shocker

[xadrian]

1) Why not make John Jameson become Venom?

Why not make Scott Summers Wolverine, or Johnny Storm the Mole Man.

Because John Jameson becomes a different villain later on, Eddie Brock IS Venom.

[Teratophile]

I liked your take of it until the part with the shocker

first, i cant believe you actually read it.

second...i guess i'd like to see a villain that never should get more then two seconds of screen time. just to stick it in there somewhere for shits and giggles.

[Sketch Master Skillz]

I do like CadaverSodomy's take on it, especially learning about how the venom reacts to sound and the "we are Venom" part. Except I would have left one of the two eddie brock peter parker fights out, it seems a little much.

Shocker part i would like too, but like the next day after Parker and MJ make up, and it happens like when they're dancing or something.

I dunno if "Take gwen stacy" meant kill her or just kidnap, but i wouldn't kill her in this one, and I would have left the sandman and venom duo. Oh, and good idea with showing the remaing connors venom stuff, let that bit get away and combine with Eddie(who's still alive).

Yeah, i still loved the movie but it could have been better.

[charkxl]

I would've made the sandman research accident a part of Osborne industries 'human research' division. And I would left out the SandmanUncle Ben storyline. I just reckon evrything should've tied in with osborne industries somehow, like how doc ock was funded by them in part 2, it should be the same for sandman and maybe even venom. like, the symbiote was part of a osborne funded experiment on some meteors that had crashed to earth some time before the movie takes place. and it escapes and finds peter when he treis to talk to harry or something.. u know? anything better than a random meteor landing.

[Dri]

I would've made the sandman research accident a part of Osborne industries 'human research' division. And I would left out the SandmanUncle Ben storyline. I just reckon evrything should've tied in with osborne industries somehow, like how doc ock was funded by them in part 2, it should be the same for sandman and maybe even venom. like, the symbiote was part of a osborne funded experiment on some meteors that had crashed to earth some time before the movie takes place. and it escapes and finds peter when he treis to talk to harry or something.. u know? anything better than a random meteor landing.

I thought Superman was going to emerge from the meteor rock.

[Grafighte]

I liked the entire movie, and I'm and avid Spidey fan. The only thing I wish could have been better was that I wish that Venom ad more screen time. They did him some good justice.

[Teratophile]

sandman should had formed himself over spidey...trying to sufficate him. then all of a sudden you see weblines blasting out of sandmans body hitting a moving car and spidey ripping out.

[WillTurner]

*SPOILERS*

The problem was Venom- don't get me wrong, awesome villain, well realised and in some great setpieces.

However, it seemed Raimi was stuck between the more emotionally engaging Sandman storyline and the more simplistic Venom revenge.

In my opinion, it would have been better had it been one or the other- keep it simple, kill off Harry earlier and make that feed into the "darker" Spiderman who then rejects it, only for Eddie to take the mantle.

Or you go the other route, Sandman being the main focus essentially being tortured by this darker Spiderman, who eventually rejects the symbiote. Brock is then bound with it, Venom's emergence is the last shot.

The sad thing is they wrapped up the trilogy ok, but I don't really see where you can go in three other films without repeating yourself or a reinvention Batman Begins/Casino Royale style.

[wysp]

My main problem with the film in general was that they simply tried to do too many things with the time given. I think i realised that they were trying to cover a lot of ground very early on when the entire setting of the scene lasted no more than about 10 minutes or so, and because of this i didn't think it flowed particularly well from scene to scene.

I have to say that i really disliked a lot of creative choices they made with the film. I hated the Sandman/ Uncle Ben retcon, and i think the film suffered a little bit because of it. It just seemed a little bit silly to me, and i think they could have approached the Sandman/ Parker relationship in a different way and still kept the emotion.

I also really didn't like the inclusion of Venom at all. He just felt completely tagged onto the end of the film because he's a popular character, and i think he added absolutely nothing to the overall story. I think a much better use of the 2 hours 30 minutes they had would have been to have the Goblin and the Sandman as the main villains - you already have the revenge arc with Harry, and the Sandman adds in something different to the formula of having 1 villain as in the previous 2 movies. If they'd done this, and kept Peter's struggle with the black suit as a continuous theme throughout, i think that it would have had much more fluidity to it, and it would have felt more like a sensible conclusion to the trilogy.

They could have kept the Venom appearance until the very end - Peter finally rids himself of the symbiote and one of the final scenes is Eddie bonding with it, which sets up a possible (hopefully not, though) future movie.

Also, i cringed, absolutely cringed, when Harry and Peter teamed up at the end. If Harry was killed off or sunk deeper into his madness/ biterness (oh, that's another thing - where is the Goblin madness?!) towards the middle of the movie it would have been much more powerful, especially if he died as a result of Spiderman's actions. As it stands, the final fight in the movie felt really, well, comic-booky, and i think it stopped taking itself so seriously, which also hurt its credibility. I mean, we've seen the Peter/ Harry relationship slowly boiling over for the last couple of movies, and then they end up friends again at the end? I just didn't buy it one bit.

It wasn't like the movie was unwatchable or not enjoyable, but i just think it was mishandled, and i left feeling disappointed.

[WillTurner]

Indeed, I can see what they were going for, but it would have worked better as a last minute sacrifice, with Harry rejecting his father (I bet you that's a deleted scene!)

[smygba]

1) Make Venom/Eddy the main villain and er, bigger, Image style bigger.
2) No Sandman
3) no Gwen, cos she was basically pointless
4) Maybe set up more of the story in the Spidey 2 or make back to back spideys

[Teratophile]

gwen pointless? her point was that she was bangin'. BANGING! i don't even like blondes.

[lawfulwuss]

I don't remember fully, cuz it's been a few days, but didn't Spidey 3 end with MJ and Peter still in some sort of turmoil?

I'm thinking that makes way for the fourth movie to have Peter actually get closer to Gwen and thus have that momentous scene where Gwen dies and MJ and Peter get together in a much more similar way to the comic book.

Perhaps Carnage is Gwen's killer, letting Peter have the whole revenge thing and that way the movies can continue in their style of having the "insane" villains die, with a huge battle ending in Carnage's death. I strongly doubt Doc Connors would be killed.

[NickRocks]

get someone hot to play mary jane instead of baby teeth dunst. ugh!

[Deth]

Ron Howards daghter looks like she has down syndrome.

[saint manji]

If down syndromed people really looked like her, i'd be a more sexed up man.
But they dont.

[Garf]

The more the merrier does NOT apply to villains in a Marvel movie.

You'd think the comic book industry would have learned this after Superman 2.

If they focused on only one of the villains, the movie would've been ten times better.

[50%grey]

The movie was way to long, you cant have a movie go on like that without an intermission. The middle section was awesome tho when he was dealing with the black suit.

They should have just saved venom for the next film,and let him torture parker like he did in the comics.
I have mixed fealings about this movie,in some ways I think it was the best spiderman movie yet,and in some ways it was the worst.

Also a tad rant on the movie going experience as a whole.We have some state of the art screens and projectors at our local cineplex,and in no way does it look anywhere as good as my 60inch 1080p sony hdtv with Blueray. They need to figure out a new way of showeing movies,because right now its not cutting it.

[Crestmere]

Recasting Mary Jane...

Seriously though, the film could have been improved greatly.

Keep more of the focus on Harry.

I'd have cut Sandman out completely. I wasn't that impressed with THC and his character arc seemed to drag and it had no real resolution.

Focus on Harry being a bad guy and then he becomes a good guy in the end and dies.

Give Topher Grace a bigger role. This is probably a real breakout role for him.

[joekey]

i rly thought it was odd that they showed all these scenes of peter being a douche even before he had the symbiote on him, i just ended up disliking him as a character instead of feeling bad for him that the symbiote controlled his emotions. i thought that was the whole point, that the alien made him a jerk, not just make him even more of an ass than he was already. i just didnt connect with peter like in the first 2 movies, was way too self centered for my tastes

[joekey]

also, shoulda said what id change.

keep sandman out of the movie, and ignore the whole uncle bens murder bs. have the whole plot be more character driven. give gwen a bigger role, and have the main focus be on how peter messes up everyones lives(cheating on mj, taking brocks girl and job, more drama between him and harry)

have the symbiote entry be less corny attaching to peters bike. flesh out the plot of peter and his teacher mr conners figuring out what the symbiote does and its weaknesses. would have been cool to have the symbiote sample from the lab attach itself to conner and grow his arm back forshadowing the lizard, and maybe they find the weakness it has for sound during this scene

[bushiboy]

I agree witj nixing Sandman. Good character, and THC did a great job, but he should've been a solo villian in 4.

More Venom. They didn't develop Brock enough in this one, so it was no biggie to see him die at the end.

[bychance]

Recasting Mary Jane...

Seriously though, the film could have been improved greatly.

Keep more of the focus on Harry.

I'd have cut Sandman out completely. I wasn't that impressed with THC and his character arc seemed to drag and it had no real resolution.

Focus on Harry being a bad guy and then he becomes a good guy in the end and dies.


Co-sign with this.

I think a major problem with Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane Watson is the hair color dye. You know when it looks too obvious that they changed an actor's hair color for a role? Well, this is definitely a good example. I know redheads are rare, especially in Hollywood, but they could of tried harder..


get someone hot to play mary jane instead of baby teeth dunst. ugh!

Being "hot" isn't a necessity to MJB's character. Than again, you're a guy so nevermind.

[Dri]

Being "hot" isn't a necessity to MJB's character. Than again, you're a guy so nevermind.

Clearly you don't read Amazing Spider-man. I thought her being a model is part of her character.

Should of been Topher Grace and Bryce Dallas Howard to play Peter and MJ. They would certainly look better for the parts.

[Chris Major]

I would've cast Kate Beckinsale as MJ from day one.

[WillTurner]

I would've cast Kate Beckinsale as MJ from day one.


Beckinsale? Have you seen Click? Chemistry is not her forte.

I agree on the "less is more" approach- Venom shouldn't have been shoehorned in!

[FIG]

I think Green Goblin begining with the first movie should have been redesigned and made to look more like the comic character. If you look at the making of book of the first movie, his design was on this path at one point but later scrapped for some idiotic reasoning. He could of been more of a monster and scarier too. The last Goblin SUCKED bigtime. Looking at the newly arrived Spiderman 3 2 disc Special Edition, "Ninja Snowboarder" is what I see written on the back as a description for the new Green Goblin and I am looking at it thinking WTF were you thinking Sam Raimi?! For me, the cool parts had Sandman and Venom but Eddie Brock was also a miscast. Venom is supposed to be a weightlifter/photographer and there is no reason to deviate from this especially when Brock had minimal character development in the movie. I would have chosen some muscled out WWE wrestler we have not seen before which they could have gotten dirt cheap. ALso, while funny and in true Sam Raimi fashion, the dancing parts with peter that show him acting cheesy need to be cut entirely from the movie. Raimi should of just shown us a brooding, pissed off Parker, not some retarded cheeseball camp he was so used to doing in Brisco County, Xena or Evil Dead.