Can Schumacher Redeem Himself...?

[MC Fumunda]

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/thenumber23.html

I think it looks pretty cool. I always thought numerology was interesting. And I'm glad to see Jim Carrey spreadin' out his talent.

...but after the Batmans...

...heh.

[alentrix]

Oh god damn it. I didn't know this was Schumacher. I really wanted to see this movie too. Maybe i'll still check it out.

[amadarwin]

definately intriguing.

[JPJ]

What? Phone Booth didn't redeem him?

:)

Funny that this guy puts dark atmosphere in all of his movies except fricken Batman.

[misfitX]

Hmm

I love how everyone hates him for the Batmans. What a tool he must be. Forget how amazing Veronica Guerin was (though I doubt any of you have heard of that movie let alone seen it). Tigerland is supposed to be amazing. And I KNOW he couldn't have redeemed himself with that horribly unpopular Phantom of the Opera.

The thing is, if Schumacher hasn't redeemed himself yet, I doubt he ever will.

[Ra Havok]

I *think* I'll wait for the reviews.

[MC Fumunda]

My knock on him was mostly tongue in cheek. I know you can't base a man's entire career on a couple of stinkers.

...though...they did have such a horrific stink.

I just know people love to bag on him about those flicks even after all this time.

And I haven't seen that Veronica whatever movie you mentioned (and no, I hadn't heard of it), and I'm COMPLETELY uninterested in Phantom of the Opera.

I think this movie looks really cool.

[amadarwin]

Tigerland is supposed to be amazing.

I don't know who told you that one. It was an aimless movie about an aimless character. If you watch it and pay attention, you can see the lack of focus and I'm not talking about the camera work.

[Think Tank Bob]

The dude did Lost Boys AND Falling Down. I can ignore some bad Batman movies.

[Huerta]

No. Batman & Robin is that bad.

[FIG]

As long as its not a comicbook movie, he knows what hes doing. Phone Booth was great.

[weirdozhead]

haha yea, phone booth was godawful, but lost boys was pretty cool

i suppose he has a decent movie left in him somewhere..

[Think Tank Bob]

I dunno, I really enjoyed Phone Booth.

Az: I heard that on the commentary track for the new Batman and Robin dvd, he actually apologizes for the movie turning out so badly.

[Popninja]

Schumacher did Flatliners and A Time To Kill, too. I thought those were decent to pretty well done.

But yeah, Veronica Guerin qualifies as redemption.

[Huerta]

I dunno, I really enjoyed Phone Booth.

Az: I heard that on the commentary track for the new Batman and Robin dvd, he actually apologizes for the movie turning out so badly.

Lol, good.

[DJ Kenobi]

Tigerland is supposed to be amazing.
No, Tigerland is nearly Batman & Robin level bad. It's only amazing if you mean amazingly bad.

[MC Fumunda]

I really dug Falling Down, Flatliners, and A Time to Kill, and Lostboys quite a bit.

[GuardianOdin]

I simply like a good movie,I could careless who makes it.

[jharker]

I'm cautious because I haven't actually seen a Shumacher film I actually like (nd no, I also don't like falling down, flatliner or the lost boys).

And the trailer doesn't really say anything, the concept sounds somewhat interesting, but the trailer makes it look like it could either be awesome or really crappy.

[Beastie]

(though I doubt any of you have heard of that movie let alone seen it).

Ooooh, consider me patronized. ;)

[KenKRK]

I'm looking forward to The Number 23. I think most of Carrey's "dramatic" roles have still relied too much on his comedic nuances, and it'll be interesting to see him taclke something this dark.

And yeah, Schumacher's never been a shitty director in general. I actually think with the right script, and acknowledgement of what was wrong with Batman Forever and B&R, he could do a good if not GREAT Batman movie.

[misfitX]

Ooooh, consider me patronized. ;)

well you're british, that's different.

[Akira X]

Matty, Matty, Matty. (Everyone else, everyone else, everyone else.)

http://jaypinkerton.cracked.com/2005/06/a_belated_apology_to_joel_schu.php

For shame.

[weirdozhead]

"With Batman & Robin, everybody got really greedy," explains Schumacher. "They wanted more toys, more machines in the movie, to make it more for kids. Adults think kids are too scared of Batman, so we had to make it more kid-friendly, make it funnier, make it lighter." It was. Batman & Robin was a disaster. "I take full responsibility," says Schumacher.

so he sold out, and made a shitty movie.. sounds about right

[Bruce]

How scary is this? (http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1822&Itemid=99)

He wants to do Sandman!
This should have never left his mouth. something he takes to his grave as a dream project. Can you imagine?

[weirdozhead]

haha, scary

i'd give him props if he'd just do another lost boys. i don't even care how bad it might be, i'd just like to see another one..

[Justice41]

I heard he is doing another Lost boys. A straight to DVD version.

[blue]

Batman & Robin was ghey, Batman Forever was ghey, 8mm was ghey, Falling Down was ghey, and above all others The Lost Boys was super ghey! So Based on all of that I can only come to the conclusion all of his movies suck. **** him.

[F!]

No savaging of the Schumacher Batman movies should overlook Akiva Goldsman's role as writer/producer.

[Akira X]

Yeah it should. The savaging of the "Shut up, we're the internet" brainless unimind.

[Justice41]

Why blame him, place the blame where the checks are written.

[weirdozhead]

schumacher's considered an a-list director with final cut privilege, as far as i know the studio took no part in re-editing his batman movies, so he more than anyone else was responsible for the outcome

[Justice41]

Read what he said in that interview then think about the amount of merchandise it garnered and then tell me he was really responsible. He did what he was paid to do. Simple as that. The final say comes from those who pay. The studios thought they had another cash cow. They were wrong. Be prepared for the letting go of Bryan Singer some time this year from the Superman sequel. The studios could give a crap about quality, they want winners. Superman Returns was in no way a success. You bet your bippy if 300 is a success that Watchmen will be made by Snyder.

[weirdozhead]

schumacher's a big enough name to have pull, it was his decision to sell out, as well as his poor artistic choices made

the first burton movie was also heavily merchandised

directors especially those of schumacher's level don't have to cave into studio pressure, if they automatically do whatever the studio's tell them they simply don't have much artistic integrity. that said a lot of his poor choices still had nothing to do with the studio

[Justice41]

Believe what you want but understand this, It's a business. They had a successful movie with Schu so they thought they would have another. These people aren't artists, they are just workers. to believe otherwise is to believe in fairies. Blame whomever you want if it makes you feel good but it's a naive belief. It's a Business. End of story.

[WillTurner]

Having seen the trailer of 300, I don't want Synder near Watchmen (then again I don't think it should be made full stop), 300 just seems another addition to the historical epic but flashier (and none of those types of films have sniffed near Gladiator any more than Pearl Harbour sniffed near Titanic).

As for Schumacher, Falling Down is awesome. Yes, Batman And Robin is awful. Then again it was around the same time as Godzilla, The Avengers and Speed 2 so it wasn't a great time anyway (what is it they say about the company you keep?)