Bruce Lee vs Jackie Chan

[Castorius]

I have always envisioned what this fight would be like on the silverscreen. Man, this would be one great fight. Jackie Chan actually used to work with Bruce Lee as one of the stunt men on the team that worked with him. I saw this on a documentary I watch however, I am blurry on specific details so don't quote me or anything. So they are familiar with each other to some point.

Bruce Lee has always been a real "kick ass" kind of guy in his movies. Usually taking down guys in 1 hit. Because in reality thats all it would take right?
Jackie Chan is more of an action type guy. Showing off his characters emprovisation with props and such to defeat his enemies. Along with lightning fast hands which has earned him the title "The fastest hands in the East".

Rules
1. No cheap shot blows by either person.
2. No guns,bombs or any type of weapon of that calibur.
3. This fight is 2 out of 3.

Now this is my take on this fight. I love both of these martial artists to death. They both have their own take on things. However, if I had to choose one to win in a matched fight with each other. I think its safe to say Bruce Lee would win the match. However, Jackie Chan would bring the entertainment to the fight. Really giving Bruce Lee's lightning fast reflexes a workout.


What you think?

[e_t_i]

I think it would look something like this

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1866/tdih7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[FD]

Bruce Lee versus Sonny Chiba would be much more interesting than Bruce Lee versus Jackie Chan...

[benrosa]

Bruce Lee hands down

[WillTurner]

As much as I love Jackie Chan, no chance.

Tony Jaa on the other hand would be an interesting call.

[Mr.Hades]

Bruce...No problem.

Tony Ja Vs. Bruce? I don't know too much about Tony Jaa's Martial arts background, So I can't comment on that.

[brendon]

the match would end in a game of Mazhang or Chinese chess...

[brendon]

which would last for 10 years...

[WillTurner]

Bruce...No problem.

Tony Ja Vs. Bruce? I don't know too much about Tony Jaa's Martial arts background, So I can't comment on that.

Watch Ong Bak, and then see the making of on how Muay Thai boxers train. To give you an idea, it's so intense many retire at the age of 23.

[fatmancomics]

Well, you're talking about the silver screen so you'd have to consider that if Bruce were alive today and still making martial arts films he would've adapted to trends so this would be a wire film we're talking about and the fight would take a long time.
But in a real life fight? Bruce would win hands down. Jackie is a performer. He learned martial arts as a part of a performance art while Bruce was all about finding ways to kick someone else's ass as fast as possible in real life situations. Hell, he'd break rule number one right away with a swift kick to Jackie's nuts.

[xadrian]

I don't know. Jackie Chan is all about avoidance and changing a situation quickly to avoid getting KOed right away. He's got his ass kicked plenty of times and has always been able (scripted, I know) to then turn it back around to quickly disable someone.

I don't think he'd give Bruce Lee the chance to take "one shot" and kick his ass. True, all Lee would need is one shot, but I think it'd last longer than you guys are giving it.

[amadarwin]

as much as I like Loston, I have to say Jackie would crush his drawing hand.

[Bruce Lee]

as much as I like Loston, I have to say Jackie would crush his drawing hand.

B-but I like me some Jackie Chan movies...:(

...but Bruce is the man! I can watch ENTER THE DRAGON over and over again, but RUMBLE IN THE BRONX starts to get old after the first couple viewings.;)

In real life, if Bruce was alive and at his peak (age 32) and Jackie was at his peak age and form, Bruce will destroy Jackie. Bruce was a real fighter, and often faced opponents sent his way by the elders of San Francisco's Chinatown Kung Fu experts, who wanted him to stop teaching Gung Fu techniques that weren't traditional methods (the basis of what would become known later as Jeet Kune do). Bruce was in superhuman shape, was super fast and powerful. He was the real deal. IMO, Jackie wouldn't have much of a chance in this fantasy fight.

Loston

[kid vorpal]

In real life, if Bruce was alive and at his peak (age 32) and Jackie was at his peak age and form, Bruce will destroy Jackie. Bruce was a real fighter, and often faced opponents sent his way by the elders of San Francisco's Chinatown Kung Fu experts, who wanted him to stop teaching Gung Fu techniques that weren't traditional methods (the basis of what would become known later as Jeet Kune do). Bruce was in superhuman shape, was super fast and powerful. He was the real deal. IMO, Jackie wouldn't have much of a chance in this fantasy fight.

Even Bruce's genes kicked ass - watching Brandon in Rapidfire is still a guilty pleasure of mine.

[WillTurner]

This is why this debate is so harsh.

Jackie Chan is a brilliant, agile comic martial artist. His choreographed routines (even in average things like Shanghai Knights and Around The World In 80 Days) are fantastic to watch.

I strongly suspect a fight between Chan and Lee would be like a fight between me and my younger (6'2 brick sh*thouse) brother-

As witnessed in numerous outtakes, Jackie Chan can take a heck of a lot of pain, and has broken bones I wouldn't want a tiny tap on.

However, Bruce Lee was something else. If you've ever read Tao Of Jeet Kune Do, you'll know the depth of his knowledge of fighting as well as his obvious skill.

Conclusion- You might beat brains, you might beat brawn, you can't beat both.

[fatmancomics]

So would I get this much participation in a Bruce vs. Jackie jamboree?

[Bryan E.Warner]

This is interesting:)
I've never visited here before.But Bruce Lee caught my attention.Only in my Opinon,but I think one of the Greatest Fight sequences ever done was Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris.;)
Blessings!
Bryan E.Warner

[Logan]

you guys really underestimate jackie chan. a lot of martial arts is centered around perception. if you've ever seen the drunken master style then you'd know just how confusing it would be to fight someone who moved that unpredictably. i don't think the two would ever fight though.. no reason to really unless you count making movies where he imitated bruce.. but that'd just be childish.

[Bryan E.Warner]

I don't know if they'er Under estemateing Jackie Chan or not.I do know I've never seen him in the ring for a bout.Don't get me wrong I am impressed by the dude,and love watching the out takes of him doing all the stunts.I know he's got to be fearless;)

[Logan]

well, as some one who used to be very into martial arts i can say with certainty that what would happen to them is what would happen anytime two really skilled fighters clash: they both get really, really hurt and no one really "wins"

[Dawnsknight]

Bruce and Jackie would definitely have enjoyed sparring each other. 2 very dynamic and well trained martial artists.
Don't be mistaken, Logan is absolutely right.
Jackie Chan was trained in the BeiJing opera from childhood, but his lessons were not just vocal, dance and stuntwork... the BeiJing opera takes wushu very seriously. Bruce was also learning from a young age... he had an understanding of martial arts that not many people realized at the time, one that is still difficult for many to grasp. They are both very different, Bruce's style is very direct, to the point (a derivative of his Wing Chun training) while Jackie likes to employ misdirection (drunkard boxing, the 'twisting tiger' technique in Rush Hour2) I think it would be an amazing fight to watch. Can't call a real winner, they'd go til they were exhausted.

[Castorius]

I'm going to give this a more in depth analysis than in my first post.

Bruce Lee:
Physical Fitness: Bruce Lee was in superhuman shape in his peak. He could easily do elevated V-sits for extended periods of time, along with one finger push-ups. Bruce Lee had to have work out equipment created for him that was lets say "Not for the ordinary". Bruce Lee really was and still is a masterpiece of muscle.
Jackie Chan:
Physical Fitness: Jackie Chan is no push-over himself. He is not in the league of physical fitness as Bruce was, however, he was very fit in his peak. I remember watching something about Jackie Chan and his daily workout list and I do remember it being long and tenious. Getting punched by Jackie wouldn't be any walk in the park either.

Now lets compare the twos ability to take a hit.
Bruce Lee in most cases took down however he was fighting in 1 hit. Can you say he'd take Jackie down in one hit? Possibly. I'm am not really "educated" on how much Bruce Lee can withstand from a blow, seeing as 99% of the time he takes people down before they hit him. So with saying that i'd give Bruce Lee the disadvantage here.
Jackie Chan is a rock man. He can take a world of pain and still keep going. This is where i'd give Jackie Chan the advantage, along with being very very elusive himself makes him very formiddable.

Knowledge of Martial Arts: Clearly Bruce Lee has the advantage here. However, Jackie Chan is a very unpredictable fighter. Giving Jackie Chan better odds then people give him credit for.

So I guess what you would have to ask yourself is.

Theoretically, if Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan hit each other at the same time, who would fall? Who would not get back up?

I think its very difficult to say what would happen between the two, in terms on how the fight would progress. So, I tried to break it down into those questions.

Have fun with this enjoy.

P.S.- Keep it going I really enjoy reading everyones opinions.

[WillTurner]

Castorius- how painful is it sitting on the fence?

(LOL-Joking!)

[Kaligula]

Jackie Chan is a lot more entertaining to watch. . . .but Bruce would murder him any day.

Bruce verse Tony Jaa would be the ultimate deathmatch tho. . .

[Bryan E.Warner]

I would suggest a Referee.when I boxed in my 20s ( wow that's a long time ago ) I was sure glad to have that Reff in there with us.

[Goldenarms]

The thing that people tend to forget is that Jackie is an entertainment fighter. True, he can kick some serious ass when provoked, but he doesn't have the reflexes to survive a sudden brawl, as he ended up proving one time on the set of Rush Hour 2. A fan thought it would be cool to walk up, go "Hey, Jackie!"and throw a punch at him, to which he would block it, and they have a good laugh about it afterwards. The fan ended up breaking Jackie's nose.

Put Bruce in the same situation. Not only would the punch have been block, he would immediately smash his elbow into the fan's face without a conscious thought. Sounds like an exaggeration to some, but you have to understand that, even though he was a movie star, Bruce would never forget that he is first and foremost a fighter.

Bruce didn't just study martial arts; he WAS martial arts. He could be a fun guy, but unless you were talking martial arts with him, conversations didn't last long. He was constantly, constantly, CONSTANTLY thinking about how to improve his form day in and day out. Every moment he could get, he would train, even if all it amounted to was standing on one foot and balancing Linda's shopping bags on his head. He was wholly absorbed into that which he loved, and that's exactly why Jackie Chan doesn't even stands a snowball's chance in Hell on beating him.

[CWmax]

I think it would look something like this

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1866/tdih7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

You guys do know that that IS Jackie Chan in that pic from Enter the Dragon....

So the fight alrady happened...It ended with Lee breaking Chan's neck.


Jackie Chan is great- Fearless Hyena is my favorite!

But Bruce Lee is LEGEND....he wins in any fight.....except maybe against....Galactus....maybe.

[e_t_i]

You guys do know that that IS Jackie Chan in that pic from Enter the Dragon....


I sure knew it ;)

[scootmorningside]

Oh wait, who would win in a fight between Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan?

..Chuck Norris.

Really though, someone said something about Bruce Lee using wire techniques if he were around today. I don't think so. I don't even really see why this exists. Of course, Bruce Lee would win. But also, I wouldn't want to see Jackie Chan take down someone in one hit, if he can or not. It's kind of one sided. Like maybe lets say "Who would win in a pretty fight?" Chuck Norris?

[brendon]

jackie chan wouldn't want to kill bruce lee, because he's not evil. thus bruce lee would lose his power, which seems to stem from destroying evil... a common theme in his movies.

jackie chan's approach to kungfu is self defense. he always gets "caught up in trouble" as a result of some random nature. but bruce lee wouldn't be stupid enough to be the source of jackie chan's trouble for no reason.

but, alas... if they were to be somehow forced into a fight to the death:

well, they would figure a way out of it together, and beat the $#!T out of the person who put them into this situtuation.

which in this case, unfortunately, is the creator of this thread :D hehe...

and then they would go play mazhang or chinese chess...

[Deth]

I love Jackie Chan. My favorite Kung Fu flick is Drunken Master 2.
His movie Gorgeous is pretty good too. That being said. Bruce Lee would win hands down. I take Wushu which is a performance art and one of the styles that Jackie had to learn. It's not for fighting. Jackie trains to do moves not for applicable combat purposes but for the visual beauty of it. Bruce Lee on the other hand trains to fight. He made his own style which even today doesnt have a decent practitioner since his death because no one understood it except him. My Favorite Martial Artist is Donnie Yen though.

GO IRON MONKEY!!!!!

[CWmax]

I don't think that being trained by the Bejing Opera is anything to sneeze at....I think I remember hearing that the Shaolin Monks were persecuted and forced to go underground---but they formed the theater gorups and hid their martial arts and training in the 'performance' ----Kinda like cappoiera looks like a dance but is actually a fighting style hidden within a dance.


Still....Bruce Lee Wins.

[Logan]

why does anyone have to win anyway? look, if i punch someone in the face so hard that they immediately disintegrate from the force of my blow but before they do they manage to break my pinky toe with a sloppy stomp, i still lose. i have to go to the hospital and pay thousands. no one wins. especially when two highly trained individuals go at it. all that it results in is two people getting very very injured for what? fame? recognition? bragging rights? do any of those fix my shattered spleen? wipe the terrified look off of my daughters face? i doubt it. sheesh.

[Deth]

Why do football teams try to beat each other? or why do NBA players choose to play in the olympics for much less money? OR why do martial artists even bother to learn martial arts in the first place? It's for the pride sir. Having something your so passionate about you'd sacrifice your body mind and soul just to reach that higher level.

[WillTurner]

why does anyone have to win anyway? look, if i punch someone in the face so hard that they immediately disintegrate from the force of my blow but before they do they manage to break my pinky toe with a sloppy stomp, i still lose. i have to go to the hospital and pay thousands. no one wins. especially when two highly trained individuals go at it. all that it results in is two people getting very very injured for what? fame? recognition? bragging rights? do any of those fix my shattered spleen? wipe the terrified look off of my daughters face? i doubt it. sheesh.

I really don't have to point out the irony here, do I? I could also go further, since Bruce Lee described Jeet Kune Do as "the art of fighting without fighting" So either way, he'd win.

[bushiboy]

Jackie Chan is a BRILLIANT acrobat and choreographer trained in a military style "circus" environment, but Bruce was pretty much trained to kill many people as quickly as possible. Between a fighter and a performer, I'd put my money on the fighter.

I'd rather hang out with Jackie though, cause he's got a sense of humor.

[Mr.Hades]

Jackie Chan is a BRILLIANT acrobat and choreographer trained in a military style "circus" environment, but Bruce was pretty much trained to kill many people as quickly as possible. Between a fighter and a performer, I'd put my money on the fighter.

I'd rather hang out with Jackie though, cause he's got a sense of humor.

Well, Bruce Lee is dead...so he wouldn't be much fun to go out for a coffee with...unless his rotting head fell off and rolled along the floor...I guess that would be quite funny.

[bushiboy]

Nah, Bruce Lee is in hiding with Brandon and Elvis and Jackie-O. They live in Bigfoot's UFO and fight the Illuminati.

[Logan]

Why do football teams try to beat each other? or why do NBA players choose to play in the olympics for much less money? OR why do martial artists even bother to learn martial arts in the first place? It's for the pride sir.


i don't know. i tend to disagree. i think that the reasons for doing any one of those things will be just as varied as the people who do them. i do know that i don't play sports.. for the reason that some people get way too far into it like you described. some people would eat a baby if it meant that someone down the road would kiss their ass because they won the superbowl. it disgusts me.

the reason that i got into okinawan kenpo and aikido was to minimize the pain and suffering that my family and myself would have to face were the unthinkable to happen. i couldn't give two shits about pride.. it's the greatest before the fall and all of that. but i do recognize that for some people, ego is the only thing holding their flimsy personalities together and that's just sad. bruce and jackie don't strike me as those kind of people, hence they'd never fight. and if they did, i'm almost positive that neither would win, because both would get very very hurt.

[WillTurner]

i don't know. i tend to disagree. i think that the reasons for doing any one of those things will be just as varied as the people who do them. i do know that i don't play sports.. for the reason that some people get way too far into it like you described. some people would eat a baby if it meant that someone down the road would kiss their ass because they won the superbowl. it disgusts me.

the reason that i got into okinawan kenpo and aikido was to minimize the pain and suffering that my family and myself would have to face were the unthinkable to happen. i couldn't give two shits about pride.. it's the greatest before the fall and all of that. but i do recognize that for some people, ego is the only thing holding their flimsy personalities together and that's just sad. bruce and jackie don't strike me as those kind of people, hence they'd never fight. and if they did, i'm almost positive that neither would win, because both would get very very hurt.

While everything you said here is undoubtedly true, this forum by definition is speculative ie "Who would win in a fight?" is what we're talking about.

How you define victory I'd argue is a topic for another forum.

Next week- Socrates or Plato- who'd win in a rope fist fight?

[Logan]

i'm going socrates. come on. the first part of his name is "soc" as in a punch to the face. :)

[bushiboy]

Wait a minute, just to be clear: does Jackie have a gun for this?

[WillTurner]

Wait a minute, just to be clear: does Jackie have a gun for this?

Bruce won't have them on the island.

[Mr.Hades]

Bruce won't have them on the island.

Just to pull you up there, it was Han's island, not Bruce's. :cool:

[WillTurner]

Just to pull you up there, it was Han's island, not Bruce's. :cool:

I know, hence it was not in quotation marks! :D

[Deth]

I say Hulk Hogan gives them both a big boot and then a running leg splash!!! just playing. Bruce Lee all the way baby!!!! although I think Mirko Crocop could take Bruce Lee

[WillTurner]

P.S Random Enter The Dragon Trivia- If you look closely there are white markings on the training ground. That's because in actual fact they were tennis courts.

[saint manji]

Kung Fu Tennis!

[Brian Germain]

Well, you're talking about the silver screen so you'd have to consider that if Bruce were alive today and still making martial arts films he would've adapted to trends so this would be a wire film we're talking about and the fight would take a long time.
But in a real life fight? Bruce would win hands down. Jackie is a performer. He learned martial arts as a part of a performance art while Bruce was all about finding ways to kick someone else's ass as fast as possible in real life situations. Hell, he'd break rule number one right away with a swift kick to Jackie's nuts.


what you'd have to stipulate is Bruce lee and Jackie Chan would both be at their peak fighting ability. I believe Bruce would probably win although Jackie chan has fought ten guys in real life and lived to tell the tale. so it's kinda like this if bruce hits first he will probably win, if Jackie hits first he will probably still have to hit bruce a few more times. Sorry Jackie is great but even he would tell you bruce would win no contest.

[shavedwookie]

Im pretty sure Id kick both there asses.

But Bruce hands down... but Jackie would lose while making you laugh...thats a rare skill.

i think

[Mr.Hades]

Im pretty sure Id kick both there asses.

But Bruce hands down... but Jackie would lose while making you laugh...thats a rare skill.

i think

Although Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan are/were some of the biggest known Martial Artists in the world today, I would back you for the win, :p shavedwookie

...

Even though I have not met you.

[Goldenarms]

Bruce Lee vs. a shaved Wookie? Hmm... sonds like a comic book in the making there... :D

[CoreyPledger]

I like them both, but I gotta say that Bruce would hand a swift ownage to Jackie via a nut-shot. Bruce says that the best way to beat someone is not to worry about where you hit them. So I'd have to say Bruce, the one, the only champ.

Corey

[smygba]

I'd guess Bruce Lee would win, but I don't think it'd be such a walk in the park. I'm pretty sure Jackie Chan would've given him a good go.