Clint Eastwood v. John Wayne

[CS]

Granted I'm biased --

but goodbye Mr. Wayne...



Eastood just plays meaner, harder characters and would fight much more ruthlessly.


And Wayne has itty bitty feet.

[WillTurner]

Uh, have you seen The Searchers? He shoots an Indian's eyes out so they can't reach the happy hunting ground, is prepared to kill his niece and also calls a man "blanket head" which is the best insult ever.

But then, High Plains Drifter, Dollars Trilogy, Josey Wales. OK, Clint edges it.

[mezzacaine]

Clints the man no contest

[InkDrop]

Clints the man no contest
word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[theycallmemisterbob]

Finally a tough one. Hmmmm... I need an hour to think on it.

[Singles]

Clint may have the edge in attitude and such, but John Wayne is the manliest piece of man this side of Johnny Cash.

[xadrian]

My dad'd hate me for saying so, but unless the contest is charming fugly cowgirls outta their rifles and britches, Clint takes it.

[theycallmemisterbob]

OK I'm representing for the Duke here. Much as I love Clint, I dont think you're giving credit where it's due.

First off, that's a damn lie about his feet (see the first post).

Second, Clint's cool but not every one of his movies is. Case in point: every film with that harpy, Sandra Locke in it.

Nextly, JW has acting skills over Clint. Aside from Play Misty for Me, and the Outlaw Josey Wales, where else have you seen Clint really act? He's barely escaped his own personality in 90% of his movies. The only other one I can think of is that yawner with the monkey. . John Wayne has The Searchers, The Quiet Man, The Shootist, True Grit.

You all need to revisit the Duke before you decide. At least pay him his due. And dont listen to slander about the size of his feet - or his hands. :)

[Ed]

the duke would never be caught dead in paint your wagon.

[Pardot Kynes]

John Wayne's real first name was Marion.
You don't survive adolescence with that name unless you're a chick or one tough sumbitch.

The Duke in a close one.

[CWmax]

hmmmmm....

"Fill your hands you son-of-a-bitch!"

vs.

"My mule don't think it's nice, you laughin'..."

It's a tough one!

CW

[acosby]

Just compare them. Old n' ponchie vs. thin n' squinty.
I'll take thin n' squinty anyday.
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"funny thing killin a man. Take away all he's got and all he's gonna have" - One of the best lines ever from Unforgiven
That and
"any man takes a shot at me and I'll kill him... and I'll shoot his family... and his dog... and I'll burn down his house!" (I may have messed up the exact wording, but you get the gist.

[G-man_2000]

Clint Eastwood, nuf said!

[theycallmemisterbob]

"funny thing killin a man. Take away all he's got and all he's gonna have" - One of the best lines ever from Unforgiven
That and
"any man takes a shot at me and I'll kill him... and I'll shoot his family... and his dog... and I'll burn down his house!" (I may have messed up the exact wording, but you get the gist.

Notice Josey Wales needs TWO cannons to do his fightin. Big Jake gets the job done w. just one 6-shooter. Who's the man?

[NickRocks]

OK I'm representing for the Duke here. Much as I love Clint, I dont think you're giving credit where it's due.

First off, that's a damn lie about his feet (see the first post).

Second, Clint's cool but not every one of his movies is. Case in point: every film with that harpy, Sandra Locke in it.

Nextly, JW has acting skills over Clint. Aside from Play Misty for Me, and the Outlaw Josey Wales, where else have you seen Clint really act? He's barely escaped his own personality in 90% of his movies. The only other one I can think of is that yawner with the monkey. . John Wayne has The Searchers, The Quiet Man, The Shootist, True Grit.

You all need to revisit the Duke before you decide. At least pay him his due. And dont listen to slander about the size of his feet - or his hands. :)

MISTERBOB, thats exactly WHY clint would win...hes never out of character! hes a true badass! john wayne is a fancy shmancy pants acteur! clint breaks waynes neck with his chin!
plus think about how many video game/movie/comic characters use clint as their prototype! solid snake and hartigan from sin city come to mind.

i just wish clint was still young so he could be solid snake..*sigh*

[Singles]

Eastwood's chin has nothing on the Duke's chin.

[NickRocks]

what chin?

[acosby]

Well the Duke has got 2 chins so af course his looks bigger.

[ielle77]

lol... seriously. And he was a cop for years... I'm pretty sure he's gotta temper on him, though he's always been a pussycat to me. Even so, perhaps you're onto something lol


AS for who is better. Sorry i was born and bred an Eastwood gal thanks to my father (a huge fan of gunsmoke, so actually he'd tell you all to take a hike and claim James Arness(sp?) could take the both of them).

John was great in The Searchers... why is that? Because he was foreshadowing what was to come in Western Cinema. The end of the Good Guy Lead. The beginning of the one tough SOB.

Give me the Man with No Name.
Give me Hogan (2 Mules for sister Sara)
Give me Eastwood :D

[Stark Raving]

Fistfight: The Duke
Gunfight: The Squinter

[Singles]

I might be able to go along with that.

[Pep]

ooohhh, this is too tough a nut for me to crack.
In the end the flagpole has too much spaghetti on his shoulders to earn my vote - so I'll go with the Duke.

[Mr.Hades]

Clint's characters always have that 'edgy' feel, where as with John Waynes', it feels like an 'acted' toughness. Clint could have you beaten before you even had a chance to 'slap leather'. He would start trash talkin about you laughin at his donkey and it would go down hill from there, really. A blur of his hand later and you are face down in the dirt (should you ever get into a wild-west style gunfight with Clint).

[mezzacaine]

An advantage John Wayne has over Clint Eastwood, is John Wayne has appeared in a comic.

That comic being Preacher.

[penciljack]

What the HELL? Look, I like Clint Eastwood movies as much as anybody, but it's a sad day for society in general when we can't recognize that John Wayne - who used to be a stuntman before he became an actor - would paste Mr. Sensitive Man Clint Eastwood without blinking.

Clint's played some mean sonsabitches, but he's always parodying the notion of masculinity in his movies. That was a big part of his "Dirty Harry" series. While Clint was doing that, John Wayne was busy BEING a man.

This one is more lopsided than the Cap vs. Batman fight where Cap stomps Batman into black and blue paste. John Wayne would snap Clint Eastwood in half.

[CS]

well, thats like, just your opinion, man. ;)

[penciljack]

Nope - it's cold, hard fact. And it's the official position of Penciljack.com ;)

[CS]

man, you pulled rank. that isnt fair.

[NickRocks]

you arent even like, the owner of this site or anything.

stupid dog. :P

[theycallmemisterbob]

What the HELL? Look, I like Clint Eastwood movies as much as anybody, but it's a sad day for society in general when we can't recognize that John Wayne - who used to be a stuntman before he became an actor - would paste Mr. Sensitive Man Clint Eastwood without blinking.

Clint's played some mean sonsabitches, but he's always parodying the notion of masculinity in his movies. That was a big part of his "Dirty Harry" series. While Clint was doing that, John Wayne was busy BEING a man.

This one is more lopsided than the Cap vs. Batman fight where Cap stomps Batman into black and blue paste. John Wayne would snap Clint Eastwood in half.

As they say on talk radio, I agree with most of what you said. Except for the Cap, Batman part being ass-backwards, you're right on about the Duke, Eastwood, and the snapping in half.

[Kingsley]

First off, that's a damn lie about his feet (see the first post).

Well at the chinese theatre in Hollywood I've seen John Waynes feet many times and I will have to say CS is correct. John Wayne has very small feet. So Clint wins ;)

[Logan]

you have to seperate the actors from their roles. if it came down to john or marion wayne versus clint eastwood, i think wayne would win. but if the discussion is about the characters that they played, not only would the man with no name beat the crap out of wayne's multitude, but he'd kill them, their friends and burn their damn houses down to the ground.

[ielle77]

hee hee.. blondie rocks.

Curious side question... If The man with no name would kill Wayne, who could kill the man with no name?

My bets on Cort from Quick n the Dead. He was a fast on the draw.

I don't think Sharon's character could... she seemed like she was trying to channel Clint the entire film and never quite made it because she kept having "feelings"

I like that film but i think it makes us girls look like we can't be mean SOBs like eastwood's "man with no name" that our estrogen keeps making us break down and cry. PLLLEASE... i would have knocked hackman off at dinner. But then there would have been no film lol lol :D

[astrocity20]

I can't stand John Wayne... so Clint Eastwood, besides he's directed some good films as well.

[Chum]

The Duke all the way!

I love me some Clint Eastwood, but common.

You guys ever seen "True Grit."

[dxdragon]

Any which way but loose,


Clint is the man!

Do ya feel me punk...well ....do ya?

[Vivat_Rex]

Clint Eastwood can act. I saw Million Dollar Baby and he was the star of that Rocky imitation. I never liked John Wayne. I can't say I have seen any of his movies, but I have seen most of Clint's. His best, in particular order, include Outlaw Josey Wales, Unforgiven, Pale Rider, The Good the Bad and the Ugly, and Magnum Force (and most of the Dirty Harry movies, except maybe the Dead Pool). Clint has made and starred in some awful movies, but he never played Genghis Kahn! Now John Wayne I have heard has some good movies in him, but I can't fairly call it since I have never seen then--so I will biasedly say Clint is the best Western hero of any age. ;)

[bindlestitch]

"Hell with them fellas, birds gatta eat, same as the worms."
Clint over The Duke any day.

[Juan2.0]

I grew up watching John Wayne movies so he got my vote. :)

[Bruce Lee]

EL DORADO is an awesome movie! "The Duke", Robert Mitchum, and a young James Kaan! Howard Hawks, probably one of the greatest action directors of all time, directed this film. It's got great action, fun dialogue, a good sense of humor, and even some sexy babes! I'd put it up there with OUTLAW, JOSIE WALES, folks. It's THAT good!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Dorado_(film)

Loston

[ielle77]

see, i'm a "the searchers" girl.

If i HAVE to watch wayne (which i try to avoid) that's teh wayne i'd choose. he was badass in it. Talk about heartless. Honestly i think that character was the precursor to what eventually became common in modern westerns. The anti-hero.

still looking for someone to tell me who they think could KILL eastwood's man with no name character. Russell's wyatt earp? Crowe's Cort in Quick in the dead? Perhaps Hackman? Maybe Kilmer's Dr. Holiday?? What do you guys think?

[Bruce Lee]

still looking for someone to tell me who they think could KILL eastwood's man with no name character.

Wait no longer! :D

http://www.lostonwallace.com/clintfox.jpg

Loston

[Rocket37]

he spit on a dogs head for cripes sake..don't get meaner than that!!!:eek:

clint all the way

[sadman2000]

[QUOTE=ielle77;687244]hee hee.. blondie rocks.

Curious side question... If The man with no name would kill Wayne, who could kill the man with no name?

His future Space Cowboy self, of course! I mean....







SPAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCE GHHHHHOOOOOOOSSSSSST!!!


for killing BAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNGOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

yes, space ghost would kill them both with his Power Bands for killing Bango with their six-shooters while the poor creature slept.

[JJ Mckool]

While Rooster Cogburn is easily among my favourite film characters, I'm givin it to Clint Eastwood. John Wayne just spread himself too thin in my opinion. I mean, he's been in over double the amount that The Man With No Name has.

[Spooko]

I like the music in Clints movies more!

[Toxic Monkey]

John Wayne by way of this trivia from imdb:

He and his drinking buddy, actor Ward Bond, frequently played practical jokes on each other. In one incident, Bond bet Wayne that they could stand on opposite sides of a newspaper and Wayne wouldn't be able to hit him. Bond set a sheet of newspaper down in a doorway, Wayne stood on one end, and Bond slammed the door in his face, shouting "Try and hit me now!" Wayne responded by sending his fist through the door, flooring Bond (and winning the bet).

he evening before a shoot he was trying to get some sleep in a Las Vegas hotel. The suite directly below his was that of Frank Sinatra (never a good friend of Wayne), who was having a party. The noise kept Wayne awake, and each time he made a complaining phone call it quieted temporarily but each time eventually grew louder. Wayne at last appeared at Sinatra's door and told Frank to stop the noise. A Sinatra bodyguard of Wayne's size approached saying, "Nobody talks to Mr. Sinatra that way." Wayne looked at the man, turned as though to leave, then backhanded the bodyguard, who fell to the floor, where Wayne knocked him out by crashing a chair on top of him. The party noise stopped.

He once made a cameo appearance on "The Beverly Hillbillies" (1962) and when asked how he wanted to be paid, replied, "Give me a fifth of bourbon - that'll square it."

While making The Barbarian and the Geisha (1958), he apparently became so enraged with director John Huston (who was something of a tough guy himself and was nearly as tall as Wayne but not as massive) that he throttled and punched him out. It is unknown what Huston did to earn the beating, but the director was known to have a mean streak. Wayne later re-enacted the incident for Peter Bogdanovich, who was somewhat terrified to be used as a substitute for Huston.

[Spooko]

John Wayne by way of this trivia from imdb:

He and his drinking buddy, actor Ward Bond, frequently played practical jokes on each other. In one incident, Bond bet Wayne that they could stand on opposite sides of a newspaper and Wayne wouldn't be able to hit him. Bond set a sheet of newspaper down in a doorway, Wayne stood on one end, and Bond slammed the door in his face, shouting "Try and hit me now!" Wayne responded by sending his fist through the door, flooring Bond (and winning the bet).

he evening before a shoot he was trying to get some sleep in a Las Vegas hotel. The suite directly below his was that of Frank Sinatra (never a good friend of Wayne), who was having a party. The noise kept Wayne awake, and each time he made a complaining phone call it quieted temporarily but each time eventually grew louder. Wayne at last appeared at Sinatra's door and told Frank to stop the noise. A Sinatra bodyguard of Wayne's size approached saying, "Nobody talks to Mr. Sinatra that way." Wayne looked at the man, turned as though to leave, then backhanded the bodyguard, who fell to the floor, where Wayne knocked him out by crashing a chair on top of him. The party noise stopped.

He once made a cameo appearance on "The Beverly Hillbillies" (1962) and when asked how he wanted to be paid, replied, "Give me a fifth of bourbon - that'll square it."

While making The Barbarian and the Geisha (1958), he apparently became so enraged with director John Huston (who was something of a tough guy himself and was nearly as tall as Wayne but not as massive) that he throttled and punched him out. It is unknown what Huston did to earn the beating, but the director was known to have a mean streak. Wayne later re-enacted the incident for Peter Bogdanovich, who was somewhat terrified to be used as a substitute for Huston.


Absolutely Awesome.

[ielle77]

i only believe the sinatra story, oddly enough.

Something tells me it would have been booted for hitting the director and i highly doubt he put his hand through a door standing so far away. What is he, the bride from kill bill all the sudden??

As for kicking sinatra's guard's ass. Yup, i can totally see that. :D

[sadman2000]

Yeah, that all seems like propaganda to me.

In otherwords a bunch of B.S. to make Wayne look good.

Cool B.S. though.:p

[Bruce Lee]

Yeah, that all seems like propaganda to me.

In otherwords a bunch of B.S. to make Wayne look good.

Cool B.S. though.:p

Too many witnesses to these scenes to call the all "B.S." A number of actors claim to have witnessed Wayne's temper flares firsthand, and he was known to get physical with people on the set. I have no doubt that Hollywood has blown the stories up to be bigger than they probably were--whatever sells tickets, right? Supposedly though, at various points in his life, Wayne was a nightmare to work with. It all seemed to depend on what part of his career you talk about. He had a volital life. When he was going thru life problems (marriage problems, etc), he had some really low points where he was reportedly downright mean. Actors who had worked with him in those "mean" years (like actress, Patricia Neal) were shocked at how different he had become later in life, when his problems were behind him. He had become a "pussycat" to work with. It was a night and day difference apparently.

Personally, I blame the booze.

http://www.lostonwallace.com/johnwaynead.jpg

Loston

[Toxic Monkey]

i only believe the sinatra story, oddly enough.

Something tells me it would have been booted for hitting the director and i highly doubt he put his hand through a door standing so far away. What is he, the bride from kill bill all the sudden??

As for kicking sinatra's guard's ass. Yup, i can totally see that. :D

Standing on half of a newspaper would put you pretty close to a door. If the door is one of those hollow ones, it would have been very easy to punch through. If it was a solid door, that's more badass.

[ielle77]

Too many witnesses to these scenes to call the all "B.S." A number of actors claim to have witnessed Wayne's temper flares firsthand, and he was known to get physical with people on the set. I have no doubt that Hollywood has blown the stories up to be bigger than they probably were--whatever sells tickets, right? Supposedly though, at various points in his life, Wayne was a nightmare to work with. It all seemed to depend on what part of his career you talk about. He had a volital life. When he was going thru life problems (marriage problems, etc), he had some really low points where he was reportedly downright mean. Actors who had worked with him in those "mean" years (like actress, Patricia Neal) were shocked at how different he had become later in life, when his problems were behind him. He had become a "pussycat" to work with. It was a night and day difference apparently.

Personally, I blame the booze.

http://www.lostonwallace.com/johnwaynead.jpg

Loston

I too have heard the stories that he was hard to work with. But that's been true of a lot of big stars during the years. And when they get too big for their britches, usually hollywood has a way of no longer hiring them. For example, Mary Elizabeth Masterantonio,Val Kilmer (who went on a long hiatus until his ego came back down) and Madalene Stowe.

I think the difference between the Duke (at the time he was a raging nut) and lets say Val Kilmer, is simply the studios made a concious choice to allowed Wayne to keep working andto KEEP his name in the spot lite. The spin masters at could USE his temper for their gain. It probably to help bring IN the crowds.

Meanwhile, the idea that someone like Kilmer has flown into a rage and become difficult on set only annoyed american audiences. Sort of a how dare they, who do they think they are attitude. He didn't have that tough guy role to back up his demeanor. The studios didn't need his crap (he was big, but there were others) AND playing up the stories wouldn't help him, so they walked away. And Kilmer ended up sitting on the sideline until he could learn how to play nice (which he's better, but they still haven't given him very large roles).

So really i think the legends behind the Duke's fits are true AND false. I think he was a bit of a pain in the ass, but i think they suped it up because no matter how big you are, MGM's president is BIGGER and is going to get sick and tired of you knocking out his directors and having people refuse to work with you.

[JimLeeforGod]

Wayne for paving the way for clint.

[ielle77]

Wayne for paving the way for clint.

well on that note, the cast of the great train robbery for paving the way for wayne! ;)

[JJ Mckool]

OK, how about Wyatt Earp for the tough guy personae Wayne used?

[larq2525]

Clint Eastwood, hands down. A Fistful of Dollars, For A Few Dollars More, and The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly? It doesn't get any better than that.

ooOOooOOoooo WAH WAH WAAAAAH!

[frazman]

If we are talking about the characters...Eastwood in a close one.

If we are talking about the actual men, John Wayne in his prime would knock the snot out of Clint Eastwood on his best day.

He would outshoot him too. Wayne actually knew how to shoot a gun.

[Craig DeBoard]

Nextly, JW has acting skills over Clint.

What the hell!?

They BOTH essentially play the same character in every movie they're in! LOL!!!!!

JW has nothing on Clint. Why? Because Clint can put you down with just his glare alone. :-lml:

[frazman]

I too have heard the stories that he was hard to work with. But that's been true of a lot of big stars during the years. And when they get too big for their britches, usually hollywood has a way of no longer hiring them. For example, Mary Elizabeth Masterantonio,Val Kilmer (who went on a long hiatus until his ego came back down) and Madalene Stowe.

I think the difference between the Duke (at the time he was a raging nut) and lets say Val Kilmer, is simply the studios made a concious choice to allowed Wayne to keep working andto KEEP his name in the spot lite. The spin masters at could USE his temper for their gain. It probably to help bring IN the crowds.

Meanwhile, the idea that someone like Kilmer has flown into a rage and become difficult on set only annoyed american audiences. Sort of a how dare they, who do they think they are attitude. He didn't have that tough guy role to back up his demeanor. The studios didn't need his crap (he was big, but there were others) AND playing up the stories wouldn't help him, so they walked away. And Kilmer ended up sitting on the sideline until he could learn how to play nice (which he's better, but they still haven't given him very large roles).

So really i think the legends behind the Duke's fits are true AND false. I think he was a bit of a pain in the ass, but i think they suped it up because no matter how big you are, MGM's president is BIGGER and is going to get sick and tired of you knocking out his directors and having people refuse to work with you.

I think the difference between how some actors are tolerated and some are not is perception. Kilmer is an actor's actor and a pretty boy. People expect more professionalism from him and tolerate less attitude. It could be argued that John Wayne never acted a day in his life and just played himself onscreen. He was a tough-guy...and when he was pissed about something he reverted to type. You knew he was a tiger when you tried to tame him so how can you be surprised you got bit?

The world has lots of talented, pretty actors. There aren't alot of John Waynes.

About Eastwood...people keep citing the "Man with No Name" and I don't think that was his best or most dangerous character. Josey Wales or the disappearing lawman in High Plains Drifter are his two best characters IMO. The ending in High Plains Drifter still gives me chills every time I see it.

[lakcoo2u]

Clint's the man. He made me wanna be a cowboy. Besides, Wayne's a racist -_- from what I've heard.

- Lak

[Set Abominae]

I'm bias to Eastwood seeing as I've seen almost every movie he's ever been in, and only seen a couple John Wayne flicks. But as I remember it took nuclear bombs to kill Wayne and thats impressive for so many different reasons.

[Newt]

Slim Pickens all the way.

Waitaminnit, that's not a choice...

I can't decide. Eastwood's spaghetti westerns were great, but he pretty much played a parody of himself for a long time after that- culminating in Heartbreak Ridge (I like the flick, but Clint is way over-the-top in it). But then I like Million Dollar Baby and Mystic River- and their scores. I don't believe Mr. Wayne ever showed that kind of multi-faceted creativity.

On the other hand- John Wayne is an icon of the first order. He transcends his roles. He is The Duke. I can't think of another actor with the kind of presence, on screen or in the national consciousness, that Wayne possesses. He is up there with Superman, Mickey Mouse, Marilyn Monroe, and Elvis as mid-century pop deities. It doesn't matter what you think of their actual work, that's not what's important about them- their celebrity has its own life.

So- I vote for both. See if I don't!

[Newt]

I didn't mean to kill it, honest!

[Wild&Uncouth]

John Wayne is fat and dead. Clint Eastwood is Dirty Harry and alive, and two or more Gorillaz songs make direct references to him.
CLINT WINS.