Batman vs Wolverine!

[fatmancomics]

You knew it had to happen eventualy. This is the battle that everyone wants to see and no one at the same time because neither side really wants their hero to go down. The be all and end all of DC vs the be all and end all of Marvel.
Batman currently appears in a gazillion DC titles while Wolverine manages to do the same over at Marvel.
My choice? Wolverine. Logic states that the mad furball can withstand pretty much any attack that Batman throws his way with the exception of a nuclear blast. His healing factor has completely healed him from third degree burns throughout his body in mere seconds and we all know that his bones just can't be broken. Plus, he's spent more time training in Japan than the Dark Knight ever has and has come back from the dead at least once that I'm sure of. This is no mere man in armor or blind guy with radar sense. I think this time, the flying rat has met his match.

[Teratophile]

;) Batman would fight wolverine once. Wolverine would know who batman was under the cowl because of his keen sense of smell, wolverine would pop his metal claws, wolverine would heal, and wolverine would show some skill in martial arts. Batman would notice all of these things. Batman would find some way to escape.

Next time they fight, Immediately military grade gas grenades will be utilized to throw off wolverine’s hyper senses. High voltage tazer would come into play. The metal that laces wolverine’s bones would act as a conductor, frying wolverine. OH batman figured that wolverine’s bones aren’t osseous because as they fought the first time wolverine is far heavier then his 5’3 frame would allow. The metal claws popping a sheath would wear out bone overtime so he assumes that if the forearm sheaths are metal so is the rest of his framework. If wolverine wasnt incapacitated from the violent electroshock, wolverine most likely would be pissed.

So as wolverine is thrashing about from the disorientation of the shock, and the gases. (Not utilizing all those years of material training because he falls to a bzerker rage) batman tosses some sort of sticky material at wolverines face. The material permeates over wolverine’s head tenaciously until it cuts off his breathing supply. Wolverine is done and batman has some nasty booboos

[fatmancomics]

But for your plan to work, Batman has to get away...

[Teratophile]

But for your plan to work, Batman has to get away...

well batman has a remote batmobile, gaspowered grappling-hook, agility, diversionary techniques,...and me giving wolverine the benefit of the doubt. why wouldnt brucey get away? ha im sure i could think of a way for batman to beat him the first time around.


oh sidenote, i've always wanted to write/illustrate a Batman/xmen cross over. anyone interested?

[WillTurner]

Wolverine, complete git as he is, I must admit would win. He would then walk around until the end of time, smoking cigars and generations to come would say how badass he is. But an old man wearing a Norwich City scarf would look back and say "He's a complete git."

[theycallmemisterbob]

Notice, in order to beat Batman, they have to throw one freak after another at him. It's sad and pathetic. LOVE THE BAT!!!

[xadrian]

No, just one.

http://www.canoe.ca/BatmanImages/bane2.jpg

And all he did was shoot up. ;)

[Logan]

never underestimate a juicer. never.


http://cyberesque.net/images/arnie.jpg


don't forget wolvie has been subjected to a super soldier program himself.he was basically canada's answer to captain america. he's a mutant beserker who was then experimented on for years. if that isn't enough he's a samurai too.

i don't like it, but i bet he wins.

[fatmancomics]

Notice, in order to beat Batman, they have to throw one freak after another at him. It's sad and pathetic. LOVE THE BAT!!!

Come on, you knew it was leading to this. I don't know why there was any time wasted on Batman vs Shellhead or Batman vs the Handicapped...
These are the two you really wanted to see.:D

[acosby]

Batman would win. He'd easily outsmart Wolvie and he's by far the better fighter. Wolverine is sloppy, thats why he needs that healing factor. If wolvie didn't have the healing factor he never would have gotten anywhere because he gets hurt more than any other hero out there. So I'd go with the first scenario of batman figuring it out then setting up the perfect scenario for a rematch.

[bbbearcounty]

Batman would win. He'd easily outsmart Wolvie and he's by far the better fighter. Wolverine is sloppy, thats why he needs that healing factor. If wolvie didn't have the healing factor he never would have gotten anywhere because he gets hurt more than any other hero out there. So I'd go with the first scenario of batman figuring it out then setting up the perfect scenario for a rematch.

Usually, Wolverine puts his neck out because others won't.
His healing factor is an advantage, giving Wolverine the upper
hand. Yes, Batman is smart and he would probably hurt Wolverine
like woah, however when it comes down to it Logan is holding the indestructible
body. It just comes down to whose stronger.

[TGping]

Actually I think everyone is tired of batman vs anybody, or wolverine vs. anybody.

[fatmancomics]

Wrong Sir, You Are Wrong!

[TGping]

Actually you will find a great many people agree that wolverine and batman are becoming tired, overused, and cliched characters. But nearly every character in the marvel or DC universe is becoming so.

[The unknown artist]

Batman would win. He'd easily outsmart Wolvie and he's by far the better fighter. Wolverine is sloppy, thats why he needs that healing factor. If wolvie didn't have the healing factor he never would have gotten anywhere because he gets hurt more than any other hero out there. So I'd go with the first scenario of batman figuring it out then setting up the perfect scenario for a rematch.
I'm guessing you haven't read any Wolverine issues between #75 and 90 after he got his adamantium ripped out and his healing factor maxed out.

[thEbrEEze]

oh my god! I don't care how how equipped batman is he's going down. I don't care how overused he is. Wolvy will go nuts on him. He's a killer through and through.

[acosby]

So wolvie got lucky for a few issues while his healing factor was conked out, he still fights sloppy when he knows its there. he's really just a brawler, a highly trained brawler, but a bawler none the less. He is dependant on his healing factor and that is a weakness.
Batman is a precision guy who trains nonstop to have no weknesses and learn best how to exploit those of others. He could easily last long enough to figure out that the dammage he's doing on wolvie is not sticking. from there it would be easy to escape him via ropes and such. No can move like Batman. He'd easily out run him then hunt him down when he had a final solution set up to take care of him.
This is assuming a city fight.
If it was in the forest or an open field or something where Batman couldn't ecxercise the better part of valor I do agree that Wolvie would win.

[Logan]

run away? how can you run away from a guy with a nose like a bloodhound? wolverine is tireless. sure, dish out huge amounts of punishment, he can take it and by the time your exhausted from wailing on him he'll unceremoniously slip a claw in your spleen. i'd love for batman to win, but if a predator almost had his ass, you can bet that wolverine would take him down.

[Trilogy]

I hate to do this...

Just because Wolverine lost his adamantium, had his healing factor maxed out and was able to throw down in a less sloppier manner than his previous adamantium days, doesn't mean he's a better fighter than Batman. Personally, I think Batman has much better fighting skills. I'm not going to count out Batman again, because he owns too many victories over too many characters who he had no business even standing a chance against (most noteably Superman). Batman has taken plenty of thrashings, but I'd rather count Wolverine out than Batman. I'll leave it at that, because no matter what scenarios any of us throw out there, a fan of the opposing character will just attempt negate the scenario(s) and we'll be debating this forever. Besides, this won't be the last Batman vs. Wolverine thread.

[InkDrop]

Hulk rips Wolverine in TWO and he keeps truckn. You think some rich freak with a facination for boys in spandex stands a chance.
....mmkkkaaayyy.... :p

[Huerta]

Actually you will find a great many people agree that wolverine and batman are becoming tired, overused, and cliched characters. But nearly every character in the marvel or DC universe is becoming so.


huzzuh!!!!!

[acosby]

Don't be bringin' in the whole pedohpelia thing dude. Wolvie doesn't come up to good on that issue either. We all remember his weirdy relationship with an underage Jubilee.
And about the wolverine as blood hound thing he can only get your sent if he can find it. that's why I'm saying in a city scenario Batman would easily get away because how could you realistically track someone in a roof top to roof top situation?
I'm giving you a wolvie win on any sort of rural battle ground but if it comes to an urban setting Batman has the undisputed home turf advantage.

I don't even know why I'm still argueing this I'm pretty sick of Batman fights... who's got some one new and interesting to fight. like green arrow vs. hawk eye or green lantern vs. darkseid or something random like constantine vs. snapper car.

[NickRocks]

;) Batman would fight wolverine once. Wolverine would know who batman was under the cowl because of his keen sense of smell, wolverine would pop his metal claws, wolverine would heal, and wolverine would show some skill in martial arts. Batman would notice all of these things. Batman would find some way to escape.

Next time they fight, Immediately military grade gas grenades will be utilized to throw off wolverine’s hyper senses. High voltage tazer would come into play. The metal that laces wolverine’s bones would act as a conductor, frying wolverine. OH batman figured that wolverine’s bones aren’t osseous because as they fought the first time wolverine is far heavier then his 5’3 frame would allow. The metal claws popping a sheath would wear out bone overtime so he assumes that if the forearm sheaths are metal so is the rest of his framework. If wolverine wasnt incapacitated from the violent electroshock, wolverine most likely would be pissed.

So as wolverine is thrashing about from the disorientation of the shock, and the gases. (Not utilizing all those years of material training because he falls to a bzerker rage) batman tosses some sort of sticky material at wolverines face. The material permeates over wolverine’s head tenaciously until it cuts off his breathing supply. Wolverine is done and batman has some nasty booboos
there would be no second fight.....wolverine would get batman as he was trying to run back to the batcave.

[smygba]

This thread cracks me up.

If they fought, they'd fight to a stalemate considering they're both invincible................unless..... ¬_¬

Batman being the ultimate martial artist in his universe and having more tactical nouse then the entire US military combined would stalemate Wolverine's recovery powers and the fact that he too, is like the greatest fighter in the marvel universe. So they'd fight, and fight, and then you'd think this was a DBZ show cos thats how long the fight would be, and sometime, later when Batman had aged considerably and Wolverine remained youthful thanks to his mutant powers would eventually win by simply outliving his opponent.

[Logan]

This thread cracks me up.

If they fought, they'd fight to a stalemate considering they're both invincible................unless..... ¬_¬

Batman being the ultimate martial artist in his universe and having more tactical nouse then the entire US military combined would stalemate Wolverine's recovery powers and the fact that he too, is like the greatest fighter in the marvel universe. So they'd fight, and fight, and then you'd think this was a DBZ show cos thats how long the fight would be, and sometime, later when Batman had aged considerably and Wolverine remained youthful thanks to his mutant powers would eventually win by simply outliving his opponent.


hahaha.. i vote for the guy who said this. he wins.

[Teratophile]

there would be no second fight.....wolverine would get batman as he was trying to run back to the batcave.

batman has snuck up and dissapeared on superman. wolverine is no superman.

(I love wolverine btw.)

[NickRocks]

does superman have supersmell? i think not!

[Captain All That]

does superman have supersmell? i think not!

and with all that rubbery leather type stuff batman wears... it has to have a smell. the fact that this thread went past page one is ridiculous...

and someone mentioned punisher stoping wolverine... You actually said that as if Batman could whoop the Punisher... he can't... Punisher would blow batmans head off! Don't compare a strawberry to the punisher.:p

[WillTurner]

"THe Punisher"= Dolph Lungdren. Rocky beat Dolph Lundren. Therefore Rocky would beat Batman (Just taking this to its logical conclusion)

[Trilogy]

Let's take it even further. Daredevil has beaten the tar out of Punisher in the span of just a few pages. Daredevil can't take Batman, but he can beat the Punisher who has been said to be able to take out Wolverine, which must mean that Daredevil can also take Wolverine and Apollo Creed, and all of whom would lose to Batman using the Penciljack fanboy addition and subtraction logic.

[smygba]

Let's take it even further. Daredevil has beaten the tar out of Punisher in the span of just a few pages. Daredevil can't take Batman, but he can beat the Punisher who has been said to be able to take out Wolverine, which must mean that Daredevil can also take Wolverine and Apollo Creed, and all of whom would lose to Batman using the Penciljack fanboy addition and subtraction logic.
You've never read the Punisher story where he kills the whole Marvel Universe in 48 pages. The speed with which he takes down some heroes begs the question what magical bullets was he using?

[Trilogy]

Magic bullets? Not sure. It was just the magic pen of an Irish scribe who always attempts to make superheroes look silly every chance he gets.

And so now the Preacher cult and the Hitman cult will combine and stop at nothing until they kill me for making such a post.

[The unknown artist]

When Garth Ennis writes the Punisher he can beat anyone.

[Trilogy]

You know it, bro (Philly, stand up). Between Hitman and Punisher, Ennis has really written some ridiculous scenes involving said vigilantes and various superheroes they've encountered. Most of those scenes really favor the vigilantes while making the superheroes look silly. Most comics that were written by Ennis involving a vigilante versus superhero showdown cannot be taken as any type of serious reference material in debates on whether or not one character can take another. I'm sorry, Hitman and Punisher fans. Please don't hurt me.

[WillTurner]

He's called "Punisher". I reckon he's compensating for something...

[cabralsoth]

if it was too the death it would be wolverine, and this is why... batman always gets caught somehow by villains all the time, but the reason why he wins in the end is because they let him live long enough to tell him their plans, and give him just enough time to figure a way out of their devious trap and stop em, where as wolvie would lobotomize him 'SNIKT'!!!

[Teratophile]

does superman have supersmell? i think not!




i cant seem to delete this post. jebus!

[Teratophile]

does superman have supersmell? i think not!

http://www.siu.edu/~ivcfsiuc/staff_large_pics/big_tye%20wolverine.jpg

“Superman possesses extraordinary powers which render him, as stated in the lead-in to the 1950s television series, "faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound". Superman's famous arsenal of powers include flight, vast super strength and invulnerability, super speed, vision powers (including x-ray, heat, telescopic, infra-red, and microscopic vision), super photographic memory, super hearing and super breath, which inables him to freeze objects by blowing on them. There are no known limits to Superman's strength, though his sense of modesty and fairness may serve as a mental block to ever knowing the true limits of his abilities”

those certainly overcompensate for lack of heightened smell.

If Batman has beaten/and dissapeared on superman in regular continutity and alternate realities…its safe to surmise that beating/disapearing on wolverine is more then a possiblity.

But to be fair …Im pretty sure wolverine can beat bats if they were naked in a room with no doors.

[NickRocks]

that picture is BRILLIANT

[ielle77]

are you kidding me.

Wolverine baby. Wolverine http://static.flickr.com/43/84708312_676f0f06e9_o.jpg

how can anyone take THAT furrowed brow on (it took me FOREVER to get his angry face just so). No matter what deep angst old brucey has over losing his parents and waaa. waaaa being a milionare... Wolvie has had it worse and he likes it that way. His claws would trash Batman.

So Batman knows martial arts.

Even Bruce Lee (whom i adore) got his a$$ kicked in a street fight. :D

[jack_of_asses]

as soon as you add batman to one of these hypothetical battles you always get these bat fanatics who say "he always finds a way'' even if he were going up against the beyonder, or the hyper center of a nuclear blast, or the core of the sun. the answer is always the same " he's batman nuff' said" if only i had these people as math teachers then i would pass no problem by simply writing batman for every answer. when you say batman doesn't stand a chance to these people they get bent out of shape like you just said "jesus was black to a mormon'' logically the fight would end with bats getting eviserated and choked with his own intestines.

[Wade8813]

Batman probably would lose - for one reason, and one reason only; Wolvie's healing factor. That said, Cadaver gave an example that seems realistic of Batman winning.

[Manji]

Batman wins.

[theycallmemisterbob]

as soon as you add batman to one of these hypothetical battles you always get these bat fanatics who say "he always finds a way'' even if he were going up against the beyonder, or the hyper center of a nuclear blast, or the core of the sun. the answer is always the same " he's batman nuff' said" if only i had these people as math teachers then i would pass no problem by simply writing batman for every answer. when you say batman doesn't stand a chance to these people they get bent out of shape like you just said "jesus was black to a mormon'' logically the fight would end with bats getting eviserated and choked with his own intestines.

We fanboys say that Batman will always find a way, because he always has. Our opinions are based on decades of experience with this character. We get 'out of shape' as you say, because such hypothesises make no sense, especially if they completely disregard's Batman's history.

The last time this discussion came up, I drew this. (http://home.comcast.net/~rsredding/lovethebat2.jpg) Not to pimp my own lame artwork. But this discussion keeps popping up, and I get tired of explaining over and over again why Batman can't lose, so I'm going let the Paint do the talking.

[dfbovey]

I think this image (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/27629693/?qo=57&q=by%3Awya&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps)sums it up nicely.

[theycallmemisterbob]

I think this image (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/27629693/?qo=57&q=by%3Awya&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps)sums it up nicely.

To which I reply: Pffft!

[dxdragon]

Logan spanks Batman.

Besides the healing factor..you got claws that slice and dice, unbreakable bones, enhanced senses, enhanced strength, and enhanced durability. Batman is human and has human limits. Logan does not.

[Huerta]

Logan spanks Batman.

Besides the healing factor..you got claws that slice and dice, unbreakable bones, enhanced senses, enhanced strength, and enhanced durability. Batman is human and has human limits. Logan does not.

Not only that but Logan was a top assassin and has about 200 yrs. of experience. Screw the writers, I'm just going off on their abilities. Logan for the win.

[Wade8813]

Besides the healing factor..you got claws that slice and dice, unbreakable bones, enhanced senses, enhanced strength, and enhanced durability. Batman is human and has human limits. Logan does not. They're probably about equal in strength. And besides the healing factor, I'd go with Batman over Wolverine in endurance.


Not only that but Logan was a top assassin and has about 200 yrs. of experience. Screw the writers, I'm just going off on their abilities. Logan for the win. I'm pretty sure Logan hasn't been around quite that long. Besides, he's forgotten more than he remembers.

Also, Batman received better training, and was much more focused on the training.

[Huerta]

They're probably about equal in strength. And besides the healing factor, I'd go with Batman over Wolverine in endurance.

I'm pretty sure Logan hasn't been around quite that long. Besides, he's forgotten more than he remembers.

He got his memories back and he was born in the 1800's. 100 -200 yrs.old whatever. Wolverine is stronger due to his laced skeleton and he can fight for a long while because of his healing factor.

[Screamus]

I always hear the same story from more "open minded" batman fans.

1: wolverine would win.
2: batman would plan a stragety (like he always does)
3: Batman would come back and mess up wolverine.

People forget wolverine is a KILLER.
Oh sure, batman learned every martial art on the planet before he was 40 (which I think is BS), but wolverine has like....150 years fighting experience (or somethin' right? How old is he?).

[Dri]

I'd have to agree that as smart as Batman is, in terms of combat experience Wolverine has a decade of fighting experience. Even with Wolverine having average intelligence I'd be fearful of the person who'd kill. There is no reasoning with a killer nor could you anticipate his moves because it's instinct. Survival and combat is not a game of chess.

[Wade8813]

He got his memories back and he was born in the 1800's. 100 -200 yrs.old whatever. Wolverine is stronger due to his laced skeleton and he can fight for a long while because of his healing factor. Oh really? Interesting. Good to know.


I always hear the same story from more "open minded" batman fans.

1: wolverine would win.
2: batman would plan a stragety (like he always does)
3: Batman would come back and mess up wolverine.

People forget wolverine is a KILLER.
Oh sure, batman learned every martial art on the planet before he was 40 (which I think is BS), but wolverine has like....150 years fighting experience (or somethin' right? How old is he?). Wolverine is SOMETIMES a killer. Other times, he takes after his buddy Chuck, and doesn't. Also, Batman has fought against literally hundreds of people who are killers. That fact doesn't make it impossible for him to escape.

And while it is a bit of a stretch, remember that Batman 1) started young, 2) is naturally skilled, 3) is rich enough to hire the best teachers (including, apparently, Lady Shiva and David Cain), and 4) is more motivated and determined than just about anyone ever.


There is no reasoning with a killer nor could you anticipate his moves because it's instinct. Survival and combat is not a game of chess. Actually, unless Wolvie's gone berserker, Bats probably could reason with him. Also, Wolverine doesn't fight purely on instinct, unless he lets the rage take control. He generally uses his decades of experience.

I'm not sure, but I believe a skilled enough fighter could still discern patterns in fighting style even in someone fighting by instinct. Animals that (presumably) fight based on instinct often have patterns that you can learn about, and counter. Survival and combat are much like chess - you anticipate the opponent's moves, and act accordingly.

[dxdragon]

They're probably about equal in strength. And besides the healing factor, I'd go with Batman over Wolverine in endurance.

I'm pretty sure Logan hasn't been around quite that long. Besides, he's forgotten more than he remembers.

Also, Batman received better training, and was much more focused on the training.

Batman is not as strong as Wolverine. He's metaclass or enhanced strength. His endurance comes from his healing factor and he can go for days befor feeling fatigue. I don't care how much training a writer can come up with...Batman will never be able to last as long as wolverine.

Better training...so what and according to whom...his writers?

Batman looses big time.

[theycallmemisterbob]

Batman is the embodiment of an ideal - Batman = Justice, and Justice Always Prevails. Ipso facto.

[Wade8813]

Batman is not as strong as Wolverine. He's metaclass or enhanced strength. His endurance comes from his healing factor and he can go for days befor feeling fatigue. I don't care how much training a writer can come up with...Batman will never be able to last as long as wolverine.

Better training...so what and according to whom...his writers?

Batman looses big time. When doing the exact same physical activities, Batman can't last as long as Wolverine, but the whole point is Batman wouldn't try to beat Wolverine at Wolverine's own game. He does things his way.

And yes, Batman has better training according to his writers. Just like it's according to Wolverine's writers that Wolverine has a healing factor.

[Huerta]

He has more than just a healing factor

From wiki:
During his time in Japan and other countries, Wolverine becomes a master of virtually all forms of martial arts and fighting, both armed and unarmed; as a samurai, he is especially skilled in the use of the katana. He can also use nearly all types of weapons, traditional or modern, long or close range. He has a wide knowledge of the body and pressure points.[29]He is also an accomplished pilot and highly skilled in the field of espionage and covert operations.
Wolverine sometimes lapses into a "berserker rage" while in close combat. In this state he lashes out with the intensity and aggression of a mindless animal and is more resistant to psionic attack.[30] Though this quality has sometimes saved the life of his allies, as well as himself, he has frequently expressed shame concerning it as he strives to be a purely civilized and honorable warrior.
Though seemingly brutish, Wolverine is actually highly intelligent. Due to his increased lifespan, he has traveled the world and amassed an intimate knowledge of foreign languages and cultures. He is fluent in English, Japanese, Russian, Chinese, Cheyenne, Spanish, and Lakota; he also has some knowledge of French, Thai, Vietnamese, and German.[31]
When Forge monitors Wolverine's vitals during a Danger Room training session, he calls Logan's physical and mental state "equivalent of an Olympic-level gymnast performing a gold medal routine while simultaneously beating four chess computers in his head."[3

:)

[Wade8813]

Wolverine's fairly smart, but I've never seen him do anything particularly impressive in that area.

[Dri]

Well if it was Christian Bale vs Hugh Jackman, he'd kick Jackman's ass, even if it was the Machinist vs Peter Allen ;P. That looks like a Bats win *yawn*.

[CamiloNascimento]

Ok , this thread has grabbed my interest and I must bring this point to the table :

obviously, it seems that both Bats and Wolvie are tough and could potentially inflict a fairly serious wound on each other.

Missing point (and I find it crucial to this argument) : Why do they fight? this is important becauuuuuuuse , both Bats and Wolvie have integrity. They only fight when needed, and they only get really really pissed when provoked. But both would rather keep cool (as far as i have ever read...) most of the time.
In this light, in order to decide "who would win , Batman vs. Wolverine" I've got to decide on the scenario first. Would one of them be hunting the other for some revenge? If Bat were hunting down Wolvie that's completely different then Wolvie hunting down Bats. Is there a woman involved? .......
.....It's just so far-fetched that these 2 would have at it ,
so i think the circumstances are a major part of the possible advantage..... do you see what I'm saying ?

my point again : WHY they fight will determine who will come out ontop, ultimately ....

any ideas?

[CamiloNascimento]

geez,, no takers...

well, here's an idea:

Wolverine suddenly needs to kill the Joker.
Joker's all screwed up again and takin it out on innocent lives .... well, this time, he kills a woman that Logan was just getting fond of.
Problem is, before killing this woman that Logan just was geting close to, Joker kidnapped and tied up Commissioner Gordon's Daughter (yes, the B-Girl) , but Bats doesn't know where in Gotham she is. And Bats needs to know where she's trapped to save her from starvation or worse. Well, Bats needs to interrogate Joker, force it out of him.
But wait, who's this, a Wolverine is pissed.
seriously. Wants nothing more than to kill the Joker.
Well, old smiley-face has a little trap set (much like X-Men's Arcade), puttin Bats and Wolvie in a crazy labyrinth, against each other. Bats needing to get to Joker alive, to find out where BatGirl is stashed, and Wolvie ready to tear down any person in his way to get to Joker for ruthlessly killing a girl he was getting all tender with just a couple days ago........
now,
who would "win"?

Wolverine would do what he needed and go to a pub afterwards.
both batman and joker long gone.


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But,
if Wolverine, in one of his berseker streaks, slashed an innocent woman trying to get out of his way, during some complicated fight scene, and then this woman (someone Bruce Wayne was just becoming fond of), she become fatally wounded by this ridiculously angry Wolverine, out of control, reckless...
well, then Bruce , ole Bats, would be really pissed at Wolvie and nothing would get in his way to plan out a wise trap to ensnare and forever incinerate Wolverine, Logan, admantium bones and all..... no questions asked.

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my point: they both have the potential to beat the other.
depends on the origin of the battle.
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you got another scenario that explains otherwise?

[dxdragon]

Ok , this thread has grabbed my interest and I must bring this point to the table :

obviously, it seems that both Bats and Wolvie are tough and could potentially inflict a fairly serious wound on each other.

Missing point (and I find it crucial to this argument) : Why do they fight? this is important becauuuuuuuse , both Bats and Wolvie have integrity. They only fight when needed, and they only get really really pissed when provoked. But both would rather keep cool (as far as i have ever read...) most of the time.
In this light, in order to decide "who would win , Batman vs. Wolverine" I've got to decide on the scenario first. Would one of them be hunting the other for some revenge? If Bat were hunting down Wolvie that's completely different then Wolvie hunting down Bats. Is there a woman involved? .......
.....It's just so far-fetched that these 2 would have at it ,
so i think the circumstances are a major part of the possible advantage..... do you see what I'm saying ?

my point again : WHY they fight will determine who will come out ontop, ultimately ....

any ideas?


It doesn't matter...Wolverine wins on shear power and capabilities.

It's easy...Superman vs Wolverine....Wolverine looses

but Batman vs Wolverine...Bats doesn't stand a chance except for the bullshit responses Batman fans have.

[saint manji]

It's bullshit that got Bush elected to presidency.
And it's bullshit that's gonna give Batman the win.

[Wade8813]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Batman will win.

Wolverine has three advantages over Batman - his healing factor, his adamantium, and his senses. His healing factor is only an advantage in a long, drawn out battle. The adamantium on his bones protects them from being broken, and allows him to hit a little harder. The adamantium claws are a big factor, but aren't any more effective than a sword, which Batman has faced countless times. And the enhanced senses are only effective in tracking Batman.

None of Wolverine's advantages allow him to quickly eliminate Batman. In a long, slow battle, Batman will probably have a good sense of what Wolverine is capable of. Then, he can use one of his many means of escaping (grappling lines, gas grenades, C4/plastique explosives in the eyes, summoning the batmobile/batplane, etc), and he can then try to figure out a way to handle Wolverine.

There are probably a few ways he could handle Wolverine with a lot of planning (without calling in help from other characters - if we allow that, then I think we all agree that Superman can handle things). The first idea that comes to mind is shooting Wolverine with literally thousands of elephant tranqs. Then, hook up a constant stream of traquilizers to keep him under. Then, strap him to a missile, and launch him straight at the sun.

[Huerta]

YEah, Bats would still lose.

[Teratophile]

remember when punisher bashed wolverine in the nuts, blew off his face and rolled him over with a steamroller?

yeah. batman can handle it.

[sadman2000]

;) Batman would fight wolverine once. Wolverine would know who batman was under the cowl because of his keen sense of smell, wolverine would pop his metal claws, wolverine would heal, and wolverine would show some skill in martial arts. Batman would notice all of these things. Batman would find some way to escape.

Next time they fight, Immediately military grade gas grenades will be utilized to throw off wolverine’s hyper senses. High voltage tazer would come into play. The metal that laces wolverine’s bones would act as a conductor, frying wolverine. OH batman figured that wolverine’s bones aren’t osseous because as they fought the first time wolverine is far heavier then his 5’3 frame would allow. The metal claws popping a sheath would wear out bone overtime so he assumes that if the forearm sheaths are metal so is the rest of his framework. If wolverine wasnt incapacitated from the violent electroshock, wolverine most likely would be pissed.

So as wolverine is thrashing about from the disorientation of the shock, and the gases. (Not utilizing all those years of material training because he falls to a bzerker rage) batman tosses some sort of sticky material at wolverines face. The material permeates over wolverine’s head tenaciously until it cuts off his breathing supply. Wolverine is done and batman has some nasty booboos

Reallllllllllllllllll maaaaaaaaaaaaaan of genuis!!

man those are great commercials!!

[Wade8813]

YEah, Bats would still lose. How? Wolverine's advantages aren't overwhelming, unless Batman allows them to be so.

[Huerta]

Wolverine is a killing machine with 100+ yrs. of experience. Batman is a 30 something yr. old rich guy who has a lot of training. Batman only has gadgets and his brain; so of course that means he can take down everyone in the DC and Marvel universe, right?

And out of all the comic characters to be written and made up, Batman is the most ridiculous one.

[nolanjwerner]

No contest at all.

Wolverine would win the fight if it was a hand to hand slugfest.

The trouble is that this kind of fight would negate all of Batman's strengths.

Batman has enough technology and intellect that he'd watch Wolverine, realize he couldn't win like that so he would spend his time looking for a weakness. And when that didn't work, he'd get a sample of his DNA and find a way to kill him through that.

[Teratophile]

Both characters have done ridiculous things in comics. So whatever. Its up to the writer. Its hard for me to see wolverine winning against batman…. especially after the tower of Babel storyline. No one is out of batman’s asswupping league after that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLA:_Tower_of_Babel

I mean Batman can lure wolverine into an area that could be heavily magnetized via remote. When the trap is set wolverine is frozen in place by the electromagnet, batman would build a vat around wolverine. Batman would fill the vat up to wolverine’s head with a choice of Nitric, hydrochloric, or sulfuric acids. Wolverine’s tendons, and muscles break down and fruitlessly try to rebuild. Wolverine can’t slash around if his body mechanics arent functioning.

Something like that would be easy for batman.

[Huerta]

I read that storyline and I thought it was whack. I'll accept Wolverine can doing crazy shit because he has powers, Batman is just human. Each JLA member could rape Batman but the writers write them like p#$$!es.

And youre assuming Batman has done his HW on Wolverine; we're talking about these 2 meeting in an alley and start fighting for whatever reason.

[CamiloNascimento]

And youre assuming Batman has done his HW on Wolverine; we're talking about these 2 meeting in an alley and start fighting for whatever reason.


which brings me back to my point .....
are we talkin' the 2 of them just meeting in an alley and start fighting for whatever reason ?
that "whatever" reason is too far-fetched for me to grasp b/c both of them have never fought for no reason.. only when provoked.. the background as to who provoked who and why determines the outcome.
sorry but i had to repeat myself and bring this point fwd again in this Batman vs. Wolverine argument. For the sake of the integrity of 2 great, in my opinion, mythological characters i grew up reading.

[Teratophile]

I read that storyline and I thought it was whack. I'll accept Wolverine can doing crazy shit because he has powers, Batman is just human. Each JLA member could rape Batman but the writers write them like p#$$!es.

And youre assuming Batman has done his HW on Wolverine; we're talking about these 2 meeting in an alley and start fighting for whatever reason.

Yeah tower of bable is wack.:rolleyes:

Ill accept batman doing crazy shit cause he's a comic book character. A peak human comic character. One who has beaten powder-kegs in his respective continuity. As well as out of continuity. Wolverine isn’t a powder keg.

Why can make an assumption that batman has done his homework? I don’t think the starter of this thread was specific on how and when they fight. I’m also making assumptions based on the character. It isn’t in batman’s character to fight straight up. Even in an alley I could think of a hundred scenarios where batman wins and any writer could.

So Aztek make another thread and title it “if batman and wolverine fought in an alley, with batman naked and going against his character…. who would win?”

Even then ill come in and be like…just as wolverine tries to land a killing blow batman turns over on his stomach and pops a suppository that keeps in his ass. It’s filled with scarecrows fear gas. Before wolverines healing factor can counter the gas he’s rolling on the floor crying…recalling when he killed his first love rose. Then batman gets up digs in the dumpster for a metal coat hanger and removes wolverines brain Egyptian style.

[Huerta]

You actually think Wolverine would let Batman run to his cave to study wolverine? Fights dont work that way. theyre random and a lot of the times both fighters are unprepared. I'm going with the guy who was made to kill and not the rich emo guy. Thats it for me.

[CamiloNascimento]

okay,
but never have i read either batman or wolverine in a 'random' fight. they just don't fight unless provoked...

[Teratophile]

Batman could study wolverine as wolverine is attacking him. Its just observation. like he usually does with people he fights. He doesn’t need to be in the cave.

Its against batman’s character not to be atleast somewhat prepared and it is in batman’s character to get prepared quickly. He’s the epitome of resourcefulness. i mean the man is a human...in a world of superhumans...alot of which want to kill him. why wouldnt he be overly prepared?

I go with the guy who is peak human in both fighting and intelligence and who has unlimited resources…and not the guy, who in almost every fight (despite his martial arts training) leaps chest first, arms stretched into it.

http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine154.jpg leaving himself all open.

I’m done too because a lot of logical conclusions cannot argue against just because.

[dxdragon]

God vs Batman

Batman wins cause he's studied God. I mean he's read everything there is to God and he's prepared himself. No matter how Omnipotent God is...he'd still loose, because Bats has had time to prepare.

[Teratophile]

there is no god. batman wins again.

[Deth]

Batman wins because he's batman. I believe if the world was being invaded by 10 million aliens somehow Batman would stop em all by himself.

Wolverine always ALWAYS gets his ass beat in every fight the first time he fights someone. Wolverine is a lot like Manji from Blade of the Immortal.

He always gets sliced up and the only reason he wins is cause he cant die.

[sadman2000]

Batman wins because he's batman. I believe if the world was being invaded by 10 million aliens somehow Batman would stop em all by himself.

Wolverine always ALWAYS gets his ass beat in every fight the first time he fights someone. Wolverine is a lot like Manji from Blade of the Immortal.

He always gets sliced up and the only reason he wins is cause he cant die.

quoting the physical description section under special limitations on wolvie in the marvel select flip mag 1; it reads: "despite the extent of his healing factor, wolverine is not immortal. if the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vitall organs, large amounts of blood oxygen deprivation, and/or loss of physical form, wolverine can die."

ill post a scan if anyone needs to see it.

[Mr.Hades]

Yeah, but in New X-Men, Wolvie is fried by the Sun to the point that all thats left of him are a few charred organs and his skeleton...and he heals from that! By the defintion you have quoted, Wolvie would have been dead long, long ago.

[Teratophile]

Yeah, but in New X-Men, Wolvie is fried by the Sun to the point that all thats left of him are a few charred organs and his skeleton...and he heals from that! By the defintion you have quoted, Wolvie would have been dead long, long ago.


i could have sworn jean grey had a part in wolverines survival in that story.

[Huerta]

Wolverine has been shown recently regenerating all of his bodily tissue, after having it incinerated from his skeleton as a result of being caught in the middle of an explosion caused by Nitro, within a matter of minutes.[15] Wolverine survives the explosion due to the protection his adamantium-laced skull provides to his brain.[16]. It has been stated in the Xavier Protocols, a series of profiles created by Xavier that lists the strengths and weaknesses of the X-Men, that Wolverine's healing factor has been increased to "incredible levels" and that the only way to kill him is to decapitate him and remove his head from the vicinity of his body.

I have that Nitro issue too, grows back everything in a couple of panels.

[Teratophile]

talk about bullshit. ive seen panels drawn where wolverine is drawn moving his metal skeleton without any muscles still on his bone.

people take so many liberties with that characters healing factor.

[Huerta]

I'm just putting down what happened a few months ago.

The fact that just a normal man can take down people like Superman is even more retarded.

[Teratophile]

i saw that issue with nitro. ive also seen issues similar to it in the past. wolverines body is decimated yet he's still moving around slashing at shit with lever-less limbs.

i dont know...yes i think its bullshit that batman has beaten superman. its easier for me to swollow batman beating wolverine.

[Deth]

Blasphemy!!

Batman can beat anyone. Be they Superman or Galactus.
I'm Biased though so my opinion isnt all that valid

[DevonW]

By now we've all seen The Prestige.

Batman for the win.

[dxdragon]

You're right...your opinion doesn't matter.

[Deth]

to be fair lets be honest. none of our opinions really matter.

[Mr.Hades]

i could have sworn jean grey had a part in wolverines survival in that story.

Yeah, I think she did. I think Logan stabs her, and as they are both dying, the Phoenix force takes over Jean and she saves em...or some $hit like that. I have to give praise to stories like The Walking Dead, where you feel every character is in jeopardy and could be killed off any time...and they don't have a healing factor/ Lazarus Pool/Deal with Mephisto to bring em back from the dead...Hell, as far as i'm aware, they broke the gold rule and brought Bucky back. Is nothing sacred?!

[Wade8813]

Wolverine is a killing machine with 100+ yrs. of experience. Batman is a 30 something yr. old rich guy who has a lot of training. Batman only has gadgets and his brain; so of course that means he can take down everyone in the DC and Marvel universe, right? Batman is a master at everything he does, who's more dedicated and determined than almost anyone ever. Wolverine is this crazy, out of control shlub with emotional issues, who is too dependant on his healing factor.

See how easy it is to put a little spin on something?

Besides, while no one will argue that experience is meaningless, it's not all it's cracked up to be either. A large amount of Wolverine's 100+ years was spent doing a lot of the same things over and over again, which doesn't generally help you get better after you've mastered it already. Also, you can go through a situation, but different people will be better at learning from that situation than others are. Two people can go through something, one finds it an invaluable learning experience; the other might be oblivious. I'm not saying Wolverine is likely to be oblivious, but he's not Batman (actually, Wolverine probably IS oblivious, when he's gone berserk).


"Batman only has gadgets... Right. C4 is a gadget. Good one.


I read that storyline and I thought it was whack. I'll accept Wolverine can doing crazy shit because he has powers, Batman is just human. Each JLA member could rape Batman but the writers write them like p#$$!es. What are you smoking? Sure, many of the JLA could beat Batman (I'm fairly sure he could beat Plastic Man or Aquaman any time) in a fair fight. That's why he'd catch them by surprise. In fact, it would make sense for Batman to be able to do far more against some of them - a flamethrower would probably have killed Martian Manhunter. And Batman specifically used a form of Kryptonite that wasn't lethal to Superman.

Do you have a problem with the fact that Lex Luthor is one of Superman's biggest foes? Because Batman is like Luthor, only with way more fighting ability.


You actually think Wolverine would let Batman run to his cave to study wolverine? Fights dont work that way. theyre random and a lot of the times both fighters are unprepared. I'm going with the guy who was made to kill and not the rich emo guy. Thats it for me.
How would Wolverine stop him? He can track pretty well, but he doesn't have grappling hooks. Or a batmobile/batplane. If Batman needs to get out of there, I don't think Wolverine can stop him.


The fact that just a normal man can take down people like Superman is even more retarded.
i dont know...yes i think its bullshit that batman has beaten superman. its easier for me to swollow batman beating wolverine.
Have you guys ever heard of Kryptonite? It has this really weird effect - it can render Superman incapacitated almost immediately, and it doesn’t even affect humans except after extended exposure.


In a fair fight, Batman doesn’t stand a chance. However, since Batman’s not an idiot, he won’t fight fair.

[Mr.Hades]

I'm pretty sure Bats does not have that Kryptonite ring anymore. ;)

I think it was fried by the other Superman in Infinite Crisis...or something

[Huerta]

to be fair lets be honest. none of our opinions really matter.

Do you not know who I am? He must not know who I am...

[Wade8813]

I'm pretty sure Bats does not have that Kryptonite ring anymore.

I think it was fried by the other Superman in Infinite Crisis...or something Two things.
1) Batman did have Kryptonite then, which is when we were talking about him taking out Supes.
2) Batman can create synthetic Kryptonite (and apparently even accelerate its half life, making it affect Supes faster).


Do you not know who I am? He must not know who I am... Ummm... are you Andrew Huerta? That's what it says under your username, and the link in your sig...

[Huerta]

Just flew right by. Here ya go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq0ahGJddY8

And Wade, we're all comic geeks, we know what Batman has done in the comics. You dont have to explain it to us.

[Logan]

with wolverine's powers pumped up the way they have been in the comics recently, batman doesn't stand a chance. if he escapes, and that would be a huge if, wolverine could track him down pretty quickly.

also, it's kind of pointless for people to keep trying to drag wolverine's intelligence through the mud. he may enjoy drinking, fighting and smoking a cigar, but you don't become a samurai or a secret agent by sitting around all day picking your boogers with your bone claws.

he's plenty smart. he's taken down countless foes that are tougher than him because he's a strategist as well. maybe not batman's equal, but damn good in his own right. the older wolverine comics where he's living in madripoor and stuff show this a lot better. he used to have to sneak around and think a lot more when his healing factor wasn't so hot. now that it's supercharged, i'm guessing he doesn't have too many reasons not to just charge in.

[Wade8813]

And Wade, we're all comic geeks, we know what Batman has done in the comics. You dont have to explain it to us. Sure. I was just responding to what was posted.


with wolverine's powers pumped up the way they have been in the comics recently, batman doesn't stand a chance. if he escapes, and that would be a huge if, wolverine could track him down pretty quickly. Wolverine's healing factor could be 1000 times more than it is - that doesn't actually let him kill Batman any better. And it doesn't matter how fast you can track, if the person you're tracking is moving significantly faster than you (again, Batmobile).

[Logan]

Wolverine's healing factor could be 1000 times more than it is - that doesn't actually let him kill Batman any better. And it doesn't matter how fast you can track, if the person you're tracking is moving significantly faster than you (again, Batmobile).

sure it could. doesn't matter what batman does to him, wolverine isn't going to slow down for a second. in the past, you could disembowel him or something and he'd be out of action for at least a day. he was actually worried about getting cut in half by automatic gunfire.

now he doesn't care. set him on fire, blow him up, he'd still come flying through the smoke with flesh regrowing faster than you could blow it off and stab your ass. you have to remember, not only does he have the training and the healing factor and 100+ years of fighting experience he also is stronger and faster than is humanly possible. stronger and faster than human = stronger and faster than batman.

if you look at it objectively, there's no way batman could win. even if somehow he got away, he'd get tracked down in minutes. and i some how doubt his ability to escape with a wolverine up in his face.

[SHAMWOW!]

christian bale beat hugh jackman in the prestige... batman wins;)

[JimLeeforGod]

Damn this thread is a year strong!
Okay BATMAN vs. WOLVERINE!

Who would win?





Depends on which one Jim Lee is drawing at the time!


:D

[Deth]

Batman wins. But!!!! only because halfway through the fight while Wolvie is getting his ass beat left and right which happens in every fight Wolvie gets in. They realize "Your not the guy Im after" then they band together to stop a teamed up grouping of the Joker and Sabertooth in very 80's like fashion. yessir. VS comics always end like that.

[Wade8813]

sure it could. doesn't matter what batman does to him, wolverine isn't going to slow down for a second. in the past, you could disembowel him or something and he'd be out of action for at least a day. he was actually worried about getting cut in half by automatic gunfire. Wolverine might not slow down in the sense that he'll keep coming, but physics still apply to him (to some extent). Explosions can knock him back. Other things might not harm him, but can slow him down.


now he doesn't care. set him on fire, blow him up, he'd still come flying through the smoke with flesh regrowing faster than you could blow it off and stab your ass. you have to remember, not only does he have the training and the healing factor and 100+ years of fighting experience he also is stronger and faster than is humanly possible. stronger and faster than human = stronger and faster than batman. I don't remember ever actually seeing that mentioned in the comics as one of his abilities - being faster and stronger than is humanly possible. Do you have a reference?


if you look at it objectively, there's no way batman could win. even if somehow he got away, he'd get tracked down in minutes. and i some how doubt his ability to escape with a wolverine up in his face. Again, minutes isn't fast enough, if you can't actually catch the person you're tracking. Let's say you are trying to catch me. You know exactly where I'm going (ie even better than tracking), but you're running, and I'm driving a car.

[Huerta]

I don't remember ever actually seeing that mentioned in the comics as one of his abilities - being faster and stronger than is humanly possible. Do you have a reference?
From Wiki

Abilities: Regenerative healing factor,
Slowed aging process,
Retractable bone claws,
Adamantium laced skeletal structure
Superhuman strength, stamina, agility, reflexes, and senses
Resistance to telepathy

[Juan2.0]

Gimme an N...

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What's that spell??? :D

Get back to work, ya slackers. ;)

[Huerta]

Juan, you got more posts than all of us. lol

[Juan2.0]

Juan, you got more posts than all of us. lol That's because I post more art than all of ya! ;) :D

[Wade8813]

From Wiki

Abilities: Regenerative healing factor,
Slowed aging process,
Retractable bone claws,
Adamantium laced skeletal structure
Superhuman strength, stamina, agility, reflexes, and senses
Resistance to telepathy

Sure, and I tend to believe Wiki, but they're not an authoritative site. Does anyone have an example from comic books?

Also, maybe I'm nitpicking, but the term superhuman seems sort of vague to me. I think it could be argued that Batman has superhuman strength, stamina, agility, reflexes, and senses - not that he does more than is humanly possible, but that he is so much better than almost everyone else.

[dxdragon]

Sure, and I tend to believe Wiki, but they're not an authoritative site. Does anyone have an example from comic books?

Also, maybe I'm nitpicking, but the term superhuman seems sort of vague to me. I think it could be argued that Batman has superhuman strength, stamina, agility, reflexes, and senses - not that he does more than is humanly possible, but that he is so much better than almost everyone else.

absolute BS

[Huerta]

Sure, and I tend to believe Wiki, but they're not an authoritative site. Does anyone have an example from comic books?

Also, maybe I'm nitpicking, but the term superhuman seems sort of vague to me. I think it could be argued that Batman has superhuman strength, stamina, agility, reflexes, and senses - not that he does more than is humanly possible, but that he is so much better than almost everyone else.

To make you feel even better, Captain America can also kick Batmans ass.

[dfbovey]

Batman is a regular human. He might be at a higher level than the average joe in terms of strength, speed, agility and what not... but he's still just human.

Wolverine is a mutant, enhanced beyond any human constraints. Batman could train for years and years and never be able to match Wolverine physically.

Batman would have to rely on technology and that would require planning. That's the only way he'd have a chance. But in an unplanned fight, Wolverine would make very short work of Batman. It wouldn't be pretty.

[Teratophile]

Wolverine has been beaten by Elektra and punisher. Neither are better fighters, strategist, or as resourceful as batman. If they can do it...batman can.

Wolverine’s strength isn’t attributed to his mutation. It’s a result of the metal skeleton. It was always said wolverine was supposed to have Spiderman’s level of strength but he doesn’t. He isn’t much stronger then batman.

Wolverines enhanced sense ALL can be turned against him and used to overwhelm.

And everytime someone says that an unprepared batman would lose…its like saying wolverine would lose without his adamantium claws. Batman’s shtick is being prepared. Outsmarting his opponents. Opponents that usually outclass him in some shape or form. people constantly ignore that he has beaten people that could fry wolverine from the inside out.

[Huerta]

Wolverine has been beaten by Elektra and punisher. Neither are better fighters, strategist, or as resourceful as batman. If they can do it...batman can.

Wolverine’s strength isn’t attributed to his mutation. It’s a result of the metal skeleton. It was always said wolverine was supposed to have Spiderman’s level of strength but he doesn’t. He isn’t much stronger then batman.

Wolverines enhanced sense ALL can be turned against him and used to overwhelm.

And everytime someone says that an unprepared batman would lose…its like saying wolverine would lose without his adamantium claws. Batman’s shtick is being prepared. Outsmarting his opponents. Opponents that usually outclass him in some shape or form.

Honestly, I wouldnt judge a characters history based on the writers. If a writer LOVES Punisher and he's going up against Wolverine in his own book, of course Punisher is going to win. I'm judging these purely based on there abilities and upbringing.

Did you know a character named Squirrel Girl has beaten Thanos, Dr. Doom and Terrax?!?! WTF?

[Deth]

well said Aztek...
well said

[Teratophile]

Honestly, I wouldnt judge a characters history based on the writers. If a writer LOVES Punisher and he's going up against Wolverine in his own book, of course Punisher is going to win. I'm judging these purely based on there abilities and upbringing.

Did you know a character named Squirrel Girl has beaten Thanos, Dr. Doom and Terrax?!?! WTF?


and what havok has batmite caused in the dc universe?http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bb/Batmite2.GIF/220px-Batmite2.GIF

I'm not just judging on the characters continuity. im judging on things have read them doing, as well as their ablities and background.

[Huerta]

It's pretty simple. If you want to make Batman a badass, have him take down the entire JLA, you want to make Doomsday a badass have him kill Supes, Want to make Hercules a badass have him go up against Galactus and so on and so forth.

Do I think those characters can actually beat the characters they did? Hell no. The writers are just trying to entertain the fans.

[Teratophile]

And the same shit applies to wolverine. Wolverine should NEVER survive a fight with the hulk let alone go toe to toe with him.


Writers take liberties with these characters all the damn time. I’m accepting it. If I’m supposed to buy wolverine surviving the equivalent of taking a bunker bomb on the head and heal in almost no time, or if he can fight without tendons/muscles on his bones…then I’m going to buy batman beating the entire justice league.

Those characters are the result of an accumulation of stories. You’re asking me not to utilize the information laid out before me to make judgments. People like wolverine and batman don’t exist...how else am I supposed gauge the extent of their capabilities if not by their stories?

[Wade8813]

To make you feel even better, Captain America can also kick Batmans ass. In at least one instance, they basically fought to a standstill (Batman did eventually win).


Wolverine is a mutant, enhanced beyond any human constraints. Batman could train for years and years and never be able to match Wolverine physically.
Wolverine is a mutant, enhanced beyond human constraints. Batman could study for years, and never know as much as Wolverine.

Oh wait. That's not one of Wolverine's abilities. Which was my whole point. Is super strength really one of Wolverine's abilities? I honestly can't remember reading it in the comics. I'm not saying it isn't there, I just want someone to give me an example.


It's pretty simple. If you want to make Batman a badass, have him take down the entire JLA, you want to make Doomsday a badass have him kill Supes, Want to make Hercules a badass have him go up against Galactus and so on and so forth.

Do I think those characters can actually beat the characters they did? Hell no. The writers are just trying to entertain the fans. I still maintain that the way Batman (actually the LoA) took out the JLA made sense for the most part. Freezing Plastic Man could probably make him vulnerable to shattering. Scarecrow toxin could make Aquaman hydrophobic. It's been said that a single match would weaken Martian Manhunter, so him catching on fire would certainly do more. We all know what Kryptonite can do to Supes. The ones I'm unsure of is Flash, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman, but that's mostly because I don't know how the technology used on them works.

And it doesn't count as trying to make Doomsday tougher than he is. That was actually his original role.

You still haven't answered my question earlier - is it unreasonable that Lex Luthor is often considered Superman's most dangerous enemy?

[Huerta]

You still haven't answered my question earlier - is it unreasonable that Lex Luthor is often considered Superman's most dangerous enemy?

It's really dumb, IMO. Supes could take out Lex in 2 seconds.

[Wade8813]

It's really dumb, IMO. Supes could take out Lex in 2 seconds. While still operating within the law? Most of the time, Superman makes sure everything he does is legal. And that's the problem many heroes face - how do you take someone down if you can't prove anything?

[Teratophile]

i wish i had scanns of when punisher bashed wolverines nuts to a pulp, blew his face off and parked a steam roller on him.

[ntat]

;) Batman would fight wolverine once. Wolverine would know who batman was under the cowl because of his keen sense of smell, wolverine would pop his metal claws, wolverine would heal, and wolverine would show some skill in martial arts. Batman would notice all of these things. Batman would find some way to escape.

Next time they fight, Immediately military grade gas grenades will be utilized to throw off wolverine’s hyper senses. High voltage tazer would come into play. The metal that laces wolverine’s bones would act as a conductor, frying wolverine. OH batman figured that wolverine’s bones aren’t osseous because as they fought the first time wolverine is far heavier then his 5’3 frame would allow. The metal claws popping a sheath would wear out bone overtime so he assumes that if the forearm sheaths are metal so is the rest of his framework. If wolverine wasnt incapacitated from the violent electroshock, wolverine most likely would be pissed.

So as wolverine is thrashing about from the disorientation of the shock, and the gases. (Not utilizing all those years of material training because he falls to a bzerker rage) batman tosses some sort of sticky material at wolverines face. The material permeates over wolverine’s head tenaciously until it cuts off his breathing supply. Wolverine is done and batman has some nasty booboos
u know that wolverine would just cut his sticky material,
and that wolverine can go without air for DAYS. i dont mean literally days, i mean a super long time.

[Bruce Lee]

Batman. No question about it. He's got presence. He's got staying power. He's bonafied. He's the real deal.

Wolverine used to be all that, but he's really soft now. Soft like a sponge with a head cold. I bet a fourth grader with three #2 pencils stuck between his fingers would be more intimidating. I mean, come on--that panda kicked his ass! :D

[ntat]

They're probably about equal in strength. And besides the healing factor, I'd go with Batman over Wolverine in endurance. I'm pretty sure Logan hasn't been around quite that long. Besides, he's forgotten more than he remembers.

Also, Batman received better training, and was much more focused on the training.

that is so stupid it made my brain hurt. Batman has more endurance than the guy that can fight forever and his body never gets tired, or stays hurt for that matter? wow, that was just awful wade...

[50%grey]

Tough one, There is stuff out there then can kill wolverine for good like Antarctic vibranium so it really depends if they can uses each others universes.

Probly go for Bats because wolverine has been captured many times,and Bats could probly leave him in some dark hole forever effectively beating him.

Logan really isn't a strategist hehe. He only knows one thing and that is to destroy anything in front of him.

[kubankin]

Reminds me of the terrible crossover for Batman VS Spawn, and in that case Spawn totally should have kicked his ass to death but there wouldn't be much of a story then.
As for wolvie VS bats....it'd be a close call i think and would highly depend on Batman getting away to get some time to think things out which in that case wolvie could find him and still take him down.
Also someone mentioned before that Wolverine couldn't live over a nuke blast? they did nuke him ( and hulk/she-hulk ) in Ultimate Wolverine VS Hulk issue 4 ( perhaps 5 though ) and he still lived and had his head cut off.

[BIOHAZARD]

O.K these 2 guys are my favorite superheroes.They are the ones in each of thier universes that have it bad, the worst past, go through the most pain, and kick the most butt.Wolverine: had a good life until weapon x got him and erased all the good memories and replaced them with bad ones.and trianed him very good.Batman: parents were killed in front of his eyes and set his mind to punish those who prey on the feaful with fear.Honestly, though I think Wolverine would win.Batman has had trianing from aveery single martial arts sure, but Wolverine has an elongated lifspan and has had training for about half a century to perfect them.It's like they say he's the best there is at what he does, fighting.

[Rorschach21]

Wolverine he'll slash him to pieces,,and if Batman tries to sneak uon him he'll smell him and move from Bat's attack then claw at him.

[Mr.Hades]

i wish i had scanns of when punisher bashed wolverines nuts to a pulp, blew his face off and parked a steam roller on him.

I only read the Punisher comic with this in it one the other day. Had me chuckling.

[pigeonmilk]

What it boils down to is this, wolverine has claws, supersharp, indestructible claws....thats his only weapon...his healing factor is not a weapon but a tool to survive. He has a long fighting background since he has lived so long so he has experience and he would be almost impossible to kill right out but he could be captured and contained. He doesn't have super strength so its possible to contain him. He is basically a wild animal with sharp claws,lol.

Now Batman is mortal, can die but has alot more to his advantage. He is a highly trained martial artist, superb hand to hand combat and hand to weapon combat. He would be able to out manuver wolive's claws and and when Logan goes into bezerk rage, batman would realize and put distance between him and wolive and then fight with his brain instead of his fists....trapping wolvie or incapacitate him with weapons, stun grenades, smoke, nerve gas etc to bring him out of the rage.

He would then fig out a restraint that would keep logan from using his claws and transport him to a location for safe keeping.

Batman would not be able to kill logan, not right out and he isnt a murderer anyways but, he would be able to beat logan.

Logan if able to out fight batman would only need 1 go swipe to end the batman....but he couldnt beat him right out it would take more for him than it would for batman to control the situation.

[pigeonmilk]

[QUOTE=nolanjwerner;792898]No contest at all.

Wolverine would win the fight if it was a hand to hand slugfest.

The trouble is that this kind of fight would negate all of Batman's strengths.



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i disagree, wolvie is a good hand to hand, but batman is better hand to hand,plus he is able to outthink logan and when logan hits bezerk, he becomes a mindless killing machine....big disadvantage for him, batman is able to keep his cool and think of ways to counter that...allowing him to in the end, win the battle.