Superman vs. Goku

[Screamus]

Seriously.
(wait, how do you take a topic like this seriously?)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/screamus/goku-vs-superman.jpg

Goku advantages: Teleportation? Three super sayain lvls to choose from.
Superman advantages: Goku isn't very smart

Rules: No fusing with anyone else for goku.

In an all out brawl, I'd say goku all the way,
But supes would just find some way to stupify him without pissin him off.

[xadrian]

I always thought these two were pretty similar as far as heart and intelligence goes, giving Superman a slight edge. Both have that never give up attitude, but I think in terms of raw power Goku has the edge.

[fatmancomics]

Goku. Superman's only died once and that little spikey haired asshole just keeps finding ways to come come back. Didn't he, like, become his own son once?

[Huerta]

I'm pretty sure supes is physically stronger, so about 1000 quick ass super punches should get Goku. And to be fair lets anime/Manga-upgrade supes powers and he's set.

[Pencilero]

Superman

Mainly to spite DBZ nerds, but also because Goku in DBZ is less monkey king influence and more a direct rip-off of Kal El. :P

[Chico Blue]

That'd be pretty close match, I think. If Superman is smart he could always take out Goku before/while he's powering up, instead of waiting around for him to finish like everyone else seems to.

Either way, it would take about 15 episodes for either of them to throw a punch, and in the end they would both come back to life some how.;)

[xadrian]

Either way, it would take about 15 episodes for either of them to throw a punch, and in the end they would both come back to life some how.;)

So true. That's brilliant.

[smygba]

I'm going with Superman because Goku needs to power up, not to mention his major Ki attacks similarly require him to do the same. If it wasn't for the powering up, I'd have picked Goku, which means I'd back Gohan to beat Supes....just.

[NickRocks]

i used to be a huge dragonball z fan, and i still like it, just not as intensely, so im gonna vote for goku, simply because superman has never done those sick fadeouts/fade back in behind the guy. plus, how would superman try to react to a huge kamehameha? hed probably try to block it like a plane or something and get bowled over.plus, its been shown that goku doesnt necessarily need to power up to beat someone, he can hold his own in his normal form. superman is superman, but goku would just beat him by sheer speed, unless superman grabs him and flies up into outer space or something.


hmm....this hasnt been made into a comic yet? cuz that drawing is tenawesome.

[penciljack]

FYI, when posting, please use descriptive threads. "Who didn't see this one coming" could be anything, so I've edited the thread title.

[NickRocks]

I'm pretty sure supes is physically stronger, so about 1000 quick ass super punches should get Goku. And to be fair lets anime/Manga-upgrade supes powers and he's set.

make supermans cape weighted, and then halfway through the fight, during the "bluffing/boasting" stage, supes can reveal how he hasnt been trying, then take the cape off and increase his power tenfold!:p

[Trilogy]

Superman

Mainly to spite DBZ nerds, but also because Goku in DBZ is less monkey king influence and more a direct rip-off of Kal El. :P


Agree one hundred percent.

[bbbearcounty]

I read a fantasy fight in Wizard where they pitted Goku against
Superman. I think it was anime's Top 5 fight America's Top 5 heores type
deal-e-o. Anywho, I would wager my money on Superman. The Kryptonian
has what it takes to defeat a super saiyan 3 anyday. Plus, Supes got Krypto.

[Screamus]

Plus, Supes got Krypto.
Yeah, all goku has is a group of friends that go apesh!t and turn into huge beasts.

Oh no,
That's NOTHING compared to krypto.
</sarcasm>

[Trilogy]

You really think Gohan can take Krypto?

[NickRocks]

huge monkey ape gohan vs krypto would be AWESOME!

[Trilogy]

Yup, and All Star Superman #3's Lois Lane versus Goku's wife.

[Akira X]

Goku teleports behind Superman, grabs him, teleports him to a red sun, throws him in it. The end.

[Castorius]

In all respects to Superman, I'd call Goku as the victor. However, these two would more likely be friends rather than enemies with Goku's goofy self.

Like stated above though if Superman wanted to really be cheap and get the big "W" all he'd have to do is grab ol' Goku and take him up into outerspace and its all over.

[haunted]

Superman hands down. I can't stand DBZ. Superman is pretty much invincible and Goku is too stupid to use krytonite. Plus I think Supes is a lot faster and stonger. Supes wins. No contest.

[The unknown artist]

I'm gonna go with Goku since I've seen Superman get smacked around by people a lot weaker. Goku can fight A LOT better too. The powering up isn't supposed to take as long as it does in the anime. Everything is drawm out there..fights that take place over the course of 5 minutes go for friggin episodes and episodes.

[Castorius]

Theoretically, Goku and Superman are pretty much equal in speed except that Goku can call upon his speed instantaneously. I believe its the "Instant Transmission" he calls it? Goku has far greater Hand-to-Hand combat training.
Also what you have to remember is that Goku was bord to "Destroy" worlds. Superman has difficulty stopping a meteor or a large chunk of land. Goku and his predessecors are capable of destroying planets like "that".

Like I said before... Winner is Goku
Even though I like Superman way more ^^.

[G-man_2000]

A geek question years old. I think it comes down to how much one knows the other. Goku can power up to a high level then smash Superman but Superman can take Goku out before he powers up. I’ve seen what Superman did to “Dooms Day” once and he tried to do it a second time. Superman can actually lobotomize more powerful foes with his heat vision.:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Deth]

Goku, Goku , Goku. come on its no contest. Goku has the power to distroy an entire planet. He fights faster than the naked eye can see. He takes beatings like no one else and still manages to win. I seen all those later episodes of DBZ and Goku might as well be a god.

Superman is very strong but I dont think he comes close to Goku's strength.

Supes is fast but again I just dont think he's faster than Goku.

Supes does beat him in the brains dept.

come to think of it, I think 50% of DBZ's supporting cast could beat Superman.

Brolly would have a field trip with Superman. The dude distroyed another planet while on another planet with an little energy ball. And Goku beat Brolly.

Superman has a hard time with Batman and the Toy Maker or whatever that dudes name was.

[e_t_i]

If Batman can give Superman a hard time, imagine what Goku could do :P

But then again, Superman seems to have as much power and powers as he wants. He could just go back in time by flying around the world at the speed of light and beat Goku before the fight ever started, or zap Goku with his heat vision. The question is if he'd use his power like that against a good guy.

Superman's powers did get several upgrades from his original 1938 incarnation.

[xadrian]

Superman's powers did get several upgrades from his original 1938 incarnation.

That and he's now a good guy.

[e_t_i]

That and he's now a good guy.

Yeah, 1930s Superman shot crooks in the chest and spanked women in the ass.

[kid vorpal]

Yeah, 1930s Superman shot crooks in the chest and spanked women in the ass.

Wait, wasn't Batman? "Hush or papa spank!"

[Castorius]

If Batman can give Superman a hard time, imagine what Goku could do :P

But then again, Superman seems to have as much power and powers as he wants. He could just go back in time by flying around the world at the speed of light and beat Goku before the fight ever started, or zap Goku with his heat vision. The question is if he'd use his power like that against a good guy.

Superman's powers did get several upgrades from his original 1938 incarnation.

Heres where that can be contested. Superman turned back time by going the speed of light in the opposite direction of the planet Earth's rotation. Except... Superman had to build up that speed.
If you apply that same theory of physics to Goku's powers. Goku could very well do the same thing. Except, Goku can go the speed of light "INSTANTANEOUSLY" , he doesn't need to be powered up or anything to do it either. He calls it in the show "Instant Transmission". Infact in one of the movies it even said Goku "FIGHTS" at light speed... Superman only flys at lightspeed with our current knowledge.
Can Superman compete with Goku's knowledge of Martial Arts along as doing it as lightspeed?

In terms of strength Goku is stronger. Simply because Superman struggles with big rocks... Goku blows up planets by simply being innaccurate with his punches or aura beams ... lol

[Goldenarms]

Man, I hate these one-sided massacres. Just on a pure speed level, Goku would own Superman like he's a pimp. Without powering up. Sure, Superman could cut loose with laser beams that would make Cyclops bitter with envy, but Goku can dodge so fast, it looks like he hadn't even moved. Without powering up.

You can restrict Goku to kicks only and no powering up, and he'll still monkey-stomp Superman without trying. That's just how ridiculously overpowering Goku is. It would have been a more interesting (read: fair) match-up if Superman was fighting Master Roshi instead. One of the weakest characters in the entire DBZ world, and he blew up the MOON with one blast.

I think Superman might be able to take him.

Love 'em, or hate 'em, Superman has less than nothing on DBZ. And that's before anyone powers up. It's just plain fact.

[The unknown artist]

I want to see Superman fight Piccolo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d0-h0Feu5og

[Tekkadragon]

well there is another factor to consider, Goku's power is base on the amount of chi he has, the more he uses his abilities the lower that chi becomes, it takes chi to go into those stages of super sayjin. plus goku is alway in kaio ken 1 (i think that's what it's called) so goku is more or less always "powered up" only difference is you can't see the red aura anymore. Where as Superman has a unlimited source of power as long as he stay under a yellow sun. Gog and doomsday are more or less the equal of what goku can do to supes if you think about it. maybe in the shazam kid. All of goku's abilities are earned thru training while supes was born with more then half of his abilities already there. It doesn't mean he didn't have to train to use them. i imagine it took a while to learn to pinpoint his heat vision. Also superman has mental blocks, pretty much i don't think clark is really trying when he fights. so if the blocks come off, then wouldn't all of his powers come back? i do mean all of them.

Alex

[Deth]

I think your all giving Superman too much credit. Sure he can move mountains and fly so fast he turns back time. But remember that Goku's power level goes up with every hit. It's like the longer he fights the stronger he gets. I aint saying Goku's a better character. I love Superman. but, Goku is just way more overpowered than Superman. Hell, Im sure Goku could distroy the sun if he really wanted to. Remember when Goku went to hell. He beat up everyone down there. could superman say the same if he went there. Shoot, I think Goku could take Galactus. Then again maybe thats an example of bad storytelling.

[NickRocks]

this is just screaming for me to plug myself. why was this thread resurrected anyways?


http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71090

[Wade8813]

I'll admit, I don't know a lot about Goku.

However, I know quite a bit about Supes.

The fight is different depending on which version of Superman you're using. Also, Superman has a tendancy to pull his punches, at least until he gets an idea of how powerful the opponent is.

At his most powerful, I'd guess Superman would beat Goku. In the Kingdom Come series, by the end of it, he's immune to both Kryptonite and Magic, his two biggest weaknesses (Kryptonite because he's been absorbing yellow sun for several extra decades, powering him up, and magic because he finally understands it, or something).

When he chooses to, he can move as fast as Goku (and saying he gets up to speed is a misnomer - it normally takes him less than a second).

Also, Supes received some martial-arts training from Batman, so he can quite possibly go head to head in that department.

[makoi]

If you based this fight on the powers and abilities that each respective storyline gives the characters, then Goku would win this fight. He's ridiculously powerful in his shows. He doesn't have a weakness and he gets stronger the more he fights. He's just as fast as Superman, he's probably stronger in his Super Saiyan 4 (or whatever his high ceiling is now), and his energy blasts destroys entire planets. Goku may be dumb, but he would wipe the floor with Superman.

Plus, Goku's knowledge of martial arts compared to Superman's fighting abilities is like comparing the technique of a champion martial artist to a box of tissue. Superman know how to fight. He just uses his powers. Goku in the meanwhile hones his fighting abilities and practices and practices and practices some more. Goku is a freaking ultimate warrior, Superman is a sap with ridiculous powers.

[Wade8813]

So, what you guys are saying is that DBZ is just ridiculous nonsense, without any semblance of realism?

If Goku's energy blasts can destroy entire planets, every single time he used them, he'd have to fly to a new planet (he can breathe in space, can't he?). I seem to remember Goku using his energy blasts multiple times per show, which means he'd destroy multiple planets per episode.

If he shot a person standing on the planet, the planet would still be destroyed. If he shot someone flying, the planet would probably still be destroyed (certainly everything within a huge radius would be).

All of that's ridiculous.

[penciljack]

Superman would win because Goku's just a fictional character.

[bonizuka]

superman is still slow compared to goku.he is faster than light.

[Karim]

goku wins easy.

[NickRocks]

Superman would win because Goku's just a fictional character.


LOL!

tencharacters

[ssjtom]

Goku wins hands down.
He pulls out a Kripto rock, instant teleportation behind superman, sticks it in his asshole, kicks him in the air and uses a kamehamehax10 and blasts every cell in his body to eradication just like he's done a million times before.
and even if he loses, he'll train in heaven for 10 years then get wished back or do it again.

heres another scenario,
finds the 7 dragonballs, wishes that superman was dead.
the end.

were talking about a guy who can fly and blast things like superman
but can also summon the power of an ancient dragon into a punch and create energy from everything in the universe into one giant ball and throw it at you.

superman is powerful but goku is all powerful.

I'm not just a dbz geek, I am a superman geek aswell but theres just no way I could see superman beating goku.

[spidey976]

Goku wins ... by the time DBZ and GT were over he was rediculously powerful ... he could have destroied a galaxy ... Supes can't stand up to that.

[Ryigenchi]

I've gotta go Goku, superman isnt as powerfull as goku...i dont really follow superman as much as dbz but i dont think superman how the power to shoot blasts that would destroy worlds in a single blow. Also speaking goku is constantly learning new and crazier things. IF super sayain 3 isnt enough, be sure he'll reach level 17 in no time!

[Wade8813]

Goku wins ... by the time DBZ and GT were over he was rediculously powerful ... he could have destroied a galaxy ... Supes can't stand up to that. Superman can, and did. Ever hear of Imperiex?

[spidey976]

Superman can, and did. Ever hear of Imperiex?

LOL ... well maybe he did ... but Goku could do the whole destroy a galaxy in one shot no waiting ... don't get me wrong ... I love old Supes a lot more then old Goku ... but by the end of DBZ and GT half the cast could destroy Earth on a whim ... it was pretty rediculous.

[Wade8813]

Again, I don't know much about DBZ. But I don't understand how 'one shot' of anything could destroy a galaxy. Whatever was shot at the galaxy to destroy it would have to be almost as big as the galaxy. That's beyond absurd.

[The unknown artist]

The shots cause large explosions once they contact something.

[spidey976]

Again, I don't know much about DBZ. But I don't understand how 'one shot' of anything could destroy a galaxy. Whatever was shot at the galaxy to destroy it would have to be almost as big as the galaxy. That's beyond absurd.

Wade ... honestly ... it was beyond absurd ... it is just the way they made the show ... earth blew up SO many times ... and at lease 4 or 5 characters could destroy galaxies I think and Goku was the strongest. Trust me ... I know ... it was beyond goofy.

[ReaperCB919]

Having actually discussed this in length, time and again, with a close friend, we've come to a rather sensible (if you can believe it) explanation. Superman's powers, while great and constantly regenerating due to his exposure to the yellow sun, show limits. Several times in the comics and even the cartoons, we see him struggling to lift objects of exceptional size or weight, and we've seen him beaten before so we know he is not truly invincible, merely that it takes exceptional strength or force to damage his exceptionally dense molecular structure. This said, we can assume that superman would strain if lifting say... the pyramids? He could do it, sure, but it wouldn't be easy. Early in DBZ we see Piccolo, a character much weaker than Goku, lift the pyramids merely by force of will. It's during a training scene, he's meditating and his chi energy causes the pyramids to levitate.

I'll grant, that Supes could use his his heat vision to lobotomize Goku... possibly... but we've also seen Goku bat aside energy blasts... so it's possible that Supe's heat vision might not even bother Goku. Though honestly, even if it would affect Goku, I have a hard time believing Superman would use that tactic unless it were absolutely necessary as it was against Doomsday.

[NickRocks]

superman wouldnt know how to handle a big beam of chi energy being shot at him and hed die.

[Wade8813]

Wade ... honestly ... it was beyond absurd ... it is just the way they made the show ... earth blew up SO many times ... and at lease 4 or 5 characters could destroy galaxies I think and Goku was the strongest. Trust me ... I know ... it was beyond goofy. Wait, Earth blew up multiple times? What'd they do, pause to rebuild it?

And I still don't get how you can know that someone can destroy galaxies unless they actually destroy a galaxy. And there tend to be repercussions to having 4-5 galaxies destroyed... you did mean galaxies, and not "merely" solar systems?

[spidey976]

Yeah Wade ... I think it was Galaxies ... and that was a character named Buu in DBZ that had that kind of Power ... and I am pretty sure he did destroy a few ... though that could be an issue of how the episode was translated ... oh and DBGT had even more powerful characters. Also, as for the earth being destroied that is a quote from a friend ... but it might have been only once (not all that sure) ... and ... well in DB you could "wish" to a giant dragon to remake things ... and bring people back from the dead. No ... I am not kidding on those points.

Shawn

[Dawnsknight]

Wow, this thread is still here.. i can't even remember if I commented...

[malachimanson]

I'd have to say Superman. The fight would be intense. Superman doing what he does best holding back. Then Goku shoots superman near the sun (which he has a bad habit of doing) and Superman returns to earth all Glowing and Goku attacks. Superman backhands him. Killing him instintly.

Mean while Freeza and Cell are watching and Enjoying every second of it. Lex Lurther is screaming at every person he runs into about how Goku was supposed to kill Superman and failed.

[Dawnsknight]

Nah, see, Gokou holds back. Like, beyond Superman.
Goku wears heavily weighted clothes in everyday life. He goes into battle with his clothes weighted.
He's also learned how to feel how strong his opponent is, and to hide his own power. Goku is also a brilliant fighter. He's an uneducated flake for most other things, but he is a disciplined martial artist who will do whatever it takes to protect Earth if he feels it threatened. He has no reservation of destroying someone threatening Earth or his family.
Superman doesn't know how to hide his power. So the moment he enters Goku's world, Goku, Piccolo, and all the others will know he's there and just how strong he is.
Goku will gauge Superman... he'll hold back just enough, but force Superman to use his full power.
The other thing that hasn't been brought up here is that as a Sayain (Saya-jin to those of us who watch in Japanese), Goku has the natural ability of having his own power increased every battle... technically, just fighting increases his powers, and they don't go down again.
Superman, as it ahs been stated can increase his power by reaching the Sun, but it should be noted that Superman's body is a solar battery, while his standard power level never seems to drop low enough to render him powerless, any excess power would be used up at whatever rate it burns at.
As earlier stated, Goku uses chi energy, not just for "fireballs" but also to increase his power. Goku has various chi techniques he uses during battle, Instantaneous Movement is the first that comes to mind, where he teleports to a given point, but is able to move within teleporting. Also, as chi energy is a spiritual power (in line with magic) it can be assumed that Superman would be vulnerable to it (Kame Hame Ha anyone?)
Lastly, as a Sayain, Goku also has the ability of conciously increasing his power by means of "Super Sayain Levels"
Superman would have to reach the sun as an equivalent. There are 3 seperate levels Goku can acheive (as of DBZ) each exponentially stronger than the last.
If all else fails, Goku is strong and fast enough to find all 7 Dragon Balls in a few minutes, and wish Superman away.
:D

[malachimanson]

You have to also take into consideration superman is invonerable to almost everything. So all the damage Goku would do would be pushed off. Superman power isn't gaged like Goku's is. Since superman doesn't have a power level Goku wouldn't be able to sense how strong superman really is.

[Dawnsknight]

Officially, Superman is vulnerable to Kryptonite, Magic and someone of equal or greater power than himself. The debatable question is whether chi energy can be considered as magic.
Goku's first punch wouldn't do any damage, it'd just be a test. Actually, the first few minutes of the fight would just be testing Superman's strength speed and fighting prowess. From there he would slowly escalate his own power to see how far things need to go.
Also, with DB and DBZ, every living thing has a "power level" its basically an explanation of Chi energy and other energies within a living being. How much CHi (which can also be called Lifeforce) you have can be increased as you gain strength, as Superman is a living being, he technically has a life force, and he has super powers, that would also be detected (his body holds solar energy) that is what would be sensed by Goku and his crew.

[malachimanson]

Officially, Superman is vulnerable to Kryptonite, Magic and someone of equal or greater power than himself. The debatable question is whether chi energy can be considered as magic.
Goku's first punch wouldn't do any damage, it'd just be a test. Actually, the first few minutes of the fight would just be testing Superman's strength speed and fighting prowess. From there he would slowly escalate his own power to see how far things need to go.
Also, with DB and DBZ, every living thing has a "power level" its basically an explanation of Chi energy and other energies within a living being. How much CHi (which can also be called Lifeforce) you have can be increased as you gain strength, as Superman is a living being, he technically has a life force, and he has super powers, that would also be detected (his body holds solar energy) that is what would be sensed by Goku and his crew.


I know what Chi Energy is. Though in DBZ they use their chi as a power source. I wouldn't say Superman's power comes from chi. It comes from his DNA. Chi is spiritual power where as Superman's power comes down to science its in his dna. Which is why things like Kyrtonite and the Red Sun radiation would hinder him and kill him. I would think that Superman's chi probably be higher but his power doesn't grow or weaken. This could be an advantage to Superman as Goku would think that he is weak as when he is not.

So since Goku's power isn't Magic in anyway it would be a hard fight. Though with magic users in the DBZ world I'd say bring one of them along just in case.

[Dawnsknight]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Spiritual power and science collide constantly in comics (ie, Reed Richards cloning Thor is Marvel's Civil War), and magic and science are even interchangable in some cases (Mr. Mxypltkz [sp?] who comes from a place where science is so advanced it is just like magic).
In my eyes it all comes down to power, Superman's invulnerability is incredible, but limited, as someone with equal or greater power can affect him physically. Superman is fast, but not to the point of being able to move between planets instantaneously.
Goku is a character who has been established as someone who keeps getting stronger... it is actually a genetic trait of his species (Saiyans) to get stronger with every fight, they are a warrior race, culturally and genetically. That's science. Genetically, they are capable of reaching 3 levels of physical power, and Goku is the first of his kind to reach all 3 levels (including GT he reaches Level 4), and as far as magic goes, Goku does have a technique that channels the power of the Great Dragon into an energy punch/blast, and as the Great Dragon grants wishes, that power he channels is magical in nature.
My 2 cents, I'm done.. as always it comes down to who you are rooting for/who makes the comic.
I appreciate your ferver and passion. Well done. No hard feelings

[Bruce Lee]

Superman. He survived a ponytail hairstyle, so he can beat anything.

[malachimanson]

:D this is true.......:omg: I have a ponytail:confused:

[Dawnsknight]

Superman. He survived a ponytail hairstyle, so he can beat anything.

mmm Supermullet...

[Wade8813]

Spiritual power and science collide constantly in comics (ie, Reed Richards cloning Thor is Marvel's Civil War), and magic and science are even interchangable in some cases (Mr. Mxypltkz [sp?] who comes from a place where science is so advanced it is just like magic). Not entirely. Yes, advanced science can sometimes mimic magic, but it isn't actually arcane, and thus Superman isn't specifically vulnerable to it.


Officially, Superman is vulnerable to Kryptonite, Magic and someone of equal or greater power than himself. If you use Superman when he's older (post-Kingdom Come), he's no longer vulnerable to Kryptonite or particularly vulnerable to Magic. And everyone's vulnerable to someone who's more powerful... :rolleyes:

[larq2525]

The way I understand it from watching some of the show in high school, whenever Goku comes up against an opponent he can't beat he just goes and "trains", then comes back in the end with just enough skill and energy to defeat the person he couldn't quite handle before. Would a duel with Superman be any different?

[malachimanson]

You also forget Goku gets nearly killed. Laying there while one of his friends are killed or to the point of death. Goku gets all mad and gets power he didn't have.

[Dawnsknight]

Not entirely. Yes, advanced science can sometimes mimic magic, but it isn't actually arcane, and thus Superman isn't specifically vulnerable to it.


I argue that point only because Superman cannot defeat Mr.Mxyplxksswhatchmawhosy unless he says his name backwards... he can't hurt him, can't hold, can't touch him no matter how fast he moves or how strong he is.
I remember seeing old Superman comics as a kid where Mr.M used powers on Superman directly that actually affected him, even temporarily.
While Goku is not invulnerable, he can take more damage than most. He has defeated people who have destroyed entire worlds with nothing but a gesture (ie Freiza, Vegeta, and Brolly).

[The unknown artist]

I know what Chi Energy is. Though in DBZ they use their chi as a power source. I wouldn't say Superman's power comes from chi. It comes from his DNA. Chi is spiritual power where as Superman's power comes down to science its in his dna. Which is why things like Kyrtonite and the Red Sun radiation would hinder him and kill him. I would think that Superman's chi probably be higher but his power doesn't grow or weaken. This could be an advantage to Superman as Goku would think that he is weak as when he is not.

So since Goku's power isn't Magic in anyway it would be a hard fight. Though with magic users in the DBZ world I'd say bring one of them along just in case.
Superman isn't invulnerable to everything. If an opponent can hit hard enough he will be hurt. Doomsday wasn't kryptonite or magic. He killed Superman with punches and kicks.

[malachimanson]

Yeah but i don't think Goku has that kinda of power.

[spidey976]

Yeah but i don't think Goku has that kinda of power.

Anything past his first form ... aka SuperSaiyan 1, 2, 3, or 4 ... and Goku has enough power to destroy a world with one shot ... or a sneeze. lol

[malachimanson]

So does Superman..... Well pre crisis superman.

[G0KU]

Let me first say that I am an Expert on this subject. Now lets conclude upon this logically with categorical syllogisms.

If Superman can beat ahum errr um Goku then that means that Superman can also beat all the villains that I- er um Goku had to beat. Therefore if we can't imagine Superman(with all his powers) defeating someone such as Brolly. We should all know who's the Champion.

Majin Buu was fiercely unstoppable(invulnerable). All of Superman's "special" attacks would do nothing to this beast of playful evil with no remorse for any of the crimes he committed. Punching, Kicking, Burning, even Seismic tosses would do nothing to even make him blink. I mean Vegeta blew himself up trying to kill Buu!

Goku(SS3) after a 10 min. bout with Buu claimed, & I quote, "I could have defeated Majin Buu right there, but I didn't because I wanted to give someone else a shot...I won't be around forever to defend this world."

I doubt Superman would even be able to bend buu... no less punch him greater than 20 feet. I laugh. Majin Buu would Kill Superman....and Goku would do so just as easily

[malachimanson]

Let me first say that I am an Expert on this subject. Now lets conclude upon this logically with categorical syllogisms.

If Superman can beat ahum errr um Goku then that means that Superman can also beat all the villains that I- er um Goku had to beat. Therefore if we can't imagine Superman(with all his powers) defeating someone such as Brolly. We should all know who's the Champion.

Majin Buu was fiercely unstoppable(invulnerable). All of Superman's "special" attacks would do nothing to this beast of playful evil with no remorse for any of the crimes he committed. Punching, Kicking, Burning, even Seismic tosses would do nothing to even make him blink. I mean Vegeta blew himself up trying to kill Buu!

Goku(SS3) after a 10 min. bout with Buu claimed, & I quote, "I could have defeated Majin Buu right there, but I didn't because I wanted to give someone else a shot...I won't be around forever to defend this world."

I doubt Superman would even be able to bend buu... no less punch him greater than 20 feet. I laugh. Majin Buu would Kill Superman....and Goku would do so just as easily

Um your basing this off your extensive knowledge of Superman here I see. Knowing all he's faced ect.

First off Superman holds back. He states this all the time. Second Superman gets more powerful as each days go by.

Goku gets more powerful when he trains or gets the shit kicked out of him (which surprisingly happens all the time)

Superman has stood toe to toe with dozens of Supervillains. A lot more then most people give him credit for.

Both Superman and Goku have beat the unbeatable. Now I've stated this before Goku would shoot Superman into the Sun. Now with superman being the battery that he is would not only get more powerful because of this he would just stomp goku afterwards

Goku doesn't hold a torch to Superman. It would be an intresting fight but in the End Superman just is to powerful. As I've stated its not a matter of Chi with superman its a matter of DNA and CHI isn't magic so Superman should withstand Goku's attacks.

[The unknown artist]

Yeah but i don't think Goku has that kinda of power.

Yeah ok.. The forces from Doomsday's punches were shattering windows when he killed Superman. Punches from Piccolo a character who's A LOT weaker than Goku were shattering mountains when he was fighting Android 17.

I think it'd be safe to say Goku's punches who eff Superman up. The Ki blasts would probably hurt even worse.

[malachimanson]

And yet superman can move planets with ease every forgets this. Last time I recall Doomsday fought superman for 7 days straight. Superman also went toe to toe with the guy who killed Doomsday in a flick of a wrist. But thats forgotten about as well.

Chi isn't magic, nor is is kryptonite. So they would be out cause it wouldn't effect superman. Goku would have to fight superman straight up. It'd be a great fight but I don't see Goku beating him.

Specially since Goku is famous for shooting people into the sun.

[TheCanCollecter]

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[malachimanson]

You saying this on your massive knowlege on both series. I know both. I've seen every epiosde of both dragon ball and superman as. I've seen all the superman movies all the dragon ball movies.

Superman always holds back case in point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujnq2D4PtvI

Every always tries to say Goku is so powerful cause his power level. Superman's power isn't gauged by power level.

I'm a fan of both Goku and Superman. Both men are powerful and what not. Thing Is goku can't breath in space. Superman can hold his breath for a insane amount of time. Not only that goku has die how many times in his series. Superman died once.

Since then he's gotten insanely more powerful compared to that.

I state this again. Doomsday Killed Superman. Yet the man who killed doomsday with a flick of a wrist Superman stood toe to toe with.

So Superman would just push the planet into the sun and goku will die while Superman would get stronger.

Also the ability to blow something up doesn't give you the ability to lift it.

[TheCanCollecter]

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[malachimanson]

Were just going to have to disagree. Both their powers come from two different things. Goku's is spiritual while Superman's is DNA.

I think once you get past the first hurttle with these two both holding back.

Depending on which world they are fighting in cause of Physics.

Both men can take a hit. We know this.

Key factors though is superman doesn't lose his temper all that much.

Goku thats where is real power lies.

Like I said before you can't judge superman by power lever cause the fact is he'll just have the same level as every other none spiritual user.


So lets base a fight in Superman's world. Goku hits so hard that he rocks the earth. Okay thats a problem cause that will set off a lot of planetary problems. Not only that there wouldn't be enough room for the two to fight.

Now in the DBZ world this are different. Earth seems to be a hell of a lot bigger. As well there are other planets where they can fight.


Now a good fight would be Sodam Yat vs Goku. Green Lantern, Power of Ion and is a watered down superman.

After all Sodam yat is the strongest superhero in the DCU now.

[G0KU]

Were just going to have to disagree. Both their powers come from two different things. Goku's is spiritual while Superman's is DNA.

I think once you get past the first hurttle with these two both holding back.

Depending on which world they are fighting in cause of Physics.

Both men can take a hit. We know this.

Key factors though is superman doesn't lose his temper all that much.

Goku thats where is real power lies.

Like I said before you can't judge superman by power lever cause the fact is he'll just have the same level as every other none spiritual user.


So lets base a fight in Superman's world. Goku hits so hard that he rocks the earth. Okay thats a problem cause that will set off a lot of planetary problems. Not only that there wouldn't be enough room for the two to fight.

Now in the DBZ world this are different. Earth seems to be a hell of a lot bigger. As well there are other planets where they can fight.


Now a good fight would be Sodam Yat vs Goku. Green Lantern, Power of Ion and is a watered down superman.

After all Sodam yat is the strongest superhero in the DCU now.

You make a good point about the Biological, Spititual and Dispositions of Goku and Superman. But since you insist that Superman triumps over Goku by DNA and "hidden powers" he hasn't touch into yet. I have to bring you this information.

I agree. I agree. Goku needs anger and rage in order to ascend into his higher levels of Saiyan and doesn't even permanently change his DNA so that he stays at that power level.

But since you tapped into some items about Superman beyond the ordinary series I must do the same. Goku has the ability to reach "inner peace". This was revealed after GT in AF. Within inner peace Goku's DNA changes into the perfect fighting machine, but as Goku fights he remains in control and all calm even under the most extreme scenarios.A form of Saiyan that only comes when the person realizes they can't win no matter what they do. And then they transform instantaneously once Goku realizes he can't win...

Goku would simply stop fighting Superman and stand still in the middle of the battlefield, with his face composed in an expression of ultimate inner peace. Goku will transform into Super Saiyan Level 5(Full DNA Alteration) and proceed to kill Superman with the same expression of inner peace that he wore just prior to his transformation.

[malachimanson]

You make a good point about the Biological, Spititual and Dispositions of Goku and Superman. But since you insist that Superman triumps over Goku by DNA and "hidden powers" he hasn't touch into yet. I have to bring you this information.

I agree. I agree. Goku needs anger and rage in order to ascend into his higher levels of Saiyan and doesn't even permanently change his DNA so that he stays at that power level.

But since you tapped into some items about Superman beyond the ordinary series I must do the same. Goku has the ability to reach "inner peace". This was revealed after GT in AF. Within inner peace Goku's DNA changes into the perfect fighting machine, but as Goku fights he remains in control and all calm even under the most extreme scenarios.A form of Saiyan that only comes when the person realizes they can't win no matter what they do. And then they transform instantaneously once Goku realizes he can't win...

Goku would simply stop fighting Superman and stand still in the middle of the battlefield, with his face composed in an expression of ultimate inner peace. Goku will transform into Super Saiyan Level 5(Full DNA Alteration) and proceed to kill Superman with the same expression of inner peace that he wore just prior to his transformation.

Everything I have cited has happened in Superman in one form or anther. Dragon Ball AF is nothing but a fan rumor.

[NickRocks]

theres an episode of DBZ (cell saga i believe) where that assassin taopaipai comes back and tries to kill goku. anyway long story made short the bad guys hide behind a thick steel wall and goku crumples it like paper. no energy expended. superman strains to bust out of chains, or at least does so dramatically. superman poses too much, goku just kicks ass.

[Dawnsknight]

You saying this on your massive knowlege on both series. I know both. I've seen every epiosde of both dragon ball and superman as. I've seen all the superman movies all the dragon ball movies.
[QUOTE=malachimanson;895294]
Superman always holds back case in point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujnq2D4PtvI
Ok, Yes. Superman holds back, always. Yes.
So does Goku. You have stated you have seen every DBZ episode... you'll recall how often Goku barely fights at all, gets knocked down, then proceeds to kick the ass of the person who hit him. Then, if the person gets up, Goku removes the weighted clothing he wears. You'll also note, Goku doesn't power up unless he feels he absolutely has to, and he only powers up enough to deal with the threat at hand. He meets his enemies at their own level, and if they increase their's he Goku increases his.


Every always tries to say Goku is so powerful cause his power level. Superman's power isn't gauged by power level.
Different Universes/Series/writers/concepts... in DBZ fighters measure their power to show off. Goku has a power level, Superman has a power level, but in DC, Power Levels aren't monitored (unless you buy trading cards)


I'm a fan of both Goku and Superman. Both men are powerful and what not. Thing Is goku can't breath in space. Superman can hold his breath for a insane amount of time. Not only that goku has die how many times in his series. Superman died once.

I find that heroic... Goku dies to ensure others will live. In death, he has also defeated the combined power of many of his enemies (in the form of Jenenba) while only combining himself with 1 other person.
If Supes went against the combined power of Mongo, Darkseid, Doomsday, and Zod, what would happen if he combined with Martian Manhunter?

[Wade8813]

In death, he has also defeated the combined power of many of his enemies (in the form of Jenenba) while only combining himself with 1 other person.
If Supes went against the combined power of Mongo, Darkseid, Doomsday, and Zod, what would happen if he combined with Martian Manhunter? That doesn't tell us anything one way or the other. All that means is that Superman's enemies are more powerful relative to him. It's not an indicator of how well Superman would do against Goku.

[The unknown artist]

And yet superman can move planets with ease every forgets this. Last time I recall Doomsday fought superman for 7 days straight. Superman also went toe to toe with the guy who killed Doomsday in a flick of a wrist. But thats forgotten about as well.

Chi isn't magic, nor is is kryptonite. So they would be out cause it wouldn't effect superman. Goku would have to fight superman straight up. It'd be a great fight but I don't see Goku beating him.

Specially since Goku is famous for shooting people into the sun.
7 days? Unless some writer added that AFTER the fact there wasn't any amount of time given to the length of the Superman Doomsday fight. Unless you're talking about one of their later fights.

Either way it doesn't changed the fact that Doomsday ISN'T magic or kryptonite so that contradicts what you just said there about chi.

[Wade8813]

Doomsday's probably not the best point of comparison, since apparently every time he's beaten, he's supposed to be able to evolve to beat whatever it is that just beat him. That makes him a bad reference point.

[bradley besieged]

ok goku would win no matter what unless you specify a time line in the first epeisode no way... in the buu saga or even better yet the last episode of gt superman would get mashed heck even frieza at his final form would win against super man... heh so what super man can at the speed of light? so can any one at and beyond the frieza saga, hes super strong sos goku.. goku can do anything super man can do once you get to or beyond the frieza saga... if super man grabbed him he would do a full body blast and smash the b**ch into the ground k.o... goku doesnt need to go super saiyan.. he would own him.. especially in the buu saga. oh and he can go super saiyan in the blink of an eye any way the only exception is ss3... plus what would the story line any way super man gone mad... huh in that it would end in goku winning everytime.. oh super man doesnt get stronger everytime he fights lol so that kinda put's him in the gutter... and super man has been beaten up plenty of times by people weaker then goku... oh and super man cant blow up a planet lol he can move one but he cant blow it up.. even so he can only move it super slow...damn i just complimentd super man... any way super man is coplete out classed in stregth speed and stamina hands down

[ssjtom]

I think we all agree goku would win, and if we don't agree, then the people who have a difference of opinion should just change their mind, because they're wrong!

[jadervason]

Which Superman? Even the current Post Crisis Superman is getting close to his old school levels. All Star Superman would outsmart and checkmate Goku probably in a few moves, not to mention he could simply spank that ass anyway.

You all are bonkers. Superman has the Flash's speed (he's faster in space than the Flash) and beyond the Hulk's strength, he's more durable and powerful than the entire Earth itself even when you do hit him, which no Kamehaha is going to hit a man who can dodge lasers.

If they're both bloodlusted, that is, fighting without mercy for whatever reason, Goku gets heat visioned off the top and the blaze never stops for the entire fight, which wouldn't be long, because Superman's heat vision is solar hot and light speed.

Goku could escape. That is all.

[bradley besieged]

goku would just folow him or k.o. him before he did it lol one punch and super man would explode lol

[bradley besieged]

Which Superman? Even the current Post Crisis Superman is getting close to his old school levels. All Star Superman would outsmart and checkmate Goku probably in a few moves, not to mention he could simply spank that ass anyway.

You all are bonkers. Superman has the Flash's speed (he's faster in space than the Flash) and beyond the Hulk's strength, he's more durable and powerful than the entire Earth itself even when you do hit him, which no Kamehaha is going to hit a man who can dodge lasers.

If they're both bloodlusted, that is, fighting without mercy for whatever reason, Goku gets heat visioned off the top and the blaze never stops for the entire fight, which wouldn't be long, because Superman's heat vision is solar hot and light speed.

Goku could escape. That is all.


ok your screwed suoer man doesnt even come close not even a smidge ot a fraction of gokus speed yes he can move at the speed of light but goku moves faster, and if you really want to go at it he can moved instanly no time super man cant move that fast even light has a limit oh and goku would just smack that heat vision back in super mans face couse if superman can take and omega effect form apcalypes or apocypes can take a hit from the heat vision then im pretty sure goku can oh corection eye lasers learn your facts fool and any one in dbz can do that...oh uhh ya super mans out classed i thing you need todo a bit of resaerch and then try to compare super man to goku i mean what heelllis super mans power lvl any way i bet its no over a milion

[bradley besieged]

Agree one hundred percent.

oh my god stop making excuses goku wins nuff said

[jadervason]

ok your screwed suoer man doesnt even come close not even a smidge ot a fraction of gokus speed yes he can move at the speed of light but goku moves faster, and if you really want to go at it he can moved instanly no time super man cant move that fast even light has a limit oh and goku would just smack that heat vision back in super mans face couse if superman can take and omega effect form apcalypes or apocypes can take a hit from the heat vision then im pretty sure goku can oh corection eye lasers learn your facts fool and any one in dbz can do that...oh uhh ya super mans out classed i thing you need todo a bit of resaerch and then try to compare super man to goku i mean what heelllis super mans power lvl any way i bet its no over a milion

I admire your trolling skill. Honestly!

Anyway, there is not a physical being that is out of Superman's speed league, furthermore I hate to concede this but Superman is about a million times more dynamic than Goku.

Goku, however, has one advantage. Physics mean nothing in his universe.

[NickRocks]

Superman is about a million times more dynamic than Goku.

WTF?!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb134/nandeman/SonGoku.jpg
oh man, look at how easily he flies so fast
http://darkdiamond.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/son-goku.jpg
anyone in front of that face is owned!
compared to...

http://guerrerosdesingularidad.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/superman.JPG
a nice pic, but nowhere near the speed and strength of goku.

[jadervason]

I agree, it is a nice pic.

[Wade8813]

Superman is about a million times more dynamic than Goku.


WTF?!
nowhere near the speed and strength of goku. Those pics aren't the most convincing in the world. In the first one, Goku looks like a middle-schooler who's flying fairly fast - and that's about it. I assume the stuff around him is just the air heating up from the friction caused by him going so fast. So what? Superman has the same thing, quite often.

In the second pic, Goku looks angry, but I've seen two year olds look that angry.

In the Superman pic, he's casually flying through some stuff. That doesn't show anything about the limits of his speed or power.

[sssgood]

I bet the thing is that everyone that says goku taking time to power up and shit about dragonball z only watched the anime. Dudes, read the manga, the manga is the real thing. half of the anime is all bull/fillers. Also in the begining of dragon ball z (vageta saga) goku with power level of like 16 thousand flies through 1million km, in less than oneday, I would love to know the speed he would be flying at, during the end of dbz when goku is ssj3, with his power multiplied like a billion times. (freeza in the first transformation powerlevel: 1million (he says so him self), 3rd transformation: should be way more than 1 million, goku fights freeza in normal mode, his power should be way more than 1 million, so imagine ssj, then ssj2, then ssj3. in the dbgt with ssj4 i actually though he was way weaker and slower than before, then again the whole thing was a filler). AND wtf is up with people saying goku teleporting is his fastest speed. first of all it was only said in the anime (not manga) that the instant transportation meant traveling at the speed of light (filler!!!!). Its teleportation, which means instant!!! it does not take time what so ever. he travels from one planet to another planet light years away in an INSTANT (it would take time if he traveled at the speed of light, even if it is a few second and stuff)! it takes no time what so ever so its obviously not speed of light.

[malachimanson]

Superman Mad. He doesn't look like a child.

http://www.greatkrypton.com/kc/copyright.jpg

[Metal Spidey]

Whenever this discussion comes up I choose Supes over Goku. There's lot of factors I could go into but I'm sleepy and don't have the strength to write it all. I will end with this though.

[shekoyeyi]

one thing dbz fan boys need to understand is this, anime in japan is created to tickle that little part of the brain that will make you go "go go ga ga" for ideas such as db,dbz or dbgt when you truly know in your nerdy hearts that they are totaly void of even the most basic of logic, you know striaght up ridiculous.

WHILE

on the other hand superman power profile or anything character build up related is tremendously affected by audience expectations of how human the character should be but at the theasame time, how powerful he can get to uphold that mantle he is been placed on.

but if dragon ball fan boys are pulling every argument arsenal out, to make big blue look like a panzy...than by all means. i mean all i have to do is introduce them to superman prime or the Gold plated solar charged version of the guy and lets see how well that banana munching freak hold up.

[Bryan McWhirter]

Superman would win because Goku's just a fictional character.

:lml-: classic :-lml:

[The unknown artist]

one thing dbz fan boys need to understand is this, anime in japan is created to tickle that little part of the brain that will make you go "go go ga ga" for ideas such as db,dbz or dbgt when you truly know in your nerdy hearts that they are totaly void of even the most basic of logic, you know striaght up ridiculous.

WHILE

on the other hand superman power profile or anything character build up related is tremendously affected by audience expectations of how human the character should be but at the theasame time, how powerful he can get to uphold that mantle he is been placed on.

but if dragon ball fan boys are pulling every argument arsenal out, to make big blue look like a panzy...than by all means. i mean all i have to do is introduce them to superman prime or the Gold plated solar charged version of the guy and lets see how well that banana munching freak hold up.

If you can pull out random elseworld versions of Superman then people can pull out SSJ4 Goku merged with the Dragon Balls n sheet from Dragon Ball GT.

[malachimanson]

If you can pull out random elseworld versions of Superman then people can pull out SSJ4 Goku merged with the Dragon Balls n sheet from Dragon Ball GT.

Yes they can and GT doesn't help the argument of Goku being superior since he was a kid in GT.

[DemonX01]

Goku teleports behind Superman, grabs him, teleports him to a red sun, throws him in it. The end.

goku can only teleport to places where he can detect lifeforms. and i honestly dont think there r livings things in the sun >.>

[Bruce Lee]

Superman kills Guku, then, angered about the success of manga in America, Superman cancels the contract on Japan and Korea's existence. Ultimately regretting his savage act, Superman goes mad and becomes Paral-laxative, and begins hunting down all of the remaining Kryptonians in an effort to kill them and collect all of their chest insignias. True chaos ensues when he meets up with Powergirl, who's chest insignia(s) er...uhm... is...well, breasts! Breast that are very defiant....

See it all in...

... COUNTDOWN TO CRISIS IN FANBOY SECRET HELL! :skull:

Because NO ONE demanded it!

[Archerion]

Couldn't Goku just get the dragon balls and wish superman dead?

[shekoyeyi]

sure,watever, any version of goku is sufficient, i mean he will be needing all the help he can get. oh p.s superman 1000000 included.

[spidey976]

SIGH ... this is STILL going on


Yes they can and GT doesn't help the argument of Goku being superior since he was a kid in GT.

Nope ... he could turn into an adult SS4 whenever he wanted to. This thread is a bit hinky now. Different versions ... Elseworlds ... out of continuity versions of Superman ... and fan fic Goku.

Simply put ... current Superman dies if you use Goku SS4 from GT ... but hell ... the Universe doesn't let Superman die (See "Our World at War") ... so he would be back ... lol.

[idabelangler]

Superman

He could fly around the world and reverse time until he gets to a point where manga doesn't exist.

hmmm...

[spidey976]

Superman

He could fly around the world and reverse time until he gets to a point where manga doesn't exist.

hmmm...

WHY I AUGHTA .... *must control fist of death* .... :skull: ...;)

[Chicken McPenis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVRm9B-7hi4&feature=related

Skip to 3:36 and watch Goku's OMG LONG POWER UP TO SSJ3.

GAWD IT TKEZ HIM LIEK ALL DAY HOW WOOD HE MANAJ JEBUS

[NickRocks]

Couldn't Goku just get the dragon balls and wish superman dead?

the dragon (shenlong) is only so powerful...if you remember dbz they ask him if he can kill the saiyans in the saiyan saga and the dragon says he cant...superman would be too strong for that wish to work.

[boybed]

Superman is the bast never can beat..

[tjtjtj]

goku wud pick superman aprt in an instant. in manga terms superman has the strength of 1000 man which wud equal 5000 in dbz power levels. goku passes that against vegeta. his power level at super saiyan starts at 15,000,000. superman has no chance. all goku wud do is appear behind him, punch a hole in his gut n blow up da remains with a normal energy wave. he dosn't even need a kamehameha

[malachimanson]

goku wud pick superman aprt in an instant. in manga terms superman has the strength of 1000 man which wud equal 5000 in dbz power levels. goku passes that against vegeta. his power level at super saiyan starts at 15,000,000. superman has no chance. all goku wud do is appear behind him, punch a hole in his gut n blow up da remains with a normal energy wave. he dosn't even need a kamehameha

Goku sucks look at the movie.

[NickRocks]

goku wud pick superman aprt in an instant. in manga terms superman has the strength of 1000 man which wud equal 5000 in dbz power levels. goku passes that against vegeta. his power level at super saiyan starts at 15,000,000. superman has no chance. all goku wud do is appear behind him, punch a hole in his gut n blow up da remains with a normal energy wave. he dosn't even need a kamehameha


actually supermans power has never been determined. under a yellow sun, hes always held back. he can beat the hulk, who can get stronger the madder he gets...it wouldnt be that easy of a fight.

[joker]

superman would win. if goku hit him it won't hurt superman. now if goku got the green thing that hurt superman he would have a chance.

[joker]

remember superman only has 1 weakness.

[50%grey]

well 2 , he can't see through lead =P

[hadesillustrations]

3 - vulnerable to magic. He'd still win.

[The unknown artist]

I guess Doomsday must have been made of kryptonite..and lead...and magic..

oh wait....

[50%grey]

Can't believe I forgot about magic.../smacks head.

Yeah Supes got face rolled by Captain Marvel.

[Turtle Boat]

I think Krillin vs Superman would be more evenly matched.

[The unknown artist]

even Piccolo might wreck Superman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm6GCulrPVE

[Breck]

I've been checking out the "Who's Online" thing recently, and I've noticed that at any given time, about 25% of the people viewing this site are Guests checking out this thread.

[Turtle Boat]

even Piccolo might wreck Superman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm6GCulrPVE

yes, but that's because Piccolo is GOD.

[Red star]

Your all wrong Ryu and ken would bust in and beat them both to death ... Street fighter style I mean come on super dud appears in mortal kombat WTF is up with that he can be killed by raden and he's blind as for goku I don't think anyone would have the time to put up with his rambelings about beans and spirit bombs
Hmmmm idea marvel vs capcom vs snk vs DC vs DBz would make a fairly long and exciting game mk don't count though their all jokes

[ssjtom]

Your all wrong Ryu and ken would bust in and beat them both to death ... Street fighter style I mean come on super dud appears in mortal kombat WTF is up with that he can be killed by raden and he's blind as for goku I don't think anyone would have the time to put up with his rambelings about beans and spirit bombs
Hmmmm idea marvel vs capcom vs snk vs DC vs DBz would make a fairly long and exciting game mk don't count though their all jokes

as much as I love Ryu, He has one ki blast where as goku has dozens of various ki blast moves all much more powerful than ryu and kens put together,
they'd get crushed!

[NickRocks]

Your all wrong Ryu and ken would bust in and beat them both to death ... Street fighter style I mean come on super dud appears in mortal kombat WTF is up with that he can be killed by raden and he's blind as for goku I don't think anyone would have the time to put up with his rambelings about beans and spirit bombs
Hmmmm idea marvel vs capcom vs snk vs DC vs DBz would make a fairly long and exciting game mk don't count though their all jokes

go away now plz k thx.

[Wild&Uncouth]

GOKU would pwn SUPES. BOYSCOUTS will always lose to crazy monkey ninja-lookin' dudes.

[Rorschach21]

Superman would kick Goku's butt because,Goku wouldn't stand chance against Supes.

[pigeonmilk]

yeahhhh....Superman vs Goku....I think superman would stand there eating a cup of ramen noodles then pausing to take a dump, come back to the arena ( because only honorable fights occur in the arena) and wait for Goku to finish monologing and power up then simply pop him with his laser eyes and end it....

Goku is no match for superman, hands down. Goku can't even beat a half bug/half turtle? without dying 3 or 4 times during the course of the fight...

[NickRocks]

goku isnt a monologuer

[malachimanson]

goku isnt a monologuer

Really? Cause i've seen him Monologue before. Its usually not when the villain is watching and he goes on about how he needs the power of the earth and lend it to him to beat the bad guy. That would be a monologue. Or when he bitches about how evil the person is and is unforgivable and must obtain the ultimate power.

[NickRocks]

he certainly doesnt monologue longer than luthor, or some of the other enemies superman has. goku knows how to get down to ass kicking.

[malachimanson]

Luthor has some epic monologues though.

[Turtle Boat]

I'm telling you guys, Krillin would whop superman's ass no joke. Nah, it's more likely that he'll slice him in half with his disc thingy.

I mean, technically, Krillin can blow up a city as big as los angeles, while superman has trouble lifting a plane. just something to think about.

[malachimanson]

I'm telling you guys, Krillin would whop superman's ass no joke. Nah, it's more likely that he'll slice him in half with his disc thingy.

I mean, technically, Krillin can blow up a city as big as los angeles, while superman has trouble lifting a plane. just something to think about.

We'll Superman can travel through time without a time machine. He can push planets. Oh you forgot that Superboy Prime pushed a planet into orbit of anther planet there by starting a war between the two?

So many version of superman. At the end of the day just remember that the creator of DBZ said that Superman was one of his inspirations to create Goku.

[Turtle Boat]

at the end of the day superman is a man flying around in blue tights and red undies.

and yes i forgot superboy prime pushed a planet into orbit of another planet, because cell had the power to destroy the solar system. Lo and behold, goku's super saiyan 3 is stronger than cell.

Damn, i'm a total nerd right now.

[NickRocks]

eh, i think that saiya-jin saga raditz would be a better match for superman than goku

[Medk]

This topic is ridiculously stupid
No offence, but even i like superman, we have to see the truth here. If u read the first books of DB, when goku is a little child begins with his training - he already possess these super powers, for example when he moves the big mountain with his hands don't get killed from a gun,uzi...
lets move on and forget these stupid questions

[Spooko]

I'd like to think Goku's intelligence would be an advantage for him here, where when Goku and Superman meet and Goku asks Superman he got so strong, and Superman tells Goku the sun makes him strong, and then Goku will think Superman is a solarvampire come to eat up his sun and destroy his world, and then he blows up the sun so he can defeat Superman and then uses the dragonballs to remedy the damage.

[NickRocks]

I'd like to think Goku's intelligence would be an advantage for him here, where when Goku and Superman meet and Goku asks Superman he got so strong, and Superman tells Goku the sun makes him strong, and then Goku will think Superman is a solarvampire come to eat up his sun and destroy his world, and then he blows up the sun so he can defeat Superman and then uses the dragonballs to remedy the damage.

superman would totally not tell him, hed be like "my strength comes from needles" which we all know goku is afraid of, thus giving superman the psychological advantage.

[DJ Tektonic]

I'm on my way to our concert so I'll be brief and to the point.

It would certainly be a draw... Goku would find a way to unite the DragonBalls and come back infinitely but, he is not made of kryptonite! The Kamehameha would certainly leave Superman with a morning headache but that is really about it.

-BUT-

If we are drawing the fight out. Then I would say Goku because he always winds up figuring out his opponents weakness, so after dying a few times he gathers the Dragonballs (probably an extra time to revive Krillin [or Kuririn] once in the middle of the story) and asks Shenlon for the ability to channel the kryptonic powers through his Kamehameha or travels to train with Ki again and learns the technique and finally, after an ultimately long drawn out battle Goku blasts him with it after distracting Super with an illusion and -BAM- Superman is down. He doesn't resurrect as fast either.

[Teratophile]

I don't know enough about Goku to decide. I'm also not virgin.

[Geekboy]

I've never read (or watched) any Gokus or Dragonballs because they look dumb. This is especially true of the movie. Christopher Reeve and/or Brandon Routh could beat up Justin Chatwin any and every day of the week. For added emphasis, someone could throw George Reeves out a window at him as a finishing move.

[Ratcrack]

Does Superman even have any martial art skills? I really don't see how he could beat Goku. Goku actually knows how to fight.

[Turtle Boat]

geekboy, dragonball is one of the founding pillar and legend of the comic world. take the time and read the manga. i don't see how you could be a geekboy without actually reading or watching dragonball.

and yea justin chatwick, or whatever herb "dawson's creek" motha****er could go kill himself.

[fatmancomics]

I always hated the Dragonball animated series and all the ones that followed. I've even seen a lot of the uncut versions of the fights and I just hated how they stood around and talked for so damned long. A fight isn't supposed to take 3 weeks, for god's sakes.
The best thing that I can think of that came out of that series was the animation director who worked on the last season of Justice League Unlimited and book 3 of Avatar. That guy pretty much learned how to draw from copying Dragonball Z stuff as well as being inspired to do epic fight sequences from watching that crap. The difference is that he learned to do a fight in one episode. Otherwise DBZ sucks!

[Turtle Boat]

dude i'm telling you man, you gotta read the manga. the anime's ok, but like you said it just drags on for too long when they're gathering chi, like they're constipated.. In the manga, that's one panel, and the drawings are much, much better.

[Geekboy]

That's like telling me that even though it hurt when I stuck my hand in that boiling oil, I should really stick my face in it because it's really cool trust me for realz.

Lone Wolf and Cub is the only manga I have enjoyed as an adult. As a teenager I ate up anime and manga, but I can't stand the stuff now.

[fatmancomics]

dude i'm telling you man, you gotta read the manga. the anime's ok, but like you said it just drags on for too long when they're gathering chi, like they're constipated.. In the manga, that's one panel, and the drawings are much, much better.



No thanks. Don't like the art. Something about square muscles that always turned me off.

[nicorage]

why can superman lovers can accept it

i love superman too, i think is a great hero and can kick ass too
but here the reality
superman could and will never be able to beat goku

goku is simply the ultimate fighter

i read story like he can't fly through space of course he can
he is a super saiyan for god sake
this race is all about fighting and taking over

this contest isnt fair really

to be honest i think goku would rather train him to be a more or less respectable challenger

because if you know goku well enough you know he loves challenges

and supes isn't

what ever supes can do goku 'll do it 100 times better and with more power

before anyone post anything about this versus they better do there research

[Turtle Boat]

That's like telling me that even though it hurt when I stuck my hand in that boiling oil, I should really stick my face in it because it's really cool trust me for realz.

Lone Wolf and Cub is the only manga I have enjoyed as an adult. As a teenager I ate up anime and manga, but I can't stand the stuff now.

I don't know, doesn't sound like a bad idea. Tell me how it goes after you stick your face in the boiling oil. It might be good for your skin.

[KratosGow30]

goku can not only travel at the speed of light he can also
fight at that speed as shown when he fought cooler
as for strength guko hands down again im not so sure
superman could handle 500x gravity training altough it dosent show him traing at that but vegta does it and guko beat him
and lets not forget guko has the killer instint in him and is not afraid to kill where as io dont think superman ever kills anyone
:D viva DBZ

[malachimanson]

geekboy, dragonball is one of the founding pillar and legend of the comic world. take the time and read the manga. i don't see how you could be a geekboy without actually reading or watching dragonball.

and yea justin chatwick, or whatever herb "dawson's creek" motha****er could go kill himself.

A baby from an Alien World lands and is adopted and raised to be a hero. Pick either Farmer or Martial Art Master and you will have either Superman or Dragonball. Hell neither of are lone survivors of their worlds anymore. I'll take the original real deal Superman over the cheap copy Goku.

Oh and Dragonball Kai is being aired. Hopefully we get it in america. Its a shorter version of DBZ. They cut a lot of the filler so you won't have the 3 weeks of episodes for ten seconds.

[mjmartinejohn]

Sorry, but little Goku would probably be a match for supes. Dragonball characters just keep getting tougher...Supes has always been the same power level. Even is Supes beat him once, Goku would go train for a couple of issues and come back with some incredible Superman-smashing energy power that would fry little Superman in his big red Santa boots.

The End

[Geekboy]

I think we can agree that if DC ever actually publishes a comic about this, we all lose.

[NickRocks]

goku can not only travel at the speed of light he can also
fight at that speed as shown when he fought cooler
as for strength guko hands down again im not so sure
superman could handle 500x gravity training altough it dosent show him traing at that but vegta does it and guko beat him
and lets not forget guko has the killer instint in him and is not afraid to kill where as io dont think superman ever kills anyone viva DBZ

when has goku EVER been shown to throw a punch faster than the speed of light?

Every mention of characters moving faster than light in Dragonball (Raditz, Goku Vs Tien) were dub errors. To add to the confusion, in the dub it's stated that Goku's IT only moves at the speed of light, when it's actually supposed to be instantaneous teleportation.

No one in the Dragonball can move faster than light through their own speed alone.

As for the fight, Superman wins.

Goku would be using his speed and hanging in there, but once Superman realizes that he has to use his speed to keep up with Goku, it's all over. Superman beats Goku in almost every category. He's faster, stronger, has more stamina, more durable, etc.

Superman was fighting Wonder Woman at FTL speeds in Sacrifice.

a kamehameha wouldn't destroy superman in one hit. he's fast enough to dodge it most of the time though. even if it hits it 'll at most do moderate damage.

Superman has taken more damage than the Kamehameha, so it's not going to destroy him.

superman phased himself away due to how fast he made his molecules move. Goku has never been that fast

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
^and thats in a BLACK HOLE

*all of this taken from another site*

[NickRocks]

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4229/lightspeed2vm5.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5998/earthfx3.jpg

Earth's weight: 6,585,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons.
the mass of the Earth is 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilograms (6E+24 kilograms / 1.3E+25 pounds).

No amount of levels will allow Goku to do feats of sort.

[Turtle Boat]

theres an episode of DBZ (cell saga i believe) where that assassin taopaipai comes back and tries to kill goku. anyway long story made short the bad guys hide behind a thick steel wall and goku crumples it like paper. no energy expended. superman strains to bust out of chains, or at least does so dramatically. superman poses too much, goku just kicks ass.

WHERE DID YOU KIDNAP THE REAL NICKGUY IMPOSTER!!!

[NickRocks]

im appreciating both sides of this argument. :) theres no poll, so i dont have to choose yet; also, we all know thord beat them both

[heavenly king]

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-forum/goku-vs-superman-61685/241


just take a look what i posted up for superman

[Lingling]

Goku has the energy to destroy a planet easily. He can teleport. He regularly fights at super speed. But he can be hurt quite easily, especially if he's not on guard.

But Superman is physically stronger and much more invulnerable. He's faster, though he rarely fights at high speed; because he's so tough he rarely thinks to dodge. His energy blast -- heat vision -- is comparatively extremely weak.

I say, now as always: if Goku hits Superman with an energy blast, Goku wins. If Superman punches Goku, Superman wins. No nonsense about taking the hit or dodging. Whoever hits first annihilates the other.

Just a question of who rolls initiative.

[Wolverine_nl]

Suup wins this, Goku takes too much time with his Ki spells.

[What?]

It's not a contest.

Superman is vastly more powerful and more intelligent than Son.

And he knows more martial arts than Son.

And he can travel...seven times light speed? Faster when he flies? I can't remember.

Son can break light speed with his Instantaneous Movement, but he needs to focus on an entity to get where he's going.

"Oh, but Goku can blow up a planet!"

So can Superman. He can also warm it up by looking at it.

Has anybody posted the Superman Facts link yet?

[alvin]

If we considering KI like a magic force GOKU win because Superman can't resist to the magic .

But, is very difficult to evaluate who beat who . Because in dragonball , we don't know precisely all the goku's capacities .He's , in the DBverse , strongest man in the universe . However , perfect cell can destroy a solar systeme , he's as strong as a Supa sayan jin level 2 . Goku can transform in level 3(or 4). So...

I don't know xD

[NickRocks]

goku wins because hes too dumb to lose

[spidey976]

This thread is a testament to just HOW Dead the FanBoys section usually is. It sits here near the top of the forum even though guys haven't posted in it in months, and then someone sees it and sets it off again with the same old same old ... lol.

[supersalt32]

Superman... obviously!

[PTX40]

The thing with Goku is, when you translate his feats into comic book level stats and such, he isn't that impressive.

Goku can move fast and teleport. Okay. Superman can keep up with the Flash, aka, the fastest fictional character ever, and at that level of speed, both Supes and Flash can manhandle teleporters. So Superman wins there.

Goku's strength is up there, but when's the last time he's shattered meteors or moved planets?

Goku is tough, but can still be cut, broken, bled out, etc. Hell, in the Android saga, he was felled by friggin' HEART DISEASE. Plus, isn't he unable to survive in space? And an exploding planet could kill him? Pretty none of those can kill Superman. Superman could just fly him out there and that would end Goku.

I think pretty much the only area Goku excels over Superman is fighting skills. Which won't do a lot of good when you get speedblitzed and chucked into the sun.

[The P.R. Man]

I dunno man, when he fought Freeza it wasn't the planet exploding that was going to kill him, but the lack of oxygen. Superman needs air too, he just uses his super breath to inhale an ungodly amount to spend long periods in space. concieveably Goku could do the same thng if he was bright enough to figure it out. as for strength, I believe he could take post crisis superman evenly even at SS lvl 1, pre crisis superman? not a chance.

it's tough to make a call though. it's unclear if Goku's even that tough. I was watching an episode of the Freeza run yesterday, and although he was taking huge energy beams at point blank, and not even hurting his clothing, he blocked an energy ball, and was blowing on his fingers bitching about how hot that was. plus,when the planet started to get broken up, he had to avoid the lava.


I think the best answer to this is it depends on who the writer likes best when putting them up against each other.

[Turtle Boat]

i think this thread started when i was a freshman in college. now i'm about to go to my senior year. that's how long this debate is.