Iron man VS batman

[Screamus]

They're both rich geniuses.
Both use technological doohickyies.

Advantages:
Ironman is always up to date
Batman'll fight dirty

Who'll win?

EDIT:
Read the rules.
Seems I can't end this on a question...

Iron man'll win cause he's always up to date.
That issue where he fought the "bootleg" warmachine?
He broke his (warmachines) hands off and stuck is hands and them, powering them up, saying all they needed was the right powersource.
The guy who made the suit said his design was up to date.
Iron man corrected him
His warmachine scematics were last seasons model.

The parts were 3 months old.

[Huerta]

If Batman could take on most of DC's biggest guns, he could take down Iron Man.

[nevermore]

But the same could be said for Iron Man, like all things itd ultimately depend on writer.

Both have the ability to triumph depending on multiple factors. I personally have to vote Iron Man. :D

[fatmancomics]

Batman wins. All he has to do is offer Tony a drink and Tony will have to stop fighting and go call his sponsor.

[Spidey]

Batman wins. All he has to do is offer Tony a drink and Tony will have to stop fighting and go call his sponsor.
Hah!

Batman. He'll find a way. Doesn't he always?

[TGping]

Hah!

Batman. He'll find a way. Doesn't he always?

that could be said of any superhero... and reading the extremis stroryline I'm going with tony on this one.

[Captain All That]

Yeah... Batman wouldn't stand a chance... If both were given equal preparation time... Batman's cave would be destroyed with him in it.

[Huerta]

Iron man is Tech smart, while Bats is break ur neck smart.

[WillTurner]

Gotta go with the crowd here, as much as I like Tony Stark's Clark Gable matinee idol looks, he is basically a guy in a suit.

Batman would hang him by his knackers and make him recite rude poetry in a high voice if he wanted to.

[DeadBodyMan]

Any one that says Ironman could beat batman is on drugs. Batman would find a way to drain the suit of its power and then leave Tony in his new red and gold coffin, more than likly hanging from a tall building at that. Bats can anylize situations and read peoples action so quickly that im moments he already has the soulution to his problem. It took Tony Stark how long to realize that he had a problem with the Ol' bottle?
I think Ironman is a chump or maybe its just beacuse I think Batman could beat any superhero.

[thEbrEEze]

Well then I guess I'm on Drugs! Batman could come up with any dohickey he wants, Tony would counter that with his own invention. I don't think you guys give enough credit to iron man. He is a genius, he got over his alcohol problem, and i think that a freakin ion blast to bats dome could take him out. It's definately a fight I would love to see and as much as I love Bats, I'm going with Iron Man.

[jeremy dale]

This is a no-contest. Stark gets his butt handed to him in the first three minutes. Batman all the way.

[smygba]

i laugh when I see people say batman fights dirty. I seen superman fight more dirty then batman. ¬_¬

If it was an impromtu battle, stark. if there was prep time, batman, probably cos He's the most powerful superhero in the DC universe, especially when hes given planning time.

[Chico Blue]

Bats all the fricken way. He doesn't even need any time to prepare, because Batman is ALWAYS prepared. He'd just whip out some Iron Man Repllent Batspray and that would be that. :D

[nevermore]

Bats all the fricken way. He doesn't even need any time to prepare, because Batman is ALWAYS prepared. He'd just whip out some Iron Man Repllent Batspray and that would be that. :D

hahahaha. stupid length filter wont let me just contribute the incredibly intelligent and conversational reply of "hahahaha" :P

[WillTurner]

"Iron man, iron man does whatever an iron can" Case closed.

[DeadBodyMan]

If it was an impromtu battle, stark. if there was prep time, batman, probably cos He's the most powerful superhero in the DC universe, especially when hes given planning time.

Everyone keeps saying that Batman needs prep time, granted it makes his fight easier bit he dosnt need the prep time. I think his ablity. to think on the fly is one of if not his greatest weapon. I just dont see Ironman thinking and adjusting quickly to any of batmans attacks

[smygba]

Everyone keeps saying that Batman needs prep time, granted it makes his fight easier bit he dosnt need the prep time. I think his ablity. to think on the fly is one of if not his greatest weapon. I just dont see Ironman thinking and adjusting quickly to any of batmans attacks
i just don't see it. Batarang vs Armour with lazers, booster rockets, tactical sensors. Its more like stark's wearing a batmobile.

[CWmax]

ummmm.....Iron Man drops laser guided repulsor bombs from 20,000 feet.....Game Over!


CW

[WillTurner]

Yes but Batman would see him coming thanks to...radar in his belt.

On a more personal level, Batman has been in several awesome cartoons, the Adam West TV show and the brilliant Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan films.

Iron Man was in the piss poor Marvel Action Hour.

Batman wins.

[theycallmemisterbob]

Its been years for me,reading Iron Man... If I recall correctly... doesn't Tony Stark have a heart condition? S'all I'm sayin.

[Ra Havok]

Iron man would win. Ultimately, Batman's merely a guy with no super-powers in a suit and some gadgets.

[theycallmemisterbob]

Iron man would win. Ultimately, Batman's merely a guy with no super-powers in a suit and some gadgets.

Pff. IM's got nothing that Batman can't put together also. I know Batman has armor - because I've seen the toys.

[Huerta]

Iron man would win. Ultimately, Batman's merely a guy with no super-powers in a suit and some gadgets.


That is exactly why Iron Man would lose. Because he would just think Bats is a normal guy, when in fact, Bats is the craziest MAN alive. Tony rely's too much on Tech. with out that he's nothing.

[smygba]

lmao, Batman is all image and no substance. If you were to sit down and think about it, Batman is by far the cleanest superhero on earth. He doesn't even use guns to hurt his enemies. No wonder villans flock on Gotham, they know if they get caught, all Batman is gonna do is get them thrown in jail. Even the Miller's Batman isn't that impressive, he's just being clean cut again when he fights Superman. Why people are impressed by his pathetic posturing, I'll never understand. The only reason Batman would win this is because some writer would decide Batman should utilise his secret invincibility powers, that allow him to fight people like Darkseid and survive. ¬_¬

[thEbrEEze]

batman has the balls no debate about that, but really stark can decimate a whole freakn city if he wanted to. It would be agreat fight no jokeing about that even if bats has batarmor or whatever.

[shoryukenmaster]

Ultimately, Batman's merely a guy with no super-powers in a suit and some gadgets.

How is this different from Iron man?

Batman wins because he always wins.

[nevermore]

How is this different from Iron man?

Batman wins because he always wins.

When discussing a super hero battle this reasoning is beyond ridiculous, as it can be said for nearly EVERY super hero that exists.

[shoryukenmaster]

True but in my head, no matter what, batman always wins. Always.

[theycallmemisterbob]

True but in my head, no matter what, batman always wins. Always.

Agreed. Plus Batman has got, or can buy, all the toys in Iron Man's arsenal.

[Pencilero]

Iron Man.

Bats will be all like, "I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT" in the afterlife.

[Spidey]

I think Batman's trump card will win over Ironman's arsenal. Does Ironman have an real strategy aside from a threatening with firepower?

[Art of Drowning]

I hate when I hear that hes just a man in a suit, he is but hes just alittle more then that. theres a reason he can take down big guys, he always has a plan, and the means to do so.

[Captain All That]

Noone thinks Batman is a mere man in a suit... however... If both are given the opportunity to plan ahead Ironman would win... EMP Grenades? Ironman is shielded... Virus... Norton Anti-virus is up to date... Martial Arts? He's Iron for God's sake and Tony's armor has most of the known martial arts programmed into the armor...

O.k., O.k., if they both just bump into each other in a dark alley... Ironman would win based on his arsenal... and the adaptive program Tony has in the armor which helps him in a fight. Really it's a 2 on 1.

[fatmancomics]

Fine, take away the suits and you have Mr. Wayne mopping the floor with Mr. Stark.

[Spidey]

O.k., O.k., if they both just bump into each other in a dark alley... Ironman would win based on his arsenal... and the adaptive program Tony has in the armor which helps him in a fight. Really it's a 2 on 1.
No way, are you kidding? If anything that's Bats' turf. It'll be other way around. Batman is the best at stealth and completely dissappearing whether Iron man has heatsensors or not. All Batman has to do is lure him into a trap, because why would he go toe to toe with a tank and if he did want to he always has the batmobile.

[nevermore]

Fine, take away the suits and you have Mr. Wayne mopping the floor with Mr. Stark.

I will concede this point.

[TGping]

Guys, If you've read the latest issue in the Iron man Extremis series, you'll see that stark has some actual superpowers, so being that bats has no latent powers, he'd lose. plus Iron Man looks waay cooler that batman.

[fatmancomics]

Guys, If you've read the latest issue in the Iron man Extremis series, you'll see that stark has some actual superpowers, so being that bats has no latent powers, he'd lose. plus Iron Man looks waay cooler that batman.
If Batman can beat Superman (and he has), I don't see what powers Tony could possibly have that Bats can't overcome. And he only looks cooler in his Ultimates armor.

[nevermore]

oh dear lord...

Ultimates Iron Man looks ridiculous. >.< lmao.

[fatmancomics]

oh dear lord...

Ultimates Iron Man looks ridiculous. >.< lmao.

Really? It was the one that made the most sense to me. BTW, what are Tony Starks super powers?

[Huerta]

I'm not sure but he can pretty much use/activate his armor using only his mind. Like he's linked to the system or something.

[Pencilero]

Fine, take away the suits and you have Mr. Wayne mopping the floor with Mr. Stark.

Yeah, well Stark will drink him under the table six ways to Sunday! :P

Wait - Alcoholism is a super power now? Sweet! Where do I get my colored tights?!

Honest - I like Batman, but I'm sick of how DC has built him up as this omniscient hero.

No degree of planning and tinkering is going to save your ass on that Tuesday morning where Superman decides to scramble your brains with his heat vision from orbit. Or Frank Castle lines you up from a couple hundred yards off with an M87elr.

Then again, this wouldn't be Fanboys Unleashed without the constant one upsmanship. :P

Na razie,

Greg

[nevermore]

If Batman can beat Superman (and he has), I don't see what powers Tony could possibly have that Bats can't overcome.

I think it will take more than a shiny rock to beat iron man ;)

[theycallmemisterbob]

Refresh my memory- it's been awhile. Near toward the end of Kingdom Come, just before they dropped the nuclear bombs - wasn't Batman in an armored suit?

I just bring it up to point out again, that there's nothing Tony Stark can buy that Bruce Wayne can't buy- and there's no suit Iron Man can wear, that Batman can't also.

The notion that Iron Man could ever defeat Batman is laughable. Batman probably doesn't need to gear up to face off with Tinhead - but if he wanted to, he could meet him on an equal footing - and then would devastate the glorified soup-can, with his own moves- and then some.

[Captain All That]

Refresh my memory- it's been awhile. Near toward the end of Kingdom Come, just before they dropped the nuclear bombs - wasn't Batman in an armored suit?

I just bring it up to point out again, that there's nothing Tony Stark can buy that Bruce Wayne can't buy- and there's no suit Iron Man can wear, that Batman can't also.

The notion that Iron Man could ever defeat Batman is laughable. Batman probably doesn't need to gear up to face off with Tinhead - but if he wanted to, he could meet him on an equal footing - and then would devastate the glorified soup-can, with his own moves- and then some.

That's retarded... that's like saying if Batman was from Krypton then he could go toe to toe with superman and win... and you'd be right.

Batman is the better fighter... no doubt... but this is Batman vs Ironman not Ironbatman vs Ironman. Even if you put badman in Ironman's suit... Ironman would beat him because he has years of experience with the suit and he designed it himself.... to that end, the two can never be on equal footing.

Ironman beats Batman on Ironman's turf...
Ironman beats Batman on Batman's turf.

It's that simple... Tony has too many sensors and things built into the armor to allow Batman to sneak up on him. Also... the armor responds to Tony's thoughts... The mans a quick thinker... even 6 sheets to the wind.

[fatmancomics]

I think the point that was being made is the Bruce Wayne is just as rich as Tony Stark and so there isn't any technology that Tony could get his hands on (by buying it) that Bruce couldn't either. But again, take the suits away and Bruce wins because he's actually taken the time out to train in the martial arts as opposed to programing the martial arts into his suit and depending on it in a battle.
And having mind powers over your armor only is a stupid power. He's like that morphing girl in Sky High that can only morph into a hampster.

[nevermore]

the fact being that most of what mister stark could get his hands on, he would MAKE and it would not be available for sale.

[Screamus]

O man, I love this topic.
Didn't know it would grow into this...

Okay,
Iron man probably has every sensor imagined inside his suit.
He has the flight advatage.
He could just nuke batman (or even gotham) from afar.
Powersource? The only time I recall IM having a problem with power is when he went invisible (some issues where keron grant was the artist...Best interpretation of IM in my opinion)
Speaking of wich...how does bats fare aginst an invisible opponant?
Not only is stark rich (funds the avengers...does bats fund the justice league?), he builds his stuff and is a GENIOUS (for anyone who says he lacks strategy).

IM's weakness?
I can't think of any EXCEPT that he woudn't kill batman, thus giving bats a second chance, and we all know bats is a dirty fighter so he'd try calling supes for help, who'd neutrilize but not kill stark. Then bats would fight stark man to man.
Then he'd win.

But 1on1?
Iron man all the way.

(just showing off KG's iron man..heck and this was him UNFINISHED!)
http://www.kerongrant.net/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/89.jpg

[nevermore]

Speaking of wich...how does bats fare aginst an invisible opponant?


I'm not a big bats or DC fan, but I'm pretty sure that Bats is most likely an expert blind-fighter. not Daredevil blind fighting, but im pretty sure invisibility wouldnt give IM as big an edge as you might think when going up against Bats.

dont get me wrong, still Iron Man all the way, just wanted to ring in on that.

[CWmax]

But again, take the suits away and Bruce wins because he's actually taken the time out to train in the martial arts as opposed to programing the martial arts into his suit and depending on it in a battle.
....


Tony Stark was trained in hand to hand combat by Capt America- so it's more than just a programmed suit.....I think that Batman probably still has better martial arts skills tho...

One other thing- Tony Stark did not BUY his armor - He made it and has spent years improving its functions....He is not superpowered he just has cybernetic controlls in the helmet that react to his thoughts...Sure bats could buy some armor and probably make some modifications - But stark has LIVED in the armor for years....and he is also a better engineer.

Again- Iron man - Victory from 20,000 feet--- And as far as Batmans "radar" detection- It is foiled by the armors stealth mode...In fact IM probably is sending a false signal to confuse Bats before he pounds him into oblivion with a repulsor blast from above.

Lights out Dark Knight.

CW

[nevermore]

I havent read it yet, but the super powers thing is recent, he took some drug/chemical called Extremis which gave him some kind of powers... I think. When I googled it, thats what i picked up.

[Bruce Lee]

I think it depends on how many beer's Tony has in him. If Stark's belted back a few, he's likely to put a hurtin' on somebody...

My money's on Batman though because he can keep a more consistant costume. ;P

Loston

[Singles]

I think I hate Batman.

[nevermore]

My money's on Batman though because he can keep a more consistant costume. ;P

Loston

Dont blame the heroes for their Artists ADHD :P

[fatmancomics]

Oh man, death from above? Do you really think that IM can fly higher than any of Wayne Industries' satellites? Come on, stop getting far fetched. The idea was Iron Man vs Batman, hand to hand, based on both of their histories and Bats would win.
And as far as I know, the JLA gets most of their goodies from Wayne moneys. But I never really read either Avengers or JLA (though in the cartoon, that's how they funded the tower and all the javelins and the staff) so I could be wrong.

[CWmax]

Oh man, death from above? Do you really think that IM can fly higher than any of Wayne Industries' satellites? Come on, stop getting far fetched. The idea was Iron Man vs Batman, hand to hand, based on both of their histories and Bats would win.....


Heh--I'm sorry to get far fetched in this grouded discussion...But Yes- In fact Iron Man can fly into space.

Plus if it is sraight up , one-on -one, hand to hand combat, Iron Man will CRUSH Batman....The dude can bend steel with no problem- He can pick up a freight train- Plus he has transistor enhanced speed...What is bats gonna do? Karate chop IM's helmet? Throw a headlock on him?....Nope - in a straight up fistfight - Iron Man would break batman worse than Bane....and then he'd go and kick Bane's ass for fun.

[fatmancomics]

Again, you're talking about abilities that Batman has faced and surpassed before.

[G-man_2000]

In an open area with no cover Ironman will have easy air superiority. In a city, warehouse or closed spaced area were Batman is to likely be found, Batman tech and skills would work better. Yet if Ironman had a suit made to counter Batman and Batman did the same that would make for an awesome match! Idea, Stealth Ironman vs. EMP Batman!!!

[CWmax]

Again, you're talking about abilities that Batman has faced and surpassed before.

Bane broke his back- He did not surpass this- Iron Man would break his back.

[Huerta]

Does Iron Man break backs? No. Stay within the characters capabilities.

[CWmax]

Does Iron Man break backs? No. Stay within the chacacters capabilities.

Iron Man is surely capable of breaking backs EASILY....If you are saying it is not in his character to be so violent....Well OK - But then if that's the case then he wouldn't be fighting with Batman in the first place.

All I'm saying is if Batman and Iron Man went toe to toe - By virtue of his strength, speed, and to a lesser extent fighting abilty and tactics, Iron man would DESTROY Batman....

First Batman would break his knuckles trying to punch the Armored Avenger...Then Iron Man would blow off batman's cowel with repulsor rays, Deafen him with an ultra-sound emission, blind him with a blast from the chest beam, crumple him up like a piece of paper, Fly him to the edge of the stratoshpere, and drop bats in the ocean.

[Huerta]

Iron Man doesnt fight like that. Also bats would put together that he is just a man in and Iron Suit, he is the greatest detective in the world, so he will find a way.

[CWmax]

Iron Man doesnt fight like that. Also bats would put together that he is just a man in and Iron Suit, he is the greatest detective in the world, so he will find a way.

Would that be before or after he gets dropped in the ocean?

Iron man does what it takes to win. I don't know why you say he doesn't fight like that....

That's the difficulty with these things....Yes- If Batman had time to plan, and recruit the aid of the JLA, and fight in an area that is advantagous to him, and set traps, and build stuff to beat Iron Man....Then- Yes Batman Wins....Heck - Given time to plan Batman Beats Superman....

But as had been said if this is a straight up brawl between the two then I stand by my original take...Iron Man will Crush Batman

[G-man_2000]

:eek:Funny stuff FUNNY!!!!!:eek:

[CWmax]

:D FANBOYZ UNLEASHED!!!! :D





:rolleyes:

CW

[Huerta]

I'm saying, the Iron Man you're explaining to us F'n psycho. If you wanna make the characters go all crazy, then Bats would just blow up the earth and move to another planet.

[G-man_2000]

Your not serous about that Batman blowing up the planet thing are you?!? Need some thing to drink? Maybe a can of beer.

[Huerta]

If he had to he would.

[Spidey]

Mind over matter would win any day. Bottom line is Batman knows exactly the limitations of ironmans's weaponry and then some. And Don't think he doesn't. You think just because all it takes to defeat Superman is a some kryptonite that batman is gonna look for similar easy solution? No! Batman wil find Ironman's weakness with out a doubt WAY before Ironman even has the willingness to attack. Because Bats trusts nobody and is always expecting the unexpected. You can't just blow him up with some guns thats ridiculous, no matter the magnitude if the guns, Bats wil prevail.

[WillTurner]

The fact is anyone with a magnet can beat Iron Man.

[Captain All That]

That's not a fact there Will... someone tried that and it didn't work.... i don't remember who but Tony "smarted" his way out of it. People seem to think that Batman is smarter than Tony and that's why he'll win but he's no where near as intelligent as Tony. Batman can "plan" for Supes... Batman can attempt to "plan" for Ironman... But Ironman is the total package and once he figures out the trap, either on his own or with the help of his sentient onboard computer, he'll take Batman down two panels later.

To Summarize... Tony Stark is smarter than Bruce Wayne... and he has the power to back up the brains. He wins.

[Chico Blue]

Bah, failing the Iron Man Repellent Bat Spray, as previously suggested, Bats probably has, or could rig up some sort of EMP blast, thus rendering Tony's fancy suit useless. Of course that may require a nuke to go off somewhere in the vincinity of Mr. Stark, but I'm certain that Batman could find a way of accomplishing this. :)

0mg |3@7z 4tw!

[WillTurner]

That's not a fact there Will... someone tried that and it didn't work.... i don't remember who but Tony "smarted" his way out of it. People seem to think that Batman is smarter than Tony and that's why he'll win but he's no where near as intelligent as Tony. Batman can "plan" for Supes... Batman can attempt to "plan" for Ironman... But Ironman is the total package and once he figures out the trap, either on his own or with the help of his sentient onboard computer, he'll take Batman down two panels later.

To Summarize... Tony Stark is smarter than Bruce Wayne... and he has the power to back up the brains. He wins.


How can that not be a fact? The same as you can beat Spiderman with a rolled up newspaper or Superman with croutons.

[TGping]

Stark's newfound powers not only allow him to control everything electronic, he also has the ability to create a nigh impenetrable second skin meant to replace some of the heavier components in his armor, making his reaction time even faster than before, combined with the ability to control his his armor with his mind, which apparently he didn't do up till now.

Also remember that time tony wore the sentient armor and killed whiplash? that lends credence to some people saying that tony would drop bats into the ocean.
Although wearing this armor stark would probably just smack bats around until he breaks his neck, then dropping him into the ocean just like he did to whiplash.

so for all you people saying that Iron man can't be crazy sometimes- you're wrong.

[Screamus]

so for all you people saying that Iron man can't be crazy sometimes- you're wrong.

Correct me if I'm wrong (wich I probably am), but during the onslaught period (I never read any of em :( ) wasn't it tony that went all pyschotic on the avengers and they had to get a young kid stark from another dimension to replace him?
Or was that the thanos thing?

Yeah, he can go nuts.
Without alchohol.

[TGping]

Screamus- you are correct, plus the older stark ripped out the heart of the younger stark when they went head to head.

[Captain All That]

Screamus- you are correct, plus the older stark ripped out the heart of the younger stark when they went head to head.

Ha ha... and you think batman stands a chance... the young Ironman had fricken armor and had his heart ripped out... that Kevlars not going to do bat's much good.

[NickRocks]

iron mans proton cannon would own the sh** out of batman.

plus iron man can fly way high in the air and just shoot missiles down.

batman loses.

whats next, someone will say batman can beat thor?

[nevermore]

course someone will, next we'll hear that batman could beat Galactus 1 on 1 in a physical fight... how? Batman doesnt need explanations cuz hed "find a way" ::rolls eyes::

[theycallmemisterbob]

iron mans proton cannon would own the sh** out of batman.

plus iron man can fly way high in the air and just shoot missiles down.

batman loses.

whats next, someone will say batman can beat thor?

ANTI BATIST! I've said it several times before - Batman owns armor too. I know this, because I've seen the toys, and read teh stories. Anything Iron Man can do, Batman can do better. Let go of the hate!!

[nevermore]

Pretty much everyone has agreed that given prepatory time, Batman would succeed.

Batman HAS armor, but he doesnt habitually run around Gotham in it, so he would not be wearing it when he and Iron Man just happened to get in whatever disagreement causes the fight.

[Teratophile]

Ha batman doesnt need armor.

Gotham City – Convention Hall. Wayne tech sponsored Tech show. Big wigs invited including Antonio stark of stark enterprises.

Bruce Wayne graciously makes his rounds, offering a hand and a drink to Tony Stark. Tony takes the hand but refuses the drink. The two engage in congenial conversation.


Month’s prior –

After a series of technology leaks at Wayne tech, Batman decides to investigate. Leads say the leaked information is being auctioned off to large tech corporations around the globe.

Stark enterprises ceo is also known very publicly as iron man. If Bruce ever has to confront iron man a head to head battle wouldn’t be in batman’s best interest. After a series of observations and deliberation a viral nanite manufactured. When contact is made through the skin the Nanites becomes active burrowing into the victim utilizing blood iron to replicate itself, and blood sugar to power its cells. It then proceeds to ravage inorganic matter. Batman who naturally has access to anti-virus uses his entire body as a host.

A "friendly" handshake becomes Ironman's downfall when Tony later tries to activate the suit.

[WillTurner]

The fact is Mr T would slap both their asses down.

[theycallmemisterbob]

The fact is Mr T would slap both their asses down.

Now, that's just silly. Iron Man, maybe..

[TGping]

bat toys are so non canon. and sure bats has bat armor, but tony has an arsenal of armors. Tony basically makes a living of making armor better than anyone elses. so the fact that batman has some armor is moot, tony would make something better.

and why isn't there a pole for this thread?

[fatmancomics]

course someone will, next we'll hear that batman could beat Galactus 1 on 1 in a physical fight... how? Batman doesnt need explanations cuz hed "find a way"

Welcome to the light...

[nevermore]

lol. smartass.

[jack_of_asses]

i just find it hard to respect heros who wear their underwear on the outside of their pants. i find it even harder to believe that bat man is so smart when he displays behaviour to the contrary for instance batman runs around in tights with a minor in a town with the dumbest commissioner ever. if i were gordon i'd be thinking one thing child endangerment and possible pederist. batman might as well change the name of the bat cave to the neverland ranch how he doesn't get arrested i have no clue. so in answer to your question the drunken avenger would make batman the next contestant on catch a beat down with enough time to make to the bar for cocktail hour. how you bat man fanboys can think that he would stand a chance makes me laugh. who do you think is under that mask? chuck norris.

[[TLG]_Spider-Wal]

I think Bats would win....

you know why ?





cause he has friends in high places.
he can make stark dissapear before ever reaching his battlesuit !

NAAAAAAH !

[-Spider-]

[Spidey]

who do you think is under that mask? chuck norris.
Who do you think Batman was modeled after?

[jack_of_asses]

i don't know micheal jackson or a cub scout leader.

[Screamus]

How is this different from Iron man?

Batman wins because he always wins.

You should go write for Batman.

Fan: WOW! Batman flew into space, beat up the queen alien, defeated galactus and returned to have sex with she hulk without a scratch on him?

Writer: That's right mindless conforming youth. My job here is done.

Fan: How'd he do that?

Writer: BLEPHEMOUS HERETIC NON-BELIVER!! You DARE question a man bold enough to wear those tights? ACCEPT THE TIGHTS! TRUST IN THE TIGHTS! BELIEVE THE TIGHTS!!

Fan: But!

Writer: BELIEVE THEM!!!!! The TIGHTS COMMAND YOU!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

[ielle77]

tony stark

he's more entertaining.
he isn't as angst ridden, but still has some issues to keep him interesting.

His suit could kick batman's suit's ass. hmm utility belt with a bat-a-rang verses a suit that can lift a car. Hold on i need to think about this.

batman is a loner. Tony seems to enjoy working in groups um though i'm not sure what's going on with this civil war stuff. I haven't even seen that comic let alone picked one up.

as for the business side of things stark has wayne knocked to the floor. I don't think wayne even steps into this office anymore, does he? When was the last time he was at a board meeting? Talk about the perfect place to be on the board of directors.

[Wade8813]

Batman. He'll find a way. Doesn't he always?
that could be said of any superhero... and reading the extremis stroryline I'm going with tony on this one. It IS true with any superhero, but that's Batman's shtick. If there's a way to solve it, he'll figure it out. Others get lucky, or get helped to find the answer. Batman figures it out.


Yeah... Batman wouldn't stand a chance... If both were given equal preparation time... Batman's cave would be destroyed with him in it. And Batman could just as easily blow up Stark Towers with Tony in them.


and i think that a freakin ion blast to bats dome could take him out. It probably would, if Batman stood there and took it in the face.


i just don't see it. Batarang vs Armour with lazers, booster rockets, tactical sensors. Its more like stark's wearing a batmobile. Right. Because all Batman has are batarangs.


ummmm.....Iron Man drops laser guided repulsor bombs from 20,000 feet.....Game Over!I'm fairly sure laser guidance systems don't have that kind of range. Also, Bats can always go somewhere to get out of their area of effect.


lmao, Batman is all image and no substance. If you were to sit down and think about it, Batman is by far the cleanest superhero on earth. He doesn't even use guns to hurt his enemies. No wonder villans flock on Gotham, they know if they get caught, all Batman is gonna do is get them thrown in jail. With the exception of Punisher, Wolverine (sometimes), and maybe a few others, that's what EVERY super-hero does. Throw them in jail.


The only reason Batman would win this is because some writer would decide Batman should utilise his secret invincibility powers, that allow him to fight people like Darkseid and survive. The only time I know of that he fought Darkseid, he 1) had Apokoliptian armor, 2) had Motherbox, and 3) still got the crap kicked out of him. And they weren't really fighting - Darkseid just tossed him around. Batman won because he'd already armed Darkseid's armory of Hellspores (which create Fire Pits). Darkseid needed to keep Batman alive to disarm the Hellspores.


If both are given the opportunity to plan ahead Ironman would win... EMP Grenades? Ironman is shielded... Virus... Norton Anti-virus is up to date... I haven't kept up with Iron man 100% (an almost impossible task), but as late as 2001, his armor was able to be temporarily disabled by a virus.


No degree of planning and tinkering is going to save your ass on that Tuesday morning where Superman decides to scramble your brains with his heat vision from orbit. That's true, and Batman's even admitted as much. But he also pointed out that Superman doesn't do that.


Or Frank Castle lines you up from a couple hundred yards off with an M87elr.Sure there are. If there wasn't, Batman would be dead several times over by now.


Refresh my memory- it's been awhile. Near toward the end of Kingdom Come, just before they dropped the nuclear bombs - wasn't Batman in an armored suit? Batman also made a suit a long time ago to help fight Bane.


It's that simple... Tony has too many sensors and things built into the armor to allow Batman to sneak up on him. There are lots of ways to scramble sensors. People do it to Tony all the time. If any old Joe can do it, Batman can certainly do it.


he builds his stuff and is a GENIOUS (for anyone who says he lacks strategy). Being an engineering genius doesn't make you a tactical genius. Captain America has nothing on Tony in the engineering department, but can run circles around him in fighting strategy.


Tony Stark was trained in hand to hand combat by Capt America- so it's more than just a programmed suit.....I think that Batman probably still has better martial arts skills tho... Stark received some training from Cap, but Bats is still lightyears ahead of him.

"Gotta remember what Cap taught me! Stay aware of every adversary-- anticipate their moves-- be ready-- OHWW!" from Invincible Iron Man Annual 2001.


First Batman would break his knuckles trying to punch the Armored Avenger I'M not stupid enough to try to punch a man in a metal suit. Why would Batman do that? He would use explosives (C4 and plastique) in any weak areas of the armor, however.


To Summarize... Tony Stark is smarter than Bruce Wayne... and he has the power to back up the brains. He wins. He may be a smarter engineer, but Batman's way smarter in a lot of other areas.


Also remember that time tony wore the sentient armor and killed whiplash? that lends credence to some people saying that tony would drop bats into the ocean.
He didn't kill Whiplash. They got hit by lightning.


That said, the fight could easily go either way. Without any friends, or the batplane, IM has an advantage in a big area with nowhere to hide, and a lot of room to manuever. Batman has an advantage elsewhere.

[bbbearcounty]

To say the least, this is a brains over brawn battle.
Yes it would just be that easy to blow the @#&% out
of Bats, but it would leave for an uninteresting story
and no one would by it. Well, maybe the anti-Bat fans
will. Anyways, the battle would be a battle of who can
out do the other. It'll end once the stakes are too high.

[ielle77]

tony would buy wayne industries or start some rumor in the stock market and thus cause wayne industries to crash and burn. Bruce would no longer have money for his toys and thus he'd be begging for food as he has no idea how to make money, it was given to him.

Tony (although it was given to him) knows how to make money AND toys. Bruce has to order crap from a catalogue (or morgan freeman if you're talking the movie).

So i think Stark has a solid chance in that scenario

Brawn on brawn, no toys no gagets, Bruce would hand Tony his ass as he's one screwed up individual who does nothing but train. Tony HAD a heart condition (although that's been fixed) but come on even with a brand new heart you're never perfect. Question, when does Tony get time to work out? He's running the avengers, busy with the civil war stuff, runs a fortune 500 company AND invents new toys. I'm thinking those abs were paid for, not earned.

[ielle77]

I haven't kept up with Iron man 100% (an almost impossible task), but as late as 2001, his armor was able to be temporarily disabled by a virus.


i believe that in warren ellis' extremis mini they set tony up with the ability to armor up in a way similar to colossus. basically the yellow part of his armor now comes out of his skin (sweet) and the red part flies up and attaches itself to him. What the injected him with to be able to do this was called a virus, i think... i donno if it's been disabled by a virus in addition to this or not. But last i knew Ellis had suped up Tony pretty well.

[Manji]

*sigh* When will everyone learn that BATMAN WINS!

[Wade8813]

tony would buy wayne industries or start some rumor in the stock market and thus cause wayne industries to crash and burn. Bruce would no longer have money for his toys and thus he'd be begging for food as he has no idea how to make money, it was given to him.
I'm not about to knock Stark Enterprises (heck, when I was younger, I played a marketing game on the computer, and named the company Stark-Wayne Enterprises). But Batman can run circles around him in the business world. Sometimes Bruce pretends he doesn't know anything about business, but he recently deliberately made an enemy of Luthor and Lexcorp, and handled it.

[Jonesy3110]

I think some of you are being really hard on Tony Stark. He may have alcohol problems, and heart problems, but he's still IRON MAN!!! Iron man could punch batman once and knock his head clean off. I like the fact that someone thought to pitt these two against each other, their both very alike.

[Deth]

Batman wins

For the sole reason being that I dont like Iron Man

[Bruce Lee]

Iron Man would lose because the Batcave doesn't have a fully stocked bar. This would cause Tony to finally die of that heart attack he's been staving off for decades.

Loston

[D'man]

I think you guys are missing the more interesting story here, sure it would be fun to watch shell head duke it out with the dark knight, but the story I want to see is one of corporate intrigue. Wayne enterprises make a move on stark industries, and the Tony and Bruce go head to head in corporate intrigue, each trying to outmaneuver the other, like a massive game of chess. You know, secret meetings with stock holders, industrial espionage etc. Bruce is doing it all because he feels stark tech is a threat to the world, and that he would be a better steward of the technology.

THEN we get the head to head slug fest with batman in the bat jet, dog fighting with Iron man...

in the end I suspect a draw, with both parties walking away with a greater respect for the other.

[matches malone]

According to Forbes (specialists and best-known for its many periodic lists of net worth), Bruce is #7 with a net worth of $6.8 billion, while Tony is #8 with $3.0 billion. So if you can do the maths...
Funny thing is that they are both under Mr. Monopoly and Monty Burns.

If there are still questions left unanswered for any of you, let's continue.
It's been said over and over again that if Batman had the time to prepare for the fight, he could beat IM. So what happens when Tony decides to support the Super-human Registration Act? IM's identity is known, but Bats had already figured this out on his own as Stark Industries and Wayne Enterprises play in the same market share. Besides, Tony and Bruce may already have faced each other several times in public matters as charities, royal events, etc.
Being that, Batman is already prepared to face IM when the time needs and he will once again outwit him rather than outfight him.

Nuff said!

[sadman2000]

If Batman could take on most of DC's biggest guns, he could take down Iron Man.

Yeah, if he can take Supes, he can Iron Man.

[Johnny Blaque]

You guys remember that issue of Hush where bats spent the issue running from a Superman willing to kill him and almost did until some freed Clark from Mind control? Same thing'll happen with Iron man vs Batman except without the mind control bit and Stark secretly holding back.

[antquinonez]

batman wins. iron man loses. i dont know what's so hard to understand. :P

[G-man_2000]

The Batman vs. Ironman showdown is now on IGN (http://stars.ign.com/articles/824/824776p1.html) as well. If you wish to make your vote then stop on down.

[Bruce Lee]

Batman wins. Even with a weak back, he can take out a guy with no heart, dressed in a tin can.

The real question is: Who has wrecked more sports cars? The rich, playboy crimefighter, or the rich playboy crimefighter with the liquor cabinet. In this scenerio, Tony has the edge.

Loston

[Wade8813]

You guys remember that issue of Hush where bats spent the issue running from a Superman willing to kill him and almost did until some freed Clark from Mind control? Same thing'll happen with Iron man vs Batman except without the mind control bit and Stark secretly holding back. Right... because comparing Iron Man favorably to Superman makes SO much sense... [/sarcasm]

[HazelNut-624]

batman would pull out his "anti-ironman" spray

[Bobby Day]

You guys remember that issue of Hush where bats spent the issue running from a Superman willing to kill him and almost did until some freed Clark from Mind control? Same thing'll happen with Iron man vs Batman except without the mind control bit and Stark secretly holding back.

Batman teamed up with Catwoman to kidnap Lois Lane before the battle. He was aware that Clark was under mind control. During the battle Batman had Catwoman threten to throw Lois off the edge of a bulding. Seeing Lois in danger brought Superman out of Poison Ivy's mind control and they both went after Ivy. Batman Wins!

As was already mentioned, Batman is extremely paranoid. If both Wane, and Stark lived in the same universe Bruce would know the weakness of Tony's Iron Man armor before the fight.

[Dawnsknight]

Hate to sound like a bandwagon jumper, but Bats would take Stark down if they lived in the same universe.
If it's a crossover, I think it would take Batman a little longer, but he would still find a way through the armor to take down Iron Man.
Batman is a detective, a problem solver a la Sherlock Holmes, he sees things others don't. He also dedicated himself to the study of science, so I don't think it would take him long to figure out the armor is linked to Stark's heart.

[Mr.Hades]

That, or Tony would have hacked the Batcave computer, and disable all of Batman's gear/vehicles and sabotaged Batman's hard work and research to take Stark down.

This one would ultimately depend on who wrote the story and who they wanted to win.

[Dawnsknight]

I guess so, but in No-Man's Land, Batman didn't have high tech gear, and he still took back the city--- i don't think being without the Bat-puter or a bat-spectro-anaylsizer makes a difference...
but it does come down to writer.

So i guess my question is this:
Particular writers aside, who would win based on the presidents set by continuity of each character?

[Mr.Hades]

With some reservation, I'd put my money on Iron Man.

[Bobby Day]

That, or Tony would have hacked the Batcave computer, and disable all of Batman's gear/vehicles and sabotaged Batman's hard work and research to take Stark down.

This one would ultimately depend on who wrote the story and who they wanted to win.

In order to hack into the Batcave computer, Stark would need to know the Batcave exists.

I do agree with you that who would win, depends on who is writing the story.

[Teratophile]

the difference between batman and ironman is that bruce wayne doesnt need tech to hand someone their ass. tony stark does.

[frazman]

In order to hack into the Batcave computer, Stark would need to know the Batcave exists.

And that is the difference for me.

Way back before this thread ever started...Batman had ALREADY HACKED Stark's computers and analyzed the Iron Man armor. He has already analyzed every recorded battle Iron Man has been in and developed a plan to take him out JUST IN CASE he ever had to.

Batman would never engage Iron Man toe to toe in full armor. He would be the first to admit he would lose that contest...so he will never allow himself to be caught in it. The engagement would happen at a time and place of Batman's choosing and Iron Man would never see him coming. Batman probably would not even look like Batman. He would look like an old lady or something equally deceiving and then when close enough, he would take out IM by attacking him when and where he was weakest.

By the way...Batman doesn't kill for one reason only. He knows that it is the only thing that seperates him from say, the Joker.

Bruce Wayne IS insane...brilliant but insane. It is just channeled toward a less destructive outlet.

[Dawnsknight]

Bruce Wayne IS insane...brilliant but insane. It is just channeled toward a less destructive outlet.

THANK YOU!!
I've been saying that for YEARS!!
Glad to see someone else sees it!:lml-:

[Beastie]

I've posted this pic before - but I feel that it still sums up the STARK/WAYNE battle quite well....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/oldstudent/bruce_tony.jpg

[BringerOfStorms]

Batman hands down.

Batman is the worlds greatest detective and would not fall for this "Iron Man is just my corporate body guard" crap from Stark for a second. He would then inflitrate Stark tower, add just the right amount of prune juice to the water supply, place a tap on the camera systems, and then... when Stark is knee deep in his own poopie, drop outta the air duct and punch all his pretty teeth down his throat.

Batman for the win.
:lml-: >D :-lml:
~BoS

[Rez Black]

Bottom line? They are both very techno-savy, but Tony's just not as clever as Batman is. No one is. You're telling me that Batman cant find a way to beat a guy in an iron suit? Aside from that, it wouldnt even need to be a physical competition. Bruce could easily outwit Tony. Hell, thats his whole character. Outsmarting.

..and I dont even LIKE Batman that much....

[larq2525]

Iron Man can fly and has both full body armor and laser beams (or repulsor rays if we're being specific).

Batman has a cape and an underage, bare-legged sidekick.

Catch my drift?

Everyone loves Batman so much that they're just happy to hear about him winning in all these fights against much more powerful characters such as Superman, but there's no magic green rock that can hurt Iron Man. Sure, Bats could be carrying an EMP grenade in his belt or some such nonsense, but there are only so many pouches in that thing and I refuse to believe that he has one of every single gadget he's ever needed or used in there at any given time.

In short, Iron Man would wipe his "shiny metal ass" with Batman...

...in my world, anyway.

[malachimanson]

Do you even read batman. First off Dick hasn't been batman's sidekick for over 20 years. The current Robin has legs. Second Batman can beat Superman. I'm sure batman has some emp device in his belt that he will set off and Ironman would drop like a skyscraper.

[Wade8813]

While it's true that Batman can't have every device on him at once, EMPs are very useful. I think I'd be more surprised if Batman didn't have one with him.

That said, I believe Tony made his armor to be at least resistant to EMPs.

[larq2525]

Do you even read batman. First off Dick hasn't been batman's sidekick for over 20 years. The current Robin has legs.

I am fully aware that there have been multiple Robins since the days of Dick Grayson and that their costumes have been comprised of much more fabric than the original. I was merely trying infuse some humor into my reply to the topic.

[Craig DeBoard]

Batman would have one hell of a fight on his hands, sure. But look at it this way:

Could Captain America take Batman?

Hell no he couldn't!

Yet Cap could take down Ironman. He essentially just beat the dog shit out of him at the end of Civil War.

'Nuff said.

[larq2525]

Could Captain America take Batman?

Hell no he couldn't!

Yet Cap could take down Ironman. He essentially just beat the dog shit out of him at the end of Civil War.

What you've essentially just proven is that there will never be a solid answer to a question like this one. It will always depend on who is conceiving of the fight, be it the writer of a comic or a fan who is trying to work out the answer in his/her head based on his/her own personal preference of character.

I still think that Iron Man would win, but the key words there are "I" and "think".

[Craig DeBoard]

What you've essentially just proven is that there will never be a solid answer to a question like this one. It will always depend on who is conceiving of the fight, be it the writer of a comic or a fan who is trying to work out the answer in his/her head based on his/her own personal preference of character.

I still think that Iron Man would win, but the key words there are "I" and "think".

I just don't get why? If Batman can control friggin' satelites, what makes you think he can't make the Ironman armor take out Tony Starke?

[larq2525]

I just don't get why? If Batman can control friggin' satelites, what makes you think he can't make the Ironman armor take out Tony Starke?

Batman and Iron Man are put in a room together and decide to fight. Iron Man blasts Batman with a repulsor ray. Fight over.

I realize that this is a rather simple scenario and in a comic book that is supposed to be entertaining for the reader there are a lot more variables that would go into the fight, and neither character would probably immediately resort to extreme physical violence, but this is the way I see it working.

If the scenario were "Iron Man and Batman are in a room where Batman is standing in front of a computer with his finger hovering over a button that will cause a satellite to immediately shut down Tony's armor", then I would say Batman would win. But if we're just talking Batman and Iron Man going at it under normal circumstances, in my mind Tony just has to point his hand at Batman and before Bruce can so much as pull out a batarang, Stark has blasted his ass off.

[Wade8813]

Batman would have one hell of a fight on his hands, sure. But look at it this way:

Could Captain America take Batman?

Hell no he couldn't!

Yet Cap could take down Ironman. He essentially just beat the dog shit out of him at the end of Civil War.

'Nuff said. Actually, Cap and Bats fought to a standstill in one of the crossovers.

And Cap's shield being virtually indestructible is really important against Iron Man, but less so against Batman.

[Craig DeBoard]

Actually, Cap and Bats fought to a standstill in one of the crossovers.

And Cap's shield being virtually indestructible is really important against Iron Man, but less so against Batman.

Well if you're going by that logic then Batman wins. If Cap can defeat Ironman, but only fight Bats to a standstill, then there is no reason Bats should lose.

Also to be fair, Bats is "The World's Greatest Detective". By all rights he should have the jump on Tony, before he gets the chance to armor up.

[larq2525]

Also to be fair, Bats is "The World's Greatest Detective". By all rights he should have the jump on Tony, before he gets the chance to armor up.

Isn't Iron Man like...one with his armor these days? In the Warren Ellis written Extremis storyline I recall that Tony using his mind to draw the pieces of his suit to him or something. If that's the case, it's not like he's got to sit around yanking his metal boots on or anything.

[Iron_man451]

this is total BS!!batman is smart don't get me wrong but tony is a hellava alot smarter.and batman may be strong but tonys suit gives him way more stength plus he has a nerve injection that gives him (in the suit) faster reaction time and the ability to monitor the air ways (as in communications and stuff) with his F!&!KING mind. So yes it'd be a good fight but iron man wouldwin out in the end

[Dawnsknight]

yeesh, this debate is still going.
It would be a tough fight for both, going by established info.
-In the big Avengers/JLA crossover, Batman and CapA fought to a standstill... it was just sparring, they tested each other and both admitted that they would have a difficult time defeating the other,though they both felt they could if they tried.-CapA did beat Ironman in Civil War (I don't know the details beyond that).
-Batman is a normal human who uses deductive reasoning, peak human physical and mental conditioning, martial arts, fear and guerilla tactics and scientific genius to defeat his opponents.
-Iron Man is a normal human who uses advanced technology, scientific genius, martial arts (I think, anyone can correct me on if he learned martial arts when he was a prisoner of The Mandarin?) and military tactical knowledge to defeat his opponents.
-Batman uses his limited power to go toe to toe against and stand alongside the most powerful people on earth/beyond.
-Ironman uses his limitied personal power,and the extreme power of his suit to do the same.
-Batman is an obsessive control freak, who cannot let go of his parents death. His back has been broken, though he has recovered.
-Ironman is a recovered(ing) alcoholic. He has a heart condition due to a military accident, and his suit assists in keeping him alive.
Both men are rich, have vast resources and connections.
-Batman's close friend is an alien with the powers of a god, (to whom he has never backed down).
-Ironman's close friend (well maybe not anymore) is a god.
(whom he had cloned to use as a weapon)
-Batman has a network of people he can call on to gather intel,conduct espionage,subterfuge,sabotage, etc
-Ironman is the head of a spy network.
-Batman is Batman, others have tried to replace him, but none have succeeded.
-Ironman may be a Skrull.

Discuss.

[Wade8813]

this is total BS!!batman is smart don't get me wrong but tony is a hellava alot smarter.and batman may be strong but tonys suit gives him way more stength plus he has a nerve injection that gives him (in the suit) faster reaction time and the ability to monitor the air ways (as in communications and stuff) with his F!&!KING mind. So yes it'd be a good fight but iron man wouldwin out in the end No way. Batman's way smarter. Tony may be better in his one area (engineering), but Batman's at least almost as good in that area (and maybe just as good), but is better in almost every other area. Tony is stronger while in the suit. Batman naturally has faster reflexes. And while Batman may not have a mental link to the police scanners, it is built into his suit.



Iron Man is a normal human who uses advanced technology, scientific genius, martial arts (I think, anyone can correct me on if he learned martial arts when he was a prisoner of The Mandarin?) and military tactical knowledge to defeat his opponents. I'm not completely up to date on Iron man stuff, but he's said that he learned a little bit from Cap, but isn't very good.

[ntholdenuk]

man 14 pages on this. thats a bit much. Anyone who thinks iron man would win is really just fooling themselves. come on, its Batman. That should be the end of discussion.

[larq2525]

man 14 pages on this. thats a bit much. Anyone who thinks iron man would win is really just fooling themselves. come on, its Batman. That should be the end of discussion.

But it ain't. Tony ftw.

[SHAMWOW!]

how about movie batman vs movie ironman

[theycallmemisterbob]

man 14 pages on this. thats a bit much. Anyone who thinks iron man would win is really just fooling themselves. come on, its Batman. That should be the end of discussion.

Finally, a clear thinker!

[Wolfegang]

It kind of seems pretty obvious to me. Batman and Iron Man are a lot alike. Essentially they're both rich geniuses with technology. This lead me to do a little research on which has the most money and which is the smartest. Business Week's ranking of smartest superheroes has Batman in second place with Iron Man right behind him.
http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/may2006/pi20060531_495737.htm

Next is richest. Forbes constantly makes a list of the richest fictional characters which Iron Man has been on before but Batman is still higher on the list.
http://www.forbes.com/2002/09/13/400fictional.html

So if you have two superheroes that rely on money and intelligence and one is smarter and has more money it seems fairly obvious who will win.

You could of course say that Iron Man's suit is more high tech and gives him a great advantage, but that's just nonsense. Batman has had several suits just as high tech throughout different story lines but usually he doesn't use them most of the time. It's kind of hard to rely on stealth and be ninja-like when you're clunking around in a huge metal suit.

Several have made the statement that Batman would need time to prepare and that in a surprise situation Iron Man would whoop him. But with Batman there's little chance of a surprise situation ever. He's smart enough to analyze any possible threat in the future, even current allies, so that he can insure he'll win. So as soon as Batman ever found out about Iron Man's existence he would be downloading schematics of the suit, creating devices to shut it down, planting tracking devices, etc. Unless Batman were completely unaware of Iron Man's being alive he would never be unprepared.

My last point is simply that Iron Man has allowed people to sneak into his home and paralyze him, became an alcoholic, and has lost control of his company and fortune MANY!!! times throughout his story line. How smart can he be? lol

[smygba]

It kind of seems pretty obvious to me. Batman and Iron Man are a lot alike. Essentially they're both rich geniuses with technology. This lead me to do a little research on which has the most money and which is the smartest. Business Week's ranking of smartest superheroes has Batman in second place with Iron Man right behind him.
http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/may2006/pi20060531_495737.htm

Next is richest. Forbes constantly makes a list of the richest fictional characters which Iron Man has been on before but Batman is still higher on the list.
http://www.forbes.com/2002/09/13/400fictional.html

So if you have two superheroes that rely on money and intelligence and one is smarter and has more money it seems fairly obvious who will win.

You could of course say that Iron Man's suit is more high tech and gives him a great advantage, but that's just nonsense. Batman has had several suits just as high tech throughout different story lines but usually he doesn't use them most of the time. It's kind of hard to rely on stealth and be ninja-like when you're clunking around in a huge metal suit.

Several have made the statement that Batman would need time to prepare and that in a surprise situation Iron Man would whoop him. But with Batman there's little chance of a surprise situation ever. He's smart enough to analyze any possible threat in the future, even current allies, so that he can insure he'll win. So as soon as Batman ever found out about Iron Man's existence he would be downloading schematics of the suit, creating devices to shut it down, planting tracking devices, etc. Unless Batman were completely unaware of Iron Man's being alive he would never be unprepared.

My last point is simply that Iron Man has allowed people to sneak into his home and paralyze him, became an alcoholic, and has lost control of his company and fortune MANY!!! times throughout his story line. How smart can he be? lol

Batman's so smart he gets his back broken. ¬_¬

[Wade8813]

Batman's so smart he gets his back broken. Having your back broken doesn't really relate to intelligence. Bane could break Einstein's back too...

[smygba]

Yeh, but if Batman's so smart, he should've been prepared for that!

[Wade8813]

Should we talk about all the idiotic things Tony's done?

BTW - I thought this was funny

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NlLeCu63HCA

There's several related videos by the same guy - they're all hilarious.

[ielle77]

My last point is simply that Iron Man has allowed people to sneak into his home and paralyze him, became an alcoholic, and has lost control of his company and fortune MANY!!! times throughout his story line. How smart can he be? lol

uh not so sure if you mean the film about the sneaking into the house paralyzing stuff.. cuz as far as i know that hasn't happened in comics. You can't judge a character based on the movie.

also the breaking in is by two genius level folks. Nick Fury and Obediah Stane. I'm sure both could break into batman's cave if they knew where it was. Same with Lex luther.

as for alcholism plenty of smart people have been abusers of something. Its hard to be a genius, many go insane. In fact you could argue that Batman is crazy. So i wouldn't judge his choice in self medication too harshly. If anything he should be applauded for being clean and sober now. .. that is were he real lol :D

[chu214]

Batman is an excellent strategist, his most well-known ability. Ironman is an engineer.

Batman, according to Business Week is more intelligent than Ironman. But I think I wouldn't stand to sit around Batman in a cave for 6hours listening to him blab about secret hideouts and plan something to catch a crook. -.- I'd enjoy watching Tony invent a new gadget or two, all the while laughing at his crazy antics. FYI, Tony built his first engine at the age of 5.

True, Bruce Wanye is also richer than Tony Stark. But please, most girls would date Tony than Bruce. I mean, c'mon. Who'd date and emo rich-guy when you could date a someone as entertaining and as sexy-hot as Tony Stark!^^

When it comes to weaponry, I'd go for Ironman. Batman has everything for goodness sake! The money, the brains! But he still settles for that rubber suit he's wearing. They all say he has everything in his utility belt, well ok, we'll give him that. The radar, bombs whatever else. But he has to PULL them out first. As for Ironman, he can take calls in a mid-air, highspeed, jet-fighter chase with missile heading his way no prob. Nuff said.


I'd go for Ironman.

[Wolfegang]

Wow, apparently everyone missed my point. My last statement was

"My last point is simply that Iron Man has allowed people to sneak into his home and paralyze him, became an alcoholic, and has lost control of his company and fortune MANY!!! times throughout his story line. How smart can he be? lol"

That was obviously a bit of sarcasm and not really related at all. My main point was both are rich geniuses. So who is gonna be the better? The one that is smarter and has more money. Both go to Batman.

People are still mentioning Tony's better suit but as I've said already, Batman has had several suits just as high tech as Iron Man's. He usually doesn't wear them though and prefers his original. It's hard to be stealthy in a large, heavy, noisy, suit.

[malachimanson]

uh not so sure if you mean the film about the sneaking into the house paralyzing stuff.. cuz as far as i know that hasn't happened in comics. You can't judge a character based on the movie.

also the breaking in is by two genius level folks. Nick Fury and Obediah Stane. I'm sure both could break into batman's cave if they knew where it was. Same with Lex luther.

as for alcholism plenty of smart people have been abusers of something. Its hard to be a genius, many go insane. In fact you could argue that Batman is crazy. So i wouldn't judge his choice in self medication too harshly. If anything he should be applauded for being clean and sober now. .. that is were he real lol :D

Stark was parlyzed in the comic books for a time. He also had a Superboy ripoff running around as well.

I love Iron Man but when they recycle not one but two major DC arcs into one.

[chu214]

Yeah, Batman can be as high tech as Iron Man, no question about that. But the Hot Rod colors and the sleek design of Tony's suit are way cooler than black and gray and rubber nipples. :lml-: >D :-lml:

It's proven that Batman is the better detective, fighter, strategist or whatever else. But in my opinion, Tony brings much more umf in a movie. Watching Batman Begins was a bore.

Money, Brains: I'd give that to Batman.
Entertainment, Sexy-hot, Charm: Tony Stark *drool*

[Wade8813]

Watching Batman Begins was a bore. BLASPHEMY!!!

[chu214]

This thread is all about opinion, as far as I can tell. And my opinion is that Batman Begins was a bore.

It goes down to what the viewer's taste is. So just because you think Batman is some kind of god, that doesn't mean other's can't prefer other Superhero movies.;)

I just really think Batman's character is too flat. Although there's his never say die attitude [like all other superheroes], I still think that listening to him is boring. The dark, mysterious side is very intriguing at first but it gets redundant.

While Tony's character, well, his imperfections make him perfect.:D The only thing I don't like about Tony Stark is his drinking problem. But overall, his crazy-fun, care-free, 'don't care what others think', play-boy, billionaire-genius and sexy-hot<3 image, won me over.

It's all about the character design, baby. Not just how they blast things to oblivion, we all know they both can.

[theycallmemisterbob]

I love that this thread is going two years later. Clearly this argument will never be settled. Vindication for me, Back in the day, I felt like I was just about the only one representing for the Bat.

I wonder though. Wouldn't it better, rather than ranting to infiinity, that we settle this with art? Let's take this into the Proving Ground. Whoever wins the draw-off, their hero is champ, now and forever.

[Wade8813]

I wonder though. Wouldn't it better, rather than ranting to infiinity, that we settle this with art? Let's take this into the Proving Ground. Whoever wins the draw-off, their hero is champ, now and forever. Jim Lee already won this one for Batman... ;)

[Victor-17]

ya know , after seeing the movie, i gotta go with Ironman on this one. It pains me to say so.

Mano y mano, no suit, no toys, it's no contest then that Bats takes him.

[Popcorn]

I'm going to go with the only head-to-head comparision that I know of that's possible for the two. Steve Rogers.

Batman took the Captain to a standstill back in the Marvel vs. DC crossover.

Iron Man lost a fight with Cap at the end of Civil War and only walked away because Cap let him. ((though to be honest, i can't remember if Cap had help disabling him or not))

Unless I missed something, that has to say that Batman wins, even though my own personal betting money gets laid on Stark.

Also, you can't compare intelligences. Bruce is a detective. Tony is an engineer and 'futurist'. That's like saying a chemist is smarter than a writer, or a gymnast is more athletic than a triathlete. You're comparing incompatible but similar things.

[Wild&Uncouth]

Batman has the stronger heart and he was never an alcoholic.

[BIOHAZARD]

O.K this has crossed my mind A LOT but I did some thinking and Batman would win.I READ A Batman encyclopedia and batman has an electronic scrambler in I think his 4th part of his belt to the left whicn he could use on Ironman and leave him powerlessto defend himself or flee.Batman would kick some iron butt.

[Darkestknight]

As soon as Ironman opened his cockyt mouth batman would have a plan instantly. Tony stark doesn't do anything in that suit now it does all the moving and is programes to counter all hand to hand situations. Im guessing that considering how resorceful batrman is he's probably just find a way to strap him to the bat plain drag him to and Magnetic field and then open him up and leave tony stark to walk home. Thats Batman I bet he takes less then three steps and doesn't even break a sweat.

[CajunKhan]

Iron Man wins, of course. Smarter, more powerful, just entirely on another level.

[CajunKhan]

I'm going to go with the only head-to-head comparision that I know of that's possible for the two. Steve Rogers.

Batman took the Captain to a standstill back in the Marvel vs. DC crossover.

Iron Man lost a fight with Cap at the end of Civil War and only walked away because Cap let him. ((though to be honest, i can't remember if Cap had help disabling him or not))

Unless I missed something, that has to say that Batman wins, even though my own personal betting money gets laid on Stark.

Also, you can't compare intelligences. Bruce is a detective. Tony is an engineer and 'futurist'. That's like saying a chemist is smarter than a writer, or a gymnast is more athletic than a triathlete. You're comparing incompatible but similar things.

Iron Man did not lose to Cap. Vision amped by 30th century tech took Iron Man out with a sneak-attack, and then Cap pounded on an already defeated opponent.

[MarvelousDCGrl]

If Batman can beat Superman (and he has), I don't see what powers Tony could possibly have that Bats can't overcome. And he only looks cooler in his Ultimates armor.

Dude... my grandma could beat superman if she had some kryptonite on hand cmon now


I heart me some Batman too but I mean... yeah he could duck n dodge Iron Man for awhile... but sooner or later... Iron Man gonna get a a hit in... or he could always grab on to him and take a lil trip towards the moon... Unless Batman's suit is equipped with some super thermals and an oxygen tank... no no no... I don't doubt Batman has better strategy, but when it comes down to it... I see Iron Man coming out victorious...Plus, Batman refuses to kill people... Iron Man will kill if he needs to... so Ultimately... Batman can't win if he's dead...

[NickRocks]

iron man visits gotham to negotiate a merger between stark and waynetech. bruce wayne laughs in his face. tony gets hammered to feel like less of a loser, picks up some gotham hookers for a few cleveland steamers.

batman's on patrol when a drunky, dirty chested iron man blasts him for no reason other than hes drunk and bored. "iron man" batman says. "ive been planning for this" he slaps a device on the back of iron mans armor *you know, in that spot on your back that you just cant reach. the device shuts down tonys armor completely and it collapses off him. batman then proceeds to beat tony up and call him a sloppy undisciplined punk. then he does a hostile takeover of stark because he's the goddamn batman.

/thread

[SumOne]

iron man visits gotham to negotiate a merger between stark and waynetech. bruce wayne laughs in his face. tony gets hammered to feel like less of a loser, picks up some gotham hookers for a few cleveland steamers.

batman's on patrol when a drunky, dirty chested iron man blasts him for no reason other than hes drunk and bored. "iron man" batman says. "ive been planning for this" he slaps a device on the back of iron mans armor *you know, in that spot on your back that you just cant reach. the device shuts down tonys armor completely and it collapses off him. batman then proceeds to beat tony up and call him a sloppy undisciplined punk. then he does a hostile takeover of stark because he's the goddamn batman.

/thread
classic batman scenario

[Bruce Lee]

Batman shows up the fight with a case of booze. In half an hour, Wayne Enterprises announces they have acquired Stark International.

GAME
OVER

[Aurelius]

I like Batman a lot. He use to be a human guy with some problems, mania if you will, and fought crime. Now, Batman has become a human who when the tide turns against him, becomes a demigod of a scientist, fighter, inventor, and so on. Batman had a tough time against Lady Shiva in "A Death in the Family", she was human. He had a tough time against Bane and he was human with some drug issues. But when Batman is with the JLA, he becomes....something else it seems.

Tony Starks:

"Tony Stark is an inventive genius whose expertise in the fields of mathematics, physics, chemistry, computers, and engineering rival that of Reed Richards, Hank Pym, and Bruce Banner. He is regarded as one of the most intelligent scientists in the Marvel Universe. He graduated with advanced degrees in physics and engineering at the age of 21 from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)[26] and further developed his knowledge ranging from artificial intelligence to quantum mechanics as time progressed."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Starks

Batman's father was a doctor. And yet, somehow, he inherits a multi billion dollar company.....(but Thomas Wayne does not have a driver to pick him up from the movies/opera from one of the worst neighborhoods?).
I guess they revised his origins.
Tony would win this 6 - 8 times out of 10. He has that suit which would pretty much stops Batman on almost all occasion if this is the regular Batman. The JLA Batman or the late 2000 Batman, who knows. You can't like Batman because he is human and then reaonably justify the point on how he becomes a demigod when he has to fight someone above his level.

Here is a charitable scenario:

Establishing shot: Crime Alley

Batman (gruff voice): I am the dark knight. I will brood and bend down on my knees over a gargoyle without getting cramps.
Iron Man: Hey you, get off that ledge. Life is worth living.

Batman throws batarangs. And tries to hide in the "shadows". Ironman lights up the whole square block and thinks Batman is a criminal because in the comics heroes use to fight because of a "misunderstanding". Ironman laughs and knocks Batman out with a simple slap.

[Wade8813]

Just for the record, Crime Alley wasn't Crime Alley until after the Waynes were murdered.

[oqnet]

So I call a draw based on insanity. Neither of them would kill eachother, IM isn't going to nuke Gothlem City just to get batman. Batman isn't going to call in Clark just because he's having a bad day. Bruce is going to over estimate IM and IM is going to underestimate Batman..

I agree it would come down to a writer but this is what I think would happen:

I think batman would have some sort of boomberang that would be able to imobilze IM for a short term(I'm really thinking some sort of insane cabling that would wrap around him with crazy textile strength). Then bats would throw a bunch of incinerary granades at him to try and expose a weakness. IM would escape but be slightly damaged. The suite would compensate for the damage, IM would attack batman knocking him to the ground(not killing him). While he appeared to be out cold IM would come over to asses the damage he inflicted on batman and batman would take advantage of one of the weeknesses in IM's armour(batman lowering his breathing rate to trick the sensors in IM's costume). This is where it could go either way, IM could withstand this and take out Batman, or the weekness would work and batman would win at that point.

The final thing is if batman looses robin comes out with the batmobile and run him down. Then War machine comes out and takes out Robin and the Bat Mobile.

[Deth]

emp batman wins

[marcelino]

"... (Batman) he will ... outwit him rather than outfight him (Ironman).Nuff said!

Ironman's suit is a marvel that can't be questioned but indeed Bruce is street smart. He's rolled with the punches and he doesn't depend on functionality of a suit to keep fighting. Batman has true grit.

I consider myself Marvel fan but Batman is one of the few exceptions. That and I hate Ironman. Give me the suit and let's see what I can do against Batman.

[marcelino]

/thread

:eek: I agree with you but even if I didn't that's a cool ending to a post.

[CajunKhan]

The armor has taken nukes, it'll take anything Bats has. Iron Man wins easily. Even pitting them against each other is silly and should not have gone on this long.

[Beastie]

Even pitting them against each other is silly and should not have gone on this long.

Bats would win. He'd hack into Iron Man's suit before the fight and put some bugs and viruses in there. Then he'd set those running via remote control during the fight - and make Iron Man do all kinds of crazy shit -- before kicking his ass.

Woo! Go Batman!

[What?]

Wow, is this still going on?

Iron Man wins.

Anything even hinting that Batman would win involves a plot device and a lot of luck.

It's like saying Thanos can defeat anybody with enough prep time.

Derr.

Squirrel Girl can defeat a Celestial with enough fuzzy rodents and a sunny disposition.

[Beastie]

Wow, is this still going on?

I refuse to let it die.


Iron Man wins.

Batman wins.






See, ..........................this could go on FOREVER! :D

[ielle77]

HA! squirrel Girl. Love the randomness of that.

[What?]

See, this could go on FOREVER! :D

Pencil Jack won't let me Up your reputation any more...

[Beastie]

Pencil Jack won't let me Up your reputation any more...

You've made me blush :o :)

[Tatty]

captain america had iron man down in civil war, and cap doesn't even HAVE computer hacking skills.

bats:x

[NickRocks]

Wow, is this still going on?

Iron Man wins.

Anything even hinting that Batman would win involves a plot device and a lot of luck.

It's like saying Thanos can defeat anybody with enough prep time.

Derr.

Squirrel Girl can defeat a Celestial with enough fuzzy rodents and a sunny disposition.

this is the silliest argument for iron man i've ever read. any sort of ANYTHING is going to be a plot device. Iron man showing up and just repulsor blasting batman is a plot device. batman slapping a device on iron mans chest to render his armor immobile is a plot device.





























and btw, thanos does beat everyone. except the odinson

[What?]

A repulsor blast is part of Iron Man's chest array, which is a part of what makes him Iron Man.

A Plot Device is something specially formulated for a particular story that turns the tide in one's favor.

If Bruce typically carries an EM disruptor in his utility belt, the introduction of such a tool would be considered a device introduced to the fight between himself and Iron Man after he realized what he was dealing with.

Now, if Batman was using stealth in a way so extreme, that Iron Man's visual sensors could not pick him up, and he had to upgrade his infrared, night vision, heat vision, ecco location, or whatever, then that would be considered a plot device derived from the issues Tony had fighting the Bat.

[What?]

Now, if we consider that Batman's Utility Belt is a plot device (much like Reed Richards), then the argument can be made that Batman will have a tool that'll allow him to beat Iron Man.

Still though...

Range and Firepower still puts Iron Man in favor.

[Darkestknight]

Batman is a man that has consistantly proved that he already knows the outcome. Even in other crossover comics Batman has been the more resorceful. If Ironman even set foot in Gotham Batman would have him blow down if Batman set food in LA he would blow IRonman down. Would it be a good fight? Not even Batman would come up with a stratagy that probably feeds Tony Starks ego and keep him talking then out of nowhere POW something awesome or Ironman would corner Batman then GOTCHA.

[Neon Neuron]

"I'm Batman"
Thats all that needs to be said.

[turnbolt]

Bottom line is this all comes down to preparation. If Batman knew he would have to face Iron Man then he would figure a way to defeat him. In a surprise confrontation he loses.

If this really happened in comics, the story would involve two fights... one in which Bats is caught in a spontaneous confrontation... is unprepared... and gets worked over but survives it... the next fight (days later) would involve Batman with cracked ribs and other various injuries tracking down Iron Man and confronting him a second time with some device that allows Batman to F**K him up bigtime and ultimately, Batman would come out on top...

[tj121]

Batman wins, 'nuff said. He has taken down plenty of armored heros/villains in his own universe. Plus I think it just comes down to Bat's being far more ruthless than Tony.

[JPS017]

MacGyver would solve the dispute and there would be no fight.

Thread ends.

[pigeonmilk]

Iron man has just a suit, Batman can make one but better.

[supersalt32]

Iron man is Tech smart, while Bats is break ur neck smart.


hahaha smooth.

However, I'd take Ironman... I mean one blast to the face and Bruce is out for the count.