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Ugga Bugga

03-15-2005, 03:09 PM

Someone talked about there being OC fans here. I know there are some wrestling fans here.

For those wrestling fans here I have one question.

Do you think that McMahon paid Jake Roberts and Marty Janetty in crack?

Vargas Prime

03-15-2005, 03:21 PM

Roberts, definitely. That's probably the only way to get him out of the house these days. That man has had one effed-up life. If you've seen "Beyond the Mat", you know what I'm saying.

Janetty, I have no idea. I haven't heard much about him since the Rockers' days. Then again, I'm not as up on the "inside info" as a lot of wrestling fans. I thought the tag match with Janetty and Michaels was pretty good last night... Then again, I was half-watching, and half-drawing...

So what do you think? Orton takes out the Undertaker? I'm having trouble calling this one...

Also, I can't see any way they can hype the Batista/Triple H thing for SOOOOO long, and NOT give him the belt now... so how long do you think he keeps it after Wrestlemania?

Popninja

03-15-2005, 03:26 PM

*wipes a tear*

I can't believe someone here is actually talking about wrestling.

*grabs a tissue*

It's almost too good to be true.

*blows nose*

Janetty actually performed quite well. I wasn't expecting him to be in any kind of shape, much less perform as well as he did. A Rockers reunion was something I could have never imagined...until I watched it last night. I've been watching wrestling since '83, so that was something special. Okay, not really, but...

Jake Roberts looked just as sad as he did in Beyond The Mat. I feel so bad for him. I actually think that this is where McMahon shows his true colors; bringing in this guy who's got major issues and just using him. I would think maybe he's getting better healthwise, otherwise they wouldn't have used him, but he looked HORRIBLE. I would rather remember Jake the Snake the way he was back in the 80s.

Hey, I hear that Spike TV is actually dropping WWE. I think that's insanity, but apparently WWE is looking for a new TV home.

Ugga Bugga

03-15-2005, 03:29 PM

Janetty has had his problems with drugs. Not as bad as Jake Roberts. It's a shame with Jake. He used to be able to send shivers up your spine, just by talking. Great wrestling personality. He could hardly spit out a sentence last night. His short arm clothesline looked okay though.

Rockers match was actually quite good. Very entertaining. They always were.

I would love to see Janetty help Angle over Michaels at Wrestlemania, setting up a Janetty, Michael's Feud. Michael's threw Janetty out the Barbershop window, and went through the roof in popularity. If Janetty can wrestle, which it looks like he can, this could be a pretty compelling storyline.

I think UT finally does the job at Wrestlemania to elevate Orton. This would solidify Orton's Legend Killer Status, and would not hurt UT one bit. It would help re-propel Orton to main event status.

Batista will win the belt. If he doesn't he is ruined.

Popninja

03-15-2005, 03:32 PM

So what do you think? Orton takes out the Undertaker? I'm having trouble calling this one...

Also, I can't see any way they can hype the Batista/Triple H thing for SOOOOO long, and NOT give him the belt now... so how long do you think he keeps it after Wrestlemania?

It's hard to call. If Orton was actually on Smackdown, I could see it. But for the Undertaker to do the job to someone without any real buildup, I just don't see it. I think the streak will continue.

And they're going to carry this HHH/Batista fued into Summerslam, so I don't see Batista getting the belt. It's just not going to happen. There will be shenanigans. I think they'll give the belt to Cena, but I don't see HHH giving his up at Wrestlemania. He tapped to Benoit last year; he won't do it two years in a row.

But I could be wrong on both counts.

Ugga Bugga

03-15-2005, 03:32 PM

Jake Roberts looked just as sad as he did in Beyond The Mat. I feel so bad for him. I actually think that this is where McMahon shows his true colors; bringing in this guy who's got major issues and just using him. I would think maybe he's getting better healthwise, otherwise they wouldn't have used him, but he looked HORRIBLE. I would rather remember Jake the Snake the way he was back in the 80s.

I disagree. Randy Orton has the legend killer gimmick. Jake is a legend, even though he is a cracked out legend. He is one of the true greats in the business. It is sad, but I don't fault Vince for using him in this capacity. He was in his home town. Why not.

Ichbin Der Ausgang

03-15-2005, 04:02 PM

It's hard to call. If Orton was actually on Smackdown, I could see it. But for the Undertaker to do the job to someone without any real buildup, I just don't see it. I think the streak will continue.

And they're going to carry this HHH/Batista fued into Summerslam, so I don't see Batista getting the belt. It's just not going to happen. There will be shenanigans. I think they'll give the belt to Cena, but I don't see HHH giving his up at Wrestlemania. He tapped to Benoit last year; he won't do it two years in a row.

But I could be wrong on both counts.

I dont know if they would let Batista win for 'political' reasons
Same reasons it took Rock Years to beat Austin at WrestleMania

'Tista just hasnt paid his dues enough yet.
Its going to be a great match but Im sure there are Vets that would hang Batista at high noon if he won at WRESTLEMANIA after only being in the big leagues for a relatively short time

On another note. How awesome was that shot Benoit took to the stairs??? I rewound that hit about a dozen times

Oh yeah, Has Jannety been doing Any company wrestling over the years?
I would like to know the result of the lawsuit that pushed him out of the WWF

penciljack

03-15-2005, 04:06 PM

Ichbin Der Ausgang

03-15-2005, 04:10 PM

Whether he's being "used" or not, I bet Jake Roberts is making some cash, so that's gotta be good for him. I'd like to see him turn his life around because my Dad and I hated him so much back in the 80s. And I bet only wrestling fans would understand that little bit of contrariness.

Anyway, Jake Roberts was a terrific heel.

Ha, I think thats the reason wrestling is so great. I think just about every wrestling fan has memories of youth connected to a parent or relative revolving around wrestling.
My Granny loves wrestling. Whenever she does pass away thats one thing we shared that serves as a great memory

vinnlander1313

03-15-2005, 04:27 PM

jake is my second favorite of all time. he ranks just below foley. NO ONE could work a mic like the snake. no one.

shipp

03-15-2005, 04:35 PM

:eek:

Who knew?
Huh.

Ugga Bugga

03-15-2005, 05:34 PM

Jake could make the hair on the back of your neck stand up when he gave a promo

Ugga Bugga

03-15-2005, 07:08 PM

NO ONE could work a mic like the snake. no one.

He never yelled. EVER. He was so sinister. If he had hit the DDT yesterday, I would have been dancing around my living room.

MankindRam

03-15-2005, 08:22 PM

I met Jake the snake in his prime and he scared the hell outta me at the age of 10. I don't think he was trying to but when I used to watch him he was just so sinister. I was very excited to see him back last night. Its about damn time McMahon brought back someone from that hey day that deserved it. On the Orton note I would love to see Jake get in and try to help out Taker against Orton. With Orton still prevailing. There have been rumors of Orton jumping over to Smackdown anyways, so it could be a great feud. I'm stoked to see Austin on Piper's Pit. The most unucensored man of the 80s, trying to out do the guy who made WWF, never call it WWE, bounce back after the Hogan era. Also extremely excited to see Hogan again! Bout damn time he is inducted, specially after Pete Rose getting inducted last year LOL

Vargas Prime

03-15-2005, 10:09 PM

I'm really looking forward to the crossover matches at Wrestlemania. The Angle/HBK match should be awesome, and the Orton/Taker match will be interesting. Aren't there rumors going around about Angle and 'Taker both retiring?

I really think they're going to give the belt to Batista... I can't imagine all these months of buildup JUST to have Triple H retain the belt... again.

I love Triple H, but man, give someone else the spotlight for a while... If I had to pick someone, it certainly wouldn't be Batista, but at least it'd be a change. I hope something really cool comes out of this Ladder challenge of Jericho's. I would LOVE to see more of Jericho or Shelton Benjamin in a Heavyweight contender capacity. It's been way too long since Jericho was in a scramble for the title.

kid vorpal

03-16-2005, 06:26 AM

I think the one thing that makes me the most nervous about the HHH/Batista match is the one thing that everyone keeps touching on: they're hyping this big-time, and making Batista look like the clear-cut winner before they even get to Wrestlemania. That alone makes me think that the big guy is going to get screwed, and we'll have to deal with more of HHH's boring ass crap.

I hadn't heard anything about Orton jumping ship to Smackdown, but that'd be a good thing, in my opinion - Smackdown really needs more stars with fan appeal to draw viewers back to Thursdays. I almost never watch it anymore, because there just aren't many people that can keep me interested in comparison to Raw. And yeah, he needs to beat 'Taker at Wrestlemania, if only because I loved watching him RKO Foley onto that barbed-wire 2x4 last year (and would love to see him do something along those lines to the Dead Man).

Besides, who wouldn't love seeing an Orton/Cena match sometime in the near future?

Popninja

03-16-2005, 06:35 AM

I hadn't heard anything about Orton jumping ship to Smackdown, but that'd be a good thing, in my opinion - Smackdown really needs more stars with fan appeal to draw viewers back to Thursdays. I almost never watch it anymore, because there just aren't many people that can keep me interested in comparison to Raw.

That's my feeling right now, too. Funny thing is that a year or more ago, it was the opposite; I couldn't stand RAW, but was really into Smackdown. The whole JBL as champion thing really doesn't appeal to me and now they've taken the guy that was the main draw just a year ago(Guerrero) and put him in the tag team mix with...Rey Mysterio(?!). Confusing. Plus, I may be in the minority here, but I can't stand John Cena. That whole thug routine was worn out before it even started.

I had high hopes for Carlito, but even that's been a disappointment thus far.

Ugga Bugga

03-16-2005, 06:44 AM

That's my feeling right now, too. Funny thing is that a year or more ago, it was the opposite; I couldn't stand RAW, but was really into Smackdown. The whole JBL as champion thing really doesn't appeal to me and now they've taken the guy that was the main draw just a year ago(Guerrero) and put him in the tag team mix with...Rey Mysterio(?!). Confusing. Plus, I may be in the minority here, but I can't stand John Cena. That whole thug routine was worn out before it even started.

I had high hopes for Carlito, but even that's been a disappointment thus far.

A. True, Smackdown was must see TV, when Edge and Guerrero, and Angle, Benoit were going at it every week

B. They needed main event stars, so they turned the mid-card lifer into a main eventer with JBL, though he was never main event material. He has done very well with this schtick, but it still is a mid-card schtick. The only thing good about JBL has been the development of Orlando Jordan's character.

C. You are not alone with Cena. He is a major disappointment for me. When he started with his gimmick he was very clever. His insults of other wrestlers would use references that were very funny, and usually went into that wrestler's past. For a long time now, he seems to rely on dick jokes. Not that there is anything wrong with dick jokes, but they wear thin. To me, he has marginal wrestling skills, and is a disappointment on the mic.

D. Carlito. Now he is Cool!. Nice to see some humor back in wrestling shows. It is always at its best when it is not taking itself too seriously. The interaction between Teddy Long and Carlito has been gold.

E. And I thought this thread would go nowhere.

KRAZYRICKY1

03-16-2005, 07:47 AM

hey did you guys know that wrestling is fake??

Popninja

03-16-2005, 07:50 AM

C. You are not alone with Cena. He is a major disappointment for me. When he started with his gimmick he was very clever. His insults of other wrestlers would use references that were very funny, and usually went into that wrestler's past. For a long time now, he seems to rely on dick jokes. Not that there is anything wrong with dick jokes, but they wear thin. To me, he has marginal wrestling skills, and is a disappointment on the mic.

The worst part for me about Cena is that he has, hands down, one of the most unconvincing finished manuevers EVER. More unconvincing than the Rock Bottom. It looks like a simple bodyslam.

"F.U.!! F.U.!! OH MY GOD!!" Gimme a break...

Popninja

03-16-2005, 07:51 AM

hey did you guys know that wrestling is fake??

Hey, did you know that you're fake??

Ugga Bugga

03-16-2005, 08:06 AM

hey did you guys know that wrestling is fake??

So are comic books. Yet, I seem to enjoy those as well.

KRAZYRICKY1

03-16-2005, 08:19 AM

shipp

03-16-2005, 08:23 AM

Ricky, why do you give a ****?

If these guys want to enjoy wrestling, then let 'em be.
Pick your battles man.

Popninja

03-16-2005, 08:45 AM

yeah but in comics the punches actually contact the skin, and leave a mark, well as long as the artist draws one. in wrestking i know its more of a soap opera now, and the other day my brother was watching it, and i was so sick of seeing the tag match were one of the tag team dudes, distract the ref while the other guy beats the crap out of the dude on the other team. same thing happens everytime, and i also hate when they supposedly punch or kick, someone repeatedly, its justs looks so horrible, not even close to real. but if you like it go ahead and watch it, no matter what i see. :rolleyes:

You're definitely entitled to your opinion, but for those of us that have watched and enjoyed for years, we know the deal. The things you're complaining about, especially the tag team bit, is formula.

I have a DVD and VHS library full of stuff that would make you shit your britches if you watched it. The guys that do their job right can make you a believer...even when you know it's "fake."

KRAZYRICKY1

03-16-2005, 08:52 AM

yeah i've seen the backyard wrestling and some other show whose name i don't remember were, everynight someone left seriously hurt, and real blood, all over there face. i can't remember the name of it though...........................
but anyways i used to watch wrestling back in the day when it used to be more real, shoot i even had the hulk hogan work out gear. but it fell off when it became from about drama than actually fighting. but i'm through knocking it, if thats what you like, that what you like, nothing further to say here. :D

kid vorpal

03-16-2005, 08:54 AM

I'm actually surprised that it took a whole three pages before someone chimed in with the "it's fake" crap. :p

But, for those of us actually interested in this thread...

...I agree that Cena has quickly degenerated into a punchline himself, rather than tossing them out at other people. They're so busy portraying him as this angry thug, they forgot what drew people to him in the first place. He was funny once - in a good way. Go back to those days, and everything is gravy.

And hey, is it just me, or does anyone else think they need to combine the two rosters and have storylines run over both shows like they used to? I mean, I can understand some of the reasoning behind the current format, but I do get tired of the same rivalries every single week. It's the cross-promotional matches like Angle/Michaels and Undertaker/Orton that keep me interested - they need to do this all the time. I think it would help with ratings, honestly.

Vargas Prime

03-16-2005, 09:51 AM

I love Cena, even though I admit that his gimmick is getting stale now that he's a clear-cut face, and not the semi-heel he used to be. But I still want him to take the belt at Wrestlemania, if only to break up the monotony of this JBL run. I like the gimmick he's got, but to me, it should be more of a "Million Dollar Man" type thing, where he's got his own crap going on. He should never have had a huge title reign like he's had.

I watch Smackdown! now primarily to see Angle and Cena, and so that I can hope, in vain, that they will actually DO something impressive with the Cruiserweights. I know a lot of the focus is on the Heavyweight bouts, and that's what sells tickets, but I love the Cruiserweight stuff, and it's a shame that a lot of their more talented guys are languishing in the locker room instead of doing their thing every week.

Carlito has been great from a promo perspective, but the few matches that he had before his "injury" were completely lackluster. I hope he develops, eventually, but I'm not holding my breath.

I definitely would like to see some main-eventers transfer to Smackdown!... There are a lot of guys on RAW right now who deserve a bigger part of the spotlight and aren't really getting it. Jericho is my biggest complaint right now. I love watching him work, either on the mic or in the ring. His matches are usually inconsequential, because he's never fighting for a belt, and when he IS fighting for something meaningful, like the IC title or the Rumble, he loses. Heck, even his own part of the show, the Highlight Reel, has become simply him introducing another wrestler, talking for 30 seconds, then watching from the sideline as some feud or another erupts, effectively ending the segment.

Well, that's my rant.

PS - How come anyone who doesn't watch wrestling always asks if we know it's fake? Isn't that the point? 90% of the shows and movies you watch everyday are fake. That's entertainment. Even the "reality" shows are fake, or at least edited to cleverly manipulate what the audience sees.

So, yeah, we know it's fake. What's your point?

kid vorpal

03-16-2005, 11:23 AM

Jericho is my biggest complaint right now. I love watching him work, either on the mic or in the ring. His matches are usually inconsequential, because he's never fighting for a belt, and when he IS fighting for something meaningful, like the IC title or the Rumble, he loses. Heck, even his own part of the show, the Highlight Reel, has become simply him introducing another wrestler, talking for 30 seconds, then watching from the sideline as some feud or another erupts, effectively ending the segment.

You're dead on with this - Jericho is so hugely underrated right now, it makes me want to weep. He has so many skills that are wasted right now, because (like they've done with Benoit) they've relegated him to "pain in the ass but nothing much else" status - which is to say that they use him for crap like multi-man tag matches and "Pick Your Poison" garbage, and not much else.

Send him to Smackdown. Hell, even make him a heel again - Jericho's fun either way, and it could only mean good things for him and the WWE.

turnbolt

03-16-2005, 12:26 PM

Having read the initial question and being too busy at the station today to read the whole thread... I will just say yes and yes...

Thank you for discussing wrestling! :)

Think Tank Bob

03-16-2005, 12:47 PM

The worst part for me about Cena is that he has, hands down, one of the most unconvincing finished manuevers EVER. More unconvincing than the Rock Bottom. It looks like a simple bodyslam.

"F.U.!! F.U.!! OH MY GOD!!" Gimme a break...

Definately! When it was a flat out Death Valley Driver, then it was convincing. Now, it's just crap. I am not a fan of Cena...Every match, all he ever does is punch, punch, punch, kick, five knuckle shuffle (What the hell is that. It makes me long for the people's elbow.) and then an F-U. Ooh, and we can't get enough of the gay and poop jokes!

Ah, John Cena. Always raising the humor bar. :rolleyes:

Ugga Bugga

03-16-2005, 12:56 PM

Definately! When it was a flat out Death Valley Driver, then it was convincing. Now, it's just crap. I am not a fan of Cena...Every match, all he ever does is punch, punch, punch, kick, five knuckle shuffle (What the hell is that. It makes me long for the people's elbow.) and then an F-U. Ooh, and we can't get enough of the gay and poop jokes!

Ah, John Cena. Always raising the humor bar. :rolleyes:

The thing is, when he started the gimmick, he was quite funny. He got caught up in the sophmoric stuff early, on and left what made him work.

Think Tank Bob

03-16-2005, 01:20 PM

Yeah, thats true. From what I've read, he used to write his own material, but now a lot of it comes from the creative team, so that also may explain it.

Ugga Bugga

03-16-2005, 05:06 PM

The average fan seems to disagree. He is definitely a hit with the fans.

I prefer his intesity now. I hope he loses the Emenim stuff, and becomes a focused character.

Now onto an important topic.

Christian. Time for a major major push. Let him be managed by Flair. Their interactions would be priceless.

Think Tank Bob

03-16-2005, 09:25 PM

Yeah, its funny that out of Edge and Christian, the one with almost ZERO talent gets the pushes, while the phenomenal Christian gets teamed with Tomko and does nothing.

Vargas Prime

03-17-2005, 12:19 AM

Agreed... Christian is way underrated. Tomko is virtually useless, since he has yet to display ANY mic skills whatsoever, and he obviously has little talent in the ring.

Christian and Flair would be classic. Although part of me wishes he and Edge would team back up... The tag team division has been severely hurting the past couple of years.

OK... game time. If you had to pick 2 wrestlers, out of their entire active roster, that you have had ENOUGH of, and would like to see either get kicked out on his/her ass, or become paralyzed in a horrible in-ring accident (I kid... sort of), who would they be?

Kane and Gene Snitsky.

Kane is so boring, and he's not half the powerhouse he used to be. I feel bad hating him so much because he's been around so long, but I really wish he would just go away.

Snitsky is the epitome of useless. He can't talk his way out of a promo to save his life, and he is complete crap in the ring. I hope Kane injures him with a mis-cued Tombstone, then retires.

kid vorpal

03-17-2005, 06:31 AM

OK... game time. If you had to pick 2 wrestlers, out of their entire active roster, that you have had ENOUGH of, and would like to see either get kicked out on his/her ass, or become paralyzed in a horrible in-ring accident (I kid... sort of), who would they be?

I agreed with everything you said, except my two choices would be the Undertaker and Snitsky - it'd be for the exact same reasons you mentioned, however (just replace all mention of Kane with the word "Undertaker" and you're all set).

As an aside, I think seeing Christian and Edge together again as a tag-team would mean good things for the division - lord knows it needs a shot in the arm right now (Regal and Tajiri as champs? Come on, people).

Popninja

03-17-2005, 06:41 AM

OK... game time. If you had to pick 2 wrestlers, out of their entire active roster, that you have had ENOUGH of, and would like to see either get kicked out on his/her ass, or become paralyzed in a horrible in-ring accident (I kid... sort of), who would they be?

Heidenreich, who is useless beyond useless. And Luther Reigns. I'm tired of the bodyguard role that they've got some of these guys playing. Kurt Angle doesn't need a protector(at least that's the role Reigns was playing last time I cringed through two hours of Smackdown).

Vargas Prime

03-17-2005, 08:51 AM

(just replace all mention of Kane with the word "Undertaker" and you're all set).

See, my thing with Undertaker is that at least he can be somewhat charismatic in his presence. Some part of me still gets a little amped when the lights go down and he appears in the ring, ready to kick ass. Kane just does nothing for me, at all.

Heidenreich, who is useless beyond useless. And Luther Reigns. I'm tired of the bodyguard role that they've got some of these guys playing. Kurt Angle doesn't need a protector(at least that's the role Reigns was playing last time I cringed through two hours of Smackdown).

Yeah, I agree with those, too. My hatred for Snitsky and my complete apathy toward anything involving Kane just outweigh my feelings about every other wrestler on the roster.

Reigns' bodyguard gimmick was lame, but Angle has broken away from his little "mini-stable" now... if you haven't seen it in a while, you might not have seen that Mark Jindrak joined Angle's team for a while. Jindrak and Reigns are actually feuding now, after a couple of tag matches gone wrong. Anyway, I'm giving Reigns half a chance because he's shown some decent mic skills, even if his gimmick is virtually non-existant. He needs some direction, and a little more endurance for faster-paced matches. A lot of these newer guys like Heidenreich (whose gimmick is borderline unbearable, I'll give you that!) and Reigns, and even guys getting huge pushes like Batista... they have one or two moves they can pull off consistently, and the rest of their matches are like slow, agonizing dental surgery. But, that's why I said to name TWO wrestlers... spark some conversation.

Ugga Bugga

03-17-2005, 09:13 AM

I always cut Undertaker some slack, because he has been so revolutionary, and he still can put on a good match against a good opponent.

I suspect more and more than he is going to lose to Orton, and for that, I will have nothing but the utmost respect for him.

Kane is really not that charismatic a guy. He never has been, he never will be. He just does not have a dynamic personality. I suspect he won't be getting many more pushes in his career, but he can continue to contribute if he plays the role of punching bag.

With Reigns, I see some potential. Not much. With Jindrak, I see none. Jindrak has been given multiple opportunities, with different gimmicks. None has taken off

The only thing I have seen from Heidenreich and Snitsky have been at Pay per views during their interview segments with each other. Team them up as an unstable tag team, with a manager who keeps them in control.

Batista has the tools. He has learned a lot while being with Flair and HHH. I have been impressed with his development, and his main event feud makes sense right now.

Think Tank Bob

03-17-2005, 12:41 PM

I adore Gene Snitsky. That babykiller gimmick has got to be the funniest thing I've seen in years. When he punted that doll into the audience? He won me over. And his interviews are classic. The "It's not my fault! GRRR!" damn near gets me in tears. His in ring skills are terrible, but his promos are too funny.

And Heidenreich? Don't people remember when he debuted on Raw, talking about "Little Johnny," and botched his finisher on...someone. Probably the Hurricane, all he does is lose anymore. He's just terrible. But when he anally raped Michael Cole? Now that was funny.

I miss when Kane was just Michael Myers. He did all his acting through body movements. Then they took off the mask, and he's just another generic big guy.

And the tag division has been seriously hurting for a while now. I had to look it up to see who the champs were currently. (http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/wwf/wwfcurr.htm) I've been watching wrestling all my life, and I'm gonna be 23 in a month. I can't ever remember a time where I couldn't remember who a champ was. Notice how both tag champs are "Randomly Assembled team #456312987?" It's pretty bad.

*Edit* Oooh, I just read that the WWE signed Psychosis. (Psichosis? I can never remember.) That should be cool....He could always go.

Popninja

03-17-2005, 12:48 PM

And the tag division has been seriously hurting for a while now. I had to look it up to see who the champs were currently. (http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/wwf/wwfcurr.htm) I've been watching wrestling all my life, and I'm gonna be 23 in a month. I can't ever remember a time where I couldn't remember who a champ was. Notice how both tag champs are "Randomly Assembled team #456312987?" It's pretty bad.

Yeah, tag team division's a mess rght now. Makes me long for the old old days of Rougeau Bros., Killer B's, Demolition, Rockers, British Bulldogs, Legion of Doom, Wild Samoans, Hart Foundation, etc, etc, etc... Hell, even the Bushwackers were fun to watch.

Ugga Bugga

03-17-2005, 12:58 PM

Yeah, tag team division's a mess rght now. Makes me long for the old old days of Rougeau Bros., Killer B's, Demolition, Rockers, British Bulldogs, Legion of Doom, Wild Samoans, Hart Foundation, etc, etc, etc... Hell, even the Bushwackers were fun to watch.

Going Old School are we?

It was nice when there was a division, with true tag teams.

I thought there was a really nice run a few years ago however with

A) Edge and Christian
B) Hardy Boyz
C) Dudleys
D) Whoever else would be in a TLC match with them.

I'd love to see the re-emergence of real tag teams. Teams that look, and act like they belong together.

kid vorpal

03-17-2005, 01:05 PM

Call me crazy, but I always liked Jericho and Benoit when they were a tag team - although I hated that it meant they couldn't be allowed to achieve anything as solo superstars (which they both deserve, in my opinion).

Just to start another crazy tangent, does anyone want to make some Wrestlemania predictions? ;)

Ugga Bugga

03-17-2005, 01:13 PM

It will be called "The Greatest Spectacular of All Time" Twenty times during the broadcast.

Think Tank Bob

03-17-2005, 01:19 PM

Just to start another crazy tangent, does anyone want to make some Wrestlemania predictions? ;)

It's gonna be the worst Wrestlemania in Years.

Vargas Prime

03-17-2005, 01:59 PM

I dunno... Wrestlemania XX didn't exactly blow my socks off...

The only real highlights were Benoit's win over Triple H, and getting to see all the old-schoolers who got inducted into the Hall of Fame.

The Cruiserweight battle royale was OK, and Cena winning the US Title from Big Show was cool, just because they finally gave him a belt.

The Undertaker/Kane match was stupid, and the burying Paul Bearer in cement was so silly... The Guerrero/Angle match ended horribly, with that stupid "untie the boot" trick, which Eddie actually used again sometime after Wrestlemania...

The tag matches weren't very memorable, the Women's Title match between Victoria and Molly sticks out only because Molly got her head shaved after losing... The Goldberg/Lesnar match was laughable, and it only came off worse since everyone knew about Lesnar's decision to leave the WWE to play football... The Christian/Jericho match was cool, but again, inconsequential, since the feud had been going on before WMXX, and would continue after it as well...

Anyway, this year, I at least have high hopes for the Orton/'Taker match, the Angle/HBK match, and the return of Piper and Stone Cold. Plus, since it's Wrestlemania, AND it's in Hollywood, I'm sure the Rock will make at least a cameo. Plus we get to see Hogan again, when he gets inducted into the HoF. I'm looking forward to Cena getting the belt from JBL, because I still like Cena, and he deserves a title reign for a bit. Big Show vs. Akibono should be... interesting. I'm still calling for Batista to win the title, but I'm not 100% yet... I'm at least interested to see where they go with that.

Popninja

03-17-2005, 05:15 PM

The only real highlights were Benoit's win over Triple H...

Wasn't that amazing? I didn't predict that at all. I think the only time my mouth has literally hung open at the end of a Wrestlemania since Austin turned heel in 2001, was watching HHH actually TAP OUT to Benoit. That was great.

The Souljah

03-17-2005, 08:01 PM

My friend who's like 200 plus 6 foot thug type of guy was brought to tears when Benoit won the title and Guerrero was in the ring to congragulate him. AND a freind of mine was in WM20 when it happend, she brough back a bag full of confetti that fell for each of us. :D

Carter

03-17-2005, 09:25 PM

I know this was like 20 years ago, but a friend of mine had a dish back in the day, and I nearly pooped all over myself when this came on pay per view. I haven't really watched too much since I was a kid, but I was so into it then that I blush when I think of it now.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305276927.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Ugga Bugga

03-18-2005, 05:55 AM

I was there. LIVE.

Vargas Prime

03-18-2005, 07:13 AM

Ugga Bugga

03-18-2005, 07:36 AM

Dude, anyone watch Smackdown! last night?

The Angle/Janetty match was AWESOME. Man, I really hope Janetty sticks around after this. He put on a better match last night than most guys do at Pay-Per-Views. Of course, he wound up tapping to the Ankle Lock, but goddammit if it wasn't a much better (and longer) match than I thought it'd be.

On a side note, Heidenreich still sucks, and they are completely screwing Booker T by forcing him to be involved with that clown for this long...

Here's the thing. Michaels is a talent that comes along once in a blue moon. When he teamed up with Janetty, he was clearly the better of the two. Because Michaels was so good, Janetty looked less skillful. The thing is that Janetty was also highly skilled in the ring. People forget how good Janetty was.

When Michaels kicked Janetty through the Barbershop window so many years ago, Janetty was on his way out, and they never had the fued they ought to have had.

I am hoping beyond hope that Janetty helps Angle win at Wrestlemania setting up the fued that was years in the making.

the story would go that Janetty never forgave Michaels for splitting up the tag team.

I think this would be very compelling if done right. They also could put on one hell of a match for Summerslam.

Vargas Prime

03-18-2005, 07:53 AM

It's not that I forgot how good Janetty was back in the day.

I just didn't expect him to put on such a great match after years of absence. I imagine he's obviously kept up on his wrestling "game," but I was totally not expecting him to be so on point last night. It makes me happy. :)

Ugga Bugga

03-18-2005, 07:55 AM

I think he adds an intriguing personality to the wrestling scene. The guy that should have made it, but didn't, and is out to make up for lost time.

I hope he goes far.

Popninja

03-18-2005, 08:26 AM

Here's the thing. Michaels is a talent that comes along once in a blue moon. When he teamed up with Janetty, he was clearly the better of the two. Because Michaels was so good, Janetty looked less skillful. The thing is that Janetty was also highly skilled in the ring. People forget how good Janetty was.

When Michaels kicked Janetty through the Barbershop window so many years ago, Janetty was on his way out, and they never had the fued they ought to have had.

I think that, at the time they were The Rockers, Michaels and Janetty may have been equally skilled in the ring. The difference that put Shawn over was that he was more charismatic and could really work the mic, even back then. Someone like Michaels just radiates when he's in the ring, whether he's doing a promo or wrestling match.

It's hard to imagine how far Janetty could have gone. Michaels definitely paid his dues in singles competition. He didn't just get handed the WWF title; he worked his ass off for it.

I missed Smackdown last night. I turned to it for a sec, heard some jabbering about something Orton did to 'Taker, and then I switched back to...DON'T YOU LAUGH AT ME...Making the Band 3.

Ugga Bugga

03-18-2005, 08:29 AM

Vargas Prime

03-18-2005, 08:29 AM

I missed Smackdown last night. I turned to it for a sec, heard some jabbering about something Orton did to 'Taker, and then I switched back to...DON'T YOU LAUGH AT ME...Making the Band 3.

Sorry, I tried... but I couldn't hold back at least a slight chuckle.

Anyway, yeah, Orton and Undertaker had the contract signing for Wrestlemania last night, and after he signed the contract, Orton slapped the Undertaker across the face. Then 'Taker got all pissed and did his crazy-eyes thing, and it started thundering, and fireworks started going off and crap, as Orton fled the ring. It was kinda like 'Taker saying "This is what I've earned in the past 15 years, kid. Come get some."

Ugga Bugga

03-19-2005, 07:31 AM

This Taker, Orton match is really intriguing.

I figured they would put Taker with some stiff that wouldn't be a real threat to the record.

Orton really should win, if they want to build his momentum.

It is nice to have some unpredictability for a change.

Popninja

03-19-2005, 09:01 AM

I figured they would put Taker with some stiff that wouldn't be a real threat to the record.

You mean like Ric Flair?

It would be a selfless act indeed if Undertaker jobbed to Orton. I'm more interested in the match itself than the outcome. They've never been in a match together and I'm curious to see what kind of compatibility they have in the ring.

Will 'Taker get RKO'd? That would be beautiful to see. But what does that do to The Undertaker. We'll have to wait to see who gets the most brutal pre-Wrestlemania ambush to determine the outcome of the match. Typically, whoever does the most damage before a Wrestlemania ends up losing the match.

DestroyAll

03-19-2005, 09:14 AM

Whatever happened to the dudleys? I havent watched in about a year/ year and a half. Why does nobody come in with a gimmick now a days, it's just their name. No undertaker's, Big Shows, not even cool cruiserweight names. Boring. Wheres Shane McMahon, wheres the hardcore title.

Ugga Bugga

03-19-2005, 10:09 AM

You mean like Ric Flair?

It would be a selfless act indeed if Undertaker jobbed to Orton. I'm more interested in the match itself than the outcome. They've never been in a match together and I'm curious to see what kind of compatibility they have in the ring.

Will 'Taker get RKO'd? That would be beautiful to see. But what does that do to The Undertaker. We'll have to wait to see who gets the most brutal pre-Wrestlemania ambush to determine the outcome of the match. Typically, whoever does the most damage before a Wrestlemania ends up losing the match.

Not for an instant did I think that Ric Flair was going to beat Undertaker. I'm not saying Flair is a stiff. I'm a Flair fan.

I agree totally about the ambush idea.

Vargas Prime

03-19-2005, 12:20 PM

Whatever happened to the dudleys?

Not sure. I'm not up on a lot of the behind the scenes news, but the last thing that they did was form back up a mini-stable with Spike, after Spike turned heel again. Spike was terrorizing the cruiserweight circuit because the Dudley Boys would interfere in all his matches. Then they went away.

Why does nobody come in with a gimmick now a days, it's just their name. No undertaker's, Big Shows, not even cool cruiserweight names. Boring. Wheres Shane McMahon, wheres the hardcore title.

The gimmick thing is a problem. The guys who DO come in with decent gimmicks usually wind up getting a few weeks to do their thing, and then... nothing. Or their gimmicks just suck, and for some reason they get ring time every damn week. It's something they need to solve.

Shane has been absent for a while now, ever since his big (stupid) feud with Kane. They actually had a match where Shane knocked Kane into a huge construction dumpster which he had lit on fire, and the next week on RAW, Kane was back, with no mention of how he had survived completely unscathed. Then he kidnaped Shane and hooked a car battery up to his nipples. Seriously.

The Hardcore title was purged along with a lot of the other mid-card belts back when they were "cleaning house" after the buyout of WCW. They knocked off a lot of the extranaeous titles, like the European, the Harcore, and the Intercontinental. I can't remember if they got rid of the US Title, too... Either way, the belts now are the WWE Championship, the World Heavyweight Championship, the Intercontinental, the US, the Cruiserweight, the Women's, and Tag Team belts for each show.

Think Tank Bob

03-19-2005, 01:02 PM

Not for an instant did I think that Ric Flair was going to beat Undertaker. I'm not saying Flair is a stiff. I'm a Flair fan.

I agree totally about the ambush idea.

If you're talking about when they fought at 'Mania, then yeah, I agree. But man, I can not tell you how badly I was marking out when Arn came in and hit that Spinebuster. Everyone does that move, but no one can do it like Arn. I HATE it when HHH does one, and JR calls it "An Arn Anderson Spine buster!" Grr.

The Souljah

03-19-2005, 08:19 PM

Man Y'all hear about the Lita/Matt Hardy/Edge thing. Basically it was the whole Kane storyline in real life except no Baby was involved. Just Lita sleeping with Edge and Matt finding out.

Ugga Bugga

03-20-2005, 04:12 AM

Man Y'all hear about the Lita/Matt Hardy/Edge thing. Basically it was the whole Kane storyline in real life except no Baby was involved. Just Lita sleeping with Edge and Matt finding out.

Edge slept with a corpse???? (Oops wrong Kane storyline)

Ugga Bugga

03-23-2005, 06:44 AM

I missed Raw on Monday. Did anything important happen?

Popninja

03-23-2005, 07:37 AM

I missed Raw on Monday. Did anything important happen?

One single act let us know pretty much for sure that Undertaker would retain his streak at Wrestlemania. Randy Orton gave the RKO to Stacy Keibler. Not fun to watch and I hate when they do stuff like that to women. But it turned Orton heel in an instant. I've never seen a crowd turn so quick.

Now, unless they plan on bringing Orton to Smackdown and continuing this "fued," I see no reason why they would have the Undertaker do the job to Orton. I think now that Orton is the bad bad woman-hurtin' man, that's he's going to lose to the Undertaker.

But, I could totally be wrong.

Rest of the show was okay. More Batista super-heroics just furthering my belief that he WON'T win the title at WM. Oh, and the most pointless mixed tag match ever with Christy Hemmie getting a win over Molly Holly. That was just wrong on all levels. I don't know why they're playing up this bouncy little twit(replace "i" with "a") and even bothering making a match between her and Trish. Trish better not lose that match at WM.

Ugga Bugga

03-23-2005, 07:41 AM

One single act let us know pretty much for sure that Undertaker would retain his streak at Wrestlemania. Randy Orton gave the RKO to Stacy Keibler. Not fun to watch and I hate when they do stuff like that to women.

Throughout my entire life, I have had to defend wrestling. Whenever they do the violence against women crap, I have a hard time defending it. It is unnecessary, and should be removed from the shows.

it is cheap heat, that can be generated in other ways.

kid vorpal

03-23-2005, 09:44 AM

There's no way they're going to let Trish drop the belt to Christy at Wrestlemania - they just needed an opponent for her with Lita out of the picture (and really, what other face female is as popular as Christy right now? Victoria?).

As for the Orton angle, I saw this coming - it was the only way they could justify having him lose to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania because, as a face, I think people would have been disappointed if he lost to the Deadman. Now he's a Scott Steiner/Test wannabe, and people are all kinds of fine with watching them get their asses handed to them.

On a more positive note...is anyone else psyched about the Angle/Michaels match? Originally, I was kind of blase about it, but watching that promo of Angle's on this past Raw where they were showing all the people who have tapped out to him (and there were alot of them), I'm thinking this might actually be one to watch.

And please, WWE writers, let Jericho win the Money in the Bank match. It's the right thing to do.

The Souljah

03-23-2005, 03:27 PM

the whoel RKOing Stacey and the fact that we are talking about how much we hated that just proves that it works. I'm sorry we all know violence on women is wrong but when some does it you go "all man that's wrong" guess what it didi it's job.

kid vorpal

03-26-2005, 09:08 AM

Heh - did anyone catch this last Smackdown? Really not much to talk about (although the match between Rey and Eddie at Wrestlemania should be interesting), but I do have five words that sum up the best of the episode: Carlito has left the building.

Seriously, when he gets some ring time again, he is going to be one of the better heels in the business - he reminds me of Jericho or the Rock when they're working heel angles. Now he just needs the ring skills to back it up.

...o...k....

03-26-2005, 10:22 PM

Popninja

03-27-2005, 09:34 AM

I can't believe some of you guys don't like the JBL character. They took a horrible Bradshaw character and made it into something that makes me want to yell at the screen everytime I hear him speak. JBL is a fantastic heel. Sure, it's nothing compared to the Triple H and Batista thing but it's still pretty damn cool. I just kinda wish they put JBL against someone better than Cena. He just straight up pisses me off. He's not even funny.

The main problem I have with the JBL character is that I don't feel they transitioned him at a justifiable pace. I think they turned him way too quick. One minute he's a long-haired, dirty, redneck-ie(?), America-lovin' good guy, then BAM!--he's all clean-cut and loaded, flashin' those pearly whites and mocking the little people.

I don't feel the old Bradshaw character was horrible at all. I just think they bogged him down in a horrible gimmick that went on for WAY too long. That whole Acolytes thing went on forever and when it was dead, they kept it going, forever...and ever...and ever.

I like the old old Bradshaw...Justin Hawke Bradshaw. He used to brand his opponents after his matches. That was cool. This new Bradshaw was thrown at me too quick. I don't like him.

kid vorpal

03-27-2005, 02:58 PM

Vargas Prime

03-27-2005, 05:08 PM

I don't want anyone mistaking how I feel about Bradshaw. I love the guy, I liked him when he was an Acolyte, I loved the APA, and was really sorry to see Ron Simmons go. I still like Bradshaw, and I love his gimmick.

My problem with the whole thing is how quickly he came in, won the championship, and has reigned over Smackdown! for the better part of the past year. It all seemed so forced, because they crammed the whole gimmick switch, push, and title reign into just a little over a month.

I think JBL has great character, he's just not the kind of guy who needs to hold the belt for months at a time to get the job done. I'd love to see them work an old Million Dollar Man angle with him, and have him always be a presence, but never really the top dog. He's already got his "Virgil" in Orlando Jordan.

Popninja

03-27-2005, 05:08 PM

I think I have to side with the minority here: JBL was turned rather quickly, but he is an old-style heel that you just love to hate. I especially like how his cabinet has become Smackdown's version of Evolution (and much more fun to watch than Evolution, in my opinion).

That's the other thing I don't like. Now, I know it's the formula for a heel, but I'll never understand how a wrestler goes from being fearless one week to a sniveling, spineless coward the next. It makes no sense to me. Remember when they did that to Austin? This once "toughest S.O.B." who passed out to the Bret Hart sharpshooter now all of a sudden was tapping within 10 seconds to The Rock's version of it on RAW.

kid vorpal

03-27-2005, 10:56 PM

That's the other thing I don't like. Now, I know it's the formula for a heel, but I'll never understand how a wrestler goes from being fearless one week to a sniveling, spineless coward the next. It makes no sense to me. Remember when they did that to Austin? This once "toughest S.O.B." who passed out to the Bret Hart sharpshooter now all of a sudden was tapping within 10 seconds to The Rock's version of it on RAW.

This can get annoying, true. I do understand that it's a tried and true formula, so I tend to let it slide, if only because I know it's something that will probably never change. There have been plenty of people who have fallen prey to it, too - everyone from Brock Lesnar to the Rock, from Hulk Hogan to Austin. Guys who are unstoppable when they're s'posed to be getting the pops, but become utter wusses when they're looking for boos. Of all the people I've seen run with heel angles, I think Chris Benoit is the only one who never punked out, no matter what rivalry he was involved with. Big props there.

As an aside, how's everyone feel about this new Wrestlemania match between Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guerrero? It's obviously the first step in breaking up the team, but how long do you think it's going to take? Will Eddie turn heel at WM, or will that match just be the catalyst?

Ugga Bugga

04-01-2005, 01:18 PM

Here are my Wrestlemania predictions, in what looks like the most difficult Wrestlemania to predict in years.

World Heavyweight Championship: Batista vs. Triple H

Would they really have brought Batista along so far, just to bury him. I know its HHH, but come one.

This will be a bloody battle, with Batista paying some dues by taking some mean bumps. Batista gets hit with the sledgehammer, but triumphs over HHH in a knock em down drag em out affair.

WWE Championship: John Cena vs. JBL
I suspect that JBL keeps the belt on this one. JBL is so annoying now, and the fact that he is successful makes him even more annoying. He is a classic heel, playing the classic heel role. JBL cheats and wins.

Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels
Wow. This one will be classic, classic, classic. I am praying for Marty Janetty interference to help Angle win, setting up a Janetty Angle fued, 10 years in the making.

Piper's Pit with Stone Cold Steve Austin
who knows?

Money-In-The-Bank Ladder Match
I don't have high hopes for this one. Too many people have been hurt taking insane bumps, so I don't think this will be as high impact as it would have been, say 5 years ago. They will need to rely more on psychology. I hope they don't have those lame, slow climbs to the top of the ladder. I think Jericho takes it, but who know?

Women's Championship: Christy vs. Trish
So Christy is being trained by Lita now hunh? does that mean that Christy knows how to cheat on her boyfriend with co-workers? Having invested so much in Christy, she will take this match, but it is a real travesty if she does.

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
I think taker finally does the job. Orton should win this one. If he loses, it will take a total character change to rebuild his momentum.

Sumo Match: Big Show vs. Akebono
WHY? I ask you WHY? Hope this is short. Big Show takes it.

Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero
This will compete with Angle HBK for showstopping match. Both of these guys can go non-stop. I hope they tell a good story with Chavo involved. I go with Rey on this one.

They have done a nice job of making this an unpredictable WM, which should make for a fun evening.

Vargas Prime

04-03-2005, 11:42 PM

Well, Wrestlemania XXI is over, and I was pleasantly surprised with how enjoyable it was.

Things got rolling with the new Stone Cold "Gladiator" trailer, which was hilarious, I thought. Good to see him again, in some capacity.

The Guerrero/Mysterio match: Good, but not great, due to the fact that Rey's mask kept coming loose, and he spent most of the match too worried about keeping it on to concentrate on getting down to business. Also, Eddie looked winded early, which led to a few muffed cues and reversals. Still, an entertaining and decent start to the night's festivities.

Next up: The Money-in-the-Bank Ladder match. "A+" effort from everyone, and I thank the wrestling gods (NOT Bradshaw...) that Kane spent most of the duration out of the action. Shelton Benjamin once again shows up blasting on all cylinders. That "running up the ladder" bit was awesome. Benoit once again gives 110%, reopening his brow from Monday night's match with a headbutt off the top of the ladder. Jericho was his usual self, although not as active in the match as I'd like. Edge winning it was something of a letdown, since I was REALLY pulling for Jericho to take it. But maybe now Edge will stop his "brooding psycho burning for a main event" schtick.

Intermission time, with Eugene making a return, to setup Hassan coming in to ruin everyone's fun. The Hulkster shows up to bring everyone to their feet, and to give Muhammed Hassan and his annoying pal Daivari a good old-fashioned Big Boot or two. I swear, I could watch Hogan do his post-match routine for an hour, and it wouldn't stop being entertaining. The smile didn't leave my face for 10 minutes after he made his exit. Seeing him at the top of the ramp with the US flag coming down behind him was just classic.

Orton/'Taker: Much better match than I was expecting. With the RKO to Stacy Kiebler last week, I fully expected 'Taker to come out on top here. Kind of disappointing, since I'd really like Orton to push back into the spotlight. But the match was good, overall, and having Cowboy Bob run out with his trademark cast on was a great bonus.

Trish/Christie: No surprises here for me, really. I wasn't expecting this to go Christie's way. I was looking at it more as a setup for Lita to come back and eventually (hopefully) take the belt and actually HOLD it for a while. Although it may be a while before her return, and so we may be looking at an extended feud here between Trish and Christie.

HBK/Angle: Wow, what a match. As good as I had hoped it would be, although in the end it wound up being a little too lopsided in Angle's favor, in my opinion. Most of the latter half of the match consisted of Angle landing Angle Slams or slapping on the Ankle Lock, and Michaels somehow holding on a bit longer. I would have liked to see a more even back and forth, but all-in-all, I thought they both did a hell of a job. Probably the best match of the night.

Big Show/Akebono: A nice diversion, but ultimately nothing more. I was pretty sure Show would hand it to Akebono, and he did. Fun to see, but I really wish they would do something a little more substantial with the Big Show. He's great on the mic when he wants to be, and when he's actually in-shape, as he has been most of the time lately, he can put on a pretty entertaining match.

JBL/Cena: Cena takes it! Cena wins!! Not that I wasn't expecting it, but it's nice to see him with the title after all this time. Unlike Batista, I think Cena has earned a month or two in the limelight. Cena's got a huge following right now, and he built it all from working the crowd and fighting his way up, instead of being lumped with the boss's son-in-law. Yeah, I know some people are getting tired of his routine, but I still like him, and I'm glad to see him on top. Now he just needs a new finisher...

Triple H/Batista: I actually started thinking over the last couple of weeks that Batista was gonna tank this one. Unfortunately, I was wrong... As much as I want to see new blood holding the title on RAW, I don't think Batista is the guy who deserves it. Right now he's got the Brock Lesnar syndrome going on. Brock came in as a big monster with a good look. I wasn't impressed with Lesnar until after he became champ. Once he was firmly in the seat of champion, he seemed to pick up his game and rise to the occasion. Let's hope Batista does the same, because right now, the powerbomb and spinebuster arsenal just isn't enough to keep me entertained.

Piper's Pit with Stone Cold was something I was looking forward to, as well. The two biggest badasses in the biz butting heads and trading insults. I figured that something would happen to unite them for an instant before Stone Cold delivered the Stunner to the Hot Rod... I definitely wasn't expecting Carlito, though. That whole segment was great, and I love Carlito on the mic. The inevitable Stunners handed to Carlito and Piper were a good "return-to-form", and enough to make me start to miss Austin's presence again. Hell yeah.

Well, it was a good night, I think. I would have liked to see a McMahon appearance... I love that McMahon Swagger he does when he wants to get down to business. Oh well. Maybe next year.

DestroyAll

04-04-2005, 02:39 AM

Vargas Prime

04-04-2005, 08:32 AM

I miss the days where main eventers were developed naturally over years and years instead of shot straight to the top. John Cena and Batista get world titles before Edge and Christian, and before Benoit, Jericho, and Kane get another go? Stupid.

I agree on the "too quick" thing, on most accounts. Cena, I think, has at least earned his fan following, rather than someone like Batista, who gets a following basically by being shoehorned into the Wrestlemania main event.

I love Jericho, and I wish they would give him the belt again. Benoit could get another shot, but I can wait for that. They have too many guys who deserve it to give it back to Benoit so soon. Edge and Christian are both good wrestlers, and highly entertaining, but honestly, I don't see them as heavyweight champs, at least not for any real duration of time. And as far as Kane is concerned, if he left the WWE tomorrow, I wouldn't miss him much. The past few years, he's been a pale shadow of his former self, and he's just getting more and more tired with each passing Pay-Per-View.

Popninja

04-04-2005, 08:35 AM

I didn't get to see it, would never pay for it, and the days of that neighbor with the rigged box are long past.

I am disappointed to hear that both Batista AND Cena won titles. I can only hope that they can actually generate some good fueds with both new champions.

I don't think it's unrealistic to start some things with younger, newer guys, but the problem I'm having most with these younger, newer guys are that they're skipping steps to the main title. Cena's US title reign wasn't long at all and Batista never had any singles titles before this one. That just strikes me as weird.

Oh well, what are you gonna do? I can't wait to get the DVD.

Popninja

04-04-2005, 08:41 AM

I agree on the "too quick" thing, on most accounts. Cena, I think, has at least earned his fan following, rather than someone like Batista, who gets a following basically by being shoehorned into the Wrestlemania main event.

I love Jericho, and I wish they would give him the belt again. Benoit could get another shot, but I can wait for that. They have too many guys who deserve it to give it back to Benoit so soon. Edge and Christian are both good wrestlers, and highly entertaining, but honestly, I don't see them as heavyweight champs, at least not for any real duration of time. And as far as Kane is concerned, if he left the WWE tomorrow, I wouldn't miss him much. The past few years, he's been a pale shadow of his former self, and he's just getting more and more tired with each passing Pay-Per-View.

I agree about Jericho. Give him something, man. Six years later and what's he got to show for it. Excellent worker in the ring, extraordinary mic skills and just an overall outstanding character. It's a shame he was put in the position he was with the world title, which was basically to hold it until HHH was ready to come and get it.

Remember when the IC belt was considered more the step before the WWF title? Once you saw a guy with the IC belt, you knew there was a good chance he was going to be contending for the world title very soon. Those days seem to be over, but I think that they should put guys like Benoit and Jericho into contention for the IC title, too.

Most of the titles seem to be throwaways lately. Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, seems to be able to win a belt lately.

Cena did NOT deserve the WWE title. That just irks me all over.

Ugga Bugga

04-04-2005, 08:42 AM

All in all, it was a fairly entertaining Wrestlemania. Not the best ever, but certainly not the worst.

1. I liked how they used the legends, not to grandstand the legends, but rather to give the rub not upcoming talent. Hassan and Carlito can certainly use the rub.

2. Angle and HBK really delivered. HBK lost cleanly which was a surprise. I was hoping for Janetty interference to help Angle, but it never came about

3. Eddie vs. Rey, was disappointing

4. Ladder match was cool, though the ending of every ladder match is anti-climatic and dorky. This was no exception

5. HHH bled himself silly, but after sitting for over 4 hours, the crowd was dead. I think the main event at WM, is one of the hardest spots to be in. Put this match in the middle, and the crowd would have gone wild.

All in all, it was quite a fun evening.

Ugga Bugga

04-19-2005, 04:17 AM

Okay, I know that Christian is going to get squashed by Batista next week - but could this possibly mean that Christian is going to get the push he so richly deserves?

JPJ

04-19-2005, 05:27 AM

I tried to watch wrestling these days but nobody seems like they capture what made wrestling magic. I stopped watching maybe around about a year and a half before WCW went out of bussiness. WWF at the time was all "Suck it!" and "Kiss my ass!" and "Hell yeah!", middle fingers, and a bra an panty match every other week. No more good guys/bad guys or characters. Just big weight lifters going by there original name and everybody's finisher is something we've seen before or looks incredibly stupid.

Bring me back the day when Bret "The Hitman" Hart was a good guy in the WWF and reigning world champion, Razor Ramon was still saying "Chico...your....next!", and the old school Iron Man match. Shawn Micheals VS Bret Hart in the iron man match was my favorite.

Let's face it...wrestling these days is crap. All hype and swimsuits.

Ugga Bugga

04-19-2005, 06:10 AM

Let's face it...wrestling these days is crap. All hype and swimsuits.

Hey JPJ. Nice to see you back posting at PJ. Hope all is well.

Wrestling goes in cycles. When there is the right mix of personalities, magic is created. There are periods of rebuilding and periods of total crap.

Right now, they are trying to find their legs, but it is as entertaining as it has been in years.

They seem to have gone back more and more to the tried and true good guy vs. bad guy. To me that is a good thing.

kid vorpal

04-19-2005, 11:47 AM

Right now, they are trying to find their legs, but it is as entertaining as it has been in years.

They seem to have gone back more and more to the tried and true good guy vs. bad guy. To me that is a good thing.

Well, hopefully this upcoming lottery will shake things up a bit, though if last year is any indication, it's going to be a huge letdown.

Ugga Bugga

04-19-2005, 11:52 AM

Well, hopefully this upcoming lottery will shake things up a bit, though if last year is any indication, it's going to be a huge letdown.

I think there will be some big moves. it was a waste last year, but I think there will be a legit shake up.

Big Show to Raw
Orton to Smackdown

Chris Piers

04-19-2005, 11:57 AM

Ahem. If I may be so bold.

I read it in the papers, I saw it on TV.
I guess there'll be one empty seat,
When I wrestle at Wimbledy.
I used to tear my shirt,
But now you've torn my heart.
I knew you were a Hulkamaniac,
Right from the very start (Right from the start)
Chorus:
You were my friend. (You were my friend)
I'll see you again. (This is not the end)
When the Hulkster comes to Heaven, (Heaven, heaven, heaven)
We'll tag up again. (Again, again)
The world just lost another Hulkamaniac (A friend to the end, I'll see you again)
I wish Hulk's love could bring you back again.
You were my friend (You were my friend)
And I'll see you again (I will see you again)
When I climb back in the ring, I know we'll win this fight.
I wish you were here at ring side, to cheer me on tonight.
The spotlight now grows dim, and now it's not on me.
The prayers we've said together are still our guarantee.

Ugga Bugga

04-19-2005, 12:05 PM

A tear actually formed in my eye when I read your poetry Chris.

A moving tribute to Hulkamania. :D

Chris Piers

04-19-2005, 12:15 PM

Oh that's not mine. That's Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band. Find it and listen to it. Hulk sings about how it's too bad one of his fans died because now there's one less person to cheer for him.

Ugga Bugga

04-19-2005, 12:19 PM

Mase

04-19-2005, 12:57 PM

Wrestling goes in cycles. When there is the right mix of personalities, magic is created. There are periods of rebuilding and periods of total crap.
Well said. I haven't been into wrestling in years, but when its good, its GOOD.

kid vorpal

04-19-2005, 01:52 PM

I agree that Orton should make the move to Smackdown - although I would really love to see a couple other guys who aren't getting enough real airtime (Jericho, anyone?) make the jump so they can at least get some title shots (besides, Jericho would own in a match against Cena).

And come on - can Hurricane finally make the jump to Smackdown and be in the Cruiserweight Division where he belongs? I'm sick of watching HHH squash him every time he wants to "send a message" (I.E. finally ****ing wrestle outside of a pay-per-view). I'd miss the Rosie/Hurricane tag-team (since it's one of the few out there that actually looks decent, although the Heart Throbs made me laugh my ass off, even if they were a cheap Billy/Chuck rip-off), but Hurricane needs some solo gold, too.

JPJ

04-19-2005, 09:03 PM

Thanks for the welome back Ugga Bugga. I may be working very VERY long days in Afghanistan, but I'll find some time for my Penciljack!

Now...I'm confused. What's this whole "I hope this person switches from Raw to Smackown" stuff? When I last followed wrestling nobody was designated shows. It was just..."Hey! Undertaker is wooping Kain's ass tonight and DX and the Hart Foundation are duking it out.

kid vorpal

04-20-2005, 11:02 AM

Now...I'm confused. What's this whole "I hope this person switches from Raw to Smackown" stuff? When I last followed wrestling nobody was designated shows. It was just..."Hey! Undertaker is wooping Kain's ass tonight and DX and the Hart Foundation are duking it out.

JPJ...about a year or three ago, they split the two shows into separate "brands" (most likely to have some kind of competition, since the WCW was gone), and assigned certain stars to each brand - any matches/mingling between the two shows (outside of pay-per-views and/or Wrestlemania) has been slim to none.

Last year, they did a lottery to "shake things up" and assign some RAW superstars to Smackdown, and vice versa. During this past RAW, Vince said they'd be holding another lottery in "a month or so", hence our earlier comments. ;)

Hope that clears it up for ya.

Think Tank Bob

04-21-2005, 11:44 PM

Caught a little bit of Smackdown tonight....anyone else see it? All I have to say is that the bit with the Brooklyn Brawler was GOLD.

Ugga Bugga

04-22-2005, 04:40 AM

Caught a little bit of Smackdown tonight....anyone else see it? All I have to say is that the bit with the Brooklyn Brawler was GOLD.

I can't believe I missed a Brooklyn Brawler bit :(

Think Tank Bob

04-22-2005, 12:10 PM

Yeah, Heidenreich comes out and says something like, "Everyone in New York is my friend!" and then invites a new friend out to the ring, and it's the Brawler. Brawler comes out and calls Heidenreich pathetic, and says the only thing more pathetic was the Yankees choking to the Red Sox in the World Series. (This was at MSG, remember.) The crowd goes nuts, and then the Brawler takes off his NY hat and Yankees shirt to reveal...
A Red Sox T-Shirt! He then puts on a Red Sox hat, and says "I don't want to be called the Brooklyn Brawler anymore. Now, I'm the BOSTON BRAWLER!" Heidenreich gets mad cause the Brawler isn't friends with the audience anymore, meaning he isn't friends with him. A pummelling ensues.

R.I.P: The Brooklyn Brawler.
Long live the Boston Brawler!

Ugga Bugga

04-22-2005, 12:14 PM

:( :( :(

I missed it. I hope one of the replay shows has it on.

That would have been classic.

Has the Brooklyn Brawler ever won a match?

Chris Piers

04-22-2005, 01:11 PM

Alright! Boston needs a jobber now that Prince Albert is gone!

Vargas Prime

04-22-2005, 02:39 PM

Has the Brooklyn Brawler ever won a match?

I don't think so. He's just kind of the "litmus test" for newer wrestlers.

I'm glad they've decided to go the comic relief route with Heidenreich. He's still got some work to do, but so far it's much more entertaining than his plain old crazy-talk. When he called his poem a "disasterpiece", I actually laughed out loud.

Poor show dropping the tag titles to MNM in their debut match. I hate that crap. I know they had to get the titles off Eddie and Rey so their personal feuds could finally come to a head, but I really hate when they throw belts at people their first time out.

Yet again, we see an entire Smackdown! go by with no Cruiserweight action... They're really missing the boat here... Paul London has a ton of potential right now, and they really should be getting him out there every week.

Ugga Bugga

04-22-2005, 02:41 PM

At least it is nice that they are creating real tag teams rather than a couple of guys thrown together.

They need to build up the division, by creating actual teams

amadarwin

04-22-2005, 02:56 PM

I think they should drop more wrestlers from the sky ala hart.

Ugga Bugga

04-24-2005, 08:07 AM

When I went to Summerslam last year my signs were

Owen can't fly
Droz can't dance
Lex killed her
Big Show has man boobs

04-24-2005, 01:05 PM

So, I'm not a great fan of wrestling, but the store got some comps for last night's Wrestlemania Revenge tour show and I went. Really weird experience. Without the commentary, ads, or graphics, it felt like old school show wrestling we used to get on TV when I was a kid.

And OMG, my poor eyes. They may never recover from the sight of Ric Flair's bare ass :eek:

Ugga Bugga

04-24-2005, 02:09 PM

Ugga Bugga

04-29-2005, 09:04 AM

another wrestling death (http://www.tsn.ca/wrestling/news_story.asp?ID=123233&hubName=wrestling)

Very sad. :(

Vargas Prime

04-29-2005, 09:20 AM

another wrestling death (http://)

Very sad. :(

There's no actual link there, Ugga. Fix it, I want to be sad too!

Ugga Bugga

04-29-2005, 09:23 AM

Link fixed (http://www.tsn.ca/wrestling/news_story.asp?ID=123233&hubName=wrestling)

Vargas Prime

04-29-2005, 09:53 AM

Wow, that sucks hard... You never think about something like ankle surgery being that serious. At least I don't. But I guess stupid things like that can happen any time you have to be operated on.

Every time you start to forget, something comes along to remind you how these people are risking their bodies and possibly their lives just to entertain their fans.

Popninja

04-29-2005, 10:07 PM

Goddamn. 33. Prime of his life. I didn't realize he was that young.

I had just watched TNA for the first time a couple of weeks ago. It's amazing how many old guys they have on that show. So many WWF throwaways, like X-Pac, Billy Gunn and Road Dogg. But once I saw Kevin Nash, I realized that I would never watch another TNA show...ever...again.

Popninja

05-05-2005, 03:49 PM

Holy shit, I just watched RAW from Monday. What a show!

Great match between HBK and Shelton. That finish was incredible. It's amazing that Michaels can still put on matches like this. Hard to believe that he was on the shelf just a few years ago. Even harder to believe that he's been back full time for almost three years now.

And you could have never made be believe that HHH would tap to Benoit again. That was a nice ending to RAW. I really hope Benoit makes it to the final and gets the match against Batista.

Viscera is a funny guy. Ouch, Simon Dean. Ouch.

After watching Lita come to the ring all happy dappy with Kane, it reminded me of something I was wondering a couple of weeks back but forgot to ask. Where the hell is Gene Snitsky?

Ugga Bugga

05-05-2005, 05:37 PM

I missed Raw. Heard it was great.

Vargas Prime

05-06-2005, 01:04 PM

Holy shit, I just watched RAW from Monday. What a show!

Amen to that... best episode I can remember in quite a while.

That Benjamin/HBK match was gold.

During Edge's match in the Gold Rush Tournament, hearing the crowd unite in a "You Screwed Matt" chant was pretty funny. I guess maybe there are some truth to all the Edge/Lita rumors...

Seeing HHH get knocked out of the G.R. Tournament in the first round was definitely the shocker of the night. I was totally expecting him to be in it till the end. Thankfully, I was wrong, and they actually surprised me for once.

Smackdown last night was pretty decent... The Streetfight between Chavo and Mysterio was the high point, I think. Great match, with a pretty cool victory on Mysterio's part. Seeing Eddie go full-on heel and beat the bejeezus out of Rey was interesting. It's about time they brought this whole thing to a head. Watching Eddie drop Rey on top of the ringside stairs from a delayed vertical suplex was pretty cool, too... and painful-looking.

Any comments on John Cena's music video? :D

Johnny Blaque

05-06-2005, 01:22 PM

Raw and Smackdown have been great this past week! I've been more into Smackdown though.

Those Lita/Edge/Matt rumours are indeed true. Infact, Hardy got fired because he keeps talking about it on his website.

and now, Matt Hardy has been driven MAD! http://www.thematthardy.com/

Check out the Angelic Diablo( :rolleyes: ) video.

Y2Jenn

05-06-2005, 02:15 PM

I wish I knew what was goin on. I tried reading this thread but I just don't know the majority of these names. I gave watching Smackdown a shot this past thursday but I just can't get into the storylines anymore.

I miss the old guys.

Popninja

05-07-2005, 07:23 AM

Smackdown last night was pretty decent... The Streetfight between Chavo and Mysterio was the high point, I think. Great match, with a pretty cool victory on Mysterio's part. Seeing Eddie go full-on heel and beat the bejeezus out of Rey was interesting. It's about time they brought this whole thing to a head. Watching Eddie drop Rey on top of the ringside stairs from a delayed vertical suplex was pretty cool, too... and painful-looking.

Any comments on John Cena's music video? :D

Watching the camera hit different faces in the crowd after Mysterio got dropped on those steps was pretty funny. They looked really concerned. It showed how good a show these guys can put on. Generally, you understand that wrestling is "fake", but at the same time, you just know that had to hurt...alot.

In regards to the Cena video, all I can say is, "WTF?" I mean, really...WTF? I guess I don't understand the character of John Cena. He's a funny rapper dude, but he's a serious "bad, bad man," too. I do have to say his promo with Bradshaw was great. He was intense.

Smackdown is a show I generally would pass on, but now that I have a DVR, I can now watch it at leisure whenever I feel like it.

Toxic Monkey

05-07-2005, 09:13 AM

Cena was more likable when he was a thug. Now he has his moments but mostly he just a goof.

Cena dressed up as Hannible dressed up as the waiter was funy.

Ugga Bugga

05-16-2005, 07:10 PM

Holy crap,

Did Vis just sing Barry White, or am I having a horrible, HORRIBLE dream.

kid vorpal

05-16-2005, 08:00 PM

Holy crap,

Did Vis just sing Barry White, or am I having a horrible, HORRIBLE dream.

Heh - that's not an "either or" question, because you're right on both counts. He did sing, and it was a horrible, HORRIBLE dream.

Popninja

05-23-2005, 08:44 AM

Just realized that today marks the 6th anniversary of the untimely death of Owen Hart. It seems like it's been longer.

Cena retained last night at Judgment Day, and so did MNM. Boring. I hope this draft shakes up the status quo big time because right now Smackdown is a mess. They have potential in guys like Carlito and Matt Morgan, but they have them both stuck in stupid characters.

Tonight's match between Batista and Edge can only go one way, especially with the way they led up to it. If it doesn't go the way it should, with Edge winning the title with help from Lita, then I don't see what the point is in watching Batista destroy his competition week after week.

Think Tank Bob

05-23-2005, 10:54 AM

Did somebody mention Batista? (http://daveworksitgood.ytmnd.com/)

Sorry.

Vargas Prime

05-23-2005, 01:52 PM

Cena retained last night at Judgment Day, and so did MNM. Boring. I hope this draft shakes up the status quo big time because right now Smackdown is a mess. They have potential in guys like Carlito and Matt Morgan, but they have them both stuck in stupid characters.

Did you read about how they're working the draft?

They announced that, like last year, the draft will be a random lottery drawing. (Thus defeating the purpose of calling it a "draft", since the GMs have absolutely no choice in who gets picked) Instead of a one-night deal, it's going to be all month long. There will be ONE pick each Monday and Thursday. ONE! So, 4 wrestlers in total will be drafted to each show. The only plus is that "trading" is open to each show all month, so hopefully they'll make some use of that.

Ugga Bugga

05-23-2005, 02:25 PM

Did somebody mention Batista? (http://daveworksitgood.ytmnd.com/)

Sorry.

I'll never quite look at him in the same way again. :eek:

kid vorpal

05-23-2005, 04:03 PM

Did you read about how they're working the draft?

They announced that, like last year, the draft will be a random lottery drawing. (Thus defeating the purpose of calling it a "draft", since the GMs have absolutely no choice in who gets picked) Instead of a one-night deal, it's going to be all month long. There will be ONE pick each Monday and Thursday. ONE! So, 4 wrestlers in total will be drafted to each show. The only plus is that "trading" is open to each show all month, so hopefully they'll make some use of that.

Not that it's much consolation, but the last show of the month each show gets 2 picks instead of 1 - so it'll be a total of 5 picks for the month, and not 4.

Yeah, like I said - not much consolation.

Vargas Prime

05-23-2005, 04:54 PM

Not that it's much consolation, but the last show of the month each show gets 2 picks instead of 1 - so it'll be a total of 5 picks for the month, and not 4.

Yeah, like I said - not much consolation.

Oh yeah, you're right. I forgot about that part.

So... my only prediction so far is going to be Christian going to Smackdown. They were toying with his rivalry with Cena enough to convince me.

I'll refrain from picking any others, mainly because I feel that most of the changes will be too inconsequential to be worth thinking about.

But hey, I keep watching the stuff... :(

Ugga Bugga

05-23-2005, 05:11 PM

Oh yeah, you're right. I forgot about that part.

So... my only prediction so far is going to be Christian going to Smackdown. They were toying with his rivalry with Cena enough to convince me.

I'll refrain from picking any others, mainly because I feel that most of the changes will be too inconsequential to be worth thinking about.

But hey, I keep watching the stuff... :(

Christian will make Smackdown must see TV.

Vargas Prime

05-24-2005, 06:41 AM

Popninja

05-24-2005, 08:14 AM

Soooooo... yeah.

They go to the trouble of enticing Christian to interfere in Edge's match with Batista, and Batista still manages to roll over Edge for the win.

All just so that Triple H could come back and hit him with a sledgehammer. Yay.

Still looking forward to the ECW pay-per-view, though.

Yeah, what a letdown. I knew Flair would betray Batista eventually; I just thought they would let it play out longer.

Oh well. I guess HHH will have that belt back soon.

kid vorpal

05-24-2005, 08:35 AM

I read one rumor on the 'net that said the two champs would be swapping shows - Batista to Smackdown and Cena to RAW. If this is the case, Smackdown will die, quickly - I think Cena is one of the few reasons people are still watching on Thursdays, and Batista just doesn't have the following he does to keep viewers around.

Now that Jericho's heel turn seems to be coming around again, I am thinking he's going to get a ticket to Smackdown - I think it'd be fun to see him going mic to mic against Cena, that could make for a pretty fun rivalry.

And I agree with the above post, Christian is definitely making the jump - hopefully they'll put some real gold around his waist soon, he deserves it (a hell of a lot more than Edge does, that's for sure).

Ugga Bugga

05-24-2005, 10:09 AM

Christian does deserve Gold. He is one of the guaranteed performers.

Have to say, nice swerve with Flair turning on Batista so quickly. It is rare that I gets fooled - and gosh darnit, I gots me some fooled.

Nice interaction between Vince, Uncle Eric, and Heyman. I'd love to see ECW replace RAW for a storyline.

Ugga Bugga

06-03-2005, 06:05 AM

I know it generates heat, but is Kurt Angle's sexual stalking and sexual assault storyline really necessary?

Vargas Prime

06-03-2005, 06:40 AM

I know it generates heat, but is Kurt Angle's sexual stalking and sexual assault storyline really necessary?

No! It's awful! You've got Kurt and Booker, they could be doing something so much more entertaining. For some reason, they've just insisted on shoe-horning Booker's wife into the show, and the best plot they could come up with is something completely degrading and frankly, a little embarrassing to watch.

Kurt and Booker are both better than this storyline. I hope one of them gets traded, just to end this sad excuse for a plotline.

Popninja

06-03-2005, 01:42 PM

It's a horrible storyline, I agree. Especially when you consider how absolutely hilarious the Angle/Steph/HHH storyline was a few years ago. It's just not Kurt Angle at all. Snitsky maybe, but not Angle.

I still haven't watched Smackdown this week, but I have it recorded. I'll check it out tonight and see how that Angle/Booker's wife match went down.

Ugga Bugga

06-06-2005, 09:33 AM

Draft Time

Can't wait for Christian to go to Smackdown and Kick Cena's behind. The strange thing is that Christian will be the face, and Cena the heel. (That's my prediction anyhow)

kid vorpal

06-06-2005, 11:46 AM

Anyone have any predictions for the first pick tonight? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Eddie Guerrero is going to RAW (if only because they need to send someone relatively good, or people just won't watch the remaining picks).

Ugga Bugga

06-06-2005, 11:51 AM

kid vorpal

06-06-2005, 03:43 PM

Good call.

Perhaps Big Show or Angle too.

I think Angle has a match this coming Thursday on Smackdown, so he won't go this week - but I do think he'll go before this is all said and done...if only because he and Michaels need to finish what they started at Wrestlemania (although I was glad to see HBK tap-out).

And Christian makes the leap on Thursday - and man, will Smackdown be that much better because of it.

kid vorpal

06-06-2005, 06:21 PM

Ugga Bugga

06-06-2005, 07:10 PM

Cena vs. Christian will be a fued for the ages.

kid vorpal

06-07-2005, 08:56 AM

Cena vs. Christian will be a fued for the ages.

I was actually thinking that Cena could make a heel turn (and Jericho could complete his), and, along with Christian, they could form the coolest/funniest faction in a long time. Kind of like the "media-whore" bit that MnM is working, but on a much more cohesive scale (and more interesting, since all three C's have the charisma to make it pretty damn entertaining).

It will be fun to see Cena and Christian go toe to toe for a while, though - I've been waiting for this since Christian first started spouting off about it a few months back.

Ugga Bugga

06-07-2005, 08:58 AM

Add Ric Flair to the mix, and you will have the funniest stable in WWE history.

Think Tank Bob

06-07-2005, 11:10 AM

Cena vs. Christian will be a fued for the ages.

Meaning Christian is headed to Smackdown this week or the next.

Ugga Bugga

06-07-2005, 11:20 AM

Meaning Christian is headed to Smackdown this week or the next.

Would not surprise me at all.

Popninja

06-07-2005, 12:25 PM

Well, color me effing shocked. Cena just made the jump from Smackdown to RAW.

Well, this means they need to find a MAJOR star to push over to Smackdown to take his place, and sorry, Vince: Batista does not fit that bill.

Guess this negates my whole "Christian to Smackdown" theory, too. Hmm. Maybe HBK to Smackdown, to continue that WM 21 feud? Hell, at this point, I no longer have a clue.

I don't know when this Hell in a Cell match is supposed to take place, but it seems pretty obvious, in my mind at least, that HHH is going to take the belt back from Batista, and then get kicked over to Smackdown. It's too obvious of a move to have Batista go to SD as WWE champ.

Yeah, they actually surprised me last night. I would have NEVER guessed Cena was coming to RAW.

Ugga Bugga

06-07-2005, 12:29 PM

HHH to Smackdown makes perfect sense.

I've been hankering for a Big Show HHH feud for a long time :rolleyes:

Vargas Prime

06-07-2005, 01:52 PM

kid vorpal

06-08-2005, 12:46 PM

I just don't want anyone to forget about the whole "trade" clause that's in effect during the entire draft period.

No matter what it looks like now could be completely null and void anytime until the week after Vengeance, because any of the BIG moves will likely be nullified by a "trade" of some kind.

Triple H was drafted to Smackdown last year, too, but the next day was traded back to RAW in exchange for the Dudleys and Booker T.

They've also been toying with breaking up La Resistance, so I'd be looking for one of those guys to make a move.

Well, hopefully they have learned from last year's mistakes and will A) continue Monday's trend of making a "big" trade to Smackdown and B) not renege on that pick later with a stupid off-camera trade (that really got under my skin).

The La Resistance split is coming, yep. My guess is that Syl - Sil - the guy who isn't Rob Conway will get traded to Smackdown and re-partner with Dupree to form the "original" La Resistance. I say that because it looks like they're making a push for more unified team concepts in both tag team divisions, and this would be a logical move in that direction.

As for HHH being sent over, it's been said that he is heavily opposed to going to the "minors" (I.E. Smackdown - HBK is said to have the same attitude, as well). Anything is possible, though - if Vince is willing to show some intestinal fortitude and really shake things up.

Oh well - I know I'll be tuning in tomorrow night, for the first 20 mintues anyway.

Toxic Monkey

06-08-2005, 10:45 PM

The big name going to Smackdown is

Chris Benoit

In case you don't want to watch

kid vorpal

06-09-2005, 08:38 AM

Toxic, if that's true, then (insert scary music here) a theory that my wife offered up last week might actually have some weight to it: she thinks that the big hoopla surrounding the ECW one-nighter might be a prelude to Smackdown becoming the "extreme" brand for the WWE...meaning that most of the trades from RAW will be to bring former ECW peeps (along with some of the more "hardcore" wrestlers) over to Smackdown.

That...could almost be interesting. And it could help bring in viewers who might otherwise skip Smackdown because it's so painful to sit through (especially once it moves to Friday nights).

Johnny Blaque

06-09-2005, 10:30 PM

WWE.com's internet show Byte This was really good this week. They had Paul Heyman and Tommy Dreamer hosting and they are BRUTAL!!!! They talk about ECW, some of their thoughts on WCW, WWE, address some internet rumors, and more. Check it out if you have the chance.

Also, some people have said that it has been censored alot since it was originally aired live. I didin't watch it live but later that night and it was pretty uncensored. No F-Bombs were bleeped or anything seemed like it was edited but that might have changed.

kid vorpal

06-13-2005, 11:47 AM

So, any predictions for tonight? Seeing as how I was totally f---ing off last week, I'm going to go out on another limb and say that Kurt Angle goes to RAW tonight.

But don't pay any attention to me, because I am obviously confused as hell.

Ugga Bugga

06-13-2005, 07:53 PM

Dueling Wooooooooooooooos

Classic :D

Toxic Monkey

06-13-2005, 11:33 PM

kid vorpal

06-14-2005, 06:46 AM

Good call on Kurt Angle.

And even though they barely mentioned it, ECW PPV was pretty good.

Yeah, I am going to try to catch the repeat, since they are running it all week long - from the recap at www.com, it sounds like it was pretty kick-ass.

The dueling "woos" was funny as hell - I actually expect Kurt to make a face-turn here pretty soon, once the rematch with Michaels is over and done with.

Next RAW guy to Smackdown? Anyone? Okay, I will bite: I'm 1 for 2, and that's not such a bad record.

If they send a face, it's HBK...and if it's a heel, Edge is making the jump (I am leaning towards the latter, since they went face and then heel with the RAW picks).

kid vorpal

06-15-2005, 06:59 AM

Ah well. I am 1 for 3 on my predicitions - news from the SD taping last night reveals the latest pick (spoiler ahead, so I'll be nice and make you highlight the result): Randy Orton.

Not much of a surprise - I think it means good things for SD, but I know a million people that will probably disagree with me. Oh well.

Ugga Bugga

06-20-2005, 06:49 PM

Now THAT was cool!

Gotta love Carlito

kid vorpal

06-21-2005, 07:16 AM

Now THAT was cool!

Gotta love Carlito

Yeah, Carlito is going to make a fine addition to RAW - and that apple deal is still just as funny as the first time I saw it. Never gets old.

My favorite part of the night was when the priest asked if anyone objected to Edge & Lita getting hitched, and they cued Matt Hardy's music - my wife was excited as hell, until Edge & Lita started laughing and saying they were just kidding. I will be laughing about that for months.

Seriously, the writers did a good job last night - funny stuff.

Now, to update my predictions: I am thinking that Cena is dropping the belt to Jericho on Sunday, and that Jericho makes the jump to Smackdown as one of the final two draft picks. Yeah, I'm crazy. So what?

As for this week - I don't know. Wild guess says that either Kane or one of La Resistance (Sylvain, probably) goes to Smackdown.

Ugga Bugga

06-21-2005, 07:32 AM

Pure comedy last night.

The wedding was pure entertainment. Can't understand the Borrrrrrrrring chant. Very funny, very well done, facial expressions by Edge were priceless.

It was predictable. Would have actually been cool to see Matt Hardy, but the DIG was classic. It was nice to see a nod to people who know the background story here.

Yes it is tasteless, and disrespectful to Matt, but since when was pro wrestling about being respectful.

Think Tank Bob

06-29-2005, 02:15 PM

Cyrus Cheever

06-29-2005, 04:22 PM

<Spoliers>Quote: Think Tank Bob: Meaning Christian is headed to Smackdown this week or the next.

Okay, so I was off on the time frame, but I KNEW the WWE would absolutely KILL a great feud before it ever started. And for some reason I couldn't get the quote to be in white, so I made my own damn quote! Ha! Eat it, HTML limits!
<End Spoilers.>

In other news. I picked up the ECW One Night Stand DVD. WOW was that a phenomenal show. The one PPV I expected to suck like no other ended up being the best one in like, five years. Too bad the DVD is edited. Ah well, can't win them all.
in regards to your spoilers:

>spoiler alert<
Christian replaces the Big Show in the 6-way match for the title and it comes down to him and JBL. JBL eliminates Christian.
Teddy Long interrupts his celebration and tells him he isn't the new champ but the new number one contender.
Batista's music hits and the Animal comes out and whups up on JBL.
>end spoiler alert<
had this been an actual spoiler you would have been informed to avert your eyes and run away in terror. thank you.

but seriously, just watch SmackDown. it should be great.

Think Tank Bob

06-29-2005, 05:30 PM

in regards to your spoilers:

>spoiler alert<
Christian replaces the Big Show in the 6-way match for the title and it comes down to him and JBL. JBL eliminates Christian.
Teddy Long interrupts his celebration and tells him he isn't the new champ but the new number one contender.
Batista's music hits and the Animal comes out and whups up on JBL.
>end spoiler alert<
had this been an actual spoiler you would have been informed to avert your eyes and run away in terror. thank you.

but seriously, just watch SmackDown. it should be great.

Yeah, I read that too. I just thought a Christian/Cena feud would have been great. As did a lot of people. So you had to know they'd blow it in some way.

Toxic Monkey

06-29-2005, 09:37 PM

Think Tank Bob

06-29-2005, 09:54 PM

I usually don't watch Smackdown but I might have to catch it this week.

I was going to wait for the ECW PPV to come out on DVD, but I got it in a spur of the moment decision. It was really really good and I'm glad I recorded it. I have a question about the DVD though. I read the Sandman comes out to generic music on the DVD. How does it come across? Because it was AWESOME when he came out to the real version of Enter Sandman and everybody was singing along. The PPV was 'edited' too, somewhat. They would bleep the 'f' word, but everything else was good to go.

Terribly. They edited it to some generic instrumental version of Enter Sandman, and you can't even hardly hear the crowd. You can see people singing, but it seems silly since the music is changed. They edited the Dudley's music too, from what I read. As far as swearing goes, they edited all the f-words, except for near the end when Sandman is by the camera and he yells "E-C-*******-W!" I read that on the first run of the PPV, that was the only thing that WAS edited, too.

I watched it again today. MAN was that a fun show. I loved that the LAST person to come to the ring was Taz. You'd think that since it was really a WWE show, it would have been Austin or someone, but that's great that it was Taz.

Toxic Monkey

07-01-2005, 02:06 PM

So apparently there was a big 11 man trade

Raw gets:
Mark Jindrak
Renee Dupree
Danny Basham
Kenzo w/ Hiroko
Chavo Guerrero

Smackdown gets:
William Regal
Candice
Sylvain Grenier
Simon Dean
Stevie Richards

Ugga Bugga

07-01-2005, 02:46 PM

I predict new gimmics for Basham, Dean, and Richards.

Ugga Bugga

07-07-2005, 04:20 PM

Kerwin White? hilarious.

Can wait to see where Chavo goes with this. He is a very underrated talent.

The Souljah

07-11-2005, 08:48 PM

Yo DId I just see what I thought I saw, I got off of work at 9:30 got home at 10:00 and saw MAtt Hardy jump Edge backstage. I called my friend and asked him if he was watching RAW , he says he was until the last 5 minutes before I called him. He didn'tk now about Matt Hardy. I'm wathcing the rest of it and he jumped Edge again. Did the WWE? give him another chance?

Ugga Bugga

07-12-2005, 03:41 AM

This is the best possible thing for Matt Hardy's career.

McMahan knows $$$$$ when he sees it.

On a side note there was a huge promotion for San Diego comic convention on Raw.

Toxic Monkey

07-12-2005, 11:36 AM

kid vorpal

07-12-2005, 08:10 PM

Matt Hardy has been one of Raw's biggest stars despite getting fired. He was popular before and now he's super popular. I wonder if this was all an elaborate work? At first I didn't think it was him because they weren't showing a clear shot of his face, but then I saw the out-turned knees and knew nobody else has messed up legs like that.

It's a work.

At least one website is confirming that Hardy did indeed sign a WWE contract - this is just part of his deal, letting him work this angle to get some outside work (ROH and the other indie stuff) and build some more hype for his eventual full-on return to RAW. I admit, I didn't think it was him either during the first attack - but those crooked ass legs of his are always a dead give-away.

A little bit harder to be faithful now with the stars spread out over two shows - sending Christian, Orton and Hussan to Smackdown pretty much meant I was going to have start watching both shows now.

This is really going to suck when Smackdown moves to Fridays.

Toxic Monkey

07-12-2005, 09:54 PM

I saw where he was resigned or that a deal has been in place for weeks but I'm now wondering if everything before that was a work.

I don't like Smackdown that much. I rarely watch it but I do keep up with it. I'm hoping it gets better with Christian and Batista. Adding Super Crazy and the BWO won't hurt things either. Hussan, I like his promos but his matches are weak. I like MNM and are glad they got brought up. They were fun to watch in OVW. But I hate watching the Undertaker, JBL, and Booker T. I've never bought into the whole Undertaker character. I thought the best thing he ever did was go with the biker gimmick. JBL is ass. Basically just Stan Hansen with a Million Dollar Man gimmick. And Booker T is a shell of his former self.

The Souljah

07-13-2005, 08:26 PM

And Booker T is a shell of his former self.

To me Booker T and Sharmel gimmik makes me sick and puts black people back further and further. By the end of the gimmikc it'll be Jim crow laws again. They're like the Bobby and Whitney of pro wrestling.

Ugga Bugga

07-13-2005, 08:34 PM

I cut UT slack, because he has been consistently over. He is one of the true professionals in the business.

Booker T's gimmick is incredibly stupid. He lacks the charisma to live up to the potential he had physically. I suspect Charmelle will now become a crack ho :rolleyes:

kid vorpal

07-14-2005, 09:24 AM

I suspect Charmelle will now become a crack ho :rolleyes:

Hmm...would that make her Hooker T, then? :D

Toxic Monkey

07-14-2005, 09:35 AM

I cut UT slack, because he has been consistently over. He is one of the true professionals in the business.

He seems like one of the better people in wrestling as far as the backstage stuff you read or hear about. I just can't get into those types of gimmicks. They're just too unrealistic, for lack of a better word.

Hooker T...HA!

thEbrEEze

07-14-2005, 09:57 PM

really who cares about booker anyway, the writers for the wwe suck ass, i could write better gimmicks for raw and ugga can write for smackdown, that'll be some good wrestling then!

What pisses me off is that there is so much talent in that locker room and they do not use it or when they do it's some gay gimmick , or the answer for every thing WWE nowadays: Let's give the World title back to Hunter that'll really piss em off! I;m sorry back in the fued between HHH and Kane, when hunter did the whole necropheliac thing, i hated his character from the on. Oh those DX days.

Oh by the way Brock lesnar's coming back soon, he signed a contract, aparently he couldn't cut the NFL.

Ugga Bugga

07-15-2005, 05:20 AM

ugga can write for smackdown, that'll be some good wrestling then!

Now this is a man who knows what he is talking about. :D

Ugga Bugga

07-21-2005, 02:21 PM

Lord Alfred Hayes RIP (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/hayes) :(

The Souljah

07-27-2005, 09:30 PM

I finally (yeah I kinow it's late) saw the ECW One Night Stand, hearing that they did alot of Shoot promos I wonder how much of the animosity really exist among the ECW alumni and WWE wrestlers? I'm sure people don't get along that's damn near impossible to have THAT many people like each other but still you wonder how much of the anti ECW RAW/Smackdown guy realy had it against ECW?

Ugga Bugga

10-01-2005, 10:57 AM

I was just feeling XFL nostaligic

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/is.49.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

Cyrus Cheever

10-08-2005, 10:22 PM

don't get me started on the XFL. it was a great idea but i think it would succeed only as One Night Stand type of scenario. it happens on occasion and should be basically a game of barnyard ball. pads and helmets and all the rules but anything goes. thats the way it should have been.

Ugga Bugga

10-13-2005, 11:17 AM

What do you guys think about the JR "firing" ?

Chris Piers

10-13-2005, 11:33 AM

It's a storyline. JR had to take some time off for medical reasons.

Ugga Bugga

10-13-2005, 11:45 AM

Yeah, but they pulled the Ross report from WWE.com, so it must be REAL. :D

Why is it, that every storyline involving JR, involves humiliating the poor guy.

From all accounts, he is nothing but a professional. It would be nice to see him treated with a little respect

thEbrEEze

10-13-2005, 12:48 PM

they always make JR look like a fool and he just takes it, it's been going on for years and years, even if he isn't on tv he will be behind the scenes. Besides the WWE isn't even captivating anymore. You guys wanna see some real kick ass wreastling watch THA, their product is way better than the WWE. It'll be that way unless they come up with better story lines and fueds like they use to have back in theday.

Think Tank Bob

10-13-2005, 01:00 PM

Ugga Bugga

10-13-2005, 01:04 PM

He was always a whack-job. I think I might get me the dvd

Popninja

10-13-2005, 01:10 PM

I picked up the "Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" DVD.

WOW can Vince bury someone if he wants to. THe best part of it are the Warrior's promos they show.

"There will be nobody left but me and the Warriors, floating through the veins of the WARRIOR! RAAH!"

"The family that I live for, only breathes the air that smells of combat!"

Actual quotes.

It's a really great DVD. I love when Christian does the imitation of Warrior's promo before WMVI. That was too funny.

There's an extensive Bret Hart set coming out in November. I can't wait for that one.

Ugga Bugga

10-13-2005, 01:13 PM

Bret Hart is involved in the development of that one, so it won't be a hose job.

Popninja

10-13-2005, 01:17 PM

Bret Hart is involved in the development of that one, so it won't be a hose job.

I still think it should be at least 2 more discs worth of stuff, too.

Think Tank Bob

10-13-2005, 01:22 PM

It's a really great DVD. I love when Christian does the imitation of Warrior's promo before WMVI. That was too funny.

Tear DOWN the cockpit door, Hulk hoGAN!

Yeah, that Bret DVD should be fantastic. I guess they were prepared to do a burial DVD of him too, but then Bret agreed to work with Vince and they decided to make a nice one.

I'd kill for an Owen DVD. I'd take that over a Bret DVD any day.

Toxic Monkey

10-13-2005, 11:21 PM

I'd kill for an Owen DVD. I'd take that over a Bret DVD any day.

I second that.

Cyrus Cheever

10-14-2005, 07:32 AM

an Owen DVD would kick unholy ass but i am looking forward to the Bret DVD.

and JR is supposed to be gone for good. he stepped down from his backstage job and let Johnny Ace take over. WWE was trying to hire Mike Goldberg from the UFC to replace JR but he declined the offer. it looks like JR really is retiring. there were talks of him possibly going to TNA but it's really doubtful considering his ties to WWE.

i'd really like to check out the Warrior DVD but i was never that great a fan of his. i know its supposed to be entertaining as hell but i'm just not sure i want to plop down $20+ for a DVD based on someone i barely liked.

Ugga Bugga

10-14-2005, 07:37 AM

I'd kill for an Owen DVD. I'd take that over a Bret DVD any day.

Owen was one of the true underrated talents in WWE history.

Popninja

10-14-2005, 08:37 AM

i'd really like to check out the Warrior DVD but i was never that great a fan of his. i know its supposed to be entertaining as hell but i'm just not sure i want to plop down $20+ for a DVD based on someone i barely liked.

I was skeptical too, but I picked it up for $15.88 at Wal-Mart because it had two classic matches that I wanted to see on DVD. The Hogan WWF Championship match form WMVI and the Macho King Retirement match from WMVII. I didn't realize that WWE were releasing the entire WM series on DVD this year.

It's great for the commentary from alot of guys that worked with him. He wasn't respected at all. The story that Bobby Heenan tells about Andre the Giant teaching Warrior a lesson for clotheslining him too hard is just one of a few great stories on the disc.

I've watched it twice already.

Ugga Bugga

10-14-2005, 08:44 AM

Having seen the Hogan, Warrior match live at the Skydome at WMIV, it was truly a spectacle.

The crowd was so pumped for it. Warrior should have been the future of the company. Shame really.

Cyrus Cheever

10-14-2005, 09:21 PM

the only reason i'd buy the DVD would be for the commentarie and stories told. i love stuff like that. i love the backstage, realism, stuff on the DVDs and from what i've seen on this one in clips, it looks great. i just don't want to take the chance on it. i might buy it or borrow it or something. i definitely want to check it out.

Ugga Bugga

10-16-2005, 11:03 AM

The midgets are coming (http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=24290)

Ugga Bugga

10-21-2005, 10:31 AM

looks like the brand extension experiment may be coming to an end.

I think that is a good thing. Instead of really creating new stars, it created watered down product, with guys like JBL, midcarders being asked to carry a show

If the brand extension does end, I think you will see the best of both rosters fighting for airtime, which I think is a good thing. There will be more opportunity to build on fueds.

the PPVs can feature the best talent in the company.

DannoE

10-21-2005, 10:45 AM

Hey UG, is Austin back with the company full-time now?

Man, he has sooooooo much more talent than 99.95% of the clowns they have now, he makes them look like hobbyists up there. Him and Rick Flair are the only reasons to watch that crazy program IMHO.

Ugga Bugga

10-21-2005, 10:52 AM

I think he is back full time.

Austin can be very innovative, and he is fantastic when he is. He can also be lazy, and fall back on the stuff that has worked for him in the past.

Vargas Prime

10-21-2005, 06:55 PM

Something about his back-and-forth with Stephanie last week seemed very... off. Like it was scripted, and Austin stuck with the general formula, but also like he was going way off the track at points, and Steph didn't know what to do. Weird. And Austin vs. Coach? Ugh. His first real match in forever, and he's going to wrestle the commentator. Spectacular!

DestroyAll

10-21-2005, 07:04 PM

Austin won't be back full time, his neck and knees and back are practically jelly. Its why they gave him Coach for a match I assume, to see if he's got anything left physically.

Popninja

10-21-2005, 07:26 PM

Austin won't be back full time, his neck and knees and back are practically jelly. Its why they gave him Coach for a match I assume, to see if he's got anything left physically.

Yeah, that's what I had heard two years ago. If he was able, he would have already been back full time.

But then, anything is possible. Shawn Michaels came back after 4 years on the shelf and has been on a full time schedule for the last 3 and a half years.

MankindRam

10-23-2005, 03:07 PM

Thats was my thoughts exactly. Though Raw has really dropped in quality content over the last few months. BORING as all hell!

Popninja

10-26-2005, 10:31 AM

Have any of you been watching TNA on Spike? I have to admit that I avoided it because I didn't think it would be any good, but then I found out the Dudleys were there, so I started tuning in. It's pretty good. I've only watched two shows so I can't really give a full review of what I think of it just yet.

Ugga Bugga

10-26-2005, 11:37 AM

Haven't seen it. I'm pleased to see its gaining momentum. The competition does the product good.

Toxic Monkey

10-26-2005, 11:40 PM

It's ok. I really hate the announcers though.

astrocity20

10-27-2005, 11:58 AM

I used to watch some TNA before it made it to TV through the internet a few years back. They had some awesome matches in the "X-Division" lots of high-flying stuff.

I saw Sabu on there a week or two ago, just because of him I'll probly tune in. :eek:

Popninja

10-27-2005, 01:55 PM

The Souljah

10-27-2005, 02:15 PM

For those who like pro wrestling in general (Like me) will enjoy TNA. For those who are caught up in the hype and watchjes what's popular with the attitude "If it's hot why are they not in the major league?" will turn away fromit because big names aren'ton it.

astrocity20

10-27-2005, 06:25 PM

Feh to WWF being the major leagues. They've been shite for a while. That and I'll take a few high-flyers over a few big burly men any day.

Vargas Prime

10-27-2005, 06:47 PM

At one point you think it's revolutionary, with the X-Division and finishers that look painful and then all of a sudden you see Road Dogg doing the same mic routine and then you see Kevin Nash schlumpin' around and you go, "Uh...okay, maybe revolutionary ain't it."

I agree that seeing them cart out guys like Nash and Jeff Jarrett, who've been playing the same gimmick for years on end, is disappointing, but the way I look at it, names like theirs and other former WWE guys will bring people over to check out what TNA is about.

I came to terms a while back with the fact that what I want out of my pro wrestling is not what the majority of the WWE's viewers want. TNA is what I want. If I have to sit through 10 minutes of Kevin Nash or Jeff Jarrett to see 40 minutes of Samoa Joe and Chris Daniels and AJ Styles, then I'll take it.

Popninja

10-27-2005, 08:44 PM

I came to terms a while back with the fact that what I want out of my pro wrestling is not what the majority of the WWE's viewers want.

What are you saying? That 6 woman tag matches with jiggly chicks that can't wrestle for shit isn't your thing? Are you saying that 20 minutes of watching Vince McMahon pull props out of a fake Jim Ross's ass isn't your thing?

You just don't know quality TV, my friend.

The Souljah

10-27-2005, 08:46 PM

yo it was 20 minutes wasn't it. :eek: WWE ain't the sh!t right now because they don't have to be.

Think Tank Bob

10-27-2005, 09:33 PM

What are you saying? That 6 woman tag matches with jiggly chicks that can't wrestle for shit isn't your thing? Are you saying that 20 minutes of watching Vince McMahon pull props out of a fake Jim Ross's ass isn't your thing?

You just don't know quality TV, my friend.

What's even better is how that absolutely KILLED the crowd.

thEbrEEze

10-27-2005, 10:41 PM

yo it was 20 minutes wasn't it. :eek: WWE ain't the sh!t right now because they don't have to be.

They may not have to be the sh!t but being a business, don't you want to sell the best product you can? I mean they have an enormous amount of talent in that locker room. I just think wth the resources that they have it should be a lot better! Till then I'm stickin with TNA cause their matches are top quality right now.

Popninja

10-27-2005, 10:48 PM

They may not have to be the sh!t but being a business, don't you want to sell the best product you can? I mean they have an enormous amount of talent in that locker room. I just think wth the resources that they have it should be a lot better! Till then I'm stickin with TNA cause their matches are top quality right now.

That's not to say that WWE matches aren't top quality, because a lot of them are. I think one of the biggest problems with the brand extension is that it limits the match variety, and because of that, they look to fill up the time they have with non-wrestling segments. Meanwhile, TNA is running a one hour show, so it's easy to have Total Nonstop Action.

astrocity20

10-27-2005, 10:53 PM

I wish TNA would cut down on the story shit. I mean what they have is bad, the announcers...bad as well. Just stick to the wrestling. It's what they're good at. :D

DestroyAll

10-27-2005, 11:31 PM

If you've only seen TNA on free tv and never a ppv, do yourself a favor and watch one of their ppvs, they are 10x better than even the TNA tv shows...now by no means do I mean you have to pay for it, its probly a ridiculous price, just use the internet craetively to find them.

It wasnt till I started watching (read:downloading) tna ppvs that I realized how utterly boring WWF/E has become. Someone should count the number of moves they do in a two hour broadcast, I bet it doest crack 20. Punch, clothesline, suplex, body slam, finisher, done.

Ugga Bugga

10-31-2005, 12:45 PM

According to wwe.com Christian has quit

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/christianquits

Man has he been misused.

Is this the beginning of a new "Monday Night War?" Christian will do quite well, I'm sure over at TNA if that is where he ends up.

Interesting.

Toxic Monkey

10-31-2005, 10:36 PM

WOW! Christian was one of the few bright spots in the WWE.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/newsboard.php?news_id=12960

Says his contract was up. Other things on that site say he was getting fed up with the negotiations and was mad about how he was being used.

Also says Torrie Wilson has left or was fired.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/newsboard.php?news_id=12971

Think Tank Bob

10-31-2005, 10:53 PM

Sucks about Christian. Glad about Torrie though. I never could stand her.

Johnny Blaque

10-31-2005, 11:27 PM

Also, I heard that Austin walked out on the WWE...AGAIN. WTF?

DestroyAll

11-01-2005, 12:10 AM

Also, I heard that Austin walked out on the WWE...AGAIN. WTF?

apparently they informed him he would be jobbing to Coach and that JR wouldn't be coming back and he refused to do it.

Ugga Bugga

11-13-2005, 08:19 PM

:( Eddie Guerrero was found dead in hotel room

www.wwe.com

Nitemare

11-13-2005, 08:19 PM

Eddie Guerrero
1967-2005
:(

http://www.wwe.com/

Popninja

11-13-2005, 09:44 PM

That's horrible. I can't believe it.

Wow, I've enjoyed Eddie Guerrero for so many years. I knew he had some troubles in the past, but I was glad when he was back and in the limelight again.

Wow, such a tragic loss.

R.I.P. Latino Heat.

Ugga Bugga

11-13-2005, 09:48 PM

Lots of wrestling deaths. This one hits hard.

The guy seemed to get his shit together.

His very last match on Smackdown against Kennedy was a classic Guerrero match. So sad.

Johnny Blaque

11-13-2005, 10:19 PM

This was totally unexpected. He's been clean for a couple years now. This sucks. :(

Atleast he achieved his dream, even his "storyline" had been completed. He was sorry for the things he had done in the past and was Latino Heat again.

:(

Toxic Monkey

11-13-2005, 11:04 PM

Read something that said they found him in the bathroom with a toothbrush in his mouth. They think he probably had a heartattack.

smygba

11-14-2005, 12:57 AM

Man Eddie dying sucks :(
Wrestling was one of the first places I learnt my muscles, and guys like him kept my ass in that seat long enough to learn.

Nitemare

11-14-2005, 06:26 AM

The thing I remember most about Eddie was that even when he was a villian after a long match and who ever the face who beat him left the ring, the crowd would always stop booing him and aplauded him. That always spoke volumes to me about the type of entertainer he was.

Popninja

11-14-2005, 11:15 AM

I'm still having a hard time grasping the fact that Eddie is gone. He was just so charismatic and an excellent worker.

I just watched the WWE press conference with Vince and Chavo, and Chavo said Eddie was clean for exactly 4 years. They also said that tonight's RAW and Friday's Smackdown! will both be tribute shows for Eddie. Same deal as with Owen back in '99, they give the guys the option to either just take a break and deal with the loss, or pay tribute by performing in the ring.

It's going to be one of those tearjerking shows. I cried like a baby during Owen's tribute show, so I'm sure tonight won't be any different.

Ugga Bugga

11-14-2005, 11:23 AM

The Owen tribute was classy, and heart-wrenching. I believe this will be the same.

This sucks.:(

Think Tank Bob

11-14-2005, 01:38 PM

I gotta set up my recorder. Like, now.

Johnny Blaque

12-21-2005, 08:44 PM

I love this guy.
http://www.break.com/articles/wrestlingfan.html?t=4448

Think Tank Bob

12-21-2005, 09:39 PM

It's Still Real To Me, Dammit!

The Souljah

12-23-2005, 03:58 PM

Man that's hilarious.

bfowler

12-23-2005, 06:59 PM

That could be any one of us.

Ugga Bugga

03-19-2006, 05:20 PM

Saturday's Night Main Event was the first top to bottom wrestling card that I enjoyed in ages.

Shane-o-mac never disappoints.

Popninja

03-19-2006, 05:32 PM

Saturday's Night Main Event was the first top to bottom wrestling card that I enjoyed in ages.

Shane-o-mac never disappoints.

Congrats, Ugga, on the first wrestling post of 2006!

I taped SNME last night because we watched Howl's Moving Castle on DVD. But, I'm watching that puppy tonight. I can't wait.

Trilogy

03-19-2006, 06:02 PM

Ugga Bugga

05-25-2006, 02:40 PM

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/ecwlaunch

ECW "brand extension" on Sci-Fi

Popninja

05-25-2006, 02:54 PM

Sci-Fi Channel? Sci-Fi Channel?!

Way to bury a show before it's even given life, WWE.

Popninja

05-25-2006, 02:56 PM

I don't know if it can ever live up to the original, but yesterday's Saturday Night Main Event show was pretty good. It goes to show that the WWE really needs to quit this Smackdown brand and Raw brand garbage and start incorporating all of their top notch performers, regardless of setting (Smackdown or Raw). I really wanted to see Randy Orton win that match and then RKO Triple H. Props to Booker T for finding a way to entertain me every week.

This is on the Wrestlemania 22 DVD that came out this past Tuesday, in its entirety. Great show. And great DVD release altogether. It has the Wrestlemania PPV, Saturday Night Main Event and the Hall of Fame ceremony. Three discs, and I picked it up for $14.99 at Circuit City. Whattadeal!