Incomplete projects.

[xadrian]

This the morgue for projects that floundered too long without any real progress. Let is serve as an example of what could happen to even the greatest of ideas if everyone doesn't stay involved.

Indiana Jones (http://www.polariscomics.com/indiana/)

[foxmerquise8]

This one seemed like it had the most steam of any project.

[Deunen]

It was fun and it was a great learning experience for me because it was my first jam. Maybe someone will finish it up eventually. Great job everyone.

Xadrian could you put my page 3 inks on there. I think that is the only thing missing. I was going to take down my Indy stuff to free up some space. Here's the link
Page 3 inks (http://home.comcast.net/~deunen/comic/finallypajina3.1.jpg)

[xadrian]

Done.

Yeah , if this project had the most steam, I weep for the forum in general.

[CWmax]

....'sigh'....

[red7ine]

hey, I posted the inks to page 5 ages ago.

http://red7ine.com/indyinklarge.jpg

http://red7ine.com/indyinksmall.jpg




not that, you know... it matters now...

[xadrian]

Yeah, I must have missed those. Sorry about that.

Still, I hope everyone understands, this started in November of last year. It was 8 pages and we couldn't do it in less than 10 months. That's just sick. I'm not blaming anyone, and I'm just as sad to shut it down, but I tire of constantly trying to revitalize a project that turns out an update every couple weeks.

Going forward, I'll definitely be closing things down earlier if I sense they are floundering. It's both incentive and a warning for those projects that start after this. Get it done soon.

By the end of this month I'd like to start another jam, but I'll have more details later.

[Deunen]

Understood.

Patiently awaiting next jam. :)

[G-man_2000]

Personally me, I did not think that Indiana Jones script was that good. Quality in the concepts and idea’s in the projects is a must as well.

[xadrian]

I'll agree to that up to a point. While everyone strives for quality in all their endeavors, these projects by nature are disposable. They're for fun and exercise. And they're only a couple of pages, so you can't be as prolific as you might like.

However, in the end that's why people should be able to pitch in on projects. It's a learning process we haven't quite got nailed down yet. And member input is always welcome.

[Popninja]

I'll agree to that up to a point. While everyone strives for quality in all their endeavors, these projects by nature are disposable. They're for fun and exercise. And they're only a couple of pages, so you can't be as prolific as you might like.

However, in the end that's why people should be able to pitch in on projects. It's a learning process we haven't quite got nailed down yet. And member input is always welcome.

I don't think it has to be prolific, by definition, but we have had a problem with horrid story ideas and even worst script writing. You would think with the limited amount of pages that we're dealing with that a nice good, well written story wouldn't be so hard to pull off. As far as these projects being disposable, while that may be the intent, I don't think anyone wants to join a project that sucks. I would think regardless of what will happen when it's done, a project should be handled like it's the greatest project ever. It should be something that you can look at down the line with pride, not something that you pray gets buried 9 pages down in the archive section of Penciljack so no one see it...ever.

I think one idea that could possibly work is to have a poll posted for a finished script to see if it meets approval by a majority, rather than just saying, "Here's (name deleted)'s script...who wants pencils, inks, etc..." And subsequently, I think the same process should be used with submitted pencils, inks, etc... It doesn't have to be a poll necessarily, but similar to what Loston did with the Crom jam; nothing was passed through unless it was up to par. That would be the best route, I think.

[xadrian]

We've done it a few ways up until now and none seems any better than the other, but you're point about making it a worth while story and script is valid.

Each new jam is an experiment as to what works. So far we haven't done the group approval yet. It's been the EIC of each jam to either ok a page or send it back. However, with most of them, the script's been "as is."

The next one we'll try something new.

Thanks, Pop.

[Ra Havok]

A pity this project couldn't be finished.

But you know, as I stated before, I really think it's unsound to have more than 1 (2, maximum) art jams going.

Also, there's a real commitment problem, which I don't really grasp on to. Oh well.

[Spectre-7]

You might do well to try and organize with some of the folks in the Writing Lab (excuse my ignorance if you have, I missed this area entirely before). There's been some talk about trying to organize projects over there, and there's some decent writing coming out of it.

Having good material to work with I would agree is preferrable, but a two-edged blade. While it's much easier to get motivated and stay commited to a project you really like, on a professional level it's good practice to be able to work on something you're not so happy with. You're not always going to be able to pick your projects, and if you can approach every work with the same level of enthusiasm and professionalism, it will certainly benefit your career prospects.

Just my 2 yen... :)

[Popninja]

Having good material to work with I would agree is preferrable, but a two-edged blade. While it's much easier to get motivated and stay commited to a project you really like, on a professional level it's good practice to be able to work on something you're not so happy with. You're not always going to be able to pick your projects, and if you can approach every work with the same level of enthusiasm and professionalism, it will certainly benefit your career prospects.

While I understand where you're coming from, when it comes to an open forum, I don't feel this line of thinking applies. Yes, in life you may be forced to have to work on a project that you aren't really in tune with; it's going to happen. But, in an open forum setting, we can make sure that what we're going to work on is interesting before we ever start the actual work. Like I said, no one wants to work on a project that sucks, especially when it's supposed to be "just for fun." So, with that in mind, it's important that the quality of the story and script are good going in. The best part about the open forum is that those who do find a project interesting will participate. No one is forced to have to do anything. And I feel if anyone is getting involved in a project that they have no interest in, they...um...well, I just did that, didn't I? Never mind...

I've been to the Writing Lab on a few occasions and there are indeed some very talented individuals there.

[xadrian]

Hey guys, I'm taking notes on everything you say in hopes to improve the experiences, let's take the rest of the discussion here (http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50215).

Thanks.

[Cuddly]

It's sad that this one couldn't be finished. It started off with a lot of potential, too. :(

[Deunen]

Ironman VS the Zombie Jedi (http://home.comcast.net/~deunen/ironman/index.html)

Not done but I put this together so people can check out the pages. I am working on a cover page and background image.