Open Projects Forum Discussion

[xadrian]

The 1-2-3 idea sounds great. It'll be interesting to manage, but in the end it's still three pages.

Not a bad idea guys.

[amadarwin]

sounds more like a proving grounds thing...

[KaRzA]

Gosh Karza, that wld take A LOT of organising etc... hmmm... not sure...

lia/B

No problem, was just a suggestion... everybody thinks it looks like proving ground... but wasn't supposed to have a poll...
Perhaps i'll try to handle something like this like a proving ground on the future 'cause is still something i wanna see :)

[G-man_2000]

sounds more like a proving grounds thing...
True, but when was the last time you seen “Proving Ground” do Sequentials. As always every Jam needs people who can meet a deadline and work as a team, some thing best done by dedicated members in the “Community Projects” form.

I’ll do work on FF and Catwomen Jam. Has Loston found out what drawing style he was going to do, he said some thing about limiting the panel count to 5 or less? This can help people add nicer backgrounds to the Sequentials.

[amadarwin]

True, but when was the last time you seen “Proving Ground” do Sequentials. As always every Jam needs people who can meet a deadline and work as a team, some thing best done by dedicated members in the “Community Projects” form.
very true. Usually its just pinup fare.


I’ll do work on FF and Catwomen Jam. Has Loston found out what drawing style he was going to do, he said some thing about limiting the panel count to 5 or less? This can help people add nicer backgrounds to the Sequentials.
I'm not sure what he's intending for it. He's still debating on whether he's gonna use the script he already wrote or bring me in as a co-writer for a new script. Only time will tell.

Hurry up with those 75 pages Loston! :p

[xadrian]

I'd like to point out that if we do the multiple teams thing, it's not a competition for who's better or faster, but what kind of product different teams would put out. I'd be very interested in that if all pages were passed in email or PM and only the final products shown in the end to see the differences.

[Ugga Bugga]

Part of the appeal however of the jams is the openness of them. We really, as a community see how it comes together, provide feedback etc.

It would be a shame to make the jams clandestine.

[banshee]

some great points.. No voting I think is prob a good idea :D Ive gotten drunk with the power of voting in our writing contests I think..hehee

after some discussion with xadrian, perhaps for this time around, its prob best to do a straight-up normal jam with the catwoman script.

but after FF, we shld perhaps try the two teams idea? Its a great idea and sounds like fun ehehheee....

August 1st I think we are looking at for the Catwoman jam to start.. gotta get to that script and get some reference pix by then muahahhaaa...

looking fwd to my first jam so to speak (ACK!)...

lia/B

[Ugga Bugga]

Wow! No one's posts have as great sound effects, random maniacal laughs, and internet short forms as your posts do banshee.

Do you speak that way in real life?

[banshee]

Wow! No one's posts have as great sound effects, random maniacal laughs, and internet short forms as your posts do banshee.Do you speak that way in real life?

err... maybe not the internet short forms.. but the first two maybe.. muahhahaaa.. ;)

lia/B

[KaRzA]

I'd like to point out that if we do the multiple teams thing, it's not a competition for who's better or faster, but what kind of product different teams would put out. I'd be very interested in that if all pages were passed in email or PM and only the final products shown in the end to see the differences.


Part of the appeal however of the jams is the openness of them. We really, as a community see how it comes together, provide feedback etc.

It would be a shame to make the jams clandestine.

Both true, the purpose is to learn and improve. Hope we can do it soon. I'll be a no show on the catwoman jam because i'm on holydays (but i'll keep an eye on you, of course)

[banshee]

:) thanks Karzaa

enjoy your holidays!!!

lia/B

[Ugga Bugga]

Both true, the purpose is to learn and improve. Hope we can do it soon. I'll be a no show on the catwoman jam because i'm on holydays (but i'll keep an eye on you, of course)

very well earned holidays. Get all rested though. We'll be needing you around these parts when you get back :)

[mudcat]

I might really suck at coloring/inking, but I'm more than happy to chip in on whatever alla ya'll decide, even if it's just flatting stuff. The Bond jam got me addicted.


And even though Ugga makes me laugh, Karza is still my hero, and Loston is the man!!!

[Rocket37]

And even though Ugga makes me laugh,

Is that because of the funny red nose he wears? i hear it squeaks when you sqeeze it.. :eek: :D

BTW, mudcat. you far from suck at coloring dude! i think your pretty damn good!

I too love these Jams, I hope I can be apart of the ff jam coming up..

Frank

[sdowner]

No!!
The FF jam is MINE!!
ALLL MINE, D'YOU HEAR ME?!!?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
*ahem*
Sorry about that.
I'll try to play nice with the other kiddies.
As you can see, I'm looking forward to this jam.

[mudcat]

I need to stop playing on message boards when I've been drinking. :eek:

[Bryan E.Warner]

Know your week points,and build from there a stronghold.
Bryan E.Warner

[Ugga Bugga]

Is that because of the funny red nose he wears? i hear it squeaks when you sqeeze it.. :eek: :D



Note to self . . . . Stop acting like such a clown

. . . . Ah screw that . . . .

*juggles bowling ball, razor sharp machetti, and Amadarwin's bra*

[Bruce Lee]

No!!
The FF jam is MINE!!
ALLL MINE, D'YOU HEAR ME?!!?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
*ahem*
Sorry about that.
I'll try to play nice with the other kiddies.
As you can see, I'm looking forward to this jam.

Note to self: Give sdowner the TOUGHEST page in the jam. :D

Revenge is a dish best served with an Uzi.

Glad you're looking forward to the jam!;)

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

[sdowner]

I'll take it, Loston.
I'll take it. ;)

Ugga:
AMADARWIN'S BRA?!? :eek:

[amadarwin]

Ugga:
AMADARWIN'S BRA?!? :eek:

as long as it's not my lacy purple number, I don't mind.

[thEbrEEze]

did someone say jam??? cool!!! when's it gonna start Loston? I can't wait!!! Check out my FF drawing i did in the pencilling lab, should be up by tonight!

[Lyzander]

I'd love to take part in the FF Jam, Loston, if you have a page of pencilling I could do...

[Crimson Spider]

I'd love to take part in the FF Jam, Loston, if you have a page of pencilling I could do...

Same here.

[Ugga Bugga]

As excited as we all are for Loston's jam, let's throw some love banshee's way with the Catwoman thing, which is making nice progress. :)

[banshee]

As excited as we all are for Loston's jam, let's throw some love banshee's way with the Catwoman thing, which is making nice progress. :)

aww thanks Ugga.. u r a star cheerleader.. :)

the catwoman jam is moving along nicely! the Inks are WIP (work in progress) now, and Page 1 is almost complete (but with some minor tweaks to go), Cover has been pencilled and inked.. ooooohhhh Its getting really exciting... Ive got a great, great team to work with..

Thanks to sdowner, krikkit13, CWmax for some great pencilling, wtg, lads :) I didnt have to crack me whip at all! (well, not really, just a gentle nudge haha)

.... then FF Jam will be next I should imagine hahahhaa.. but Loston is DA Man!!

lia/B

[xadrian]

I'd love to take part in the FF Jam, Loston, if you have a page of pencilling I could do...

Any project that brings you out of the woodwork, my old friend.

[DannoE]

*pokes head in politely*

DannoE: Was a writer ever procured for the FF Jam?

DannoE (thought balloon): 'Cause I know a guy...

*leaves unobtrusively*

[Bruce Lee]

As excited as we all are for Loston's jam, let's throw some love banshee's way with the Catwoman thing, which is making nice progress. :)

I'm currently swamped with work, so the FF Jam is delayed for the moment, but I have to say that I'm very proud of banshee's Catwoman Jam! Thanks for stepping up to the plate, Lia--your jam is turning out to be spectacular!

When I crawl out from under my current workload, I'm very eager to get to the FF Jam! I can't wait! When last I spoke with Xadrian, he mentioned a 10-page limit, so that means chores will fill up quickly, so if you want to join the jam, get on the Jam thread (when one officially starts) and sign up ASAP!

Loston

[banshee]

why thank you Loston :blush: it sure means a lot coming from you!!!

Ive had an awesome team to work with:

Sdowner, krikkit13, Justice41, KaRza, Spectre-7, F1nch, nerdface, rocket37, CWMax :)

rounds of applause all around!!! We have completed!! (does happy dance yet again)..

lia etc

[amadarwin]

*pokes head in politely*

DannoE: Was a writer ever procured for the FF Jam?

DannoE (thought balloon): 'Cause I know a guy...

*leaves unobtrusively*
yes. If I'm not mistaken, Loston already has a script written or is rewriting a new one, but since its his Jam, I'll let him answer. Just didn't want you to be ignored there DannoE :)

[Justice41]

So far as I remember them the Jams have been kinda safe. Not many ventured into areas unconfortable, art wise. We did Hellboy, James Bond, Blade/Buffy, Iron man...... That's all I remember.
Before Loston comes back with the FF jam maybe a quick four pager of something like Spiderman or maybe Daredevil or Captain America or any character that involves settings with lotsa trees, cars, and buildings and crowd scenes. Maybe an Ultimates short story kinda like my original idea of squeezing our story into the real timeline of the Comics. Something like what was Cap or Wasp or Iron Man doing while the other cast members where appearing in the comics. What where the others doing while Cap and the Wasp where getting mugged or what was Cap doing while Thor was hallucinating he was talking to Volstagg? Something like that. Whatyousay?

[banshee]

you do have a valid point there, Justice.. I think we have some scripts that you could be thinking of in the script vault? IF Im not wrong..

here's the link :D

http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59464

xadrian can confirm this but I think theres already another jam in the pipeline to come next before Loston gets started (poor man is so snowed under from wat I understand).

That one could be a challenge artistically speaking ;)

lia etc

[Justice41]

I just clicked on that link and a shiver went down my spine. It's scary in that place.
Ha!
Maybe you guys should also link to the final artwork that was done for some of those stories.
Has anyone written stories that take place out of the US?

[banshee]

urm... hmmm.. I have written something reg: the Japanese Occupation but not using any established characters though.. There are quite a lot of scripts w.o any estb characters outside of the US though... that gives me an idea.. hmmm....

Scary? awwww.... how so?

lia etc

[Rocket37]

Scary ...? Here's an idea ..what about a horror jam? everyone likes a zombie story (walking dead type) or a 50's type horror story, (ala vincent price type)..just something for you to think about...or just say "GO away Rocket" and i'll go back to drawing in my sketch book... :D

Frank

[banshee]

now that is an idea too, Frank :)

like this kinda zombie?
http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60744

hahahahhaa

Interesting.. interesting.. good idea for a writing contest too..

woohoo

lia etc

[banshee]

I gotta ask you artist types :)

would you ever consider drawing any of the writing contest scripts? (the winning entries I mean) as a jam...

here's the thread of fame for your consideration...
http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60211

here's our script vault too (again) lol :
http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59464

They arent always established characters, but good scripts (course I would say that, one of them is mine muahahhahahaha) nontheless...

what are your views?

lia etc

[Bruce Lee]

So far as I remember them the Jams have been kinda safe. Not many ventured into areas unconfortable, art wise. We did Hellboy, James Bond, Blade/Buffy, Iron man...... That's all I remember.
Before Loston comes back with the FF jam maybe a quick four pager of something like Spiderman or maybe Daredevil or Captain America or any character that involves settings with lotsa trees, cars, and buildings and crowd scenes. Maybe an Ultimates short story kinda like my original idea of squeezing our story into the real timeline of the Comics. Something like what was Cap or Wasp or Iron Man doing while the other cast members where appearing in the comics. What where the others doing while Cap and the Wasp where getting mugged or what was Cap doing while Thor was hallucinating he was talking to Volstagg? Something like that. Whatyousay?

Sounds like YOU need to run a jam, Roy! Step up, and pitch one over the plate. You're too comfortable in the dugout, but we all have faith in you heading a jam that'd be fun. Do a small one, at least!

Loston

[banshee]

... now there's an idea worth pursuing.....

;)

lia etc

[xadrian]

As discussed, we've got a few jams under our belts and I feel it's now safe enough to consider doing less mainstream stories. I know there would be a shift in participation, but I know a lot of people are tired of seeing Cap and Hulk and whatnot.

However, that's not to say we won't do them.

The plan, from this moment on, is to alternate between writing contest winners and just volunteers to run a more mainstream character jam.

Since we just did Catwoman, and I know Loston wants to do the F4 but is tied up at the moment, it's a pefect time to pick up the contest winner and roll with it.

At any rate, I still do not want jam overlaps. The catwoman jam is not officially done, so as soon as the site with the jam is complete, I'll start a new thread with amadarwin's script and he and banshee will co-edit.

After that, if Loston still can't do the F4 jam, I'll run something similar.

So say the Junkons

[Ugga Bugga]

Ama's script kicks some serious butt, so I can't wait to see it drawn by you guys.

[banshee]

Ama's script kicks some serious butt, so I can't wait to see it drawn by you guys.

I agree Ugga! His script is awesome! :)

xadrian, makes sense to me... Hmm.. I must nag.. ahem.. I mean remind Cuddly reg: catwoman site.. poor man is snowed under (dang ASJ.. oops, sorry, Ugga) ..

:eek:

lia etc

[Justice41]

Oh you guys don't want me to be a Jamaster. I'm ruthless and will come to your house if you don't follow up. Besides I can' write a coherent sentence much less a story.

[mudcat]

As much as I love the jams, in the future, anytime I say "Oh yeah, I'll color that page!", everyone take turns mocking me. I want to participate BAD. Even though I can't do it with everything else I have going on, I still try to tell myself I can squeeze a jam page in. So just put me down for permanent cheerleader until I can learn to manage my time better :(

The Catwoman looked great!

[Bruce Lee]

As soon as my work load lightens, I'm all over the FF Jam--PROMISE! Right now, things are crazy busy (in a very GOOD way), so I'm enjoying seeing jams like the CATWOMAN jam!

We have seen a lot of superhero stuff in the jams, but BUFFY/BLADE and CONAN jams weren't superhero jams. The FF Jam will actually be my first superhero jam, and I have to say I'm excited by that!

But steering away from superheroes for a moment....I'd really like to see a CARTOON jam of some sort. My personal preference is towards classic toons like PINK PANTHER, BUGS BUNNY, JETSONS, FLINTSTONES, HONG KONG PHOOEY etc, but I'd like to see stuff like TRANSFORMERS, BIONIC SIX, or maybe even STARBLAZERS, ROBOTECH, etc.

I know I'd really flip over a THUNDARR, THE BARBARIAN jam! That'd be cool!

Hell, I'd even dig a KRYPTO THE SUPERDOG jam, if I thought people would participate. :o

Back when I was a CRITICAL MASS mod, I created a POWER PUFF GIRLS sequential assignment, and I remember that we got a lot of people complaining in the discussion forum there about it--cuz it was "themdamnPowderPuff grrlz" or whatever, but guess what? It was on of the biggest turn outs ever on a CM sequential assignment, inspite of all the balking and initial negative reactions. People's interest in toons shouldn't be underestimated. Who the hell doesn't want to draw a sequential featuring "DUCK DOGERS, in the 24th and 1/2 Ceeeennnnturrrryyyy!"? We all like cartoons--right?

Loston
http://w.lostonwallace.com

[Ugga Bugga]

A cartoon jam would be great.

Somewhere down the road, (I'm a little busy now, but if given time say for after the FF jam) I'd be prepared to write something for any of the following

Road Runner / Coyote
The Simpsons
Scooby Doo
The Flintstones
The Jetsons
Bugs Bunny

I couldn't help you with the Transformers stuff, but a sneaky suspicion tells me that Xadrian might.

[banshee]

ooooooh powerpuff girls...... Kim possible? I'd love to do that hahahahhaa.... Thundercats! I remember those... Samurai jack?

or are we talking old school cartoons.... Do a story on the muppets! hahahaa

oh the ideas pour forth...

Justice- u mean u'd fly all the way to malaysia? hehehehe As for the script, well, there could always be another writer doing that with your collaboration and you be the EIC :) How about that? :D

lia etc

[xadrian]

These are all good ideas, and we'll be mining this thread for candidates as each jam comes up.

[Bruce Lee]

Just for the heck of it...

My TOP 10 Jams to do WISH LIST:

1) FANTASTIC FOUR (it's comin'!)

2) THUNDARR--Post-apocolyptic Earth Conan! What's not to like?

3) CADILLACS & DINOSAURS--Another vision of the future--with dinosaurs and 50s style tech!

4) MAGNUS, ROBOT FIGHTER--I'm talking CLASSIC Magnus--man vs. machine in 4000 A.D.!

5) SPACE GHOST/HERCULOIDS. Either would be cool by me!

6) JETSONS--One of my favorite cartoons as a kid. Love the style!

7) CTHULHU JAM--Lovecraft's visions are dark, weird and always deliver!

8) THE SHADOW--Love the character!

9) JONNY QUEST--sci-fi meets the supernatural amidst the Cold War back-drop!

10) NEXUS--A superhero/executioner in a Space Ghost traditional style!

[Justice41]

Those all sound nice but not challenging, at least to me. How about adapting a true story into pictures? Say we take a small story from WW2 set in Europe, of a group of soldiers rescuing or fighting off the Nazi's.
Comics and cartoons are kinda easy because everyone's seen them or done their own version over the years. But something completely unfamiliar would be a real challenge. To me these Jams shouldn't be easy but they should be interesting and fun. But not easy. I'm not saying to do a story like the one I described but something not normally tackled by Us comics fans.

[amadarwin]

Which is why taking a script from the writer's forum would be nice. The majority of the scripts there aren't typical superhero fare, and many are quite a good read and would be fun for a jam if people wouldn't mind stepping away from their 'comfort zones' a bit.

[Bruce Lee]

Those all sound nice but not challenging, at least to me. How about adapting a true story into pictures? Say we take a small story from WW2 set in Europe, of a group of soldiers rescuing or fighting off the Nazi's.
Comics and cartoons are kinda easy because everyone's seen them or done their own version over the years. But something completely unfamiliar would be a real challenge. To me these Jams shouldn't be easy but they should be interesting and fun. But not easy. I'm not saying to do a story like the one I described but something not normally tackled by Us comics fans.

You don't think a CTHULHU story would be challenging??! A 1920s era piece with people wearing real clothing of that era, driving cars of that era, doing weird things in exotic locales??! No spandex in the Lovecraft worlds!

CADILLACS & DINOSAURS offers no challenge?! JONNY QUEST offers no challenge?!? All I can say, Roy, is DAMN, you're good if stuff like that is a breeze for ya. That stuff would offer a hell of a lot of challenges to a guy like me! lol!

You're assuming that this stuff won't offer you any challenges, Roy, I think that's a silly outlook, dude. You know, the things we think will be the easiest, often turn out to be the most difficult. I kind of feel like you're throwing rocks at my ideas, without even giving them much real consideration. :(

I don't believe many PJers have had ANY experience drawing a lot of these toons or have even ever attempted to work in a style outside of their comfortability zone. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that most of the PJers have never actually even seen a full episode of THUNDARR or the Original JONNY QUEST toons for that matter. This stuff might not be new ground for you, or might not stretch your abilities, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't give others quite a struggle.

You know, if there's one thing I've learned over the years in regards to sequential art of ANYKIND, it's this: there will always be some sort of challenge for an artist who is trying to do his or her level best. If you're willing to push yourself, then you set your own challenges.

Should we disregard jam ideas on the sole notion that some artists might not have to struggle as much as others to get his or her chores accomplished? Or because it's a subject that some don't find interesting? We all know that not every jam is going to appeal to everyone anyway, or necessarily be a challenge for everyone, eh?

Fun is the right incentive. A good script of anykind should offer plenty of challenges to anyone. I'm not thinking at all about pushing any sort of boundaries with these cartoon jam suggestions (though I will point out that a cartoon jam is an area we have NOT ventured into thus far). To be honest, I personally don't have much interest in reinventing the wheel with an idea for a jam project. My main interest in ANY jam on PJ is ALWAYS to have fun, first and foremost! The challenges are already guaranteed with each project. I've never seen a jam without challenges. These jams are about co-operating with each other and having fun creating something we can all be proud of in the end. The enjoyment of working together is the main reason I like to do these things.

I think I can safely speak for anyone who's ever participated in a jam I've spear-headed: there has always PLENTY of fun, with a healthy dose of uber-challenge sprinkled in. lol. Some of the challenges have been calculated in the scripts, but many have been unforeseen things that needed to be dealt with on the fly. That's the nature of these things.

I'd like to think that the bar is always set very high from the get-go with these jam projects, because we all set out to challenge ourselves from the start. If not, I know I'm ready to crack the whip and make peeps rise to the occasion! :p



Loston

[jeremy dale]

I think it would be interesting, if done correctly. Sometimes the most simple premise is the best challenge.

Jeremy

[korintic]

Damn I'm really looking forward to 'Cadillacs & Dinosaurs' and 'Cthulhu Jam'.. I think practise is practise -making it fun just gets more people to paritcipate.

-korintic

[Bruce Lee]

Which is why taking a script from the writer's forum would be nice. The majority of the scripts there aren't typical superhero fare, and many are quite a good read and would be fun for a jam if people wouldn't mind stepping away from their 'comfort zones' a bit.

Well, it's gotta be a fun script if you want people to devote their time to it. It doesn't have to be superheroes, it just has to be something that can garner participation. That's the hat trick. And there's nothing stopping anyone with a good script idea from trying their hand at a jam project. It's not like the writing desk folks aren't welcomed to do jams. Ugga and Banshee just did two jams, and I've been known to turn up like a bad penny on the writer's desk. True, superheroes, Bond, Buffy, Catwoman, etc are 'comfort zone' materials, but they got peeps to participate.

I'd love to see a WWII script like Roy described. I think it'd be cool and challenging. But would people want to participate? Dunno. Throw in Captain America, and I'll bet your chances improve dramatically! I'd hope people would want to do something "normal", but it's much easier to get people interested when Spider-man's your bait. But that doesn't mean that a Spider-man Jam would be easy or wouldn't offer some tough challenges. That would be an unfair and unwise thing to say.

If you're after something a bit less-spandex oriented, then maybe you shouldn't try to make the jump in one big leap. Maybe you should consider something one degree over...like a FIREFLY Jam. The INDIANA JONES JAM & THE JAMES BOND JAM were steps in that direction (but Indy jam failed, as I recall).

I know I'd love to see something historical or in period. Black Sheep Squadron, anyone?

Loston

[banshee]

oh oh oh Black sheep squadron??? I remember I remember!!!!

Does ASJ count as a jam? If not, Im just a newbie (only done the catwoman Jam)... Otherwise.. Im just pushy ;)

Speaking for writers, we have a vault worth of scripts which we are trying to add to, we have writing contests with some great scripts..but as always, nice to see more collaboration and more activity and the jams are a nice way to do so... I guess its writer frustration LOL

oooh... WW2.... we could get that subject as a future writing contest and offer it up here... no?

...food for thought.....

lia etc





Well, it's gotta be a fun script if you want people to devote their time to it. It doesn't have to be superheroes, it just has to be something that can garner participation. That's the hat trick. And there's nothing stopping anyone with a good script idea from trying their hand at a jam project. It's not like the writing desk folks aren't welcomed to do jams. Ugga and Banshee just did two jams, and I've been known to turn up like a bad penny on the writer's desk. True, superheroes, Bond, Buffy, Bond, etc are 'comfort zone' materials, but they got peeps to participate.

I'd love to see a WWII script like Roy described. I think it'd be cool and challenging. But would people want to participate? Dunno. Throw in Captain America, and I'll bet your chances improve dramatically! I'd hope people would want to do something "normal", but it's much easier to get people interested when Spider-man's your bait. But that doesn't mean that a Spider-man Jam would be easy or wouldn't offer some tough challenges. That would be an unfair and unwise thing to say.

If you're after something a bit less-spandex oriented, then maybe you shouldn't try to make the jump in one big leap. Maybe you should consider something one degree over...like a FIREFLY Jam. The INDIANA JONES JAM & THE JAMES BOND JAM were steps in that direction (but Indy jam failed, as I recall).

I know I'd love to see something historical or in period. Black Sheep Squadron, anyone?

Loston



Loston

[Justice41]

I just really liked those old Classic Illustrated that Marvel did and the Young Indian Jones Books from DarkHorse. Being able to draw normal I my mind is the hardest thing to do. Realistic period clothing and settings...Just so much fun to draw.
Well a way to do a WW2 story with Cap or the Torch or even The Submariner, is to take one of the heros', one of the more outstanding Soldiers and transform him into the Superhero.
Kind of like what they did with Wolverine and Cap in one of those X-men Evolution toons.

[DannoE]

Thundarr gets my vote. Man, that show rocked out! :eek:

[Bruce Lee]

I just really liked those old Classic Illustrated that Marvel did and the Young Indian Jones Books from DarkHorse. Being able to draw normal I my mind is the hardest thing to do. Realistic period clothing and settings...Just so much fun to draw.
Well a way to do a WW2 story with Cap or the Torch or even The Submariner, is to take one of the heros', one of the more outstanding Soldiers and transform him into the Superhero.
Kind of like what they did with Wolverine and Cap in one of those X-men Evolution toons.


One of the reason I really enjoyed the first Lee/Kirby HULK stories is because it didn't feel like a superhero book, but rather like one of those great Marvel monster comics. You had military guys, scientists, and spies, with the desert as a backdrop (not New York City), with the great Frankenstein/Jeckle & Hyde monster element as a hook! There's never been an actual HULK Jam to date, but if I ran one, I'd take it back to the roots just for the sake of giving people real clothing folds, wrinkles and drapery to draw!

I really enjoyed Michael Lark's WWII flashbacks in the pages of the recent CAPTAIN AMERICA book. Lark does the kind of projects that you're talking about Roy. A GOTHAM CENTRAL Jam would be fun, I think--that'd be like adapting an episode of HOMICIDE or something...but I wonder if enough PJers would be familiar with that comic to be interested in it as a jam project? Maybe if a Batman villain was thrown in for good measure (one of the less outrageous supervillian types), the interest would increase? Might be nice to have Bruce Wayne cameo in such a jam, but NOT Batman. :D

[banshee]

oooooh.. interesting.. I like I like!!!!

Was black sheep squadron the "Baa baa black sheep" show? With wassahisname, Robert Conran?

used to be my fav....

lia etc

[Vegeta]

I think any the projects Loston listed would work and be popular, but I think Thundarr would be the most popular in my opinion just on the wide open of type things you could draw. I mean think about it magic,laser swords,wizards,mixed with city backgrounds. That would be cool to draw.

[banshee]

well helloooooooo brian :)

Thundarr? dont know anything about thundarr?

Black sheep squadron.... :D

lia etc

[Vegeta]

Hi Lia! No Black Sheep Squadron would be good too. :)

[Bruce Lee]

Welcome back, Brian!

I'm good to do anything, when I have time to do so. Thundarr, or any of the suggestions thown out here....but the FF Jam will be first for me! However, if anyone here wants to take the initiative and do one of the Jam's I suggested, please don't hesitate to do so!

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

[F!]

I think a period-set story would make a decent challenge. Cthulu, The Shadow, or a WW2 story get my vote.

[mudcat]

Mmmmm...Cthulu...

That could be an awesome jam. Instead of coming up with something original, the writers could simply adapt one of Lovecraft's short stories into a comic.

Sorry, just cheerleader type rambling.

[Bruce Lee]

Mmmmm...Cthulu...

That could be an awesome jam. Instead of coming up with something original, the writers could simply adapt one of Lovecraft's short stories into a comic.

Sorry, just cheerleader type rambling.

The idea of a Lovecraft Cthulhu story is not a bad idea--especially because it would require a lot of skill on the writer's part to properly pull it off, considering H.P. Lovecraft's writing style! The other challenge would be where page limits are concerned. I'd love to see someone attempt this! If I had the time right now, I'd attempt it.

In the hopes that someone else might feel froggy enough to take the leap, here's some Cthulhu stories that might make for good sequential adaptations:

1) Call of Cthulhu
2) Shadow over Innsmouth
3) Dagon
4) The Dunwich Horror
5) Cool Air
6) The Haunter of the Dark
7) The Black Stone (Robert E. Howard)
8) Ubbo-Sathla (Clark Ashton Smith)

There's tons more that would work as well. If no one is willing to try this, I'll officially state that after the FF Jam is complete, this will be my next Jam. :o

Loston

[Ugga Bugga]

Whatever is decided on, I think that we need to consider going through this process of deciding on the next jam, upon the commencement of the art phase of the preceding jam.

That way, while art is being created for a jam, the script for the next one is in process.

That way, the momentum of these jams is not lost while we sit, debate, then commission the script.

It might also be worthwhile to get a writer on board to get their input. I am not available at this time to write for a jam, plus I've written 2 of the last 5 jams, so its time to give others a turn, There are some great writers hanging around the writing room.

[korintic]

Chtulhu story set in the WW2 would be really cool. Challenging for sure and fun to see and participate in.

[casey]

i have a number of stories i want to see made comics out of so their sales can help the katrina victims over the years it will take for them to recover..

if anyone's willing to help produce them, i will be more than glad to let you have them ...

please p/m me about them.

thanks,

casey.

and p.s. it is good to find a place where i have been welcomed.

[banshee]

Casey, that would perhaps be more in tune for the Bullentin board :)

thanks
lia etc

[Justice41]

Looks and sounds like we are heading back to a Hellboy type story again.
Lovecraftian monsters, Nazii's, WW2, it sounds good to me. Tie in some sort of experiment like the one in Overfiend and ya gots a winner.

[banshee]

... in a fortnight or so, our writing contest 6 should have a WWII setting among other things..

watch out for it.. who knows where it would end up :D

lia etc

[tarnsman]

Cthulhu in WWII sounds interesting.
I'd be up for writing a story like that. I've been a fan of Lovecraft for a long time.
If there's interest in this vein, are we going to do something like what Hellboy does, or is it going to be much more true to Lovecraft's work - in that the hero dies, or goes stark raving mad from the things he's learned?

Cool Air - a corpse stays alive by sheer force of will.

Dagon - an explorer stumbles upon an ancient altar and sees an indescribable elder thing and goes mad.

The Haunter of the Dark - explorer delves into things best left buried and uncovers an ancient and alien mystery that destroys him.

One of my favorites - The Shunned House - a strange house drives anyone insane who tries to live inside it.

Anyhow, if people are in agreeance that this is the kind of story we'd like to write, I'm willing to give it a go.

Just give me the word and some thoughts.

Tarl aka tarnsman
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my website - www.geocities.com/tarltelford (http://www.geocities.com/tarltelford)

[tarnsman]

Hey gang,

Been thinking and reading a little on WWII. There are a great number of theaters where action took place during that time.

My idea for a Mythos-inspired story in WWII takes place in Alaska, and follows a battallion of the Alaskan US Army Signal Corps (they built the communications systems).
A large earthquake opens up a fissure in the earth, which reveals ancient cyclopaean ruins (a staple in this kind of story). The crew goes in to explore, and to see their worth for staging troops in any potential offensives against the Axis Powers.
The crew keeps their leaders apprised of their movements by radio to their man in the radio shack, who relays their information to both Seattle and Washington, DC. (this allows for the story to be told in captions - almost in retrospect, a Lovecraftian staple. It will help us keep his tone of writing more easily.)
They unearth a horrible evil which steals their breath and kills them all. Only one survivor makes it back to the actual radio shack to send out one last message.
The horrible information sent out doesn't make any sense. He is only able to babble through morse code, "In his house at R'yleh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming." This goes on, including a few more meaningless phrases.
Then the line goes deathly silent.
One minute later, rapid-fire morse code beeps out the same message for the next seven minutes. "Ia, Ia. Cthulhu ftaghn! etc."


Those are my thoughts right now. I know these things are supposed to be group collaboration. I don't have the time to be a project editor, but I am willing to write the story. I could submit my draft of a comic script, but I am also open to a collaboration on the script aspect of it.

Tarl

[Bruce Lee]

Hey gang,

Been thinking and reading a little on WWII. There are a great number of theaters where action took place during that time.

My idea for a Mythos-inspired story in WWII takes place in Alaska, and follows a battallion of the Alaskan US Army Signal Corps (they built the communications systems).
A large earthquake opens up a fissure in the earth, which reveals ancient cyclopaean ruins (a staple in this kind of story). The crew goes in to explore, and to see their worth for staging troops in any potential offensives against the Axis Powers.
The crew keeps their leaders apprised of their movements by radio to their man in the radio shack, who relays their information to both Seattle and Washington, DC. (this allows for the story to be told in captions - almost in retrospect, a Lovecraftian staple. It will help us keep his tone of writing more easily.)
They unearth a horrible evil which steals their breath and kills them all. Only one survivor makes it back to the actual radio shack to send out one last message.
The horrible information sent out doesn't make any sense. He is only able to babble through morse code, "In his house at R'yleh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming." This goes on, including a few more meaningless phrases.
Then the line goes deathly silent.
One minute later, rapid-fire morse code beeps out the same message for the next seven minutes. "Ia, Ia. Cthulhu ftaghn! etc."


Those are my thoughts right now. I know these things are supposed to be group collaboration. I don't have the time to be a project editor, but I am willing to write the story. I could submit my draft of a comic script, but I am also open to a collaboration on the script aspect of it.

Tarl


Tarl,

Sounds really interesting, but keep in mind a few things. 1) You may only have 5 pages to play with for sequentials, so the story needs to fit comfortably within that sort of limit. Xadrian might be willing to allow as much as 10 pages on a jam, but he might only be doing that with editor in chiefs who've proven they can bring a jam in on time, I'm not sure. Either way, you still have to try to make a story kind of down n' dirty to some extent, or one that will work out thru skipping forwards as time passes. Can you write a script like you're suggesting in 5 pages, without having more than 7 panels on each page?

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

[Justice41]

I've been buying these Marvel Flip books at the seven 11 and they are, I guess reprints. One side is Captain America and they had a real WW2 event with Cap and the Invaders plopped in it. It looked cool as hell under Eptings pencils. So my idea is moot. Don't wann copy anything others have done especially once you see it done real well.

[banshee]

hey Tarl :) Some great ideas there.. why dont you have a trial run of a script based on what loston suggested and see where it takes ya? Post it up on the writinglab, would love to see it.. very interesting indeed.. Btw Writing contest 6 is WWII based :)

lia etc

[banshee]

http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?p=644581#post644581

WWII aspect..

hmmm black sheep squadron?? ehhee

lia etc

[banshee]

whats next on the future jam horizon?

lia etc

[Rocket37]

I was wondering the same thing now that the severine jam is just about completed! The FF jam would be nice, but i think since Loston is going back for more surgery, that might put it off for a while. But i sure don't want to speak for him!

Frank

[Ugga Bugga]

Something that I have been lobbying for for a while, Is choosing the JAM topic, one jam ahead, and commissioning a script.

that way, when the previous jam is done, the script should be done, have had time for C + C.

[Hangman]

i was thinking that we could also add another type of Jam to create traffic that would beneficial to the Jams and Jamborees. I like what tenton studios is doing with their artists. One person starts a story with a page and then another artist takes over and adds another page. The fun part is seeing where the different artists take the story plus it seems to me that there is less pressure than with the group jams. I would think that it would hopefully attract more artists to the Community Projects section and therefore more interest for the other jams. I've done this kinda thing in college and its a lot of fun.

[xadrian]

That's a good idea hangman, we might do that. The Long Play Jam. Scriptless, no dialogue, but they have to be finished pages. We could do it like the "Draw My Character" thread where people sign up by replying with a place holder, then when their name comes up it's their shot to carry the story along. Not to get too crazy, we limit the "book" to something like 40-50 pages, then start another one. Not a bad idea, I'll pitch it to the big wigs, see if there's a problem with that. I wouldn't expect there to be.

As far as what's next, I'd love to do a Futurama jam, but I think that my limit who can participate due to style. I'll go back and see what was discussed here and possibly just honor an earlier request.

We'll see.

[banshee]

Good plan there Hangman.. and that's also a good suggestion, Ugga (though I wouldn't like to admit it haha) but on the other hand, aren't we doing that now? We all know we are going to do the FF jam and the writers contest winning scripts are the "odd" or was it "even" number in terms of jam allocation.. so... is that what you were thinking of?

futurama jam? now that'd be funky... or oooooooh CAPTAIN CAVEMAN! but Im just odd...

lia etc

[xadrian]

The suggestion Hangman had is a go, but I'm going to wait to start it for a little while longer. I want to get another jam rolling then maybe mid way through that we'll do the Streaming Jam. (ooOo)

With that in mind, what's going to be the next jam. The current writing contest winner script jam is basically done, and we need to get another one going.

I don't want to have to read through 30+ pages of discussion, but I know more than once "horror" was mentioned as well as "cartoon." So let's discuss. I'd be in favor of running a Futurama Jam, but what say the masses?

[banshee]

I like the idea of Futurama :D

lia etc

[amadarwin]

do we have to keep it true to the animated style?

[xadrian]

Don't have too, what's your idea? Realistic Futurama?

[amadarwin]

nah, just wonderin, is all. but that would be interesting...

[Bruce Lee]

I was wondering the same thing now that the severine jam is just about completed! The FF jam would be nice, but i think since Loston is going back for more surgery, that might put it off for a while. But i sure don't want to speak for him!

Frank

The FF Jam is looking to be an early 2006 jam at this point, because of DC deadlines and the upcoming surgery, holidays, etc.
I can promise that it will ABSOLUTELY be worth the wait. Banshee has agreed to team up with me on this one. She'll help organize things and help me snap the whips! :D

In the meantime, I think the floor's open to do a new jam.

Some jam ideas I'd personally love to see happen:

Some humor:
-Harley and Ivy animated jam
-Duck Dodgers

Some horror:
-Call of Cthulhu
-Swamp Thing

Some weird:
-Jonah Hex
-Ghostbusters
-The Goon

Some fantasy:
-King Kong
-AD&D type genre stuff

Loston

[KaRzA]

Futurama sounds really well. Trying to make it look like the cartoon could be hard but also would make it different from other jams :)

[xadrian]

-Harley and Ivy animated jam


Yeah, but I'd have to make you draw that whole thing.

[banshee]

:D It's an honour, privilege and downright scary to be working alongside Mr. Wallace in da future.. ;)

yeah.. cracking dem whips...

Futurama meets Harley and Poison Ivy! heheheheeee


lia etc

[xadrian]

How about a Futurama halloween special in which the characters dress up as comic book characters. Amy could be Harley, Leela could be Ivy.

They would have to interrupt a costume party to go on a mission to deliver candy to Ghoulion 9.

[Bruce Lee]

A TICK jam MUST happen. :D

Loston

[Rocket37]

A TICK jam MUST happen. :D

Loston

AWe man..I loved the Tick...That was such a cool show!!

Now that would make an awesome jam!!

...boy..i sure am using "awesome" alot lately....DARN YOU UGGA!!! :D

Frank

[xadrian]

That's not a bad idea, actually. I think that came up ealier too.

[Spidey]

What of a swashbuckler jam ya scurvey lanlubbers?
P.S. Is anyone else getting that Cwac hacker think or is it just me?

[xadrian]

Not just you, I think it's the main pages for each forum. Once you can get past that, you can still post and what not.

[Bruce Lee]

MARS ATTACKS JAM! This one MUST happen!! :D

Loston

[xadrian]

Going back, I think one of the earliest suggestions was a horror jam. I'm thinking maybe some kind of Zombie Jam, (minus of course the Jedi and Iron man.)

But the Tick has me really excited. Could we have the Tick and Arthur fighting a bad guy who's creating zombies out of citizens of The City?

[banshee]

I watched Samurai Jack last night hahaha.. That would be a cool jam next time too...


oooooooh yeah yeah!

[Vegeta]

Why don't we take all these ideas and have everyone that is interested vote on them ,so we can start one of them up. I think all of them have been good ideas.We just need to agree on one now.

[Bruce Lee]

Why don't we take all these ideas and have everyone that is interested vote on them ,so we can start one of them up. I think all of them have been good ideas.We just need to agree on one now.


Yeah, we seriously need to do a vote. Lots of ideas floating around, but no idea as to which one's people really want to see. A vote is the only way we'll figure that out.

Loston

[xadrian]

I'll get a poll up in a moment.

[xadrian]

Just an update, I'm still considering how to organize this On-Going Jam as was suggested earlier. Expect something by the end of the week.

[banshee]

... just checking in... what's next?

[G-man_2000]

Start your engines!

[xadrian]

You could always sign up for the Forever Jam while you wait.

I'll have to ask if Loston would want or could handle doing his F4 jam now.

[banshee]

woohoooooooooo

[G-man_2000]

That would be great but I’ve been getting behind in doing sequential’s for this writer. I’ll have more time later this mouth just got to keep this ball running at a good pace. So much concept art I had to do to help me with the sequentials. Hopefully I’ll be in the “Forever Jam” before page 10.

[xadrian]

It's gonna be a month before we would get to you anyway, there are a couple people in line, but not many.

[G-man_2000]

Ok, sign me up!

[xadrian]

I think the Bear Jam is about done, so I'd like to start discussing the F4 Jam some more. I've heard through the ether-vine that Bruce Lee and banshee would be running this. I would love to help in anyway, but you would have two of the most competent people around running the show, so I'd stick around for artistic input.

I know both these guys are also crazy busy with other projects, so I'll leave it to them to come here with their input.

[banshee]

there's only the website left for the man bear jam, it's currently being built (some folks haven't come back with their pages), so.. when that's done, we are good to go..

I'm ready whenever loston is..

[KaRzA]

hmmm lately i was thinking about a template for the jams... to make the websites easier...
want to see it uploaded to read it comfortably :)

[G-man_2000]

I don’t even use that much HTML to build websites any more and yes it would take to much time. Every one should know a little CSS and just like HTML you don’t need an editor to make a website with! You can learn it from a book or class or from a website. The best thing about CSS is that you program one yes one external file that controls the look of the entire website, removing the need to change every page of the website except on rear occasions, this saves allot of time. If you made a few website already with CSS, that means you got all the more CSS code to export to new website using CSS codes saving even more time! Remember just like HTML you must make shore the code you use are compatible with older browsers and with both IE & NN other then that CSS is just as compatible now as HTML.

XML seem to have been dragging its feet for years now, but you can use both CSS and XML together if you like. You can program “MS Access” from “MS Office” like a website editor using XML. People who don’t know any thing about website can edit there web page’s in small text box’s or true and false option box’s just by clicking on the “MS Access” file you made. XML has so many rule you can program into it so that the user can’t screw up the website even if he/she wanted to!!:D

[banshee]

Gman, its more that we had to gather all the files and "fix" em for the site really. and Paying work has to come first LOL

[G-man_2000]

Sorry for being over critical. I just don’t want the “Jam” to end up like “Critical mass”. Over a year and a half xadrian had to put the “Jam” on hold for many reason’s, just don’t want things to fall apart. I’m hopping the “Jam’s” can stays around for many more years!!:D

[KaRzA]

Gman, its more that we had to gather all the files and "fix" em for the site really. and Paying work has to come first LOL

Banshee i usually fix my images using irfanview to process them in batch...

www.irfanview.com

Gman, i also like to code using notepad... this way i can modify things easily :)

[xadrian]

Sorry for being over critical. I just don’t want the “Jam” to end up like “Critical mass”. Over a year and a half xadrian had to put the “Jam” on hold for many reason’s, just don’t want things to fall apart. I’m hopping the “Jam’s” can stays around for many more years!!:D

Oh, they aren't going anywhere. But I'm confused by what you mean by "on hold for a year and a half?" We've been running pretty steady for, actually, about a year and a half and one jam has usually run right into another one.

:confused:

[G-man_2000]

You don’t remember? Before the “Moon night Jam” when we had all those unfinished Jam’s and we had to started a whole thread on what can make Jam’s effective again, you know all those new rules we use now.

[xadrian]

Yeah, that was a long time ago though. We've been really good since then. Counting this one we've done 6 jams in 15 months.

I try not to dwell on what we haven't done, it makes me depressed.

In fact, maybe you'd like to be Editor on the next jam. Whataya say?

[xadrian]

Trying to bring it all back to the discussion thread and let the actual jam finish on it's own, there's a few things we need to discuss.

1) The current jam has to be wrapped up soon. Just has to be. It's been given notice.

2) The next jam has to start almost immediately. The problem is the people on tap to work on The Fantastic Four jam are terribly busy. Loston is doing more and more pro and paying work as the months roll on and I don't want to interfere with that. Banshee just wrapped up one jam and is working on a few other projects AND has three kids AND has to deal with Don, so...Point is, I don't know if the F4 jam is going to happen.

3) Which means we have a Tick script in the pipe and can run with that right away. I can co-edit that if maybe G-Man wants to run the show and be the whip cracker. If he doesn't, I'll find someone who can help.

4) Once that one is underway, I'll sneak away and start discussion again for a follow up to that one. If we do F4 now, Tick is next. If we do Tick now and F4 still can't be done in 3 months, we'll use the script we develop alternatively.

Sound good?

[G-man_2000]

I wish, but this month I got the movie poster I need done. It’s a large city seen with at least 15 characters in it and I told him I’d pencil and fully color it. I’m referencing live actors and he wants the faces done well. I also got the super hero drawing for comic-con I have to do for him so I’m booked for this month. Being Editor sounds great but I don’t want to jump in unless I can give it my100% I would need more time to do that and this month I can’t make that promise.:(

[G-man_2000]

If by next month you can’t find some one. I could jump in so let me know next week so I can start cutting some corners and buying some time for next month.

[banshee]

Don is back to working on the website last night (he finished his commission rush job) so should be done soon. Gman, I don't tend to leave any jams I work on hanging for a year and half, EEK.. even a month and half is making me feel guilty! But it will get done.

From what I know, Loston is just finetuning the FF jam script right now. so don't y'all worrry now :)

[Ugga Bugga]

I am in the process of spitting and polishing the Tick script. It doesn't matter to me none, if Loston wants to go now.

If not I will need 1-2 days to finish my tick stuff

[banshee]

Man Bear jam is done:
http://www.angeliaong.com/manbearjam/

just needs Ben's official closing.

[sdowner]

Somebody email me when the F4 Jam starts, OK? I decided I wanted to work on it last spring or whenever, but it was on hold and I did the Bond and Man/Bear jams instead. I'm ready for it whenever Loston is.

[banshee]

You so know I would email you Steve ;)

[xadrian]

I think we're going to go ahead with the Tick. Loston's got a F4 jam ready, but he mentioned he can't be involved right now, so we'll wait on that.

So that means Ugga's Tick script will go forward. I've got a copy and will start a new thread to work on that first.

Meanwhile, since Loston may not be back by the time we need a new script to start up, what were some of the past ideas we could work with?

[G-man_2000]

A kung fu Jam could help artists learn to do more combat action like panels. Also doing a Jam with some of the second string super heroes from marvel or DC would be nice.

[banshee]

Kung fu jam sounds good :) Got a script in mind Gman?

[G-man_2000]

Got some ideas. I can start working on some thing next month.

[xadrian]

Work up a simple pitch idea and we'll discuss it. By then we'll see if Loston really doesn't want to come back or not. Maybe we'll just do F4 without him, who knows.

[xadrian]

Ok folks, it appears The Tick jam is in neutral for a bit, but well underway. Now's the time to start workin' up another jam. Enough people think it's doable to have multiple projects going so let's see some enthusiasm.

The original idea was a Fantastic Four jam from Loston. Don't think that will happen, so let's hear some other ideas. Go back through this thread and see what's been mentioned. Go back and see who's been a good contributor. I want to see solid ideas and recommendations for editors for the project.

I've got a couple ideas for editor, I want to see who thinks they can run the show.

Don't forget the writers. They run contests over at their Lab, see if there's one that fits the bill for a doable Fusion Jam.

Fire it up!

[D-chan]

Just a random idea:

First a contest to develop a character bio.

Then a contest in Proving Grounds to develop concept art for that character.

Then have the writer who won the first contest collaborate with the concept artist to develop a story.

Finally, we have an original character with an original story for a Jam.

[xadrian]

I think someone did that before....hmmm....who was that... (http://www.awesomestormjustice.com)

Anyhoo, that's a nifty idea. I seem to remember somewhere PJ not wanting to cross forums with stuff like this, but that was a long time ago. I could ask him again just to make sure.

The only reason I wouldn't want to do this is all the people who's characters aren't picked or who's art isn't voted highly enough. It feels like we're taking a voluntary part of the community and making it into a competition. Right?

But I'll think on it.

[Manji]

Thanks to a cheesefest sketch (http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?p=710187) by Uglypuppy, I along with others have a Jamboree idea. Draw your own lame ass 90's anti-hero. You know strap and pouches, cybernetic arms, shiny shoulder pads, crew cuts with pony tails, glowing eyes. etc etc What do you say?

[Youma]

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but, could someone split the "draw my character" jamboree? At the current pace, i have counted that it will take no less than a year before the people who sign up today get to do anything. Thats a tad bit.. long, don't you think? The two day rule isn't held either, so it takes forever before anything happens at all....

[Mr.Hades]

Agreed. The little project needs to be brought to heel.

[xadrian]

I'll see what can be done.

[G-man_2000]

I was talking about how slow it was over a year ago.

[banshee]

We recently had a contest for a superhero/supervillain on the verge of retiring (their thoughts/feelings etc).. pretty darn interesting?

not sure what else to suggest LOL

[Ugga Bugga]

zombies vs pirates

[Justice41]

Immortal vs Nazi out to create a new Master race from the blood of an immortal synthesized and injected into clones of the ultimate Nazi.It's an old Idea. Immortal is a soldier during the big one and is witnessed by a nazi as he takes heavy fire from a stukka and not only survives but takes out the stukka and it's pilot by hand. The Nazi search's through the ages for this person with only a grainy B/w Photo and tales of a man who seems not to be able to be killed. take it from there. Nazi has gained huge wealth but is old and has millions of embryonic clones hidden in a vast underground bunker just waiting for a synthetic blood formula made from the blood of the Immortal. His agents are on a significant lead. Take it from there. Don't say I never suggested anything.

[banshee]

Would u ever run a jam Justice? :D

[Ugga Bugga]

Would u ever run a jam Justice? :D

Ugga bursts out laughing.

[Justice41]

That sounds slightly erotic....

[Bruce Lee]

Wrestling superheroes vs giant Martian crab robots. Make it happen. :D

[xadrian]

Ok, with the Tick jam being wrapped up by Karza, I'd like to find out if anyone is interested in running the next jam. I'd like to take a break from it for a few months, so if anyone is willing to run one, I'll help get it started.

Thanks.

[amadarwin]

wuussss...

[xadrian]

Step up, then, weakness.

[amadarwin]

oh, look at that. My mother's calling me. Sorry, bye bye!

[xadrian]

S'what I thought.

:p

Any real takers?

[ielle77]

ok, xadrian conned me into doing it(he waved a olive garden breadstick at me... wretched man :D ).

i am either:

a) mildly stupid (or perhaps massively)
b) a glutton for punishment
c) crazy (like get a straight jacket insane)
d) Or soooo new to this that i have no idea what i've just agreed to and therefore am clueless to the pain that is to come.

OR e) all of the above.

Take your pick.

Now... what would you all like to do next now that i've decided to take the bullet for you all?? :D

someone is going to have to lead me through this a bit. (see above reasons as to why).

[xadrian]

I don't mind helping out to get the ball rolling, but once the snowball is at least doubled its size, I'm going to step back.

Now, we can either go back through the thread and see what was suggested most recently and do a poll or we can take a pick at a newly won writers' contest and see about adapting a script from that.

[ielle77]

well the voting is on going right now on WC 14, but that has no dialogue (that was the exercise this time) so that's probably out.

The past one kinda had some controversy... many involved with that one felt the winner simply wrote a batman story and renamed it, rather than sticking to the guidelines of creating an original character.

No idea what the one before that was about lol. Let me go surfing... where's my board??? :p

[ielle77]

Okay, here are the topics of the past few WCs

WESTERN HORROR

Highwayman Ghost Story

Modern Day Pirate.

Do we like any of those, if not i had another idea... the folks at the sample scripts for artists thread are not only willing to have their stuff made, they'd LOVE to have their stuff made. Perhaps we could vote on one of those to do.

What does everyone think?

[G-man_2000]

I vote for a poll!

[ielle77]

uh... a poll for what?? the sample scripts, the winners of the past few writing contests? What's been listed here? (which no offense we haven't listed one yet that's hit my fancy, but that's just me :o ).

[banshee]

There's the thread of fame also if we want to use any of the previous winners for WC. Ielle.. welcome to the world of community project editing....muahahaha.. if u need help, let me know...

How far back did u wanna go for WC winners though (if u want it?)

[ielle77]

well i don't think we should go further back than 6 (excluding the current one of course since it has no dialogue and is still be voted upon). That shouldn't be too many to look over and yet still give us a wide field in which to play. :D

I'll see what i can post up tomorrow. as for now i'm off to Ren Fair!!! yaayyy!! :D

[Rocket37]

A western Horror sounds great!! its different than anything weve done!!! it has a lot of artistic challenges... besides how could you go wrong with the old west and ghosts/monsters etc..?:D

[banshee]

For Ben and ielle to browse over:
http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60211
The thread of fame should give us easy reference.
I think there's a western one but no horror if I remember correctly...

Zombies fest!

[xadrian]

Western horror sounds fun. If there isn't already a script, maybe a regular Writers Lab contributor could write up a 6-10 pager.

[banshee]

hmmmmmm... let me set something up then..

http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?p=731916#post731916

[xadrian]

I think either ITD's or CW's would make a fine choice.

[banshee]

Will let ielle decide :)

[CWmax]

I posted another Story Here today.....

BLACK SANDS

http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?p=731916#post731916

LMKWYT....

CW

[ielle77]

oh sure make me decide... oh wait that's my job. lol. ok, well i'll look them over tonight if i get a chance otherwise it's looking like the weekend. I'm swamped just right now. :D

[ielle77]

i donno why but i can't find the link to itd's script.

just finished reading cw's stuff but i need to read itd's before i decide.

I donno why but so far nothing is peeking my interest (absolutely NO offense intended CW, i like your style of writing, just those plots aren't quite catching me just yet, but that's just me).

My brain just isn't into this yet. we need something... i donno... more? I can't put my finger on it. I'd really like to see more of spin on the a western horror idea.

My mind keeps falling back on the the old modern pirate story we did in the writing contest (blame pirate weekend lol). where we put a spin on the pirate story bringing it slightly more up to date. I donno why but something like that added to the western horror seems neat to me.

Not nesssarily a full out modernization but perhaps a jules verne early sci-fi western horror. Too much? These ideas are just pouring out, so stop me if i've lost it or if i'm hitting on something that could be developed.

Eh, maybe its all the adam ant videos i've been watching, but i keep picturing a punked out cowboy/native american

http://www.labelfreak.com/images/adam_ant_2.JPG
Lol ok, yeah perhaps i should turn the youtube off. It's warping my head.

but here was what was running through my mind when you all said haunted western:

Why must we go down the stereotypical cowboy/miner road (or the true hollywood cowboy road). Pehaps something more DEAD MAN (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112817/)(yes the crazy johnny depp movie) would be more intriguing? Obviously not that story (which is just ODD BTW). But something where our character has this strange otherworldliness to him already.

http://www.pandorafilm.com/produktion/movies/dead-man/dead-man_9.jpg

A native american living in the white man's world looking all crazy. Not sure where to run with that. CW, think you can come up with anything similar to that? better yet anyone else on this page with me or am i off in left field again?

Also what's our page limit on this guys? I was thinking 10 or 11. Is that too much?

[CWmax]

How about a cowboy that meets a killer-robot truck driver from the future, that's travelled back in time to save his best friend.....Did I mention that his best friend is a pie?

C'mon You CAN'T lose the Pie! The Pie's the Heart of the story!

[banshee]

LOL LOL ... were u hungry for pie when u wrote it chris? muahhahaa...

oooh, does it have a floating mirror in it? And does he wear a bad disguise?

[ielle77]

:p Fine i get the hint. I'll shut up now

Any other last minute scripts before i decide? (still looking for that link to itd's stuff). thanks :o

[IronSyndicate]

Hold up!

I'm working on something, should be done soon, I'm half-way through it... It's.... interesting.

[ielle77]

You got it. I want to be fair. Lets say....
hmmm

NEXT FRIDAY EVERYBODY!

i shall make my choice then.

What am i looking for??

Well 1st and formost a WESTERN HORROR STORY
page length 6-10 (or 11 i'll take) pages

What i'm not interested in: Your typical hollywood cowboy on the range (gene autry, john wayne, jimmy stewert) or even a clint eastwood wannabe (as much as i love clint...mmm speghetti ;) )

try to avoid the cliches of horror too.

I know i don't ask for much do i?

really want to wow me, if you can pull it off i'd love to see a native america living not as a savage but rather half in/half out of the white man's world. (i've already talked about that below). If you can offer a character similar to that and then make it horror... sweetness! If you can't, eh well whatever just give us your best :o

Good luck all.

[IronSyndicate]

http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69966

Well, it's definitley not "Your typical hollywood cowboy on the range (gene autry, john wayne, jimmy stewert) or even a clint eastwood wannabe"

[CWmax]

What am i looking for??

Well 1st and formost a WESTERN HORROR STORY
page length 6-10 (or 11 i'll take) pages

What i'm not interested in: Your typical hollywood cowboy on the range (gene autry, john wayne, jimmy stewert) or even a clint eastwood wannabe (as much as i love clint...mmm speghetti ;) )

try to avoid the cliches of horror too.

I know i don't ask for much do i?

really want to wow me, if you can pull it off i'd love to see a native america living not as a savage but rather half in/half out of the white man's world. (i've already talked about that below). If you can offer a character similar to that and then make it horror... sweetness! If you can't, eh well whatever just give us your best :o

Good luck all.


uhhhh---don't you think you should have had this conversation here prior to posting a request for a Western Horror Script and then maybe posted this in the solicitaion for writers?

I mean - The request was for a "western horror script"- Not a western horror script , that's not a western, doesn't have cowboys or western conventions, and is kinda like a revised pirate story with sci-fi elements and features Adam Ant and Johnny Depp....

See if you had posted that - I wouldn't have wasted my and your time writing a typical "EC/Wierd Western Tales" horror comic story- Which is kinda what I think of when I see a solicitation for a 'western horror script" on a comic art board.

It seems you want someone to write a particular story that you already have in mind....If so, change the title of the Solicitation from "Western Horror Script" to "Write My Story".



CW

[ielle77]

We're still looking for a western. Westerns aren't just cowboys, they can be native americans too (cowboys and indians anyone?). But as for the pirate punk Depp Ant like thing i've soooo taken that back. I mean that was 3 posts ago i just tossed the idea out there saying it was kinda toying with me, i mean to infer that THAT was what we were looking for. I tossed it out as an idea, and when no one jumped at that i took it off the table. (did you read the post AFTER THAT where i said, ok i get the hint nevermind i'll read over what we got).

As for my PREVIOUS POST (the one where i said how many pages we're looking for and so on) I apparently mispoke or confused everyone er whatever. I'm good like that. What i meant was that it would be nice not to fall into all the conventions of a typical rancher cowboy (i.e johnwayne) or some guy running around in poncho acting all tough hombre. I worded it poorly. I've since re-read it and realized that. Sorry.

When i said lets try not stick too close to conventions i mean: lets go more on the horror less on the western. Again it's worded badly, sorry so Lets try again: Have it be a horror story that just happens to be set in the wild west.

And as for me mentioning the native america idea again, i tossed it out there as an idea for someone. They can either do it or don't. I said i would be wowed by it, and I WILL be. OBVIOUSLY If a kick butt script surfaces that has nothing to do with that then awesome (which is more than likely what will happen) then great lets do that. I'm not going to deny it because it doesn't fit exactly what i'm seeing in my own head. That would be stupid. But if one appears that has similar elements then that would be awesome too.

Sorry to imply that someone had to write a certain story for me. Geesh. Just thought it would be fun to toss out a few ideas, that's all. :(

[CWmax]

Heh-

That's cool jelle- I actually have nothing against your ideas or input--That stuff WOULD make an interesting project!....It's just that you seem to have some very specific ideas about what this "Western Horror Script" should be, so maybe it would have been helpful to inlude these concepts in the solicitation on the board...Then when it came time to choose one you wouldn't have to say "Well, Thanks Everyone - But these responses to a very general request don't fit into the very specific vision I have for this story ...So maybe you all could try writing something like this..."

And I was just being a dick on purpose when I listed Pirates and Adam Ant. (Antmusic for Antpeople!)

But I was just suggesting (in an A-Hole kinda way) that it would be best to thoroughly hash out the ideas this thread BEFORE posting a solicition on the board. Then when folks respond you could get more the kinda story you want in the end.

CW

[ielle77]

yeah that was a boo boo on my part. i should of remembered that banshee had put up a solicitation thread. And i did put something on the contest 14 site, but i think i linked it to here so i just figured folks would read what we were talking about on this board. Eh, water under the bridge. It is my first fusion jam i donno what the hell i'm doing lol. Oh wait, i'm not suppose to admit that :rolleyes:

anyway, sorry bout that :( :o

[banshee]

LOL Ahhh.. the chaos Im familiar with..

all will be sorted :)

[ielle77]

good thing i love choas lol. :rolleyes:

anyway i'm sticking to my next friday deadline folks. i shall decide then :eek: :o

[xadrian]

Actually, it's my fault if you want to blame anyone. I knew ielle would have a lot of energy to do something like this and I sort of dropped it on her without really explaining how I usually did it.

My bad.

I think there should be a halt on solicitation at this point. There are enough scripts to pick from, anymore work and this becomes its own Western Horror Contest Part Deux. What say we wrap on the discussion, have ielle pick a script, then we'll start an official jam thread in which we can actually work the script we have.

Remember, this is just the first part, there's 3 months of trying to find all those volunteers that bailed on you after this.

[ielle77]

ok sounds good, well then i guess i'll decide monday (this weekend is shot for me).

and um, i still can't find itd's script's link. have i gone blind now too?? lol. :eek: :D

[jayvee]

Noooooo!

I'm working on one!

It will be done tomorrow!

*sighs*

*gasps*

*dies*

[ielle77]

Noooooo!

I'm working on one!

It will be done tomorrow!

*sighs*

*gasps*

*dies*

*bursts out laughing* :D

hurry hurry. tomorrow is IT (I'm collecting them all at my dinner time.. that's 6pm est) dun dun da DUN! :eek: ;)

[banshee]

All ritey then. I'll close off the solicitation threads.

[jayvee]

As promised!

http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70012

[ielle77]

it's been one hell of a decision. I seriously honestly was tied and even asked Xadrian for some help... lol he also agreed that both scripts were very good and hard to choose from,

Anyway, I think we should go with jayvee's last minute entry "Howlers". Congrats Jayvee (way to sneak that in there last minute lol).

Here's my reasoning for choosing this script:

there seems to be a lot of action that might draw more folks in to work on the project. I think with the right character design and colorist this could really look like a dark moody western horror piece :D

And while the other scripts were also interesting a lot of the the pacing seemed slower and less "on screen" action and more suspenseful (which is good don't get me wrong). But i think we have more we can work with here (Yup jayvee the next step is rewrites lol. Time to polish the dialogue (that's probably going to be your biggest overhaul) and mend the ending a bit, but we'll talk about that later).

I know some may not think werewolves qualify as horror but rather just a monster movie, but i decided that they do simply because a) the king of horror Stephen King has written about them and they are still located inthe horror section of most bookstores and b)while working for blockbuster back in my college days i KNOW we put all the werewolf stuff in the horror section.

Anyway thanks everybody for participating and sorry for any confusion that may have arose along the way. Hope you won't all run off on us if you were not chose but rather stick around and help us beef up this script so we can have a really awesome fusion jam! :D

[banshee]

interesting.. should be a good project :)

[jayvee]

One word: Awesome!

This will be a great learning experience for me.

[ielle77]

k we're at the character design and development stage for this. Anyone interested in trying to get their design picked? Come on over to: http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70184 and have at it :D

tell your friends, bring your family ;)
Gee, can you tell i'm excited to get this started?? lol.

[banshee]

How is it coming along actually? I hvnt checked in for ages LOL

[G-man_2000]

I’m wondering if we can get a vote started, I got 5 good ideas off the top of my head. Maybe we can get something started by summer time.

[xadrian]

G-man, I need to have a bit of time to clean this place up. There's a lot that needs to be just flat out axed, this thread included. I'd like to put in a mini-FAQ and change the layout a bit to make it easier.

The thing is, technically the Community Projects are anything that is worked on collaboratively, doesn't really include the jamborees or sketch groups, but we seem to attract any kind of project that goes on here.

Give me a little while longer to get things in order. I'd like to jump into running the jams again so hold on to your ideas for the time being and when we give it a reboot I'll get with you on what you have.

Sound good?

[Justice41]

I gave up on these Jams. Last one did it for me.

[G-man_2000]

No problem xadrian. The sketch group’s thing sounds great. Some thing like a 30 min comic sketch on line paper is something I been playing around with for some time and I think other people would like something like that to.

Justice41 don’t be so down on the Jams. Your already forgetting how well the James bond Jam went? With a good topic and good management people will come. Get the ball rolling and keep it rolling with a good Rhythm.

[Ugga Bugga]

Time for a Fusion Jam?

[Ugga Bugga]

Okay Now? Time for a Fusion Jam?

[xadrian]

Maybe.

I'm not COMPLETELY loaded down with stuff to do.

[Ugga Bugga]

I'll help run one, (because I'm a masochist)

[Ugga Bugga]

We really ought to get a jam going.

[Ugga Bugga]

Okay, the Spiderman vs Joker vs Arcade jam is up and running.

J. Alexopoulos is now being commissioned to write the next jam. Can we throw out some ideas here, so that he can get working on the script, and it can be ready when we are finished S v J v A

[Ugga Bugga]

airbrush41 had suggested wolverine vs, alien in underground manhattan, with the Power Pack thrown in for good measure

[023750260iRock]

I have a superhero comic project , so how can I post on Community Project , do I have to send it to Mod first ?
Thank you .

[scmarooney]

I have a superhero comic project , so how can I post on Community Project , do I have to send it to Mod first ?
Thank you .

If you have a comic project you would like to publish or want to do as a webcomic and are looking to attract writers, artists, inkers, colorists, etc. You would want to probably post up your proposal in the Bulletin Board section of PecilJack. Here is the link to the Bulletin Board section of PJ: http://www.penciljack.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?87-Bulletin-Board

A comic-jam type proposal has been done in the past in the Community Projects area (with mixed success) and usually involves participants signing up to draw or ink or color one page in a story that is 10-15 pages in length. If that is your intent you can PM me with the details and I would be happy to take a look at it. Here is a link to a past fusion-jam type activity: http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?111756-Fusion-Jam-an-original-origin-story

[023750260iRock]

If you have a comic project you would like to publish or want to do as a webcomic and are looking to attract writers, artists, inkers, colorists, etc. You would want to probably post up your proposal in the Bulletin Board section of PecilJack. Here is the link to the Bulletin Board section of PJ: http://www.penciljack.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?87-Bulletin-Board

A comic-jam type proposal has been done in the past in the Community Projects area (with mixed success) and usually involves participants signing up to draw or ink or color one page in a story that is 10-15 pages in length. If that is your intent you can PM me with the details and I would be happy to take a look at it. Here is a link to a past fusion-jam type activity: http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?111756-Fusion-Jam-an-original-origin-story

Thank you !!!

[023750260iRock]

If you have a comic project you would like to publish or want to do as a webcomic and are looking to attract writers, artists, inkers, colorists, etc. You would want to probably post up your proposal in the Bulletin Board section of PecilJack. Here is the link to the Bulletin Board section of PJ: http://www.penciljack.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?87-Bulletin-Board

A comic-jam type proposal has been done in the past in the Community Projects area (with mixed success) and usually involves participants signing up to draw or ink or color one page in a story that is 10-15 pages in length. If that is your intent you can PM me with the details and I would be happy to take a look at it. Here is a link to a past fusion-jam type activity: http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?111756-Fusion-Jam-an-original-origin-story

I see you wrote " 10 - 15 pages " , it really not enought for me . I'll my project on Bulletin board , and I hope you tell me what do you think about my superhero comic project