Calling all Tim Sale fans. . .

[DeForgeo]

I know I'm not the only Tim Sale fan here, right? (Muthman, I'm looking at you. . . )

Because I don't want to mention any names or anything (*coughSTEAMPUNKcough*) but a certain "friend" of mine told me he sucks.

Well, I told him he was a big, fat stupid head. So essentially, I started this thread to get other people to tell him what a stupid head he was as well.

So come on, who else digs Tim Sale's art? Anyone reading Spiderman: Blue right now? Any thoughts on his Batman work? Superman? Daredevil? Come on, don't be shy. . .

[Steampunk]

Originally posted by DeForgeo

Because I don't want to mention any names or anything (*coughSTEAMPUNKcough*) but a certain "friend" of mine told me he sucks.


ok, to be fair, i didn't say he sucks, i just said i thought his artwork was a steaming pile of ass ;)

i was going to do this elaborate thing where i would register as "tim sale" or something and post a reply admitting how bad "my" art was ;) meh, oh well...

my case: sale may be a great storyteller, but his art is mostly sloppy looking, and, this is totally MY opinion here, his figures make me ill (similar effect as frank quitely and others...i just find that their style is, for lack of a better word *disgusting*)

i'll mention two of the examples dee showed me, one was from dark victory or something, with this image of batman jumping into scarecrow's lab...i couldn't get past the horrible anatomy (and this can't even be chalked up to style, because it wasn't consistant...one arm was longer than the other where it met the torso, stuff like that)) and the other was some image of a crime scene...i admitted this one was cool and moody, but his inks just arent' for me, and all the faces looked like grotesque monsters...so, um yeah, carry on :P

[bushiboy]

When he drew the relaunch of "Challengers of the Unknown", I thought he sucked big time. After his Batman stuff though, I really got into his art.

[muthmaniac]

I don't know what you're talking about. I think Tim Sale blows....



















Seriously.

[Exiter]

Ive really tried to like Sale but i just dont get it
Its like really really really bad Frank Miller

[muthmaniac]

You people are all obviously insane....Tim Sale is/could be the new Jack Kirby. His work crackles with energy and excitement! I love his work, and think that he is probably one of the best, and most consistent artists, not to mention designers, working in the field today!

I don't understand how people can NOT like his work. He gets flashes of Frank Miller, but for the most part, I don't see the connection. He's like the Al Hirschfield of comics! He knows where and how to exaggerate the character's forms and most of his stuff takes. my. breath. away!


*Hope that works better for ya Forge!*

I give you people, nay, Heretics, this:
http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dc122002/big/DetectiveComicsCvr777.jpg
http://161.58.84.234/Marvel/HulkGray.jpg
http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?90542,spiderman_blue,03.jpg
*I would have gotten more, but Google went to pot on me...*

[DeForgeo]

That worked fine, Muth. :)

I honestly don't see why people constantly compare him to Frank Miller. Outside of his Deathblow and Batman work, I hardly see any Miller in his art at all. In fact, I've always found his Batman to be more Neal Adams-inspired than Frank Miller.

He alters his style so drastically from character to character that it's imossible to say he's ripping off any one artist.

He gave Superman: For All Seasons a Norman Rockwell feel to it.

He used a murky inkwash technique for Daredevil: Yellow.

He's been chanelling John Romita in Spiderman: Blue.

And as for his "grotesque" characters, I beg to differ. . . He draws the hottest Mary Jane in years. :D

[Bruce]

As much of a reat talent as I think he is I need a story with his work.
cant talk more on how much I loved his batman but his marvel work i could care less about. It is really nice but if the story doesn't force him to do anything new then he just rehashed teh same layouts. I want him on a project that he cares about. something to make him shine.

Loeb had mentioned in an interview that he wants tim and him to do a shadow story some time.
That would be amazing. Tim Sale is a strong period artist and I cant think of anyone better to work on that title!

[Popninja]

I can understand people having issues with Tim Sale's work. After all, everyone has a different view, but for the life of me I can't understand how anyone can deny that the man has a lot of talent.

I've been following Sale's work since Deathblow. My personal favorite Sale work is Superman:For All Seasons. Awesome stuff.

If anything at all, I would have to say that my only problem with Sale is that he won't work with anyone other than Jeph Loeb.

Damn, that grey Hulk is off the hizzook.

[Finnegan]

this dude was a total d!ck to me one year at a con.... needlessly so... so i could give a rats ass about him.


=FINN=

[Carter]

I read Long Halloween last Sunday, and it took me a while to get into it, but I guess I'm a fan now. But his art is still pretty damn ugly in that Frank Miller kinda way.

--Carter--

[Steampunk]

ok, so that hulk looks pretty good (but then again, *grotesque* works for hulk :P )

but muth, that batman really doesn't help your case...i can *tollerate* the body, but that face? good god

i think my problem is that i seem to think i could do better work than sale...like i said, he's probably a master storyteller...but i honstly can't see a single good thing about his art (ok, a *single* thing is that he uses a lot of black, which is cool to me, but those washes are really quite...argh...nevermind, must leave thread before i throw up again :P )

[muthmaniac]

you're Canadian...






















:)
*deforgeo, is just a displaced American, which is why he is not within my scope of ridicule...plus he drew (http://muthmedia.com/seven_nights.gif) my characters, from my story! Just in case you try and throw him being Canadian in my face as well.*

[DeForgeo]

If anything at all, I would have to say that my only problem with Sale is that he won't work with anyone other than Jeph Loeb.

For the record, he's drawn stories for Matt Wagner, Joss Whedon, Diana Schutz, James Robinson and Steven Seagle in the past. :)

[DrVictorVonDoom]

Sale's not my favorite artist by any stretch, but I love how his work looks. He's one of the artists whose abstraction "works" for me - it's not anatomically correct, but it's expressive and emotive and so it doesn't need to be.

[Popninja]

Wow, Sale did some Buffy stuff, huh?

Where the hell was I?

[Popninja]

Originally posted by Finnegan
this dude was a total d!ck to me one year at a con.... needlessly so... so i could give a rats ass about him.

That sucks. It sucks even more if you really admire their work. I ran into Geof Darrow one year, and I had always been a strong admirer. He was the biggest frickin' D!CK in the world. It shattered me. They shouldn't be at the con if they're going to be like that.

[DeForgeo]

Wow, Sale did some Buffy stuff, huh?

Where the hell was I?

Psst! (http://www.darkhorse.com/products/pg_profile/sku_11001/sec_search/index.html)

[Steampunk]

Originally posted by DeForgeo


For the record, he's drawn stories for Matt Wagner, Joss Whedon, Diana Schutz, James Robinson and Steven Seagle in the past. :)

in the past, yeah...how recent were these? several years back, i'd imagine (not sure about that buffy though)...seems the forseeable future includes loeb and sale on "marvel character:colour"

[DeForgeo]

in the past, yeah...how recent were these? several years back, i'd imagine (not sure about that buffy though)...seems the forseeable future includes loeb and sale on "marvel character:colour"

Well, you have a point. Most of those were from a few years back (except for the Buffy one, which was released March.)

But you know what? It doesn't really matter to me. The Loeb/Sale collaborations have always been top quality. . . The two just work perfectly together. Sort of like Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon, Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams or even Stan Lee and Jack Kirby (heheh), they make great writer/artist team.

But hey, each to their own, and all that jazz. You have a right to your own opinion. . .






. . . Even if you're still a big, fat stupid head. :)

[muthmaniac]

Originally posted by DeForgeo

. . . Even if you're still a big, fat stupid head. :)

and Canadian....

:) Heh, that joke never gets old....





*Okay, I won't do it again.*

[Terminator X]

IMO, Tim Sale is one of the best artists around, the best mainstream artist around, and definitely the best Batman artist EVER. his long halloween stuff are by far my favorite comic book art pieces EVER. he is untouchable.