The controversy surrounding Jon Malin......

[FIG]

.......maybe I was absent on the day Jon Malin became a controversy but could somebody please fill me in? What the heck happened or what did he do that makes everyone seems to bring him up?-Everywhere I go, its Jon Malin this and Jon Malin that. Like Jerry Seinfeld would say, "What is, the deal?"

[Morganza]

They'll close this thread before you know it.

[FIG]

Why, what the heck did I do?-You make the mods sound like the KGB. Fine, if what you say is true could somebody PLEASE send me a private message and fill me in?-That way I don't start trouble, thats the last thing I want.:confused:

[Y2Jenn]

Go to the CM chatroom and ask Jon for yourself. Better explained there than in here. Ugly story. And morg's right. Mods'll get this before too long. >_<

[Spidey]

Wasnt he a member here? What happened to him?
CM... ComicMatrix? Their chatrooms' still up? whats the link?

[FIG]

yes, provide us with a link so we don't start any trouble here but do it before the mods close this thread. Snap to it Jenn;)

[Inkthinker]

Actually, some of the mods don't know either... like me. I have no idea what the deal is with that guy, he'd either from before my time (and I've been here a year) or else I blinked and missed some sort of thing...

Anyhow, I can't speak for the others, but I'm not going to stop you guys from discussing anything you want, so long as people stay civil about it...

[Devilman]

are you serious? he was popular? WHat do you mean what happened to him? I haven't heard anything about him. But, that's probably because i converse mostly with heterosexual types.

[FIG]

I never said he was popular Juan but what I did ask is whyt people mention him like something serious happened. I'm just curious about the whole situation, okay?-I want to know what happened, thats all. Don't mean to start trouble, puta.-Just kidding Juan.:D

[DEVin]

Originally posted by Devilman
But, that's probably because i converse mostly with heterosexual types.
Oh, is that why you have yourself added to your buddylist and start conversations with yourself?


((DEVin!))

[Inkthinker]

Hey!! I said civil, for crying out loud! Yeesh!!

[FIG]

Its okay, we all know Juan is insecure about his sexuality and hes joking. Juan, just don't hit me with your purse and we won't have to throw down.;mrt;

[penciljack]

I'll tell you exactly what happened. But it'll take a few minutes. The first part really has nothing to do with why Malin was banned, but if I don't mention it, someone or other will complain that I'm being "biased," even though the event had no bearing on the situation whatsoever. But here, for the sake of completeness, is the whole sordid affair:

First, Jon Malin and Tropical Cowboy got into a spat over in the Funkotron Forum, which was a continuation of a spat that happened at Digital Webbing. Now, some folks would have you believe Malin was a saint during all that, and would claim that all of Funkotron attacked him, but he gave as good as he got, as I understand it.

That thread was closed, and no members were reprimanded or banned or any such. We all understand that arguments happen. The thread was closed, that should have been the end of the story.

A while later, in a SuperPatriot Duel in the Arena, Malin decided he was going to harass Chris Piers for no apparent reason. I contacted Malin and asked him to stop, several times over three days, I think. He ignored my requests, and continued with the harassment. Ergo, he was banned. It's really quite simple.

It's one thing to snipe at other members. It's another thing to continue doing so when you've been repeatedly asked to stop. I don't think anybody here would like to be subjected to the things Malin said.

The reason you keep seeing his name brought up is because some folks think it's cute and are just trying to get my goat.

[FIG]

aha.......thanks for the info and my curiosity is now satisfied. I was just curious because like Inkthinker I blinked and missed this whole situation.

[Inkthinker]

Ahhh... okay, now I understand. I feel much better, gracias.

[TheFightingFoetus]

The reason you keep seeing his name brought up is because some folks think it's cute and are just trying to get my goat.

But you have the sexiest blue-ribbon goat!:D I hear he runs fast though...

[red7ine]

Originally posted by penciljack


The reason you keep seeing his name brought up is because some folks think it's cute and are just trying to get my goat.

I don't know Malin, never 'talked' to him on PJ, as far as I can remember i can barely remember any pics he had posted. Perhaps he was 'before my time' (or BPJ as I mark the New Holy Calendars now)

However, after catching up on the way everyone either treats him with awe or venom, I think it is freakin hilarious that this dude got banned from here. I think it is funny that both pro-Malin and anti-Malin members get their panties in a twist whenever his name is mentioned in a thread.

That's why, whenever a post comes up saying that a member is 'back' after an extended time away from PJ, I make a point to ask if they are Malin. I just think it is cute.

vaught

oh, and don't any of you bastards try to steal that, either!

[Carter]

w00t! Vote Goat!

It's not so much to piss PJ off as it is to make fun of Malin. At least for me.

--Carter--

[Steampunk]

Originally posted by DEVin

Oh, is that why you have yourself added to your buddylist and start conversations with yourself?
somehow i ended up on my own buddy list...i don't know how it happened...but it's kinda helpful to let me know if i'm actually connected and i don't see anyone else on ;)

as for malin, i thought he was a talented guy with a cool style...but i have no idea why he decided to cut down chris for no reason...maybe it had something to do with the battle in funkotron's forum (forgot about that...and why hasn't TCB been around much? :P )

i mean, he made it seem like chris was the devil because he read/enjoyed battle pope...i guess if that's the way he wanted to treat funk-fans, it's best he doesn't post here anymore, because there sure are a lot of us ;)

[TheFightingFoetus]

Didn't this just happen a couple of months ago?

I could swear I saw Malin's art on here just 2 or 3 months ago...

[Phil Clark]

No, it was well over a year ago. The art you saw was posted by someone else, and was deleted since the rules of penciljack are quite clear. You can only post your own art for critique, not someone elses art. Some people have been posting their inking and coloring of Malins art, and that is fine, since they inked and/or colored it.

But really, it is ancient history. Life goes on, and so does the penciljack forums.

[Juan]

Ladies and gentlemen if you want to know who Jon Malin is just go over to Digital Webbings boards and I'm sure you'll soon find him. He's on there everywhere. And sure he can be an ass just like we all can...so dont say I didnt warn ya.

:D

-Juan

[FIG]

Don't worry, I'm not that interested in what he has to say, it was just a question I had about why people seem to keep bringing him up, thats all. At the time of the controversy(which seems to have been a year ago) I was still in college so I had little free time to spend here but the situations changed. Anyways thanks for the info everybody.:)

[Spidey]

Wow, really? An year ago? I thought it was more recent, cuz I remember critiquing one of his Daredevil pics, it was actually pretty good. So it was kinda like the Frazzetta incident huh?
Im guessing he aint gonna be the last guy get banned for misconduct from PJ.

[bushiboy]

It is not a Malin controvercy. It's a CONSPIRACY! Terry lies. LIES!! (looks carefully around) Trust no one!!(dundun duuuuunnnn!)

And it's not in my sig to harass anyone, I do that with my words(Fear my words, the words that I am typing!).

I'm working on a script for a TV show about a loner/rebel comics-drawin' maverick who takes on the corrupt communinty that created him,... from the SOULS of the DAMNED!!!

[Spidey]

Can I be a star playe rin the corrupt community's cast?
Even though I really never met Jon.
Your gonna have to change my name though, maybe something like Spy-D.

[Devilman]

damn, PJ. You've immortalized him. Now he's like Kaizer Sorzey (s;p).



And FIG, did you see that episode of Malcom in the Middle where Dooey carried a purse? Some kids ended up making fun of him and he knocked the kid out with one swing of it. Turns out, he had a freaking brick in it the whole time. ;) Just an interesting story I like to tell sometimes.


Devin, that had to be the lamest ever. You'd better watch your step or I'll tell your mom your secret and help her find all that underwear that's coming up missing.

[bushiboy]

I think it's "Soje". Something exotic like.

[NotMalin]

Originally posted by FIG
Don't worry, I'm not that interested in what he has to say

Don't like to hear both sides of the story, only the PJ side? You'll fit right in here.

Malin was banned around May of 2002, not nearly a year.
Get out more guys.


Malin said that PJ never sent any private messages, the first time he heard about any PM's was when it was mentioned to Morg; after PJ deleted Jon's PM folders and after he was banned(all of this happened in the same couple of hours by the way), Morgan remembers it well.

That's why he's so famous around here cause some people know he got the shaft when he acted no worse then half the people in here and was banned because people still had a hair up the rear about the Funk thread and were tight with PJ, so he (According to Malin's side of the story) scratched their backs.

Oh, the whole Funk argument began because Tropical Cowboy posted art over at Digital Webbing for critique and he didn't like Malin's critque so he copied and pasted the thread over into the Funk forums(The art was for a Funk project that he posted) without letting Malin know and they continued to discuss the argument, now about how Malin is an ass, over their for about 2 days til Malin was linked to it by an outside person, he was then rightly upset that Tropical carried the conversation in secret into an area where he knew if Malin found it he would get pounced on by the Funk fans....oh, and he did. Including members such as.......probably best not to list names, don't want to get banned.

Anyways, that's both sides, now your able to come to an educated decision.

[Bruce Lee]

Malin. Never knew him, nor saw any of his work as far as I can remember. Am I tired of hearing about Malin? YES. Water under the f@$king bridge, people. Everyone makes mistakes. Whether Malin made 'em or PJ or whoever--I could honestly care less. This horse has been beat to death, resurrected numberous times and whipped again. Spank it, slap it, or mop it up, folks. Just get over it already. Ancient history.

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

[FIG]

Devilman > Thats funny, but i have a metal plate in my head so all I would do is scratch my head a little.;) Malcom in the middle is hilarious.

NotMalin > Look, I was curious about the incident, but if that means some people are going to drag this on then forget it. As for your little comment, I go to about 8-9 other forums so this isn't my only 'hangout' but I do happen to really like it here a) because of the camraderie, talent, and b) because I respect the opinions of the owner since this is his forum and it is a courtesy. If I was involved in the drama I might still remember something like this but since I'm not I just wanted a summary and I got it from pclark. If that doesn't suit you thats your tough luck, go cry a river somewhere else. As for whos fault it was, I really don't care because it all depends on perspective. It was a question, now its answered, move on sucka;mrt;

[Morganza]

Here's another note: The Funk O Tron Malin bashing went on for 7 pages before Malin ever responded, how would you feel if a group of people bashed you on a thread for days (mods included), the fact that it was left up there as long as it was says alot about the people involved.

Although Malin could have handled it better, it's no wonder he was pissed off at certain people, now lets let the healing begin and reinstate Malins membership!

[Terminator X]

how would you fell [feel] if a group of people bashed you on a thread for days

were they bashing his art, or his character?

if it was his art, then i'm sure he feels a lot like Rob Liefeld does. and no ones very sympathetic towards that guy, now are they.

[Bruce Lee]

I refuse to bash Rob Liefield, even though I don't enjoy his artwork. There's too much bashing in comics already, so why bash anyone? It's childish and only lowers the medium.

As I understand it, Rob is fairly wealthy, genuinely loves comics and has been a bigger success than 99% of anyone ever to grace the industry. I never liked his artwork, nor bought a single book he ever drew, but I have to respect his enthusiasm, if nothing else.

I just don't see the point to that or to the Malin threads. They won't change anything. Malin isn't going to be reinstated, Morg. He's gone. He's toast. He's history. It's all history. ANCIENT history. Let it go and move on. Badgering won't earn you points with PJ, bring Malin back, or anything else. Spare the rest of us.

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

[Morganza]

They were bashing his character because of a critique he gave another member.

[Morganza]

I'm sorry you feel so inflamed about posting my opinion on the matter Loston. The reinstate Malin line was a joke son, you missed it!

[Bruce Lee]

Originally posted by Morganza
I'm sorry you feel so inflamed about posting my opinion on the matter Loston. The reinstate Malin line was a joke son, you missed it!

Often in simple text form, jokes are not often distinguishable as such. I don't feel "inflamed" about the matter. I feel more like there's little point to be made. You've stated your feelings at least a dozen times already, right?

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

[Morganza]

Originally posted by Bruce Lee


Often in simple text form, jokes are not often distinguishable as such. I don't feel "inflamed" about the matter. I feel more like there's little point to be made. You've stated your feelings at least a dozen times already, right?

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

So you feel i should be silent in a public forum in regards to my friend Malin? I feel his being banned was wrong, Fig wanted to know PJ told his side and i told my little footnotes he left out.

It seems you don't want to know who Malin is and could care less but he is my friend and i stand up for my friends and will continue to do so even if it knocks down my PJ points.

[Bruce Lee]

Guess I just don't see the point, Morg? You've made all your points before, and have done so again here. You feel your buddy got shafted. Got that. I suppose I'm just seeing this as a rehashing of an old arguement that neither side can alter at this point. It's a dead issue.

I'm not trying to harass you, nor am I trying to provoke you. I have nothing personal against you either. I'm only asking that you and everyone else (either side of the arguement) to please move on. Please.

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

[Morganza]

If your so adamant about this, then just close the thread, nobody wants to hear about it anymore anyway right?

[Jokoso]

so anyway...I like to draw...:p

[BenitoCereno]

This thread sucks.

[Morganza]

Malin sucks!

[Bruce]

I had the same dream that i have had since i was 5 last night.
I'm walking down a street in london and two people I know are across the street eating ice cream.
I try to get to them by calling out to them and then I try to run down the street to catch up to them.
Then...
out of nowhere.....
kermit sticks this big STOP sign infront of my face and everyone that has ever stared on the muppets show or any other jim henson creation walkes infront of me. I have to wait for everything to cross the street while kermit blows on his whistle.

He tells me they are going on a picnic

I laugh but am upset at my friends walking away

[dfbovey]

Anna Nichole Smith is fat.

[Joel Harris]

lmao, Dave.

[Morganza]

Originally posted by Bruce
I had the same dream that i have had since i was 5 last night.
I'm walking down a street in london and two people I know are across the street eating ice cream.
I try to get to them by calling out to them and then I try to run down the street to catch up to them.
Then...
out of nowhere.....
kermit sticks this big STOP sign infront of my face and everyone that has ever stared on the muppets show or any other jim henson creation walkes infront of me. I have to wait for everything to cross the street while kermit blows on his whistle.

Then Kermit looks at me with a blank stare and says, "There's room for one more honey", thats when i wake up screaming.

[penciljack]

Those who've been paying attention will note that I said the thread in the Funkotron forum had nothing to do with Malin's being banned. They'll also note that some folks consistently try to make it an issue, even when it's not.

The simple fact is, neither Jason Latour (TCB) nor Chris Piers extended the war beyond the thread in question. The only person to have done that was ..... you guessed it ..... Jon Malin. His comments to Chris Piers constituted harassment. I know a bunch of folks around here who would have posted "I'm leaving" threads in announcements if they'd received similar comments to their work. But I digress.

NotMalin, you have misrepresented some of the facts of the issue. To whit:


Don't like to hear both sides of the story, only the PJ side? You'll fit right in here.
Okay, so it's not really part of the issue, but don't you all just love the insults? Says a lot about the motives involved here, doesn't it?


Malin said that PJ never sent any private messages, the first time he heard about any PM's was when it was mentioned to Morg; after PJ deleted Jon's PM folders and after he was banned(all of this happened in the same couple of hours by the way), Morgan remembers it well.
This is just outright wrong. Malin was banned after I tried to contact him over a three day period. In addition, Dave Bovey and others asked Malin to cease the hostilities. He didn't. So he was banned.

It's important to note that Malin's PM files weren't deleted at that point. He himself asked me later to delete his user account. It was only then that his PMs were deleted (because it's part and parcel of the user account). So let me be clear - it was at his own request. Big bad me, right?


That's why he's so famous around here cause some people know he got the shaft when he acted no worse then half the people in here and was banned because people still had a hair up the rear about the Funk thread and were tight with PJ, so he (According to Malin's side of the story) scratched their backs.
Heh - that's funny. He's not "famous" around here. It's only a select few members that even know who he is/was. Devilman is right - the only reason he's really even on the radar is because, like the masochist I must be, I keep responding to these threads, explaining the truth behind the matter, only to be accused of playing favorites or instigating some bizarre conspiracy.

But, again - the reason he was banned is because he was harassing another member, and despite repeated requests to stop, by me as well as others, he persisted. When a member does that, it really doesn't leave me much choice, now does it?

[Ra Havok]

how 'bout this, folks:



We stop talking about Malin.



Because I really don't see what all this polemizing can lead to.
Do you?

[Morganza]

Originally posted by penciljack
But, again - the reason he was banned is because he was harassing another member, and despite repeated requests to stop, by me as well as others, he persisted. When a member does that, it really doesn't leave me much choice, now does it?

I tried to talk to you about this before, wasn't the TC thread bashing Malin harassment? i know it wasn't meant to be but thats what it became. Nobody was banned over it either, i guess because alot of people were involved, and most of them felt jon deserved it.

Yeah these two events are connected, unless you consider harassing someone is different when you feel the person deserves it.

I got the "i'm leaving" reference, whats that have to do with this?

[penciljack]

As I've told you probably five or six times before, Morgan, I wasn't around for that Funkotron thread. When I got back into town, it was already deleted, and I had to find out what happened from second hand sources. From what I could tell, Malin gave every bit as good as he got.

In other words, everybody was involved in the heat of the battle. In case you haven't noticed, flame wars and arguments happen. I'm not going to go about banning everybody who gets involved, because I know tempers flare, and the people that visit this board are creative, and often passionate people. Disagreements and arguments are bound to happen.

Sure, I didn't ban Tropical Cowboy or Chris Piers because of that thread. But you know what? I didn't ban Morganza or Jon Malin either.

I've explained myself publicly several times about this, but it's never enough, apparently.

The truth of the matter is, it's like Loston said. This horse is so dead it's only a collection of dust and bones. Time and again I've been open and honest about this situation, only to be met with ridiculous accusations and often outright lies. I'm seriously near the end of my rope with this.

[Morganza]

But you have yet this to consider...!

What if the horse is a zombie!? What then....uh?

I know you want to ban me PJ, maybe you'll feel better if you did, then i couldn't come back and say what i think anymore. But as time would go on, you would miss me, and regret my banishment. Life wouldn't feel so shiny without my dark clouds looming overhead every once and a while.

I hope your not calling me a liar!!!!! Cause i'll come down on you like John Coffe riding the LIGHTNING if you presume to say such slander!! It'll feel like bee's stinging you, oh so many bee's;dvl;

[penciljack]

I honestly don't want to ban anyone. It's too much of a hassle. I'd be perfectly happy if I never had to ban anyone again. I think a lot of folks would be surprised to see how small the ban list really is.

[Morganza]

Originally posted by penciljack
I think a lot of folks would be surprised to see how small the ban list really is.

Thats why they know them all by name.

I'm still here so i guess you either love me or hate all the banning paperwork. I think it's time we all lighten up.

[Ra Havok]

Originally posted by penciljack
I think a lot of folks would be surprised to see how small the ban list really is.

Less than 100 ???

[dfbovey]

I can only recall two other people getting banned besides Malin since I've been posting here.

[Phil Clark]

At least one of the banned persons was someone who registered an account and started flooding the board with porno spam. And I know first hand how much it eats at terry to even contemplate the B word. This is a forum where the more members we have, the better it is. But some people won't listen to reason. And if they disrupt things enough, well...

The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one.

[Morganza]

Originally posted by pclark

The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one.

Damn your Vulcan logic!

[xadrian]

I think I can guess...

[Terminator X]

BRING BACK CAPTAINMARVELSHAZAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bruce Lee]

Hey, Morg!

Believe it or not, I actually think you're a good Penciljacker. I've never (and still don't) have a thing against you. You're talented, your participation is excellent, and your critiques are quite good. You might recall that you recently gave me some top notch advice concerning my Galactus rough. It's not often that I need help with a piece, but you and a few others really helped me out there, and I'm grateful for that. That's what I believe Penciljack is (and always should be) about. Helping each other out. Not butting heads or dwelling over what happened in the past. The past is over.


Anyway I'm moving on. There's little more for me to say here.

Take it easy,

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

[Joel Harris]

I agree with Loston, Morganza. I always check out the art you post and you're a constructive member of PJ. I have no qualms whatsoever with you. I don't have any grudges with anyone here at PJ. Even Vaught and I cleared up our differences, and it was getting pretty nasty. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw that out because of all the general (or perceived) "mod" problems. I'm automatically lumped in there, being a mod myself, so I thought I'd give my view on it. Each mod is differnet. If we're following an agenda, I must've missed that meeting. :)

[Morganza]

Whoa, Loston and Joel, i'm floored by your words. You made me feel all goofy inside, i hear you and respect you both, nuff said:)

[Kimo]

Originally posted by Joel Harris
If we're following an agenda, I must've missed that meeting. :)

The next meeting is next Saturday, 6:00pm. BYOB

[FIG]

............you make it sound like a friggin crime to just ask a question! And this isn't directed at everyone in here, just that one person I won't name because I don't want this thread to escalate into more of a riot than it already has. All I did was ask a question, is that so much of a crime that all I wanted was a quick summary?-It's like before seeing a movie, you want a quick synopsis of it because you hear things about it. Same thing hear, I kept hearing people bring it up and since I missed it, I was curious about it. I mean I get that this Jon Malin must be somebodies friend and that he was banned, that he was gang raped by some penciljack members but I really don't care whos at fault because by now the matter is dead, understand? You make it sound like I'm a monster because I just wanted a short version but now I'm even sorry I brought it up. I'd hate to see how you treat strangers in real life who just ask you a question and you give them the third degree. Drop this crap already. To Morganza, I happen to like your work and respect you, I never had anything bad to think about you.:) Can't we all just get along, people?;)

On a sidenote, I'm going to start putting the word 'Jon Malin' in my art threads so I get 63 replies of critiques from now on. I have never in the histroy of my days here at Penciljack had a 7-page thread. NEVER!

[razz007]

You know what I think'll I'll start my own message board just for the sole purpose and enjoyment of banning people.
yup so come on become a member of Raz's mesge board and be banned right after your first post.

I think I'll call it the Bastards message board
catchy

raz

[HMG]

I remember him, just, he did seem to genuinely dislike Chris and vented that sometimes. Obviously too many times for PJ.

Some people seem to have taken it awful bad, as if it had knocked the world of it's axis or something. As for me apathy about sums it up.

He screwed up, he's gone no point bitching about it. The IRS wont give the late fine back just because you whine at them.

[NotMalin]

Originally posted by penciljack
Those who've been paying attention will note that I said the thread in the Funkotron forum had nothing to do with Malin's being banned. They'll also note that some folks consistently try to make it an issue, even when it's not.



For someone who claims he never even seen the thread how can you say so certainly that it had nothing to do with the case against or FOR Malin? Does it ever cross your mind that maybe people feel it had a lot to do with why Malin challenged Piers? You can't prosecute someone til you have all the facts so what this tells me is you acted hastely without trying to find out what was going on.



The simple fact is, neither Jason Latour (TCB) nor Chris Piers extended the war beyond the thread in question. The only person to have done that was ..... you guessed it ..... Jon Malin.




You don't seem to understand that Malin was a victim and was pounced by these guys PencilJack, he then only said that he had planned to enter a drawoff to beat Piers, doesn't sound nearly as bad as what they did to him.


His comments to Chris Piers constituted harassment.


The point of draw offs is to beat an opponent, Malin only said his intentions were to beat Piers (one of the people who jumped him in the Funk forums), yes the war of words escalated when Piers drawing took second place to Bovey, beating Malin, Morganza, and the other contestants, than Malin only let it known that the voting process had become a joke because Piers gained these votes out of the voting members hatred of Malin which stems back to the Funk thread.




NotMalin, you have misrepresented some of the facts of the issue. To whit:


That's funny because I think you have misrepresented the facts, sir.






This is just outright wrong. Malin was banned after I tried to contact him over a three day period. In addition, Dave Bovey and others asked Malin to cease the hostilities. He didn't. So he was banned.


Malin never received one PM from you and he will swear to that.

Bovey warned Malin about verbalizing his intentions to beat Piers in a fair draw off, again the point of a draw off if to beat your opponent, telling them you plan to beat them isn't "warnable" material.


It's important to note that Malin's PM files weren't deleted at that point. He himself asked me later to delete his user account. It was only then that his PMs were deleted (because it's part and parcel of the user account). So let me be clear - it was at his own request. Big bad me, right?


That sir is truth and lie, Malin DID ask you to delete his account because if you didn't then he is counted in the head count as a member til the end of time, which in turn makes it look like PJ has more active members than it does.

But your lie is in the fact that Malin tried to access his PM folder that day to see if he had really missed warnings from the owner of the board, when he tried to get to them he could not because you had removed his access to it. That is the truth and you sir are twisting it.




Heh - that's funny. He's not "famous" around here. It's only a select few members that even know who he is/was. Devilman is right - the only reason he's really even on the radar is because, like the masochist I must be, I keep responding to these threads, explaining the truth behind the matter, only to be accused of playing favorites or instigating some bizarre conspiracy.

The fact that FIG and others are curious as to the Legend of all that is Malin shows an interest among your members, which pretty much means he is a popular topic after all this time call it famous or well known, but call it what it is.

The only "TRUTH" you tell your members is your truth, the one that blurs the facts to justify your biased actions.



But, again - the reason he was banned is because he was harassing another member, and despite repeated requests to stop, by me as well as others, he persisted. [/B]

...and that is your biggest lie, again you never mentioned anything to Malin.





Originally posted by penciljack
As I've told you probably five or six times before, Morgan, I wasn't around for that Funkotron thread. When I got back into town, it was already deleted, and I had to find out what happened from second hand sources. From what I could tell, Malin gave every bit as good as he got.

Let us all try and guess who these second hand sources were, hmmmmm......, and the "fact" you were out of town is highly convienent, but I'll even admit the possibility. If you think Malin's single voice is equivalent to the multiple assaults from all angles was "as good as he got" or equal, then you are way off, it was anything but a fair fight.




In other words, everybody was involved in the heat of the battle. In case you haven't noticed, flame wars and arguments happen. I'm not going to go about banning everybody who gets involved, because I know tempers flare, and the people that visit this board are creative, and often passionate people. Disagreements and arguments are bound to happen.

Sure, "heat of Battle" is ok when TCB did what he did purely to insult, humiliate and discredit MALIN, but not ok when Malin simply told Piers he planned to beat him, in a draw off, in....get this....a CHALLEGE FORUM, for shame on malin, that evil NAZI!

So because Malin was forced to defend himself, it justifies the argument, lol, even in a court of law the victim of a gang beating has the right to self defense with punishment going towards the predators!




Sure, I didn't ban Tropical Cowboy or Chris Piers because of that thread. But you know what? I didn't ban Morganza or Jon Malin either.


lol, again, so because he was FORCED to defend himself against attacks he wasn't aware of for 2 days and several pages later,it justifies the argument. So if only Piers would have defended himself "As good as he got" then Malin would not be banned, makes sense, well.......no it doesn't.

Let's get this straight, TCB ambushes Malin by repasting a conversation from Digital Webbing secretly only setting up a hostile enviroment for whem Malin would stumble upon it and gets viciously attacked = ok, no warnings or repremands even after you are aware of what happened during your leave.

Malin tells Piers in a draw off that he intends to beat him in..... a draw off = vicious enough to get "alleged" Multiple warnings from a Web master, leading to bannishment.




I've explained myself publicly several times about this, but it's never enough, apparently.

The truth of the matter is, it's like Loston said. This horse is so dead it's only a collection of dust and bones. Time and again I've been open and honest about this situation, only to be met with ridiculous accusations and often outright lies. I'm seriously near the end of my rope with this. [/B]


Guilt sucks, all you can do to make it end is apologize and reinstate his membership, you wronged a person with having a blind eye and double standard.

If you would have banned TCB and PIERS, Malin never would have had a reason to beat him in a draw off. Even when you became aware of the thread you never offered any apology for what TCB and the rest did, so Malin defended himself the best he could against a whole BUNCH of voices bashing him, if you think that justifies TCB then it is understandable why you do the things you do.

[FIG]

What part of 'This is just a question' do you NOT get, genius? I didn't ask for people like you, who obviously blow things out of proportion, to come into my thread and start a heated arguement. I simply asked a question. Take this elsewhere, like a boxing ring or go get some exercise. Life isn't perfect, its actually like what Forrest Gump said, its "a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get." It doesn't always turn out the way we want it to, hate to break it to you. HMG said it best, Malin " screwed up, he's gone no point bitching about it. The IRS wont give the late fine back just because you whine at them." Besides, the fact is, this is Penciljacks forum and it is a courtesy, so if you don't like it take a hike to another one of numerous art forums on the net. Bye now.;mrt;

[dfbovey]

"Bovey warned Malin about verbalizing his intentions to beat Piers in a fair draw off, again the point of a draw off if to beat your opponent, telling them you plan to beat them isn't "warnable" material. "

I told both parties to keep the personal attacks out of the draw-off because I was tired of hearing the crap. Draw-offs are not there to settle personal grudges. They are supposed to be there for friendly competition. That kind of crap needs to be resolved through E-mail or private messages. Myself and other mods requested that Jon handle his grudge privately, but that was ignored. In fact, when warned, he turned up the voltage!

[razz007]

sir NotMalin you need to seriouly think about getting a life. This is simply only a message board which they are many of. This not the society of Mason's nor any ultra important life changing groups. I'm not taking sides since I don't know adam from apples in this issue but one thing I know is you're getting to be annoying. If you believe it to be a consipiracy to undermine the art community by banning your bud then lets all agree that it is. ow you can go obsess over something else. as to mr malin who knows I might've liked him and maybe even have been outraged that he was banned, on the other hand you I would ban if this was my message board. just let it go, If you disagree so earnestly for what PJ did and believe it so unfair why are you a member and why visit this message board or is it that your the Jon Malin police and any time anything even slightly derogatory is being sad about Mr Malin you must defend him.. It seems thats the only time you ever post. Its good to stick up for friends but this is a bit ridiculous and annoying and would have disowned you along time ago. Stick up for your bud for something important, have his back in a bar room brawl, spot him a $20 when he needs it.
this thread was just a simple question aboiut what the issue was not a court hearing. we got the jest thats all we wanted, wwe didn't want your whining.
After all this is PJ's msg board so I would assume he can do what ever he sees fit with his msg board. You may not like that but thats what it is. You may say he's biased but then SO WHAT its not the end of the f**king world. this is not the only msg board out there. you may or may not like what I say but then you can kiss my hairy ass

raz

[Phil Clark]

This is not your house, or my house it is Terry's house. He makes the rules, and we all play by them. Anyone that doesn't like it is welcome to go elsewhere, or to buy a copy of the board software and run a discussion forum on their own domain.

Malin was banned. Agree, disagree or don't care, he was banned. It is a done issue, not open for renegotiation or discussion. Anyone who wants him back can type till their fingers are raw, and nothing will change. He is still banned.

Now, since Fig started this thread, and is begging for it to be closed. I will close this thread.

If you must continue this pointless rant, do it in a new thread.