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Kaligula
09-19-2002, 06:36 AM
Here's a NY Times Article you guys might find interesting.


Nu Shortcuts in School R 2 Much 4 Teachers
By JENNIFER 8. LEE


Each September Jacqueline Harding prepares a classroom presentation on the common writing mistakes she sees in her students' work.

Ms. Harding, an eighth-grade English teacher at Viking Middle School in Guernee, Ill., scribbles the words that have plagued generations of schoolchildren across her whiteboard:

There. Their. They're.

Your. You're.

To. Too. Two.

Its. It's.

This September, she has added a new list: u, r, ur, b4, wuz, cuz, 2.

When she asked her students how many of them used shortcuts like these in their writing, Ms. Harding said, she was not surprised when most of them raised their hands. This, after all, is their online lingua franca: English adapted for the spitfire conversational style of Internet instant messaging.

Ms. Harding, who has seen such shortcuts creep into student papers over the last two years, said she gave her students a warning: "If I see this in your assignments, I will take points off."

"Kids should know the difference," said Ms. Harding, who decided to address this issue head-on this year. "They should know where to draw the line between formal writing and conversational writing."

As more and more teenagers socialize online, middle school and high school teachers like Ms. Harding are increasingly seeing a breezy form of Internet English jump from e-mail into schoolwork. To their dismay, teachers say that papers are being written with shortened words, improper capitalization and punctuation, and characters like &, $ and @.

Teachers have deducted points, drawn red circles and tsk-tsked at their classes. Yet the errant forms continue. "It stops being funny after you repeat yourself a couple of times," Ms. Harding said.

But teenagers, whose social life can rely as much these days on text communication as the spoken word, say that they use instant-messaging shorthand without thinking about it. They write to one another as much as they write in school, or more.

"You are so used to abbreviating things, you just start doing it unconsciously on schoolwork and reports and other things," said Eve Brecker, 15, a student at Montclair High School in New Jersey.

Ms. Brecker once handed in a midterm exam riddled with instant-messaging shorthand. "I had an hour to write an essay on Romeo and Juliet," she said. "I just wanted to finish before my time was up. I was writing fast and carelessly. I spelled `you' `u.' " She got a C.

Even terms that cannot be expressed verbally are making their way into papers. Melanie Weaver was stunned by some of the term papers she received from a 10th-grade class she recently taught as part of an internship. "They would be trying to make a point in a paper, they would put a smiley face in the end," said Ms. Weaver, who teaches at Alvernia College in Reading, Pa. "If they were presenting an argument and they needed to present an opposite view, they would put a frown."

As Trisha Fogarty, a sixth-grade teacher at Houlton Southside School in Houlton, Maine, puts it, today's students are "Generation Text."

Almost 60 percent of the online population under age 17 uses instant messaging, according to Nielsen / NetRatings. In addition to cellphone text messaging, Weblogs and e-mail, it has become a popular means of flirting, setting up dates, asking for help with homework and keeping in contact with distant friends. The abbreviations are a natural outgrowth of this rapid-fire style of communication.

"They have a social life that centers around typed communication," said Judith S. Donath, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Media Lab who has studied electronic communication. "They have a writing style that has been nurtured in a teenage social milieu."

Some teachers see the creeping abbreviations as part of a continuing assault of technology on formal written English. Others take it more lightly, saying that it is just part of the larger arc of language evolution.

"To them it's not wrong," said Ms. Harding, who is 28. "It's acceptable because it's in their culture. It's hard enough to teach them the art of formal writing. Now we've got to overcome this new instant-messaging language."

Ms. Harding noted that in some cases the shorthand isn't even shorter. "I understand `cuz,' but what's with the `wuz'? It's the same amount of letters as `was,' so what's the point?" she said.

Deborah Bova, who teaches eighth-grade English at Raymond Park Middle School in Indianapolis, thought her eyesight was failing several years ago when she saw the sentence "B4 we perform, ppl have 2 practice" on a student assignment.

"I thought, `My God, what is this?' " Ms. Bova said. "Have they lost their minds?"

The student was summoned to the board to translate the sentence into standard English: "Before we perform, people have to practice." She realized that the students thought she was out of touch. "It was like `Get with it, Bova,' " she said.

Ms. Bova had a student type up a reference list of translations for common instant-messaging expressions. She posted a copy on the bulletin board by her desk and took another one home to use while grading.

Students are sometimes unrepentant.

"They were astonished when I began to point these things out to them," said Henry Assetto, a social studies teacher at Twin Valley High School in Elverson, Pa. "Because I am a history teacher, they did not think a history teacher would be checking up on their grammar or their spelling," said Mr. Assetto, who has been teaching for 34 years.

But Montana Hodgen, 16, another Montclair student, said she was so accustomed to instant-messaging abbreviations that she often read right past them. She proofread a paper last year only to get it returned with the messaging abbreviations circled in red.

"I was so used to reading what my friends wrote to me on Instant Messenger that I didn't even realize that there was something wrong," she said. She said her ability to separate formal and informal English declined the more she used instant messages. "Three years ago, if I had seen that, I would have been `What is that?' "

The spelling checker doesn't always help either, students say. For one, Microsoft Word's squiggly red spell-check lines don't appear beneath single letters and numbers such as u, r, c, 2 and 4. Nor do they catch words which have numbers in them such as "l8r" and "b4" by default.

Teenagers have essentially developed an unconscious "accent" in their typing, Professor Donath said. "They have gotten facile at typing and they are not paying attention."

Teenagers have long pushed the boundaries of spoken language, introducing words that then become passé with adult adoption. Now teenagers are taking charge and pushing the boundaries of written language. For them, expressions like "oic" (oh I see), "nm" (not much), "jk" (just kidding) and "lol" (laughing out loud), "brb" (be right back), "ttyl" (talk to you later) are as standard as conventional English.

"There is no official English language," said Jesse Sheidlower, the North American editor of the Oxford English Dictionary. "Language is spread not because not anyone dictates any one thing to happen. The decisions are made by the language and the people who use the language."

Some teachers find the new writing style alarming. "First of all, it's very rude, and it's very careless," said Lois Moran, a middle school English teacher at St. Nicholas School in Jersey City.

"They should be careful to write properly and not to put these little codes in that they are in such a habit of writing to each other," said Ms. Moran, who has lectured her eighth-grade class on such mistakes.

Others say that the instant-messaging style might simply be a fad, something that students will grow out of. Or they see it as an opportunity to teach students about the evolution of language.

"I turn it into a very positive teachable moment for kids in the class," said Erika V. Karres, an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who trains student teachers. She shows students how English has evolved since Shakespeare's time. "Imagine Langston Hughes's writing in quick texting instead of `Langston writing,' " she said. "It makes teaching and learning so exciting."

Other teachers encourage students to use messaging shorthand to spark their thinking processes. "When my children are writing first drafts, I don't care how they spell anything, as long as they are writing," said Ms. Fogarty, the sixth-grade teacher from Houlton, Maine. "If this lingo gets their thoughts and ideas onto paper quicker, the more power to them." But during editing and revising, she expects her students to switch to standard English.

Ms. Bova shares the view that instant-messaging language can help free up their creativity. With the help of students, she does not even need the cheat sheet to read the shorthand anymore.

"I think it's a plus," she said. "And I would say that with a + sign."

The unknown artist
09-19-2002, 06:47 AM
That's hilarious.

Free up creativity my ass.

Hope they don't threy that when they get out of school. Their bosses'll be sedning them memos that say.

u r fired.

dmario
09-19-2002, 07:55 AM
man my handwritig has suffered due to the internet and computers.

sometimes I actually DO write internet slang...

yikes...

dfbovey
09-19-2002, 08:05 AM
I was looking at a few resumes yesterday and someone actually wrote Thx instead of thank you in their cover letter. How brainless can you be? Instantly went into the trash.

Amanda_Robbins
09-19-2002, 08:05 AM
That's ridiculous. The teachers who are all for that kind of drivel must be public high school teachers in Florida :P Typing like that is just a matter of being lazy, or trying to be cool- and being a teacher who accepts that crap makes you irresponsible as well as contributing to the detorioration of the English language.

Either way it's a useless practice, and on those rare occassions when I do chat online I ignore people who talk like that.

Let those middle school and even high school kids try that BS in their college entrance exams and application essays. They'll be asking "do u want fries w/that" for the rest of their life.

I can see their point about the evolution of the English language, but I really think going down the road of AOL 133+ sp34k and cool speak is NOT the way to go.

All in my own opinion anyways.

Y2Jenn
09-19-2002, 08:07 AM
This is entertaining. I came across a letter that my 15 year old sis was writing to a friend in school. I've never seen so many u's, r's and wuz's. Rediculous, I tell you! Personally I haven't seen much change in my handwriting and whatnot because of the net.

I do think the smilies are takin' over though. :D

HMG
09-19-2002, 08:46 AM
To my recollection I have never used internet slang. I'm too old and too er...square (is there a more modern version of square?).

Not quite the same thing but I have noticed that some Ebonics have started to slip into my speech though ( mostly insults).

jacon
09-19-2002, 09:18 AM
i may not type the best, but i would never way that way... i take pride in my handwriting. :D

Pep
09-19-2002, 09:22 AM
I still think there is and should be a difference between written English and spoken English...and written spoken English. ;)
I too think my English has degenerated from spending too much time on the internet.

Devilman
09-19-2002, 10:04 AM
yuo ar3 4 n00b, i ar3 l33tx0r!

Mase
09-19-2002, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Devilman
yuo ar3 4 n00b, i ar3 l33tx0r!

ROFLMAO!

jacon
09-19-2002, 12:26 PM
huh?
see i hardly get all this internet lingo shiznit

thespian
09-19-2002, 02:50 PM
Hey it's not just the internet. Like was mentioned in the article and HMG said, ebonic is also a huge contributor to the "evolution" of the language. The one teacher didn't understand why the kids were using "wuz" instead of "was". That has less to do with the internet and more to do with rappers.

Did you see the way Nelly spelled the title of his new song? It's spelled "Hot in herre".

.... I don't know. Just to be different? It's just stupid to me.

Tory
09-19-2002, 03:22 PM
I see that stuff everyday, it has slipped into my writing a bit. i remember last year a teacher b*tched at me because i wrout "ur" instead of "your" on my homework. It just sorta slips in when your trying to finish an assignment 2 secondes before your teacher collects it.:rolleyes: Anyway these damn smilies are anoyying me! I keep almost ending my sentences with them in english :eek: :D <----see!!!! AGH!!!

Steampunk
09-19-2002, 05:31 PM
man...i'm certainly guilty of using smilies...after getting used to the emotion/inflections that they can add to words or sentences, i tend to write them in notes to family, cards to friends, etc...

other than school work, i don't do any writing, but i can understand using a shorthand for taking notes...i just don't find writing "u" to be much faster than "you"...

anyways, my biggest pet peeve EVER is my buddy's ex'girlfriend's use of the phrase "how r u"....urge to kill, rising...rising...falling...RISING!!!

but yeah, i use smilies even when emailing instructors and TA's (depending on my relationship with them, some are really easy going, so i don't get all formal with stuff like emails)

i would NEVER (even if i did use that internet slang) hand in an essay with ur or something in it :P

Spidey
09-19-2002, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by thespian
The one teacher didn't understand why the kids were using "wuz" instead of "was". That has less to do with the internet and more to do with rappers.

Yeah they think that ineternet lingo's soul purpose is to shorten words for faster typing, but its not, its simply slang. Just like
ebonincs which can extend a word.

I dont feel my grammar is affected by IMers at all, I got too used to writing normal after 12 years of school.

DrVictorVonDoom
09-19-2002, 07:11 PM
...But not enough to avoid grammer mistakes.

That article is hilarious. Kids today!:p

danimation2001
09-19-2002, 07:23 PM
These kids are so ****ing retarded and pathetic at the same time.

I don't do any this shit and I grew up on a computer.

Devilman
09-19-2002, 08:29 PM
teh in4rn3t si n0-t b4d fro yuo, yuo arr just l4mx0r. Aye ownz aLL fo youo!!! My l33t h4x0rizationign skillz kill d3ep se4 fish woh ar3 mindnig thir own bizness! But aye dotn car3, cuz i am l33t and joo ar3 n0t.

bushiboy
09-20-2002, 12:24 AM
Thing is, John really talks like that.

muthmaniac
09-20-2002, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by Devilman
teh in4rn3t si n0-t b4d fro yuo, yuo arr just l4mx0r. Aye ownz aLL fo youo!!! My l33t h4x0rizationign skillz kill d3ep se4 fish woh ar3 mindnig thir own bizness! But aye dotn car3, cuz i am l33t and joo ar3 n0t.

You will probably be the first person to get a Master's Degree in l33t 5p34k. :)

Overall, I feel that my writing has actually gotten better with my being on the internet, with the previous sentence being the exception. Mostly because I want to make sure my messages are clear to understand, and that I don't come off looking like a freak or imbecile.

I definitely think that English/Writing classes ought to cover this new way of writing. I don't think that it ought to be encouraged, but at least pointed out to kids on how they are changing the language. Whether for better or worse, remains to be seen, I think.

As an aside, it's funny to go through a thread on how the internet is screwing up our English, and read/see all the different spelling and grammatic errors. But, that's how it always tends to work, and I'm sure this message won't be an exception. :)

Kaligula
09-20-2002, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by Spidey


Yeah they think that ineternet lingo's soul purpose is to shorten words for faster typing, but its not, its simply slang. Just like
ebonincs which can extend a word.

I dont feel my grammar is affected by IMers at all, I got too used to writing normal after 12 years of school.

Damn man. You're shooting yourself in the foot. ;)

Spidey
09-20-2002, 03:00 PM
What? Youe sarcasm-sense wasnt tingling?

Joel Harris
09-20-2002, 05:27 PM
That has always annoyed the hell out of me ("u r", etc). Really. Pisses me off. :mad: Although, I do have to say, my handwriting sucks now too, because I'm just not used to actually writing.... when I do write now, I get impatient at how long it takes (silly, yes). And ... I have used little acronyms that my fiance and I had developed just between the two of us... which is great, because it's like we have our own little code when we want to annoy people.

jacon
09-22-2002, 02:46 PM
my supervisor at work sign his little handouts at work:

Thx, Tom Bier


i think "Thx" is dumb! there is no letter in there to make the "n" sound "thnx" might be okay, but i dunno... it just gets to me :rolleyes:

Iron Duck 2
09-25-2002, 11:45 AM
Once upon a time, way back when, students used to take classes in shorthand to learn how to write faster. This was like an entirely different language.

Now, there's a system of abbreviations that' s intuitive and automatic to the people who have grown up with it. And how is that a bad thing...?

I agree that elite text (or "quick texting" or whatever) has no place on a formal, written paper, but for taking notes and stuff...no problem.

And another thing: these old fogies often knock the internet for contributing to the decline of literacy. BUT, consider this:
1) These AOL kiddies communicate by text far more often than the previous generation (or any other generation that fell between the invention of the telephone and the rise of home computing); and
2) IMs or no, they type a whole lot faster than I did when I was that age. :D