Question On Etiquette

[Lucidique]

If person A posts their work, is it right or wrong for person B to take person A's work, modify to their liking to prove a point, and post it back person A's thread? Should person B have asked first?

Since this is a question about etiquette, what way could person B best convey their opinions tactfully? PM, e-mail, describing their opinion in person A's thread, ect.

[Beastie]

I wouldn't have a problem with that.

In fact, I've had people help me out by suggesting backbrounds and adding them with photoshop.

DfBovey has done this with me and I've seen other artists do it.

I've never seen anyone get annoyed by having that kind of feedback.

If you respect the person giving you teh advice, it's easier to take.
I guess thats what it boils down to.

:)

[Exiter]

thats perfectly acceptable


If i had more time i would be doing the same thing. Sometimes you can accomplish more with a visual aid to show what you're trying to express instead of just trying to explain it

[dfbovey]

Sometimes a written critique just doesn't get the point across like a visual aid does. I've had Loston and Robin Riggs give me a couple visual aids in their critiques and I found it really helpful. More so than a verbal critique anyway.

I've also done it a couple times. I think most people appreciate it :)

[Devilman]

proper, and your taking the time to do it should be greatly appreciated, unless your critique was something like "there aren't enough naughty tenticles in this Captain America pic", and you go ahead and submit THAT drawn pic.

[Lucidique]

Just checking. In most cases, I would find it helpful, but in those rare few, it can be insulting. Thanx for the input.

[PencilVillian]

I think it's great since a lot of times things just can't be demonstrated in words. Most of us are visual learners anyways. I can't remember ever seeing someone post a visual critique and have it not be helpful. The people that do take the time to do that really have a sight for what they're trying to show.

Now if you were to say if someone posted their own art in anothers thread without their permission then yes that IS terrible etiquette, they can just post their own thread. So I'm assuming this happened to you or a friend somewhere?

[bushiboy]

I say do it. I've done it, had it done to me, I liked it.
Wait, what are we talking about?

[Mike]

Well, it's like in art classes when the teacher comes up and just draws all over your art. It can seem pretty insulting at first (and every subsequent time after), but it may be the only way you'll see what's wrong.

[Inkthinker]

The Art Director here at the studio does the same thing... makes me want to strangle him, but I understand that it's faster for him to make corrections than to try and explain how I need to adjust the existing material.

[FIG]

............on the situation. I have seen that happen on other forums and people in general think of it as a very helpful critique. I wouldn't have a problem with someone downloading my work, sketching over it to get there crit across, and then posting it on my thread. However if someone downloaded my work, traced it and then just changed something small and called it their own thats another matter. Thems fighting words!

[Krosis]

Originally posted by Lucidique
If person A posts their work, is it right or wrong for person B to take person A's work, modify to their liking to prove a point, and post it back person A's thread? Should person B have asked first?

I just did exactly that in a recent response critiquing Joel_Herrera's spiderman. see below if curious.. if not.. smeg off! ;)

http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=18901&perpage=10&pagenumber=1

-cheers

[Bruce Lee]

I have to address this, as I'm the guy who's done most of these photoshop "overlays" in question. I'm your huckleberry. I'm a guilty! Slap the cuffs on me and drag me off to Crayola court. :)

So should I ask first before doing one of these overlays? Well, to be honest, I usually only provide overlays to Penciljackers that I feel I have a report with. If I'm unfamiliar with someone, I would certainly think asking first would be the appropriate thing to do. Seems the proper etiquette to me.

So far, I think every single person I've done an "overlay" for has been appreciative of the extra time and energy I've spent trying to offer them an assist. Not once have I ever gotten a complaint that I've overstepped my bounds. Most of the time, I don't even post the "overlays" I do, I PM them directly to the PJer. I only post them on a thread if I think there's a reason to share the information with others.

Loston
http://www.lostonwallace.com

[Inkthinker]

Ah'm yuh Huckleberreh... an' yew ain't no daisy a-tall.

:D

[Terminator X]

if you take a Kubert school correspondence class, they will put a piece of tracing paper over your original work and show you way that this or that would look better. so, i dont think theres anything wrong with it.

[Pep]

Originally posted by wallychamp
Well, it's like in art classes when the teacher comes up and just draws all over your art. It can seem pretty insulting at first (and every subsequent time after), but it may be the only way you'll see what's wrong.

but in this case you still have your original art left! how very quaint. i'm all for it. It's probably the best way to convey a commentary visually. within ethical limits. I wouldn't agrre that if person a posts a pic of wonderwoman, person b adds breasts the size of jupiter, then that's just person b being a stupid arse.